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Lana
Yes, I'm being a bit silly with the title, it's mostly because I can't think of anything stick out tongue

But this'll be the official off-topic thread for the VG Vs forum. All the random chatter and stuff like that, as well as comments and questions that relate to the forum but would be off-topic to ask about in other threads, will go in here.

Keep in mind that the regular KMC rules apply here. Bashing, personal attacks, and spamming will not be allowed!

shin_remy
yeah first poster big grin

i'm curious how this topic will go.

i think many members will post here, or not...

i wanted to give people my opionion about tiers of the biggest fighting games

1. Darkstalkers
2. Mortal Kombat
3. Samurai Showdown
4. King of Fighters/Street fighter/Guilty Gear
5. Dead or Alive/ Tekken/ Soul Calibur

BlaxicanHydra
They had better start!

Good job, Lana.

Lazy MFer
Shin Remy, Nice avitar

BlaxicanHydra, nice sig!

I thought this day would never come...an off topic thread!

grey fox
Originally posted by Lana
Yes, I'm being a bit silly with the title, it's mostly because I can't think of anything stick out tongue

But this'll be the official off-topic thread for the VG Vs forum. All the random chatter and stuff like that, as well as comments and questions that relate to the forum but would be off-topic to ask about in other threads, will go in here.

Keep in mind that the regular KMC rules apply here. Bashing, personal attacks, and spamming will not be allowed!

OH EM GEE

Lana , being Merciful eek!

It seems the leopard can change it's shorts shifty

Burning thought
Kain pwns all!!

grey fox
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain pwns all!!

Pffft.

Kains good , I'll give you that. But Hellsing Alucard could PWN him like no tomorrow.

Anyway , anyone ever thought of how impractical Sephiroths Masasume really is, must be a ***** to sheathe the thing , let alone carry it on ceremonial purposes.

Sandai Kitetsu
Kain seems to have immoratlity on par with alucard.

grey fox
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Kain seems to have immoratlity on par with alucard.

laughing

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by grey fox
laughing
According to is fans.

FortressXRuler
Sandai, remember the 2-year old thing?

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Sandai, remember the 2-year old thing?

?

FortressXRuler
the 2-year old post I made in the Ayane v.s. Sagat thread?

DarkC
I'm thinking of making an Evil Ryu vs someone from the Tekken world. Maybe Heihatchi or Evil Kazuya.

If it sounds like a good match I'll write a badass intro for it.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
the 2-year old post I made in the Ayane v.s. Sagat thread?
Yeah, what about it?

FortressXRuler
I now remember it, it's actually a 5-year old.

And also, when someone is corrupted by SE, do they look exactly like Nightmare?

DarkC
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
I now remember it, it's actually a 5-year old.

And also, when someone is corrupted by SE, do they look exactly like Nightmare?
Not exactly.

It corrupts the soul and the flesh housing it but not in a specific or predictable manner.

I'm not sure but I think Cervantes uses the Soul Edge version of his weapons by default and we all know what he looks like.

FortressXRuler
So, if someone wears a:
DKNY skull black t-shirt
A light Ed Hardy hoodie over the t-shirt
A sporting blazer over the hoodie
A pair of Ecko brand jeans
And a pair of Jordans(I am not trying to advertise anything)
While being corrupted by SE, would they sport an evil version of it?

Lazy MFer
What about a Digimon VS Pokemon thread?!

FortressXRuler
They're anime characters, but Digimon have those digital monsters popping out of the wazoo, and they've got powers that are ridicolous, so they win.

Sandai Kitetsu
Mega kabuterimon destroyed a planet once.

BlaxicanHydra
He was my favourite Digimon.

Lazy MFer
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
They're anime characters, but Digimon have those digital monsters popping out of the wazoo, and they've got powers that are ridicolous, so they win. Digimon started off as those Tamagachi like games before they where an anime.

Black WarGreymon was my fav.

He had that move called the Terra Destroyer, cool name.

FortressXRuler
what are some of the freakiest names you've heard that sound cool?

Superboy Prime
I love you Lana!

YAY@Off Topic thrad

FortressXRuler
I've heard Benihime, Shiran E' Zoamelgustarv, Thanatos, and Zeyphrona.

Superboy Prime
Originally posted by grey fox
Pffft.

Kains good , I'll give you that. But Hellsing Alucard could PWN him like no tomorrow.

Anyway , anyone ever thought of how impractical Sephiroths Masasume really is, must be a ***** to sheathe the thing , let alone carry it on ceremonial purposes.

As impractical as Sephiroth's Masamune is...Kadaj's dual katana is even worst.

FortressXRuler
Who's Kadaj?

Superboy Prime
A remnant of Sephiroth. His first and only appearance was in Advent Children.

http://www.shimmerwing.com/Images/Cosplay/kadajref.jpg

FortressXRuler
He looks like a young Seph, with a fugly name.

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Lazy MFer
Digimon started off as those Tamagachi like games before they where an anime.

Black WarGreymon was my fav.

He had that move called the Terra Destroyer, cool name. And he died!Happy Dance My favorite Digimon was always Myotismon, including other digivolutions of him.

Tha C-Master
My first official post mortals. smile

Violent2Dope
You are all foolish mortals in Ganondorf's eyes.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Lana
Yes, I'm being a bit silly with the title, it's mostly because I can't think of anything stick out tongue

But this'll be the official off-topic thread for the VG Vs forum. All the random chatter and stuff like that, as well as comments and questions that relate to the forum but would be off-topic to ask about in other threads, will go in here.

Keep in mind that the regular KMC rules apply here. Bashing, personal attacks, and spamming will not be allowed!
Thank you.

judgement hand
It's like Israel

~the nazi hating hand of judgement

grey fox
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
And he died!Happy Dance My favorite Digimon was always Myotismon, including other digivolutions of him.

Myotismon was a badass cool

Violent2Dope
Myotismon, Venom Myotismon, Malo Myotismon, Piedmon, and Devimon were all badasses.

FortressXRuler
They're were way too many Digimon to vote on.

shin_remy
i think we also should look to uncanon feats

cause then we will see their true capabilities without game restriction

FortressXRuler
You said that already.

Lana
And I answered that waaaaaaaaay back in the suggestion thread. Like, around page 3-4, I think.

Reading is helpful ermm

And Digimon was awesome. Though the manga pre-dates the games by a small amount...plus tamagotchi-type things do not count as video games stick out tongue

FortressXRuler
Do you know about Bleach?

Lana
Hate it.

FortressXRuler
Why? I love it!

Lana
Just doesn't interest me at all.

I like anime a lot, but I don't watch it nearly as much as I used to. Doesn't help that nothing has been released in the US in the past few years that I've liked.

Frankly, I think Naruto should be wiped off the face of the earth ermm

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by Lana

Frankly, I think Naruto should be wiped off the face of the earth ermm

co-signed

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Do you know about Bleach?

I read the manga, it's not bad.

FortressXRuler
Volumes 11-21 are really bloody.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Volumes 11-21 are really bloody.
Pfft, shonen anime is kids stuff when it comes to gore.
2HXuPXu8Z3U

FortressXRuler
That was soooooo bloody, it brought me to tears. The blood was so beautiful. What show is that?

Sandai Kitetsu
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni

That little girl was tough, she refused to cry to the end.

FortressXRuler
Blood.....

Guilty Gear
dUfNDdICafA

grey fox
Originally posted by Lana
Just doesn't interest me at all.

I like anime a lot, but I don't watch it nearly as much as I used to. Doesn't help that nothing has been released in the US in the past few years that I've liked.

Frankly, I think Naruto should be wiped off the face of the earth ermm

Naruto isn't TOO bad, the fandom get's out of control but it's not the worst anime. The dub however is disgustingly bad.

FortressXRuler
Originally posted by Guilty Gear
dUfNDdICafA

The NT exibition is funny. He looks like NM on steroids getting into a fight with the air.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by grey fox
Naruto isn't TOO bad, the fandom get's out of control but it's not the worst anime. The dub however is disgustingly bad.

My biggest problem with naruto is the fact that the story has gone downhill post chunin exam.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Lana
Hate it.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Lana
Frankly, I think Naruto should be wiped off the face of the earth ermm
Agreed.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
My biggest problem with naruto is the fact that the story has gone downhill post chunin exam.
I didn't find it too riveting to begin with, but I definitely agree with you here.

Guilty Gear
Yo1zwDSKxCE

StyleTime
I rather dislike Marduk's long hair and his voice.

Sandai Kitetsu
Marduk is favorite tekken character.

FortressXRuler
Marduk looks like a f@G in that vid.

Guilty Gear
Lol, his voice in that video is different that what it actually is. I think the site where the person downloaded it from changed it on purpose. I laughed my head off after I watched it.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Lol, his voice in that video is different that what it actually is. I think the site where the person downloaded it from changed it on purpose. I laughed my head off after I watched it.
No, I mean I don't like his normal voice.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Marduk is my favorite tekken character.
*Snicker* *Muffled giggle*

FortressXRuler
Marduks a crackhead. Sergei Dragunov will snap his neck.

Sandai Kitetsu
Marduk is my type of guy, I wish I was built like that.

FortressXRuler
He's a crackhead.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
He's a crackhead.

I read you the first time, mane.

FortressXRuler
Goofy v.s. Donald?

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Goofy v.s. Donald? hxw-f9ywORc

Exodia wins!!

FortressXRuler
Jedah, KOSMOS, and Pyron send that ***** straight to hell.

Sandai Kitetsu
-8OWzP65mQ4


ZABUZA'S SWORD CAN'T BE BEAT!!

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Jedah, KOSMOS, and Pyron send that ***** straight to hell.

Nope, Exodia cannot be beat, he stalemated Zabuza's sword!!!

FortressXRuler
Jedah, KOSMOS, and Pyron will destroy him, and Zabuza's sword.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Jedah, KOSMOS, and Pyron will destroy him, and Zabuza's sword. Nope, Exodia wipes out godz!!!

FortressXRuler
Shiran E' Zoamelgustarv wipes out galaxies!

Lana
Originally posted by grey fox
Naruto isn't TOO bad, the fandom get's out of control but it's not the worst anime. The dub however is disgustingly bad.

I know how much the fandom can get out of control probably much better than anyone else on here ermm

Tha C-Master
You should see some of the Wolverine ones. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/ermm.gif

Sandai Kitetsu
Hulk fans are still the worst in my opinion.

BlaxicanHydra
pfffft. Hulk is the most underrated character on the Comic boards.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
pfffft. Hulk is the most underrated character on the Comic boards.
Surfer is the most overrated.

BlaxicanHydra
What? he's actually good, though. I mean, the Surfer can take out maybe 95% of the characters in both Marvel AND DC. I think the Hulk can take out much more people too but he jobs to pretty much anyone.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
What? he's actually good, though. I mean, the Surfer can take out maybe 95%
That's a bit too much, I admitt he could take out the earth forces of marvel anway. But, 95% of the entire MU?

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I think the Hulk can take out much more people too but he jobs to pretty much anyone.
*Cough* Sentry

BlaxicanHydra
Meh, I'm actually glad WWH is going on, right now. It's about time the man has some high-end feats.

Swe_Bum
Intresting... a off-toppic thread ninja

grey fox
Originally posted by StyleTime
Agreed.

Agreed.

I didn't find it too riveting to begin with, but I definitely agree with you here.

True , I do find some of the concepts kinda nice.

Plus the sealing demons thing has a novelty too it, I once had the idea of Sasuke having Godzilla sealed in him , due to the Kyubbi attracting giant monsters, as all Kaiju generally do....

BlaxicanHydra
Sasuke's an emo *****, though, so I don't see how it's cool.

no expression

Violent2Dope
Sasuke is a gay f@g who after getting a hickey from a long tounged Michael Jackson left the village with him, meanwhile obsessing about his nail polish wearing brother. The only person gayer than him is Orochimaru, think about it, he's the only person in the history of anything to have two penis' and one vagina in his life.

FortressXRuler
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS MAN I NEEDED THE LAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superboy Prime
I'm loving the new hate DOA trend. I want in dur!

BlaxicanHydra
Don't *****.

<.<


>.>

I don't pay you to *****.

Guilty Gear
dUfNDdICafA

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Will there ever be another Darkstalkers game? great characters, story and power level...shame 2d ain't popular anymore.

I doubt it since one of Capcom's a major producer named Noritaka Funiizu retired to form his own game company. Funiizu, single handedly wrote the plot for Vampire Savior by himself and also was the man who maintained the Street Fighter canon. He helped produce Street Fighter 2, Vampire Savior, Rival Schools, and many other capcom classics in the 90's.

Noritaka and a the team that developed Street Fighter 2 left capcom to make their own company called Craft&Meister. It's the company that created Super DragonBall Z. Also, 2-D fighters suck now a days since many of them play like Marvel vs Capcom 2, Guilty Gear, and other hectic fighters like crazy. You'll be hard pressed to find a tradtional style fighter now a days. Most 2-D fighters are produced by small indy company's or are fan-made. There aren't any real major companies involved with 2-D anymore.

FortressXRuler
Man, wish he can do what he does best again.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Man, wish he can do what he does best again. It's the gamers, not the industry. Many of the gamers now a days do not care about substance. Instead, they would rather play shitty games that looks nice. FPS is the only genre left with serious gamers non scruby gamers.

FortressXRuler
Yeah, but I'm not that much of an FPS gamer, but I also don't like crap games, I'm a serious gamer, but I need freedom when I play a game. But I don't want the freedom to be crappy.

Sandai Kitetsu
Scrubby Fighters like these

Asy7-aFWJEQ

7GactV8uGsU

FortressXRuler
They're so boojie.

Sandai Kitetsu
"Boojie"?

Guilty Gear
LOL @ 4:28 in the second video.

It's also funny when you keep pressing 4:23.

FortressXRuler
Hilarious.

Guilty Gear
I thought that was a FOTN video.

FortressXRuler
Whats FOTN?

Guilty Gear
Fist Of The North. 13jockey

FortressXRuler
Oh, damn, my foolishness is so boogie. But thanks anyway.

Guilty Gear
QXsPH_cRG-s

FortressXRuler
LOL

Guilty Gear
They listen to that song ever day of their lives every minute of the day lol

FortressXRuler
Goofy v.s. Donald KH2 style.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I'm loving the new hate DOA trend. I want in dur!
Yeah. It happens here. A game starts out underrated then people come to respect it followed by an enormous backlash against it. It's the cycle of the video games vs forum. Dead or Alive is on the backlash part right now. Tekken will probably be next. Street Fighter already had it.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. It happens here. A game starts out underrated then people come to respect it followed by an enormous backlash against it. It's the cycle of the video games vs forum. Dead or Alive is on the backlash part right now. Tekken will probably be next. Street Fighter already had it.

Tekken is the most underrated fighter out there, and Soul Calibur will be next. The DOA hate is mostly because of Ayane just like Street Fighter hate was mostly because of Gouki.

judgement hand
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Marduks a crackhead. Sergei Dragunov will snap his neck.

dragunov is my favorite fighting game character

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Tekken is the most underrated fighter out there, and Soul Calibur will be next. The DOA hate is mostly because of Ayane just like Street Fighter hate was mostly because of Gouki. Words can't be truer than this.

grey fox
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Sasuke's an emo *****, though, so I don't see how it's cool.

no expression Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Sasuke is a gay f@g who after getting a hickey from a long tounged Michael Jackson left the village with him, meanwhile obsessing about his nail polish wearing brother. The only person gayer than him is Orochimaru, think about it, he's the only person in the history of anything to have two penis' and one vagina in his life.

Yeah but in MY variation he wouldn't be such a f*cking Emo pussy.

Superboy Prime
...

FortressXRuler
Heh, heh,
Grimmjow Jaggerjack kills Sasuke for being emo!

grey fox
Pretty good Saddler tribute with a band called 'Blind Guardian', they sound a little scream but have quite a few nice pieces embedded lyrically and chorus.....y.

Violent2Dope
I hate screamo, don't anger me.

grey fox
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I hate screamo, don't anger me.

Nah ,aint screamo , guy just kinda does a 'slipknot esq' voice. Kind of a hoarse shout. But just listen for yourselves and be the judge.

JmJUrUg3g4Q

FortressXRuler
Resident Evil 4 is very gross.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Tekken is the most underrated fighter out there, and Soul Calibur will be next. The DOA hate is mostly because of Ayane just like Street Fighter hate was mostly because of Gouki.
...So you agree with me.

The only difference is I see Tekken as more likely to be next. Soul Caliber is overdue though.

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Surfer is the most overrated. Superman is by far more overrated. He has way more fans than Surfer so it makes sense.

BlaxicanHydra
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I don't masturbate to porn, I prefer reading fan fictions. In fan fictions the women are always perfect.

Just throwin that out there.

Sandai Kitetsu
What's wrong with porn. . .I mean what's wrong with the porn you watch?

BlaxicanHydra
The chicks are ugly, and most of the time porn always looks the same. At least in fan fictions something interesting happens, and it's always free.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
The chicks are ugly, and most of the time porn always looks the same. At least in fan fictions something interesting happens, and it's always free.

"The Chicks are ugly" - For the most part yeah, but there are some exceptions. Check out Shoko Goto and Alice Ogura. Japanese AV stars, they are prettty cute.

"Nothing intresting happens" which is why I watch hentai.

BlaxicanHydra
Henati's expensive, and rape isn't fun to watch.

Also, I don't think this is appropiate to type about...

StyleTime
Edit. You answered me before I even posted.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Henati's expensive, and rape isn't fun to watch.

Also, I don't think this is appropiate to type about...

You have the internet, but anime is expensive with MSRP. The problem with rape in hentai is that it's hard to differentiaite between consential and non-consential sex in hentai. The females react the exact sameways, I gave up.

StyleTime
Moved to proper thread.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Style time your gender says female?
Indeed.
Originally posted by Guilty Gear
I'm pretty sure StyleTime's gender used to say male.
Did it?

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Yeah...StyleTime once said he wanted to "destroy" Ayane's ass.
A girl can't want to do that?
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I'm still not convinced. Once V2D is online I will have him nutgrab, Volgin style, Ashtar for confirmation.
laughing

Sandai Kitetsu
I'm not girl, how can I be a girl while styletime be confused for a boy!!!! mad

Superboy Prime
I just sent the PM to V2D. He better live up to his reputation!

Sandai Kitetsu
No, not my Dragonball Z's

Sandai Kitetsu
I honestly couldn't tell because I was under the impression that females couldn't talk about intrest things. ( Yeah, it's sexist, wanna fight about it?)

Styletime does not fit that bill.

Superboy Prime
The following PM has been sent to Violent2Dope:

You are now entrusted with the important task of the confirmation of Emo Emu Ashtar's gender with the almighty Volgin nutgrab. Be warned that failure to complete this mission will be punished with a battlefield removal into Shin Remy's realm where SF reigns supreme and Gouki destroys multiverses for fun.

Failure is not an option.

Sandai Kitetsu
I'm insecure in my manhood unfortunately. (No homo implications)

BlaxicanHydra
Kinky.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Kinky.

What's kinky?

BlaxicanHydra
The Volgin nutgrab.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I'm not girl, how can I be a girl while styletime be confused for a boy!!!! mad
I think people fail to take notice of the fact that my signature, avatar, and corresponding info follow a certain theme. The info provided there isn't necessarily indicative of me.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I honestly couldn't tell because I was under the impression that females couldn't talk about intrest things. ( Yeah, it's sexist, wanna fight about it?)

Styletime does not fit that bill.
laughing
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The following PM has been sent to Violent2Dope:

You are now entrusted with the important task of the confirmation of Emo Emu Ashtar's gender with the almighty Volgin nutgrab. Be warned that failure to complete this mission will be punished with a battlefield removal into Shin Remy's realm where SF reigns supreme and Gouki destroys multiverses for fun.

Failure is not an option.
laughing

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by StyleTime
I think people fail to take notice of the fact that my signature, avatar, and corresponding info follow a certain theme. The info provided there isn't necessarily indicative of me.


Yeah, but the way you post is misleading:

-Knowledge on martial arts
-Like Doa girls
-Okay with girls being called bitches
-Know about hentai

I could go on, your very different from lana. Yet, when I swear like there's no tommorow I'm a girl.

Guilty Gear
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s68/MJOLNIR_VII/EEA.jpg

Sandai Kitetsu
Am I the only one that leaves KMC as original blue.

Superboy Prime
Obviously you haven't gone out on a date with a ***** from the hood, Ashtar.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by Guilty Gear
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s68/MJOLNIR_VII/EEA.jpg

I'm going to kill you using systema.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Obviously you haven't gone out on a date with a ***** from the hood, Ashtar.

I hate ghetto bitches.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Am I the only one that leaves KMC as original blue.
.....it comes in blue?
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yeah, but the way you post is misleading:

-Knowledge on martial arts
-Like Doa girls
-Okay with girls being called bitches
-Know about hentai

I could go on, your very different from lana. Yet, when I swear like there's no tommorow I'm a girl.
True. I think Lana knows about hentai though.

Sandai Kitetsu
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Blade_Trinity_poster.JPG

I'm the one in the middle.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by StyleTime
.....it comes in blue?

Yeah.

StyleTime
Mine has been white ever since I joined. I didn't even know you could change it.

Sandai Kitetsu
Originally posted by StyleTime


True. I think Lana knows about hentai though.

All girls hate hentai. I was under the impression that you had to talk about boring subjects to relate to females (It's sexist, but hey)

StyleTime
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I'm going to kill you using systema.
I forgot to laugh at this.....so

laughing SYSTEMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
All girls hate hentai. I was under the impression that you had to talk about boring subjects to relate to females (It's sexist, but hey)
Quoted for truth.

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