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did a search, been done before,not like this though.
who takes the majority?

There are very few things that can take out H/P DD.


PC Mongul is not one of them, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
There are very few things that can take out H/P DD.


PC Mongul is not one of them, imo.
wasnt pc mongul like 3 times as strong as supes?

Yo.

good grief!! does sumbody hate h/p DD or something???




Tazer

Originally posted by lordboo
wasnt pc mongul like 3 times as strong as supes?
No, that was me.

Originally posted by lordboo
did a search, been done before,not like this though.
who takes the majority?

Doomsday FTW

Doomsday.

Mongul should use his brains and punch HP Doomsday out or orbit.

DD is no where near as strong as pre-crisis DC powerhouses. Mongul could take this...via BFR.

doomsday wins this.

how can you compare? Could current Supes beat pre-crisis Supes? I see it as the same thing...pre-crisis powers....such as Mongul in this fight...are on a different level.

Pre-Crisis Mongul.


He was stronger than Pre-Crisis Supes for christ shake! The only time Supes really beat him was when he went all out with heat vision and strength... and Supes fell unconscious afterwards.

Like said, he could just punch Doomsday out of orbit.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Pre-Crisis Mongul.


He was stronger than Pre-Crisis Supes for christ shake! The only time Supes really beat him was when he went all out with heat vision and strength... and Supes fell unconscious afterwards.

Like said, he could just punch Doomsday out of orbit.

DD is too fast for Mongul.
He knocked 5 members of the JL (including Superman) at the simultaneously before they could respond. Even superman was complaining of his speed. HP DD is much worst. His protrutions shot out and in which they went straight through Superman's shoulder like liquid, before Superman could even respond. He could do the same to Mongul but through his brains instead. Yuk!

Originally posted by h1a8
DD is too fast for Mongul.
He knocked 5 members of the JL (including Superman) at the simultaneously before they could respond. Even superman was complaining of his speed. HP DD is much worst. His protrutions shot out and in which they went straight through Superman's shoulder like liquid, before Superman could even respond. He could do the same to Mongul but through his brains instead. Yuk!

Mongul >>>>>>>> Pre-Crisis Superman >>>>>>>> Post-Crisis Superman.

Whoever gets the first shot er punch wins

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Mongul >>>>>>>> Pre-Crisis Superman >>>>>>>> Post-Crisis Superman.

Only in strength (which is arguable since Superman has mental blocks that prevent him from killing).
But not in speed nor durability.

He loses to HP DD easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
Only in strength (which is arguable since Superman has mental blocks that prevent him from killing).

In "For the Man Who has Everything", it was Superman's speed and heat vision that hurt Mongul more than his strength. Yes, Superman almost killed him, but then again Mongul almost killed him as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
But not in speed nor durability.

He loses to HP DD easily.

What... the hell are you talking about?


He was virtually unaffected by Hal Jordan (GL) and Supergirl combined.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/DC_Comics_Presents43-11.jpg

Has taken on both Superman & the Legion of Super Heroes
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/DC_Comics_Presents43-15.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/DC_Comics_Presents43-16.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/DC_Comics_Presents43-17.jpg

Oh, and just for the heck of it....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Mongul-DCP27.jpg

What was Doomsday going to do against him again?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
What was Doomsday going to do against him again?

Make his bony protrusions go right through his head like liquid.
One shot kill.

Originally posted by h1a8
Make his bony protrusions go right through his head like liquid.
One shot kill.

Mongul punches him into orbit before he would have a chance to do something like that....


Would Doomsday's bony protrusions actually pierce Mongul's skin anyway?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Mongul punches him into orbit before he would have a chance to do something like that....


Would Doomsday's bony protrusions actually pierce Mongul's skin anyway? doomsday took over apokolips and darkseid like nothing. granted thats not that big of athing but he also killed cannon fodder gl's left and right. wait maybe u have a point. as these arent as great or as big of feats as ud think. but nah doomsday still has what it takes to kill mongul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
wait maybe u have a point. as these arent as great or as big of feats as ud think.

I've never said they were either, Mr. Phail. ermm

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I've never said they were either, Mr. Phail. ermm doomsday adapts for the win. not hard to figure this out is it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
doomsday adapts for the win. not hard to figure this out is it?

If Superboy Prime can beat Doomsday....


Which you thought in the SPB vs DD thread...


Then why can't Mongul?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
If Superboy Prime can beat Doomsday....


Which you thought in the SPB vs DD thread...


Then why can't Mongul? mongul is no sbp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
mongul is no sbp.

Pre-Crisis Mongul >>>>>>>>>> Pre-Crisis Superman >>>>>>>>> Superboy Prime.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Pre-Crisis Mongul >>>>>>>>>> Pre-Crisis Superman >>>>>>>>> Superboy Prime. not buying what you are selling. sorry no way. sbp wrkeced the speed barrier and had to be depowered to lose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
not buying what you are selling. sorry no way. sbp wrkeced the speed barrier and had to be depowered to lose.

Ignorant moron.

Mongul was above Pre-Crisis Kryptonians.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/supermanvsmongul3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/supermanvsmongul4.jpg

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Ignorant moron.

Mongul was above Pre-Crisis Kryptonians.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/supermanvsmongul3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/supermanvsmongul4.jpg not sbp. where is sbp in that scan.



sbp would have to be depowered to lose to mongul. bottom line.

Originally posted by quanchi112
not sbp. where is sbp in that scan.



sbp would have to be depowered to lose to mongul. bottom line.

What.... in God's name are you babbling about?!


Superboy Prime is no different than any other Pre-Crisis Kryptonian....



Damn, your idiocy is getting really annoying....

Originally posted by quanchi112
not buying what you are selling. sorry no way. sbp wrkeced the speed barrier and had to be depowered to lose.

You haven't read much Pre-Crisis stuff did you?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Mongul punches him into orbit before he would have a chance to do something like that....


Would Doomsday's bony protrusions actually pierce Mongul's skin anyway?

What?
Do you know who Doomsday is?
Do you know how fast and relentless he is?
Do you know how powerful he is?
Please read (or reread) DOS and the HP series.
It is no way you would be saying this stuff or asking these kinds of questions.

This isn't even a good thread. Trust me, I will not lie to you here.
Mongul would get killed badly. He wouldn't even last even last 10 seconds. I promise.

Originally posted by Estacado

You haven't read much Pre-Crisis stuff did you? have u read any doomsday stuff. hes a monster and wins this every damn time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
have u read any doomsday stuff. hes a monster and wins this every damn time.

I have all DD comics and I made the DD respect thread.
Still he is nowhere near a Pre-Crisis Supes.

Originally posted by Estacado

I have all DD comics and I made the DD respect thread.
Still he is nowhere near a Pre-Crisis Supes. he adapts. geez he killed a guardian right. he was wrecking all of apokolips and was crushing even darkseid himself after he soloed pretty much the entire planet. do u think precrisis supes could show up on apokolips now and solo everyone on there?

Originally posted by quanchi112
he adapts. geez he killed a guardian right. he was wrecking all of apokolips and was crushing even darkseid himself after he soloed pretty much the entire planet. do u think precrisis supes could show up on apokolips now and solo everyone on there?
DD never faced anyone mentionable on Apokolips except DS (avatar) and yes PC Supes could wreck "current" Apokolips.
Still DD should have had a size an ant compared to others cause he wasn't boomtubed to the planet.

Originally posted by Estacado
DD never faced anyone mentionable on Apokolips except DS (avatar) and yes PC Supes could wreck "current" Apokolips.
Still DD should have had a size an ant compared to others cause he wasn't boomtubed to the planet. first off that wasnt an avatar. prove it. it makes no sense that superman saved an avatar. secondly precrisis supes wrecking apokolips proves one thing that apokolips has been weakened since the crisis. even though they are supposed to be outside its influence it only makes sense.

Threads like these, make me hate this forum...

Originally posted by starking
Threads like these, make me hate this forum... ignore the threads u dont like. thats what i do, why read something that makes u angry.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
What.... in God's name are you babbling about?!


Superboy Prime is no different than any other Pre-Crisis Kryptonian....



Damn, your idiocy is getting really annoying.... did all precrisis kryptonians fly around with armor feeding them energy and powering them up.


gotcha!!!!!!

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he adapts. geez he killed a guardian right. he was wrecking all of apokolips and was crushing even darkseid himself after he soloed pretty much the entire planet. do u think precrisis supes could show up on apokolips now and solo everyone on there?

DD didnt kill an Oan; that Oan commited suicide.




Tazer

Originally posted by quanchi112
ignore the threads u dont like. thats what i do, why read something that makes u angry. Hmm, not only are you a hypocrite, but your a copycat..
Originally posted by quanchi112
first off mind your own busness. he admitted the other day to creating a spite thread to antagonize me. he calles peple retards in most of his posts and just jumps down peoples throats before taking the time to actually read the posts.

and one other thing dont tell me what to do ...ever. ok.





You want people to stay out of your business, yet you have the right to get in others?

And it's funny how you tell people to get off your back, after I tell you to do the same.

Originally posted by starking
Stop responding to me, I want you OUT of my business.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i come here to prove points. i dont care what u say. im not imsulting im merely showing u the light. im really sorry if i hurt ur feelings and im just here to argue comics ok.



a feat isnt a feat until one does it.

have a great night,ok.

Yo.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
What.... in God's name are you babbling about?!

Superboy Prime is no different than any other Pre-Crisis Kryptonian....

Damn, your idiocy is getting really annoying....

SBP is different in that his super-abilities kicked in after seeing Haleys Comet as a teen; previous to that he was just like every other humanoid life-form on Earth.




Tazer

In Quanchi's mind, Superboy prime is 3x as strong as Pre crises superman :/

Originally posted by llagrok
In Quanchi's mind, Superboy prime is 3x as strong as Pre crises superman :/ when did i say that.

Originally posted by starking
Hmm, not only are you a hypocrite, but your a copycat..


You want people to stay out of your business, yet you have the right to get in others?

And it's funny how you tell people to get off your back, after I tell you to do the same. i was reponding to what he said to me. u just jump in ther going all crazy sometimes telling me how bad you hate me and avoiding the comic book part of the discussion. dont go in threads u dont like. its common sense. u show up in them and whine how u hate them. stay out. i argue comics i dont tell people i hate them and wish theyd leave. please be mature here starking.

i have no problem with you,k.


you be well.

Mongul puts him in the energy cube that shrinks him and saps his powers

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Mongul puts him in the energy cube that shrinks him and saps his powers mongul puts him nowhere and doomsday shoots a bone out of him into his thorat, doomsday wins. hes to much.

Originally posted by quanchi112
mongul puts him nowhere and doomsday shoots a bone out of him into his thorat, doomsday wins. hes to much.
He is too much?
Why?
Just because you like him better?

Originally posted by Estacado
He is too much?
Why?
Just because you like him better? becuz ive seen what he is capable of. why do i have to be a fnboy. hell i have said doomsday could lose countless times before but now since i favor him im a fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
becuz ive seen what he is capable of. why do i have to be a fnboy. hell i have said doomsday could lose countless times before but now since i favor him im a fanboy.



So you say that H/P Doomsday could beat Pre-Crisis Superman?

Originally posted by Estacado
So you say that H/P Doomsday could beat Pre-Crisis Superman? is that the thread here? no it isnt. doomsday wins here. mongul dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
is that the thread here? no it isnt. doomsday wins here. mongul dies.

Originally posted by Estacado
do u know what thread you are in?

Harry Potter Doomsday pwns Mongul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
do u know what thread you are in?
I know....... but I see that you couldn't comprehend the meaning of my question you are either handicapped or you are just a 12 year old little kid.

Oh and Mongul wins with BFR.

H/P Doomsday...he'd evolve past every attack of Mongul...I've seen what PC Mongul could do...He's pwned the JLA...and the Legion of Superheroes with Supes before...but H/P Doomsday wasn't being stopped by anything...and was evolving incredibly quickly to anything...he'd win...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
H/P Doomsday...he'd evolve past every attack of Mongul...I've seen what PC Mongul could do...He's pwned the JLA...and the Legion of Superheroes with Supes before...but H/P Doomsday wasn't being stopped by anything...and was evolving incredibly quickly to anything...he'd win...
BFR.ermmfist

Originally posted by Estacado
BFR.ermmfist sorry friend but ur wrong as always. doomsday wins. hes to much for a plent of the new gods. i mean he curbstomped them. utter rape of ds and all his parademon pals. mongul dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
sorry friend but ur wrong as always. doomsday wins. hes to much for a plent of the new gods. i mean he curbstomped them. utter rape of ds and all his parademon pals. mongul dies.
Can you understand this is Pre-Crisis?
When did DD curbstomb the New Gods?
Also can you explain why can't Mongul bfr him?

what quanchi doesn't understand is the total power of pre-crisis beings. Doomsday..was NEVER...EVER a pre-crisis being...since he was created afterwards.

You wanna know how strong SBP is....well, he got punched out of the solar system by Validus....and Validus put Mon-El through a planet. Validus and Mongul>>>>>>>>>Mon-El or Superman, and SBP.

Pre-Crisis beings tow planets, galaxies. They can sneeze solar systems away. If Supes can sneeze one away....you damn well better believe Mongul could do the same. When has Doomsday been known to destroy solar systems or blow out stars like match sticks? When has Doomsday been able to tow multiple planets like nothing? NEVER

Don't get me wrong...I like DD a lot better than Mongul, but there is no freakin' way DD can hang with a pre-crisis being. Mongul could thump him with his index finger and send him into orbit....it's within his powerset to do so. It wouldn't matter if DD evolved or not...he'd be in orbit.

One more thing....DD was physically beaten to death by Post-Crisis superman...huh. How hard do you reckon pre-crisis Mongul would punch him?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
what quanchi doesn't understand is the total power of pre-crisis beings. Doomsday..was NEVER...EVER a pre-crisis being...since he was created afterwards.

You wanna know how strong SBP is....well, he got punched out of the solar system by Validus....and Validus put Mon-El through a planet. Validus and Mongul>>>>>>>>>Mon-El or Superman, and SBP.

Pre-Crisis beings tow planets, galaxies. They can sneeze solar systems away. If Supes can sneeze one away....you damn well better believe Mongul could do the same. When has Doomsday been known to destroy solar systems or blow out stars like match sticks? When has Doomsday been able to tow multiple planets like nothing? NEVER

Don't get me wrong...I like DD a lot better than Mongul, but there is no freakin' way DD can hang with a pre-crisis being. Mongul could thump him with his index finger and send him into orbit....it's within his powerset to do so. It wouldn't matter if DD evolved or not...he'd be in orbit.

One more thing....DD was physically beaten to death by Post-Crisis superman...huh. How hard do you reckon pre-crisis Mongul would punch him? doomsday gets more powerful as he faces more and more oppsition. he stalemated superman but fought him and was killing himand supes needed help. supes won becuz he always wins in dc. thats it. supes did man up and fight him while ds thought he was unbeatable. supes needed a motherbox and waverider and some luck for the win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
doomsday gets more powerful as he faces more and more oppsition. he stalemated superman but fought him and was killing himand supes needed help. supes won becuz he always wins in dc. thats it. supes did man up and fight him while ds thought he was unbeatable. supes needed a motherbox and waverider and some luck for the win.


doesn't matter...DD has never fought anyone on the level of a pre-crisis being....except Imperiex...and Imperiex killed DD in one blast.

Btw, Pre-Crisis Superman's crazier feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pre-Crisis Mongul... easily.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
doesn't matter...DD has never fought anyone on the level of a pre-crisis being....except Imperiex...and Imperiex killed DD in one blast.
Quanchi thinks that the Celestials could beat Mxy ,Anti-Monitor and Parallax at the same time.....

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
doesn't matter...DD has never fought anyone on the level of a pre-crisis being....except Imperiex...and Imperiex killed DD in one blast. ur comparing imperiex to mongul?

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, Pre-Crisis Superman's crazier feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pre-Crisis Mongul... easily.


maybe so...but, it's admitted on panel that Mongul is stronger.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
maybe so...but, it's admitted on panel that Mongul is stronger. ur reaching here. mongul loses as doomsday adapts to eevrything thrown his way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ur comparing imperiex to mongul?





what are you laughing about...you think Thanos can whip Imperiex.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
maybe so...but, it's admitted on panel that Mongul is stronger.

And that means shit. A lot of stupid things have been said on panel. 80's Superman was waning in terms of strength and overall power. Not a good way to compare him with Mongul in terms of overall history during the Pre-Crisis era.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ur reaching here. mongul loses as doomsday adapts to eevrything thrown his way.


reaching for what? DD sure didn't adapt to Superman killing him. He didn't adapt to Imperiex killing him. DS put Doomsday's ass down in H/P before he turned his back....and DD was knocked out for a few seconds.....and the current DS does not hit like a pre-crisis being.

How is DD adapting going to do him any good when all it takes is one punch to put DD in orbit? DD does not have the strength nor speed to take on Mongul. However, if DD was written earlier...in the pre-crisis days...with pre-crisis powers...he'd pwn Mongul anyday of the week. But, that's not the case here, is it?

Originally posted by batdude123
And that means shit. A lot of stupid things have been said on panel. 80's Superman was waning in terms of strength and overall power. Not a good way to compare him with Mongul in terms of overall history during the Pre-Crisis era.


You don't necessarily have to compare on panel feats to determine if someone is stronger. It is generally agreed that Thanos is stronger than Hulk...yet, Hulk has much better strength feats than Thanos has ever shown. The Omega and Validus have far less feats than pre-crisis Superman, yet no one doubts that they are far above Superman in terms of strength. The same goes with Mongul. Just because the writers have never shown Mongul performing these great strength feats doesn't mean that he is weaker than Superman.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You don't necessarily have to compare on panel feats to determine if someone is stronger. It is generally agreed that Thanos is stronger than Hulk...yet, Hulk has much better strength feats than Thanos has ever shown. The Omega and Validus have far less feats than pre-crisis Superman, yet no one doubts that they are far above Superman in terms of strength. The same goes with Mongul. Just because the writers have never shown Mongul performing these great strength feats doesn't mean that he is weaker than Superman.

The Superman Mongul fought wasn't actually as powerful as he was in the sixties and seventies. You don't need to lecture me about how direct comparisons hold more worth than strength feats by themselves. Early eighties Superman wasn't being written by LSD junkies anymore. There was a humongous difference.

In terms of overall impressiveness, power, etc, Pre-Crisis Superman>>>>>>Pre-C Mongul.

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
sorry friend but ur wrong as always. doomsday wins. hes to much for a plent of the new gods. i mean he curbstomped them. utter rape of ds and all his parademon pals. mongul dies.

thats a bit of a misnomer, as the "New Gods" DD fought were mostly the grunts of Apokolips, rather than a group like the Deep Six, or the Female Furies......or even the Hunger Dogs; the only recognizable person he fought was DS.

also, didnt E-2 Supes fight him and *manhandle* DD in a comic??




Tazer

Let me simplify this debate.
Can HP DD send a protrusion through Mongul's head?
Can HP DD do this before Mongul can respond?

If the answer is no to any one of those questions then it is feasible that Mongul can win due to BFR. So I will try to convince you all that both questions can be answered yes.

1. Even though P.C. Superman was a lot more powerful than Post Superman, his durability was roughly the same (feat wise). I would go as far as to say his durability was twice as great as Post Superman's (Even though comparative comic feats shows otherwise).

2. Wood is at least a thousand times stronger than liquid. Imagine the force needed to penetrate a wooden slab and then a liquid slap. I'm sure everyone would agree that a thousands times less the force and one will be still able to penetrate liquid.

3. DD protrusions went through Superman's shoulder like liquid. The sound that was made doing this was "thikt!" And the panel showed Superman's shoulder as of made out of liquid went it passed through.

4. Mongul's head is about as durable as P.C. Superman's. If not then then no more than two times more durable. Thus, by math, since Mongul's physical durability is no more than 4 times that of Post Superman then DD easily is able to penetrate his head with a protrusion send. For 4 times is much less than a thousand.

5. Mongul's reflexes are no more greater than Post Superman's. As he was never shown to have greater ones but only worst ones. The protrusion send by DD was so fast that Post Superman couldn't even respond. Thus Mongul wouldn't be able to respond the protrusions send either.

Thus DD wins this everytime.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let me simplify this debate.
Can HP DD send a protrusion through Mongul's head?
Can HP DD do this before Mongul can respond?

If the answer is no to any one of those questions then it is feasible that Mongul can win due to BFR. So I will try to convince you all that both questions can be answered yes.

1. Even though P.C. Superman was a lot more powerful than Post Superman, his durability was roughly the same (feat wise). I would go as far as to say his durability was twice as great as Post Superman's (Even though comparative comic feats shows otherwise).

2. Wood is at least a thousand times stronger than liquid. Imagine the force needed to penetrate a wooden slab and then a liquid slap. I'm sure everyone would agree that a thousands times less the force and one will be still able to penetrate liquid.

3. DD protrusions went through Superman's shoulder like liquid. The sound that was made doing this was "thikt!" And the panel showed Superman's shoulder as of made out of liquid went it passed through.

4. Mongul's head is about as durable as P.C. Superman's. If not then then no more than two times more durable. Thus, by math, since Mongul's physical durability is no more than 4 times that of Post Superman then DD easily is able to penetrate his head with a protrusion send. For 4 times is much less than a thousand.

5. Mongul's reflexes are no more greater than Post Superman's. As he was never shown to have greater ones but only worst ones. The protrusion send by DD was so fast that Post Superman couldn't even respond. Thus Mongul wouldn't be able to respond the protrusions send either.

Thus DD wins this everytime. for once i agree with you. doomsday adapts and conquers mongul. simple as pie.