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Actually I had hard time deciding what "hucstuff" would be funnier to start- "Huc" vs Authority or Huc vs Dante. So I had to throw a coin...and the result... well.


Our handsome whitehaired half-demon is tired of hearing and reading on vs forums that Huc is this or Huc is that and wants to show everyone the truth- that "Huc" is just simple onedimensional brick who is unearthly overrated.

All weapons from DMC 1 and DMC 3 for Dante (but no items). All styles from DMC 3 (switches on the fly DMC4-like) DT gauge is partially unlimited (Quicksilver and Sparda form are allowed for 30 seconds each, you can use it again only after 15 minutes recharge).

Quicksilver followed by a Orgy of Dance Macabre's and Helm Breaker's ftw

Or Beowulf Tornado move? It would be nice...

I think that's like 8\10 in Dante's favour. 2 victiories is given to "Huc" jobber aura.

Dante = Nearly Immortal

Hulk = Not

Nice to hear that

Dante has beaten the ruler of Underworld.He wins with ease.

Dante has enough to overcome WWH jobber aura...and that's nice.

Bumped for fun's sake.

dante was pretty badass . . . i didnt play any DMC past the first one and the third was a prequal, so unless he got exponentially stronger in the second one id still have to give nods to huc

Dante at his prime (DMC2) means Super Sparda form (almost invulnerable to physical harm+instant kill blasts of demonic energy+time manipulation abilities from Chronoheart)...so unless Huc suddenly can move when frozen in time...he gets sliced.
Though chronofreeze is just for sure that Hulkl won't regenerate faster than he'll be slashed.

Dante = Game .

And since your such a fan of it and you know he can win why in the hell did you make it? Seriously WoS.

That thread was done long ago on the wave of fashion of making "kick-the-ass-of-WWH-and-mock-the-fanboys" threads. I'm just in bad mood...but was reminded of that by Sephirot vs "Huc" thread.
Also that thread was made in times when game restrictions were omitted.

It depends:

If we're talking about comics boards hulk (barring KMC) : he wins easy

If we're talking about WWH from real comics he wins in seconds.

If we're talking about kmc wwh he loses badly. He's Spiderman level, he gets trashed by kmc hate.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
It depends:

If we're talking about comics boards hulk (barring KMC) : he wins easy

If we're talking about WWH from real comics he wins in seconds.

If we're talking about kmc wwh he loses badly. He's Spiderman level, he gets trashed by kmc hate.
How about you leave KMC and make an account on Herochat?

Originally posted by Estacado
How about you leave KMC and make an account on Herochat?

Herochat does not like the hulk, but wwh still wins versus anyone barring abstracts. They read comics and Zom is above anyone else you can put against the hulk.

Originally posted by Estacado
How about you leave KMC and make an account on Herochat?

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
It depends:

If we're talking about comics boards hulk (barring KMC) : he wins easy

If we're talking about WWH from real comics he wins in seconds.

If we're talking about kmc wwh he loses badly. He's Spiderman level, he gets trashed by kmc hate.

So Spidey is low herald? cool

WWH with ease, can dantes swords equel the power of the hulks body, hasnt WWH withstood major power before?

the way i see it Dante wins if it can be proven that Hulks body cannot withstand dantes swords, i dont know how fast Hulk can move but if he cant hit dante down before Chronoheart or a time power is activated then Hulk will lose if he can be cut (although hulks pretty damn tought from what ive seen, let alone WWH)

otherwise Dantes Time powers run out as does his DT after a while of hitting hulk and then Hulk punches him in one and the son of sparda loses due to knokcout, or gets splattered to death with beatings.

Originally posted by llagrok
So Spidey is low herald? cool
What a revelation

Originally posted by llagrok
So Spidey is low herald? cool

Darkseid can't beat Superman

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Darkseid can't beat Superman

You crossed the line *****

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
It depends:

If we're talking about comics boards hulk (barring KMC) : he wins easy

If we're talking about WWH from real comics he wins in seconds.

If we're talking about kmc wwh he loses badly. He's Spiderman level, he gets trashed by kmc hate.

You are certainly a prime example of natural selection's failings.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You are certainly a prime example of natural selection's failings.

whats to stop hulk from squeezing dante between his hands until guts start squirting out from between his fingers like play dough?

possibly time control

a)time control;
b)friggin' Iron Fist danced around Hulk- what stops Dante from doing the same? Swords from demonic metals are very sharp- Dante cuts through stone walls easy with those, and he's fast enough to cut bullets and missles in mid air.

Time manipulation, SSF and invulnerable shadow double are jsut to mke sure "Huc" won't regenerate faster than he's being cut.
Also aside from that Quicksilver moment how's Huc going to catch guy with superhuman combat speed? Iron Fist&Spiderman were giving him hard time in terms of "catch me".

c)Dante survived being BEATEN into stone floor (normal human would be nothing that pulp) by superstrong demon and his HF dealt with damage in mere seconds. Seems a bit similiar to what Hulk did to Wolvie, but Wolvie was beaten into the ground.

as i say i still think it depends on Dante being able to cut WWH, his swords are strong but wether they can slice up hulk ime not so sure about, ofcourse in time slow/stop he would be able to cut hulks eyes out? unless their just as strong as the rest of him

thunder clap

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thunder clap

Sound is a mechanical wave. Since when could mechanical waves transmit if, theoretically, frozen in time?

Also thunderclap can be overrun by moving at supersonic speeds which is Dante capable on (not to much degree but he can still move&fight at Max 1-2 even at human form and without using time manipulation powers)- it's nothing more than a sonic wave.
A sword capable of cutting through 1 ft tick stone wall of a castle without much effort is certanly capable of doing some harm to Hulk. Hulks aren't made of adamantium...

I doubt any of Dante's weapons can pierce Hulk..

Unless Dante's weapons > adamantium claws which have failed to cut a sufficiently mad Hulk.

Plus adamantium shards in teh brain didn't kill Hulk....

Hulk's regen makes Dante's look like a joke.

Someone has never heard of "The End" or, for in continuity, The Maestro who came back to life and said The Hulk can never die.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I doubt any of Dante's weapons can pierce Hulk..

Unless Dante's weapons > adamantium claws which have failed to cut a sufficiently mad Hulk.

Plus adamantium shards in teh brain didn't kill Hulk....

Hulk's regen makes Dante's look like a joke. you just contradicted yourself, by the way.

and Wolverine CAN cut the hulk...

and so could Dante probably.

No contradiction. Different stories, different Hulks, different feats.



Wolverine fails to cut an enraged Hulk. IH #181
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IIAB/IH181.jpg



You thinK Dante's weapons are equal to adamantium?

That's just sad.

Dante's also stronger than hairy stinky Canuck and what matters more- whole lot faster (in terms of combat speed) and speed affects the force of hits much...sharp sword forged from demonic metals which are harder that most metals on Earth going into Huc's flesh on supersonic speeds is going to hurt. Also Dante can summon his shadow double (copies all our whitehaired beauty's stats but totally invulnerable to any physical harm) to double the speed of process.
Timestop is just for sure that Hulk won't regenerate even faster.

the thunder clap is an explosion that creates a lot of pressure to the surrounding area, the only way to avoid the shock wave is to be standing right behind the hulk

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
No contradiction. Different stories, different Hulks, different feats.



Wolverine fails to cut an enraged Hulk. IH #181
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IIAB/IH181.jpg



You thinK Dante's weapons are equal to adamantium?

That's just sad.

Darling, not equal but lot stronger that your regular steel- being able to cut through thick stone walls like nothing... They weren't broken when cutting the hides of various demons and Hulk's skin isn't adamantium, darling.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the thunder clap is an explosion that creates a lot of pressure to the surrounding area, the only way to avoid the shock wave is to be standing right behind the hulk
That's not omnidirectional and moves at speed of sound. Dante can move at supersonic speeds and not a dumbass in terms of combat.

isnt Adamantium indestructable or almost, i mean Dantes weapons are tought but Hulks body is incredible in some versions, ofcourse ime not hulk fan so i wouldnt know all his feats and durability. All i know is he is tough and if Dante cant cut him down before his DT or Time powers run dry, he will likely die, even at his speed he will just end up making hulk extremely mad.

the only thing anime characters can do to the hulk is make him mad

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas


Wolverine fails to cut an enraged Hulk. IH #181
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IIAB/IH181.jpg





Been retconned.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
No contradiction. Different stories, different Hulks, different feats.



Wolverine fails to cut an enraged Hulk. IH #181
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IIAB/IH181.jpg



You thinK Dante's weapons are equal to adamantium?

That's just sad. yes contradiction. you said unless Dante's swords > Adamantium then they're not cutting Hulk, since Wolvie's claws couldn't cut him. then you mentioned how adimantium shards cut hulk. none180

and yes, Wolvie CAN cut the hulk.

Where and when?

Didn't Logan cut him during WWH: X-Men?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Where and when?

Their meeting was shown later, and it was explained that Wolverine could cut the Hulk, the Hulk just immediately healed - so fast that it appeared that he couldn't. I'll try to get the issue number.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
No contradiction. Different stories, different Hulks, different feats.



Wolverine fails to cut an enraged Hulk. IH #181
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IIAB/IH181.jpg



You thinK Dante's weapons are equal to adamantium?

That's just sad.


issue hulk 340 clearly states that in the first fight Logan was indeed cutting hulk, but hulk healed so fast that it apeared as if he was not.

also every fight since has shown logan cutting hulk when he had adamatium.

It was also recotnned in issue wolverine 51 I believe were it shows what actaully happen in Logan first fight with hulk. Logan was shown cutting the hulk.


So your wrong

Here you go; the showings I was talking about, and the ones Battlehammer just alluded to. Oh, and it was in Wolverine 50, not 51.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1929/hulkhealfast1zb6.jpg
"I always thought the Hulks skin was impenetrable - I was wrong."

And, their first fight, showing that Logan did indeed cut him repeatedly;

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5289/wolverine050024025oq1.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7240/wolverine050026kz4.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6606/wolverine050027si2.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5638/wolverine050028tk8.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/477/wolverine050029pa9.jpg

Dante is overrated of hell, the fact that there are people who say he beats Jedah 7-8/10 proves that. Just wanted to get that out. Dante wins this one tho IMO.

What can Dante physically do to Hulk be it with a sword or not? So what if he could cut him he still has a healing factor that would really make it not seem as it he's really cut at all. I doubt Hulk could kill Dante either since Dante has a very high regen ability also but Dante isn't going to be easily beating Hulk with just stopping time for a few seconds and cutting him.

Originally posted by Kento
What can Dante physically do to Hulk be it with a sword or not? So what if he could cut him he still has a healing factor that would really make it not seem as it he's really cut at all. I doubt Hulk could kill Dante either since Dante has a very high regen ability also but Dante isn't going to be easily beating Hulk with just stopping time for a few seconds and cutting him.

For a few- yeah. I'm using DMC4 mechanics of mixing styles. Also there's some combinations that can be useful and Dante isn't dumbass not to use those in a fight- i.e. high demonic form (Super Sparda form with its powerful blasts of demonic energy) and shadow invulnerable double to distract "Huc" while blasting him from behind. Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Dante is overrated of hell, the fact that there are people who say he beats Jedah 7-8/10 proves that. Just wanted to get that out. Dante wins this one tho IMO.
I think Demetry is even more overrated than Dante, but you're a Darkstalkers lover.

Also whether or not Wolvie failed to cut Hulk isn't THAT relevant. We know that while demonically fonged swords isn't as hard as true primary adamantium, they're harder than most of Earth-forged metals (cutting through stone walls and hides of powerful demons without effort). We also know that cutting isn't done by default and depends on force of hit needed to pententrate a hide even if it's hard. Dante's physical stats (especially in terms of speed) are better than Wolvie's.
And cutting Hulk's flesh off is irrelevant...there's also high demonic form (Super Sparda) with really powerful blasts of demonic energy.

I never said Hulk wouldn't be cut nor said who I think would win. I just don't think Dante cutting him would actually work. Also when has Dante used blasts? Granted I hardly remember the games but I don't remember any blasts.

It's one of the trademark capabilities of Dante's most powerful form- Superr Sparda form (appears in DMC2 as Dante's "desperate devil trigger" & doesn't need any weaponry for activation). The abilities in that state include almost total invulnerablility to physical damage (healing factor increases along with other physical stats) flight, two energy swords coming out of hands instead of regular sword, and two sorts of attacks using demonic energy- aura explosion and what's more interesting- blasts of demonic energy which are enough to kill almost any opponent in the game in a single hit. The latter might be gameplay and no OHKO for Hulk, but a couple or more of those fired from relatively safe distance...

Oh DMC2...the one game I remember nothing about.

The funniest thing is that's where we're supposed to see Dante at his prime and we see his most powerful demonic form which is closest to trie demonic form of high demonic lord. But the gameplay is lame, no cool Devil Arms, Dante's girlfriend in human form looks like Iori Yagami after Midnight Bliss etc.
There were some cool stuff (like Dante fighting living skyskraper) but in total despite some cool things the game wasn't good in terms of gameplay.

Yea I had high hopes for DMC2 after playing DMC and now I don't even remember anything from it since I didn't like it at all. DMC3 was cool but I've yet to finish it for some reason...Could be cause I keep loosing to Vergil.

At which fight? 1,2,3? Maybe I can give you some advice.

I hope DMC4 would be good...anime didn't fit well as a "missing link" between DMC1 and DMC4 (it's supposed to happen between those two games and a prequel to DMC4)- Dante was sort of one-trick-pony in anime with just a few cools feats and extremely limited powerset and arsenal (yet even that light edition managed to PWN high demonic lord who tried to conquer the world and stuff (if we don't take into account the fact that Abigal was summoned by lame noob).

Um I think it's the 3rd fight. It's after Dante and Vergil fight together against that girls father then fall from the tower.

I've only seen the first episode of DMC anime...Hmm I completely forgot about it I should watch it again.

Hulk wipes the floor with him.

The links on all series on Youtube are here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=464182&pagenumber=9

And as for Vergil...there's suggested some pretty good stuff.
http://www.twilightvisions.com/dante/dmc/vergil3.htm
I just used Royalguard style in most of fights there (by the way, useful thing and blocks anything in the game including environmental damage and hits from Beowulf who's roughly Thing level in terms of strength).

I've already got a place to watch the series. Thanks though for both.

Originally posted by Soljer
Here you go; the showings I was talking about, and the ones Battlehammer just alluded to. Oh, and it was in Wolverine 50, not 51.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1929/hulkhealfast1zb6.jpg
"I always thought the Hulks skin was impenetrable - I was wrong."

And, their first fight, showing that Logan did indeed cut him repeatedly;

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5289/wolverine050024025oq1.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7240/wolverine050026kz4.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6606/wolverine050027si2.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5638/wolverine050028tk8.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/477/wolverine050029pa9.jpg

dam I always make that mistake. My bad.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Someone has never heard of "The End" or, for in continuity, The Maestro who came back to life and said The Hulk can never die.

Someones never heard of Non-canon or Hypberbole.

Sparda form...That's it...

Sparda form is overhyped, its shown no strength feets afaik, speed feets or any other feat imo worthy of it being mentioned, the only fact it seems is some of the powers it has and thats its greater than normal Devil trigger.

Shame The Maestro proved it when he regenerated from nothingness....

Unlike Dante's immortality which hasn't even been close to proven....

Tell me, has Dante ever done that? Come back from nothing?

Yeah, didn't think so. His regen is pathetic compared to Hulk's.

Oh and Jon on KMC, a guy I would say knows more about Hulk than you or I, gave a nice case for Logan not cutting Hulk. Even if the claws do cut.


I heard this was a dream sequence. (Where's Wendigo?)

In Hulk #181, Wolverine says he failed to cut the savage Hulk.

In an issue of Claremont/Byrne X-Men, Wolverine referred to his first meeting with the Hulk and said the Hulk was "darn near invulnerable" and all he managed to do was make the Hulk angrier.

In Hulk #340, Wolverine was surprised that he was able to cut the Hulk.

In Wolverine #125, narration attributes the claws piercing savage Hulk's skin to the Hulk's momentum, saying it accomplishes what Wolverine's sinews cannot.

In 6 Hours, the only time Wolverine manages to draw blood is when Hulk grabs the claws. Wolverine's actual attacks produce no blood.

He hasn't been destroyed to nothing, even though quite a few of high demonic lords tried to do that.

That's not to say that Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk, only that in those instances he was unable to. He has cut the Hulk on other occasions.

Accepting the dream(?) as a retcon is more problematic than than it's worth, imo. In the actual Hulk issue, Wolverine stated outright that the claws did not appear to be cutting the Hulk. In the X-Men issue (with Alpha Flight and Wendigo), Wolverine alluded to his inability to cut Hulk in their first meeting and his surprise in cutting greyskin in IH #340 again supports that he did not believe he'd done any damage.

It's in IH #340 that Wolverine hypothesizes that the Hulk was simply healing too quickly for him to notice it. Possible, but it's the only time I've ever seen that suggested. Perhaps Wolverine is just wrong. He's basing his supposition on being able to cut a less durable Hulk whose healing rate is clearly visible.

So accepting the dream(?) as a retcon means retconning not only the original story but altering the dialogue in two others as well. After all, why would Wolverine say he thought the Hulk's skin was impenetrable if he knew that he was cutting the Hulk all along?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
That's not to say that Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk, only that in those instances he was unable to. He has cut the Hulk on other occasions.

Accepting the dream(?) as a retcon is more problematic than than it's worth, imo. In the actual Hulk issue, Wolverine stated outright that the claws did not appear to be cutting the Hulk. In the X-Men issue (with Alpha Flight and Wendigo), Wolverine alluded to his inability to cut Hulk in their first meeting and his surprise in cutting greyskin in IH #340 again supports that he did not believe he'd done any damage.

It's in IH #340 that Wolverine hypothesizes that the Hulk was simply healing too quickly for him to notice it. Possible, but it's the only time I've ever seen that suggested. Perhaps Wolverine is just wrong. He's basing his supposition on being able to cut a less durable Hulk whose healing rate is clearly visible.

So accepting the dream(?) as a retcon means retconning not only the original story but altering the dialogue in two others as well. After all, why would Wolverine say he thought the Hulk's skin was impenetrable if he knew that he was cutting the Hulk all along?

It was not a dream it even stated to not be a dream if not mistaken.


It was a new found memory, becuase of House of M and it was the actaully story of what happen when the two colided.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also wolverine has cut hulk in a number of other issues. Which if you event try and attempt to say Logan can not cutt hulk I will send so much evidence your way your head will explode.

In WWH during Hulk's fight with Wolverine, Wolverine comes down with a double slash and it fails to pierce Hulk's skin. He later pierces Hulk's skin when he has better leverage after gouging his eyes. This is on panel. You fail.

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=70877240kh7.jpg

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It was not a dream it even stated to not be a dream if not mistaken.


It was a new found memory, becuase of House of M and it was the actaully story of what happen when the two colided.

I thought that it was a dream about their first meeting. (Where was Wendigo?)

Strange that he wouldn't remember the encounter correctly.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Did you listen to a word me or soljer stated? In hulk 340 which your self mention. Logan clearly states that he infact had cut the hulk in there first fight, but hulk healed so fast it appeared as if he had not.

That was Wolverine's hypothesis.



Uncanny #139



That was Logan's theory, anyway.



Typo. #145, the issue where the adamantium was restored.



No blood was shown.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sparda form is overhyped, its shown no strength feets afaik, speed feets or any other feat imo worthy of it being mentioned, the only fact it seems is some of the powers it has and thats its greater than normal Devil trigger. Play DMC 2, and by the way the story goes by only a demon can kill Sparda and he has beaten Mundus the ruler of the Underworld so as the current DMC story goes he is the strongest demon.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Play DMC 2, and by the way the story goes by only a demon can kill Sparda and he has beaten Mundus the ruler of the Underworld so as the current DMC story goes he is the strongest demon.

i have played all the games, the only time from what i remember Dante using Sparda form is in-game, which is limited and also from what i remember he never used sparda form against any enemies in cutscenes/cinematics throughout it either.

only a demon? where does it say that......

IH #181- No blood shown.

UXM #139- Wolverine says Hulk is nearly invulnerable and all he managed was to anger him.

IH #340- Wolverine is surprised when he cuts greyskin, supporting the original story. Logan theorizes that he had cut Hulk all along but the healing factor masked it.

Wolverine #8- Wolverine never fights Fixit.

MCP #55 & 59- Wolverine is not shown to connect with Fixit.

Wolverine #145- The two times the claws bring blood, Hulk is leaping/running into them. The second time, narration says the Hulk's momentum does what Death's sinews could not.

6 Hours #4- Wolverine's attacks are not shown to bring blood. Only when Hulk is holding the claws is blood drawn.

WWH: XM #2- Wolverine is able to cut the Hulk but later notes that he's having trouble doing so.

Hulk's durability is dynamic like his strength. He may be able to cut Hulk on some occasions but that doesn't mean he will every time.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I think Demetry is even more overrated than Dante, but you're a Darkstalkers lover. It's Demitri.

Also, seriously, how is Dante going to beat Jedah, the dude that destroys and remakes dimensions?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It's Demitri.

Also, seriously, how is Dante going to beat Jedah, the dude that destroys and remakes dimensions?

Where did you get the last point from?

please battlehammer, Jonathanos and any who want to debate Logan vs Hulk this is irrelevent in this thread, Dantes weapons are not Adamantium and this is hijacking the thread with "can Logan cut Hulk" ill report if this does not stop.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Where did you get the last point from?

he got it from a bad cutscene that doesnt really show much at all, all he does is apprently eat a load of souls, then V2D calls that dimension destroying.....not to menstion against an opponent like Dante hes not going to have time to do anything to do with dimensional attacks, he would have to use plain soul rip (can he do this from a distance) but anyway now ime joining a new hijack....Hulk wins

Originally posted by Burning thought
please battlehammer, Jonathanos and any who want to debate Logan vs Hulk this is irrelevent in this thread, Dantes weapons are not Adamantium and this is hijacking the thread with "can Logan cut Hulk" ill report if this does not stop.

He has a big hard on for Wolverine cutting the Hulk, even in threads where Wolverine isn't involved. He's argued it in the past anytime someone mentions Wolverine not cutting the Hulk in some instances in the past, no matter who many times he was proven wrong with scans, and has yet to back up his facts with scans.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i have played all the games, the only time from what i remember Dante using Sparda form is in-game, which is limited and also from what i remember he never used sparda form against any enemies in cutscenes/cinematics throughout it either.

only a demon? where does it say that...... Story man. Only demons can kills pure demons. And the reason that Sparda form is limited is coz people would use all time and clear stage in 2 minutes. In DMC 3, we see Dante laughing at a headshot. But then he can be killed during the game. Why? Coz that would be no point if the in-game version would be like the story version.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Story man. Only demons can kills pure demons. And the reason that Sparda form is limited is coz people would use all time and clear stage in 2 minutes. In DMC 3, we see Dante laughing at a headshot. But then he can be killed during the game. Why? Coz that would be no point if the in-game version would be like the story version.

He calls SSF form "pure gameplay" and discredits its immunity by the faxt that in his first fight in high demonic form Dante was knocked down by three blasts from Mundus.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Story man. Only demons can kills pure demons. And the reason that Sparda form is limited is coz people would use all time and clear stage in 2 minutes. In DMC 3, we see Dante laughing at a headshot. But then he can be killed during the game. Why? Coz that would be no point if the in-game version would be like the story version.

well i dont remember where it says only demons can kill demons but "shrug" doesnt really matter, Dante is not a pure demon. That can be added to every game mechanic.....reason why is because people would over use it, i could say the same about all of Kains moves in legacy of kain, infact a lot of moves i could but i dont because theres nothing to suggest Dante can become Super sparda form every time, not in cutscenes, nothing would point to this at all. Being killed and being killed by a headshot is entriely diffrent, for example he is many times imapled and cut by Vergil, Dante is no means invincible, the headshot is by a human weapon, wheras Dante is usually fighting and is harmed by demon enemies so his story version is still harmed and can be sliced.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
He calls SSF form "pure gameplay" and discredits its immunity by the faxt that in his first fight in high demonic form Dante was knocked down by three blasts from Mundus.

no, the form is not gameplay....we see it in cutscenes however its immunity is, proven wrong by as you said, it does get penetrated, nothing states afaik (and if you do know, please post the information) that Sparda form is actually invincible. Same with its limitations, theres nothing saying he can stay in DT or SSF at all....he simply triggers it now and then and it lasts for how long he can keep up, proof that its not infnite would be that the orb that takes his soul on that timed level is stated to give him power, it shows he needs an Amp and power to keep up his DT form.

Headshot was from human weapon, yeah, but in DMCverse we know only two persons of demonic legacy who use guns frequently- Dante and his dad.
Guns are thought to be dishonest against notmal demons and it's more than likely that we'll never see Dante being shot from demonic gun in DMC jsut because as for now he's the only person in his univerce using ones (might be sort of know-how of Sparda family, I've explained you that theory not long ago).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Headshot was from human weapon, yeah, but in DMCverse we know only two persons of demonic legacy who use guns frequently- Dante and his dad.
Guns are thought to be dishonest against notmal demons and it's more than likely that we'll never see Dante being shot from demonic gun in DMC jsut because as for now he's the only person in his univerce using ones (might be sort of know-how of Sparda family, I've explained you that theory not long ago).

well exactley, simply because he cannot or will not be shot by devil guns does not exactley mean anything, the headshot was from a human gun, was it a pistol? from what i remember lady doesnt exactley use very powerful weapons at all, their not even high cal, so his durability through this cannot be boosted, its not his best showing, i think when he is sliced with swords or when those demons put their scythes into him on the first level is a better durability feat.

The showing is that the headshot seems not to do any damage to him at all...he continued talking while being shot. The only ones who got close to killing him were either his equal in terms of rank and superior in terms of experience, or his twin brother who had exactly the same physical stats and knows exactly what weak spots Dante has if any (not to mention that he almost always bested Dante in their sparrings when they were kids).

Also first fight Dante vs Mundus isn't an evidence. We got highly experienced yet arrogant high demonic lord vs unexperienced one who has just unloked his potential. He got motivation but no experience and it's no wonder he got eventually knocked down (but not knocked out or anything) by more experienced opponent, yet he clearly bested him in two other bouts).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also first fight Dante vs Mundus isn't an evidence. We got highly experienced yet arrogant high demonic lord vs unexperienced one who has just unloked his potential. He got motivation but no experience and it's no wonder he got eventually knocked down (but not knocked out or anything) by more experienced opponent, yet he clearly bested him in two other bouts).

its evidence SSF is not invincible, the blasts he sends actually penetrate Dantes body while he is in SSF, his experiance is nothing to do with his durability

It's Sparda form, not SSF- different forms, different abilities. Sparda form is the exact replica of the high demonic form of Dante's father, while SSF is the high demonic form Dante develops on his own on bace of that and there are some differences in powerset.

Originally posted by Kutulu
He has a big hard on for Wolverine cutting the Hulk, even in threads where Wolverine isn't involved. He's argued it in the past anytime someone mentions Wolverine not cutting the Hulk in some instances in the past, no matter who many times he was proven wrong with scans, and has yet to back up his facts with scans.

actauly no one has proven me wrong............becuase im right.

Logan can and does cut the hulk.


also I have listed and shown scanns of this. your rediculous.

I mean how many times do I have to show logan cutting hulk before you stop being a moron?

I mean did you not see that scann of Logan stabbing hulk in the arm? your a joke.


also any time you want a a one on one debate on the subject I be thrilled to make you look the fool.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actauly no one has proven me wrong............becuase im right.

Logan can and does cut the hulk.


also I have listed and shown scanns of this. your rediculous.

I mean how many times do I have to show logan cutting hulk before you stop being a moron?

I mean did you not see that scann of Logan stabbing hulk in the arm? your a joke.


also any time you want a a one on one debate on the subject I be thrilled to make you look the fool.

I just posted a scan of Wolverine not cutting the Hulk with his downward slash. When Hulk was holding Wolverine, Wolvie had better leverage and managed to get a cut in. What's so hard to understand about that?

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=70877240kh7.jpg

Originally posted by Kutulu
I just posted a scan of Wolverine not cutting the Hulk with his downward slash. When Hulk was holding Wolverine, Wolvie had better leverage and managed to get a cut in. What's so hard to understand about that?

actaully being held off the ground would give you far worse leverage. Logan had the momentum of his body as well as full mobility of his arm in the first attack.


If logan failed to cut hulk in that attack that controdict that fact logan cut him with far less mobility, leverage and momentum.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully being held off the ground would give you far worse leverage. Logan had the momentum of his body as well as full mobility of his arm in the first attack.


If logan failed to cut hulk in that attack that controdict that fact logan cut him with far less movility, leverage and momentum.

Do you, or do you not, admit that Wolverine failed to cut Hulk with his downward attack?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully being held off the ground would give you far worse leverage. Logan had the momentum of his body as well as full mobility of his arm in the first attack.


This is true if someone is weaker than their bodyweight, but in the case of Logan, he is stronger than his bodyweight. Logan can press (lift) as much, or more than, captain America, which is 4-5 times as much as his bodyweight. Therefore, coming down with his bodyweight would do less damage than being braced (since Hulk is holding him) and pushing into Hulk with his full strength.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Do you, or do you not, admit that Wolverine failed to cut Hulk with his downward attack?

harder to cut does not equal not being cut. I mean even looking at the picture you can see hulks skinn was cut.


also if Logan did fail to cut it be complete controdiction to it self sicne Logan cut hulk with far less leverage, mobility, and momentum.


so yes I think he cut hulk, but I don't think it was that damaging of an assualt at all.

Originally posted by Kutulu
This is true if someone is weaker than their bodyweight, but in the case of Logan, he is stronger than his bodyweight. Logan can press (lift) as much, or more than, captain America, which is 4-5 times as much as his bodyweight. Therefore, coming down with his bodyweight would do less damage than being braced (since Hulk is holding him) and pushing into Hulk with his full strength.


false. Logan used his legs to propell him giving him self momentum, and the ability to use his full morbility which would grant him far greater force.


Logan being held in the air gave him far limited mobility and also took away from using most of his body in the assualt.


it pritty simple actaully.

also why would Logan do a surprize attack that would do less damage then a normal assault? think about it man that does not even make sense.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
harder to cut does not equal not being cut. I mean even looking at the picture you can see hulks skinn was cut.

I just looked at the picture again. Hulk's skin was not cut from the initial downward attack.



It is not a contradiction. Read what I wrote again about Logan's strength. When you're strong enough to press 5 times your bodyweight, then being braced will allow you to press with more force than simply jumping down.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
false. Logan used his legs to propell him giving him self momentum, and the ability to use his full morbility which would grant him far greater force.


Logan being held in the air gave him far limited mobility and also took away from using most of his body in the assualt.


it pritty simple actaully.

also why would Logan do a surprize attack that would do less damage then a normal assault? think about it man that does not even make sense.

Two things. First, a downward slashing attack has less piercing power than a braced attack where you push directly into something. When Logan comes down with the initial attack. It takes far less force to push a sword through something pointed directly at it, than it does to slash down on something.

If you want to take a real life example, take a leather belt, a sharp knife, and a leather reamer. Slashing down on the belt will only lightly scratch the surface, wheras pushing in with the leather reamer using the same amount of strength will dig much deeper into the belt and puncture through it.

If you look at the scan again, that's exactly what Logan did - he was surprised when his initial attack didn't pierce Hulk's skin, so when Hulk grabbed him, his body was now leveraged to use his full strength to push into and then tear into the Hulk's skin.

Originally posted by Kutulu

I just looked at the picture again. Hulk's skin was not cut from the initial downward attack.



It is not a contradiction. Read what I wrote again about Logan's strength. When you're strong enough to press 5 times your bodyweight, then being braced will allow you to press with more force than simply jumping down.

Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.


false Like a stated Logan had gain momentum then pushed off with teh full force of his legs granting him far greater force.


Being held in the air and at thos angles would allow him only at best the strength in his arms.



also Like I said before why would Logan attack that way first if it was weaker then a normal assault? he would that make no sense. think about it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.


false Like a stated Logan had gain momentum then pushed off with teh full force of his legs granting him far greater force.


Being held in the air and at thos angles would allow him only at best the strength in his arms.



also Like I said before why would Logan attack that way first if it was weaker then a normal assault? he would that make no sense. think about it.

I am looking again at the scan right now, and once again, he did not cut his skin. When he cuts his skin he has green goo (blood) on the end of his claws, which you can clearly see, he doesn't have in that first initial attack.

Logan came in that way as his attack because he was expecting to pierce Hulk's skin with the initial slash down, so it does make sense. The last thing Wolverine would expect would be for someone to resist his claw attack.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Look again at the middle. Look at the slash. There are lines sparking away from it. Clear indication of a cut. wish I had the edit ability so i could circle it for you.


I have photo-chopped the scan for you.

Look closely - this is right after Wolverine came slashing down. Look at Wolverine's right claw after slashing Hulk's eye - it clearly has "goo" on it, meaning Blood from Hulk. Look at his left claw now, and notice how it's completely clean - no blood or otherwise.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I am looking again at the scan right now, and once again, he did not cut his skin. When he cuts his skin he has green goo (blood) on the end of his claws, which you can clearly see, he doesn't have in that first initial attack.

actaully look at the entire fight. logan does not has blood on his claws what so ever untill he stabs hulk and even then the blood remains for less then a pannel

Originally posted by Kutulu
Logan came in that way as his attack because he was expecting to pierce Hulk's skin with the initial slash down, so it does make sense. The last thing Wolverine would expect would be for someone to resist his claw attack.

no it would not. Logan would attack with the most devasting attack, not the least powerful. that make little to no sense. actaully logan has had resistence to his claws before it no that big of a shocker for him. Also did Logan look surpized to you? logan cleary just goes oh your harder to cut. Not surprized in the least. also being harder to cut like I said does not mean he did not cut him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
think about it.

To clarify my position - my only point of contention with what you were saying is that there are no circumstances where Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk. My point is that it has been proven time and time again that Hulk's durability rises along with his strength when he gets angry.

Had Wolverine come down with the initial attack using a downward facing piercing attack (not slashing), he no doubt would have pierced into Hulk's skin - that being said, it looks like he wasn't expecting Hulk's skin to be as resilient as it was.

Originally posted by Kutulu
To clarify my position - my only point of contention with what you were saying is that there are no circumstances where Wolverine cannot cut the Hulk. My point is that it has been proven time and time again that Hulk's durability rises along with his strength when he gets angry.

Had Wolverine come down with the initial attack using a downward facing piercing attack (not slashing), he no doubt would have pierced into Hulk's skin - that being said, it looks like he wasn't expecting Hulk's skin to be as resilient as it was.

No what I was saying is there no version of Hulk Logan can't pierce.


There may be a circumstances like no leverage or what not that prevents logan from cutting hulk, but if Logan is given a clean shot he was certainly pierce hulks skin.



actaully wwh is always at his max's. so his resistences would not have varied at all.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully look at the entire fight. logan does not has blood on his claws what so ever untill he stabs hulk and even then the blood remains for less then a pannel

After stabbing Hulk, you can clearly see goo on his left claw, a panel after the wound, not once, but two separate panels show blood / goo on his claws.
http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=92196991hl0.jpg

Originally posted by Battlehammer

actaully wwh is always at his max's. so his resistences would not have varied at all.

Incorrect. Look at the following two pictures, in the first picture at his base WWH level he is having trouble with the Toxin he was injected with. Cho then says something to make him more angry, and watch how quickly he overcomes the toxin as his anger level rises.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat2.jpg

WWH is at a constant base level that is much higher than his normal base level, this is true, but his strength, durability, and healing factor still vary during the series quite a bit depending on how much angrier he gets than his base level of meditated anger.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Incorrect. Look at the following two pictures, in the first picture at his base WWH level he is having trouble with the Toxin he was injected with. Cho then says something to make him more angry, and watch how quickly he overcomes the toxin as his anger level rises.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/SymmetricChaos/Hulk_healingfeat2.jpg

WWH is at a constant base level that is much higher than his normal base level, this is true, but his strength, durability, and healing factor still vary during the series quite a bit depending on how much angrier he gets than his base level of meditated anger.
guess I was wrong about that. still does not change the fact his strength, durability did not simply spike for that one attack then go down again. Nor was it ever shown to really spike during the x-men fight at all ecpt for the beggining.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
guess I was wrong about that. still does not change the fact his strength, durability did not simply spike for that one attack then go down again. Nor was it ever shown to really spike during the x-men fight at all ecpt for the beggining.

Since you clarified that there is no version of Hulk that Wolverine cannot pierce, I would agree; it's slashing that Wolverine had trouble doing. I have seen no evidence of Hulk ever resisting a piercing attack from Logan.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Since you clarified that there is no version of Hulk that Wolverine cannot pierce, I would agree; it's slashing that Wolverine had trouble doing. I have seen no evidence of Hulk ever resisting a piercing attack from Logan.

even slashinng attacks Logan still pierces hulks skin.

let for the sake of the arguement assume logan did not cut hulk with that down ward slash. he still slashed hulk every other time during the fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
even slashinng attacks Logan still pierces hulks skin.

let for the sake of the arguement assume logan did not cut hulk with that down ward slash. he still slashed hulk every other time during the fight.

Sounds good to me.

I go with Hulk.

No way a ***-manga looking dude will hurt my boy! :P

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I go with Hulk.

No way a ***-manga looking dude will hurt my boy! :P

Since when Dreamwave comics are manga?

Hulk wins.

HOw the hell is Dante supposed to even hurt hulk? . Also doesnt his timestop power have some sort of guage as to how long he can use it? Hulk thunderclaps and then throws Dante into the sun.

Hulk wins IMO.

no way dante can beat WWH. Hulk has been toe-toe with mephisto and wwh is the strongest and smartest incarnation of the hulk you be crazy to think that wwh will lose to that arrogant punk.

How about Sentry vs Dante? 131

Shut up Zack.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
HOw the hell is Dante supposed to even hurt hulk? . Also doesnt his timestop power have some sort of guage as to how long he can use it? Hulk thunderclaps and then throws Dante into the sun.

Yeah because Hulk always throws people into the sun after a thunderclap. I say Dante can hurt Hulk a lot. What happens when Dante Hulk's out? Dante has taken on bigger opponents and much more powerful ones.

Not really, no. Not by feats.

weep

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah because Hulk always throws people into the sun after a thunderclap. I say Dante can hurt Hulk a lot. What happens when Dante Hulk's out? Dante has taken on bigger opponents and much more powerful ones.

LOL. Dante taken on much more powerful opponents? Like who? Can we have some quantifiable feats? HOw is dante going to hurt hulk by the way? Or overcome hulks H factor which is far better than his?

Hulk thunderclaps and then sends Dante flying into the sun.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How about Sentry vs Dante? 131

Darling, you really, really want to do that?Well...

hulk rips dante's arms off and ****s him up the ass. sorry bout the outburst but dantes so gay and japanese. seriously dante doesn't have any quantifiable feats. it is hard to compare games to comics but hulk has proven time and time again to be able to just plough through magic powers and all that homo crap. another point why dante? kratos is like a bazillion times harder and cooler than that anime derived fudgenudger

I am just curious but why does it matter that Dante originated in Japan?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I am just curious but why does it matter that Dante originated in Japan?

Darling, it's not the first case... just because somebody was created by Japanese-based company, doesn't mean he's up there with characters from Naruto.
Such claims from guys who love brainless brutes like Kratos piss me off to no end, specially their language. Given some cultural pecularities of Spartan life, I won't exactly call Kratos heterosexual person. Bi at best.

yeah i know the spartans encouraged homosexuality in the army but kratos had a wife and kid and is sure as hell not a brainless brute. the japanese angle annoys me because everything that comes out of japan in terms of manga and anime is always so OTT or a pale imitation of classic heroes. i don't dislike the japanese as such just their fantasy always leaves me a bit cold. the execption to this is the metal gear solid series in which the story is just so epic. an more intersting fight would be kratos versus dante cos they have similar powersets (superstong, quick, hard as nails, time manipulation) but contrasting characters. actually screw that kratos has the power of fates snip-snip no more dante

Originally posted by lordmohahat
yeah i know the spartans encouraged homosexuality in the army but kratos had a wife and kid and is sure as hell not a brainless brute. the japanese angle annoys me because everything that comes out of japan in terms of manga and anime is always so OTT or a pale imitation of classic heroes. i don't dislike the japanese as such just their fantasy always leaves me a bit cold. the execption to this is the metal gear solid series in which the story is just so epic. an more intersting fight would be kratos versus dante cos they have similar powersets (superstong, quick, hard as nails, time manipulation) but contrasting characters. actually screw that kratos has the power of fates snip-snip no more dante

In fact, he f*cked her wife only to get her pregnant with that kid, probably...considering the whole spartan attitude on family and love (one not equaling other).
Dante vs Kratos was done and redone to death... and Hulk is plain one-dimensional character. The only thing Dante has in common with Final Fantasy character is hair colour and probably fancy sword designs (adorable, though).
Though the strings of fate things is a new "horse" Kratos fans ride to death...it come in fashion.
No offence, though some stuff in that thread was giving me headache and Hulk (non-PIS-amped) has lost to lesser people than Dante.
The only time Hulk hung with group of mystical warriors was when he was a member of Defenders, and those poor guys sometimes were so horribly jobbed down when reduced to background cast in Hulk comics.

Though WWH is an ultimate PIS machine, second to Squirrel Girl only...

I really don't see how anyone can compare Dante to King Hulk, one dimensional or not (which he really isn't) the Hulk has incredible movement speed, an healing factor, strength amping, and energy projection, this is hardly one dimensional if you really look at it closer... Colossus is one dimensional, not the Hulk.

I'm trying to imagine Bruce getting his hands on Dante, and the impression that I'm coming up with is getting uglier by the second. To top it off King Hulk had a sword as well, and the strength to move continents.


King Hulk ftw 10/10

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I really don't see how anyone can compare Dante to King Hulk, one dimensional or not (which he really isn't) the Hulk has incredible movement speed, an healing factor, strength amping, and energy projection, this is hardly one dimensional if you really look at it closer... Colossus is one dimensional, not the Hulk.

I'm trying to imagine Bruce getting his hands on Dante, and the impression that I'm coming up with is getting uglier by the second. To top it off King Hulk had a sword as well, and the strength to move continents.


King Hulk ftw 10/10

Really Dante does not have a chance in hell. A character with hardly any quantifable feats, the few quantifable ones he does have are way below the hulks level,is not physically good enough to even go a few rounds against the hulk... etc. has no chance of surviving let alone defeating the hulk. Thunderclap to sun toss FTW

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Such claims from guys who love brainless brutes like Kratos piss me off to no end, specially their language. Given some cultural pecularities of Spartan life, I won't exactly call Kratos heterosexual person. Bi at best. Hey.

I like Kratos.

And about Kratos being gay...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/ScoobyM/Motivational%20Posters/kratos_badass.jpg

lordmohahat. Please stay on topic. Thanks.

This isnt even a contest

WWH obliterates Dante

Hell Ryu Hayabusa could kill Dante

Regarding Hulk not being able to be cut by adamantium...You do recall in World War Hulk his skin being torn to shreds by adamantium shrapnel and bullets? And while his sword isn't as sharp as Wolverine's claws, I think its sharper than a rounded bullet. That, and Dante can generate similar near bullet-like speed.

Things Dante has going for him:

Two overpowered high demon forms capable of dominating the Ruler of Hell.
Powerful energy blasts.
Combat speed advantage.
Hand-to-hand skill advantage.
A healing factor virtually on par with Hulk's own.
Nigh-immortality.
Time manipulation.
Charlotte arguing Dante's case.
My backing of Charlotte's verdict.


Conclusion? Dante wins, 8/10 times.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Regarding Hulk not being able to be cut by adamantium...You do recall in World War Hulk his skin being torn to shreds by adamantium shrapnel and bullets? And while his sword isn't as sharp as Wolverine's claws, I think its sharper than a rounded bullet. That, and Dante can generate similar near bullet-like speed.

Things Dante has going for him:

Two overpowered high demon forms capable of dominating the Ruler of Hell.
Powerful energy blasts.
Combat speed advantage.
Hand-to-hand skill advantage.
A healing factor virtually on par with Hulk's own.
Nigh-immortality.
Time manipulation.
Charlotte arguing Dante's case.
My backing of Charlotte's verdict.


Conclusion? Dante wins, 8/10 times.

Is this supposed to be a joke? Adamantium can and has cut the hulk in the past but Dante has gotten nothing on him even remotely close to being equal with adamntium so forget that. Adamantium shrapnel was able to pierce WWH skin but admantium has always been the bane of guys like hulk and aside adamntium few things have ever been able to pierce hulks skin. Dantes sword which cuts through stone walls or whatever wont even come close.

Dantes two overpowered demons, would be lucky to survive a single blow from the hulk. What durability feats do they have? Dantes enrgy blasts will at best tickle who took skrull BBs voice which wud have destroyed rhode island,human torches nova flame and storms lightning fury at the same time and the sentrys all out energy attacks without being hurt. Dantes combat speed advanatage is moot when he cant even hurt the hulk. Same goes for his h2h skill. Hulks healing factor is much better than dantes as he has much better feats. Nigh immortality means nothing as even the gods can be killed. The only thing of any use to him wud be time manipulation and he cannot use it indefinitely. Time manipulation wud be gud cuz he wud be able to slow hulk down and give himself time to escape.

The force of a thunderclap alone would knock Dante for a loop. Hulk would then proceed to pound his head in and throw him very far away. Maybe to mars or the sun.

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't recall Sentry ever using his energy attacks on WWH. I recall him powering up and leaving a few city blocks in flames, though.

He did use his energy in WWHulk, and the Warbound had to come to his aid in order to free him. I just wish that they used a better artist to show what form of energy it was, because it resembled fire, when it was supposed to be light... well I guess.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't recall Sentry ever using his energy attacks on WWH. I recall him powering up and leaving a few city blocks in flames, though.

Then u obviously did not read the fight. Hulk took sentrys energy attacks and was even able to grab the sentrys energy.

Originally posted by Stoic
He did use his energy in WWHulk, and the Warbound had to come to his aid in order to free him. I just wish that they used a better artist to show what form of energy it was, because it resembled fire, when it was supposed to be light... well I guess.

Seconded. My dog shits prettier than World War Hulk's final issue's artwork.

The faces Sentry was making when being hit...ridiculous.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Regarding Hulk not being able to be cut by adamantium...You do recall in World War Hulk his skin being torn to shreds by adamantium shrapnel and bullets? And while his sword isn't as sharp as Wolverine's claws, I think its sharper than a rounded bullet. That, and Dante can generate similar near bullet-like speed.

Things Dante has going for him:

Two overpowered high demon forms capable of dominating the Ruler of Hell.
Powerful energy blasts.
Combat speed advantage.
Hand-to-hand skill advantage.
A healing factor virtually on par with Hulk's own.
Nigh-immortality.
Time manipulation.
Charlotte arguing Dante's case.
My backing of Charlotte's verdict.


Conclusion? Dante wins, 8/10 times.

As for swords "not sharper than Wolverine's claws"- I'd call BS on that. One of the swords he owns (Sparda sword) is actually capable of cutting through...fabric of dimensions.


Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
It failed to cut Rebellion, the weapon forged from the demonic metal by demons and belonging to Dante (previously belonging to Sparda).
It's not bizzare, since sword in fact doesn't cut through the matter, it cuts through... the place where the matter was (supported by the way Dimension Slash move executed- multiple mini-portals open in the air as the sword goes through it). In fact it opens mini-rift in place- a portal going through the matter. If the matter is from demonic plane of reality, then Yamato interacts with it just as any durable mystical sword.
Dante's father used Yamato's dimension cutting properties to open gates from Hell to Earth (none of Sparda's sons have since that discovered that Yamato can in fact "tear" the portals to hell and use it just to cut things, sometimes from distance and in cool-looking ways) that's why the Order hunted Yamato in DMC4.
Since Naraku is demon and belongs to multiple planes of existance, it's depending on many factors. Probably Yamato would be just regular sword forged from demonic metal- but Dante even as 17years old was skilled enough to cut things from distance with his default sword- Rebellion. That's simply a creation of energy wave by pumping his demonic energy into sword:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2742/pg134135ox6.th.jpg

The only two swords having "dimension cutting" properties in DMCverse are Yamato and full power Sparda sword. Both are in Dante's possession in that fight. Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel


Dante's regeneration feats are good enough to allow him to take multiple stabs in vital organs like nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVKGGWQHPs
Here's the "cutting through dimension" feat Leon adressed. That's the thing that allows Yamato to cut through anything on human plane of reality- be it a piece of bullshit or primary adamantium. It cuts through the human plane of reality itself, and the only weapons that can block it are the ones forged on demon plane of reality or divine one (thus non-human).
In DMC4 Dante depicts that in a couple of movies called "dimension slash".

Also you guys forgot two simple things- shadow duplicate invulnerable to physical attacks (Doppelganger), who neverthelss can mimic all the attacks of the real deal, and combat teleportation.

I say that Dante can't win over current Kratos aka God of Time, but WWH...hardly godly despite what fanboys think. Sentry hardly used anything rather than heat beams in terms of energy attacks (RG gives Dante the ability to absorb kinetic energy which is all that Hulk's attacks are based on).
And Worldbreaker is a separate incarnation from WWH...

Sorry, but Dante would loose to someone who is... Incredible!

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for swords "not sharper than Wolverine's claws"- I'd call BS on that. One of the swords he owns (Sparda sword) is actually capable of cutting through...fabric of dimensions.




Also you guys forgot two simple things- shadow duplicate invulnerable to physical attacks (Doppelganger), who neverthelss can mimic all the attacks of the real deal, and combat teleportation.

I say that Dante can't win over current Kratos aka God of Time, but WWH...hardly godly despite what fanboys think. Sentry hardly used anything rather than heat beams in terms of energy attacks (RG gives Dante the ability to absorb kinetic energy which is all that Hulk's attacks are based on).
And Worldbreaker is a separate incarnation from WWH...

His sword bein able to cut through dimensions, is not by sheer force or sharpness alone but through some mystical rule that applies only in the DMCverse. In Marvel, "Demonic metal" has no such effect on the "human" plane of existence so he wont be cutting WWH because of that. Also Dantes regenrataion feats are not even in the range of the hulks. He has no quantifiablefeat that puts him on a level even close to what would be needed to substantiall damage WWH. Add that to his limited stamina and his chances look even bleaker. The force of hulks thunderclaps alone have taken down entire forests and villages and have taken out guys more durable than dante such as Wonderman, thing and iron man. When hulk eventually gets his hands on him he can easily launch him into the sun.

Grey hulk'd one shot Dante.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for swords "not sharper than Wolverine's claws"- I'd call BS on that. One of the swords he owns (Sparda sword) is actually capable of cutting through...fabric of dimensions.

I was being generous to the Hulk fans, Charlotte.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I was being generous to the Hulk fans, Charlotte.

Oh yes...it's called "being politically correct".

WWH will kill him with one punch