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When Hermione and Ron go down to the Chamber of Secrets (to get the Basilisk Fang) in this book, how do they come back up the pipe? In book 2 Fawkes took them back up, but he wasn't here this time, so...



Also, the reason Voldemort couldn't hurt Harry with the Cruciatus Curse and at the end of the book with Avada Kedavra, is because the wand belongs to Harry. But the wand belonged to Gregarovitch, and Grindelwald was still able to harm him with it, and when it belonged to Antioch Peverell a stranger still killed him with the wand. If the wand can't harm it's owner, how come it did to those people?

Cant they apparate?

Not inside the castle,no.

They might have found a house elf willing to go with them, there might have been another way up, or else the enchantments could have changed when Dumbledore died.

Just a few ideas from the top of my head, my eye hurts. ermmnone

Wasn't Antioch killed in his sleep? I don't remember Grindelwald hurting Gregorovitch.

Originally posted by Barker
Wasn't Antioch killed in his sleep? I don't remember Grindelwald hurting Gregorovitch.
Yes, he was killed in his sleep, but it was still win wand and it hurt him, so why does it mater if he was sleeping.

Grindelwald stunned Antioch with the wand, thus Antioch's own wand hurt him.



Good points about the Chamber, though, Kreacher or somebody may have gone with them.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes, he was killed in his sleep, but it was still win wand and it hurt him, so why does it mater if he was sleeping.

Grindelwald stunned Antioch with the wand, thus Antioch's own wand hurt him.



Good points about the Chamber, though, Kreacher or somebody may have gone with them.
I just reread the passage, Antioch had his throat slit by a knife.

Gindelwald and Antioch were hundreds of years apart, I thought.

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Yes, wasn't Antioch one of the three original brothers? He was the one that requested the Elder Wand in the first place, as I remember. The one that requested the Stone killed himself, and the one that requested the cloak lived a full, long life and greeted Death at the end.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Also, the reason Voldemort couldn't hurt Harry with the Cruciatus Curse and at the end of the book with Avada Kedavra, is because the wand belongs to Harry. But the wand belonged to Gregarovitch, and Grindelwald was still able to harm him with it, and when it belonged to Antioch Peverell a stranger still killed him with the wand. If the wand can't harm it's owner, how come it did to those people?

Probably Disarming Charms.

The wand can hurt it's owner, it just doesn't work properly against them, remember Voldemort killed Harry (kind of) with the Elder Wand

Originally posted by Terror of Death
Cant they apparate?

I think yes. Hogwarts was in flames, and I'm surre that the extra protection that was placed on the castle disappeared with the death of Dumbledore. Think of it. which ever antiapparation charm placed on the grounds would have disappeared once the person who has placed them would die. Logically, the most skilled person in the school would be the Headmaster. But after the death of each Headmaster the next one would reinforce the charm. But with the death of the last one...


Originally posted by darthsith19

Also, the reason Voldemort couldn't hurt Harry with the Cruciatus Curse and at the end of the book with Avada Kedavra, is because the wand belongs to Harry. But the wand belonged to Gregarovitch, and Grindelwald was still able to harm him with it, and when it belonged to Antioch Peverell a stranger still killed him with the wand. If the wand can't harm it's owner, how come it did to those people?

Its not the owner & wand relation here at stake. I think DD gives us the answer when they "meet" with Harry at the King Cross: " Voldermort did something foolish, he took your blood, Lily's blood" _ I'm not quoting the exact words, just the meaning.
So drinking Harry's blood, or using Harry's blood in GoF makes harry untouchable. So no matter which wand he uses, he still can not kill Harry.

Except by that point the Battle of Hogwarts hadn't even started yet, so no, the castle wasn't in flames. Also, if they could have apparated out then they could have apparated into the Chamber, but they didn't.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Except by that point the Battle of Hogwarts hadn't even started yet, so no, the castle wasn't in flames. Also, if they could have apparated out then they could have apparated into the Chamber, but they didn't.
Hermione had never been down there, and Ron had only been as far as the cave in, so they would have had to guess exactly how to get to the Baslisk. Probably not the best idea to take that chance, especially with a horcrux in tow.

Originally posted by Barker
Hermione had never been down there, and Ron had only been as far as the cave in, so they would have had to guess exactly how to get to the Baslisk. Probably not the best idea to take that chance, especially with a horcrux in tow.
Yes, but it would have been a hell of a lot easier and quicker to apparate to the chamber of secrets part that Ron did know, and you don't have to know a place to apparate to it.

Originally posted by darthsith19
When Hermione and Ron go down to the Chamber of Secrets (to get the Basilisk Fang) in this book, how do they come back up the pipe? In book 2 Fawkes took them back up, but he wasn't here this time, so...



Also, the reason Voldemort couldn't hurt Harry with the Cruciatus Curse and at the end of the book with Avada Kedavra, is because the wand belongs to Harry. But the wand belonged to Gregarovitch, and Grindelwald was still able to harm him with it, and when it belonged to Antioch Peverell a stranger still killed him with the wand. If the wand can't harm it's owner, how come it did to those people?

They probably used a levitation spell like Wingardium Leviosa and levitated each other up.

Grindelwand probably used his original wand to kill the wand's owner.

According to the DH ebook i've read. Ron was carrying a broomstick when they reunited with harry after coming out from the CoS.