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There has been a lot of confusion as to who the top top is over in dc. Lets finish this once and for all.

Here's the list.

Presence,Great Evil Beast,Spectre,Classic Ion,Lucifer,Mr. Mxy,Ultimator,Parallax,Anti Monitor,Elaine,Michael.

No this isnt my order i just want to see who wins this here. You only have to name the top five beings from this list in order of greatest to least greatest. There are no ties. This battle is all about supremacy.

Presence=GEB. The rest are inconsequential.

Well... this is original...

Its like in Marvel having 2 creators (dumb) and asking whos more powerful??

Originally posted by kevdude
Its like in Marvel having 2 creators (dumb) and asking whos more powerful?? nver said mxy destroyed everything in dc. everything i would assume would also mean eevryone.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Presence=GEB. The rest are inconsequential. so whos number one?

are u saying dc has no supreme being. no head honcho.

If it wouldn't have been quanchi who asked I would have probably done it

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If it wouldn't have been quanchi who asked I would have probably done it

Co-Signed

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Co-Signed nver whos second under mr mxy to u. u said mxy can destory everything and presence is everything basically. so under mr mxy who is next according to u?

nver mind nver. u already basically told me. u think mr mxy is first and then destiny is second becuz he wrote everyones fates. so presence be must be third right? or is it geb?

Originally posted by quanchi112
nver mind nver. u already basically told me. u think mr mxy is first and then destiny is second becuz he wrote everyones fates. so presence be must be third right? or is it geb?
IS anyone taking you seriously? NO. YOu dont' even know how to take what I said in context of what we were arguing about. YOu are trying to formulate an argument based upon something I didn't say. Unless I said Mxy is 2nd to God, then your entire argument is rediculous as I never said such thing. Stop trying to extrapolate a thesis of what I think based upon how you view my arguments. Your view is skewed.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IS anyone taking you seriously? NO. YOu dont' even know how to take what I said in context of what we were arguing about. YOu are trying to formulate an argument based upon something I didn't say. Unless I said Mxy is 2nd to God, then your entire argument is rediculous as I never said such thing. Stop trying to extrapolate a thesis of what I think based upon how you view my arguments. Your view is skewed. my view isnt skewed at all. i call it how i see it. u urself admitted being dc biased. u wont say who is most powerful. and ur opinion changes all the time so who do u think is the baddest sob in all the dc universe.

is it multipresence(presence just shares apsects of himself in all the dc universe right but is connected to a multipresence right?),is it mr mxy(whom u said destroyed everything then recanted and said everything but not everything,only the characters in that story),is it elaine who u said is god now,is it geb?

who is the baddest nver. enquiring minds would like to know.

Gog from Kingdom

Everyone else

Originally posted by Estacado
Gog from Kingdom

Everyone else that would be an interesting viewpoint if it were true.

im sure with u its classic ion right?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Presence=GEB. The rest are inconsequential.
Wrong!

Presence >> Yahweh = UL + GEB

Presence >> Elaine? = (Yahweh) > GEB = (UL) > Lucifer > Michael > Spectre > Ultimator > Anti-Monitor > Mxyzptlk > Ion > Parallax

Something like that I think.

Oh, I'll report the ones ruining the thread just an fyi.

1. Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine
3. Lucifer/Michael
4. Ultimator
5. Spectre
6. Mxy
7. Ion
8. Anti - Monitor

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Presence=GEB. The rest are inconsequential.

Wrong.

Batman > Presence = Great Evil Beast

Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine
3. Lucifer/Michael
4. Ultimator
5. Spectre
6. Mxy
7. Ion
8. Anti - Monitor
You're using Vertigo's Presence, an avatar to whish is refered to as Yahweh.
He is not supreme, and he's GEB/UL combinded.

Vertigo Presence is the same as the main DCU Presence

Originally posted by Soljer
Wrong.

Batman > Presence = Great Evil Beast
What about Gog from kingdom who oneshoted Mxy?

Originally posted by Estacado
What about Gog from kingdom who oneshoted Mxy?

He's not quite on Batman's level, my friend.

Originally posted by Soljer
He's not quite on Batman's level, my friend.
Can he be the 2nd on the list or Bruce's new sidekick?313

Originally posted by Estacado
Can he be the 2nd on the list or Bruce's new sidekick?313

He can spit-shine bruce's boots.

That's about as high as it gets.

1. Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine
3. Spectre
4. Lucifer/Michael
5. Ultimator
6. Ion
7. Anti-monitor
8. Mxy

I fixed it for ya

Originally posted by Estacado
What about Gog from kingdom who oneshoted Mxy? mxy wouldnt lose to gog if he knew about him but the oneshot still shows that as allpowerful as he is he can still be oneshotted by someone like gog.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine
3. Lucifer/Michael
4. Ultimator
5. Spectre
6. Mxy
7. Ion
8. Anti - Monitor there are no ties. the whole point of this was to demonstrate or to find a supreme being for dc. but i guess there really isnt one.

*rolls eyes*

Not having a singular, by definition, omnipotent takes nothing away from the presence.

Originally posted by Soljer
*rolls eyes*

Not having a singular, by definition, omnipotent takes nothing away from the presence. takes away his supremacy but ur not nothing else. hes not almightly by hmiself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
takes away his supremacy but ur not nothing else. hes not almightly by hmiself.




It doesn't take away his comparison to the one above all. Just means there are TWO beings in DC that are comparable to the one above all.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
1. Presence/Great Evil Beast
2. Elaine
3. Spectre
4. Lucifer/Michael
5. Ultimator
6. Ion
7. Anti-monitor
8. Mxy

I fixed it for ya
So you're stating that the Presence isn't supreme, am I right?

Originally posted by Soljer
It doesn't take away his comparison to the one above all. Just means there are TWO beings in DC that are comparable to the one above all. no TOAA is off panel. im comparing beings on panel who are supreme and cannopt lose or be stalemated.

thanos with the heart rings a bell while the presence doesnt make this exclusive club,


dont be beiased my friend. dc doesnt have a supreme being while marvel does.

Originally posted by Soljer
It doesn't take away his comparison to the one above all. Just means there are TWO beings in DC that are comparable to the one above all.
Of course it would.
The-One-Above-All can do anything.
GEB cannot erease the Presence - Limitation.

The Presene and the GEB are both part of the same being

Originally posted by Astner
Of course it would.
The-One-Above-All can do anything.
GEB cannot erease the Presence - Limitation.

hes just showing his dc bias.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The Presene and the GEB are both part of the same being
So you're saying that the Presence is not supreme, but just an aspect of a greater being that is?

Originally posted by quanchi112


hes just showing his dc bias.
The way to get them confused (the way to change their mind) is to ask them questions about their theories, which will ultimately make one insecure.

If ANYTHING, I'm actually marvel biased. Not the point.

The point is, the one above all would also be incapable of erasing the presence.

Just like the presence is incapable of erasing the one above all.

Just like they're all incapable of erasing the Man of Miracles (assuming he's actually supreme.)

Originally posted by Astner
The way to get them confused (the way to change their mind) is to ask them questions about their theories, which will ultimately make one insecure. its funny cuz as much as they scream out loud ur wrong they have t admit thanos was supreme and the presence wasnt. one being crushed the competition while one has a direct equal....

Originally posted by Soljer
If ANYTHING, I'm actually marvel biased. Not the point.

The point is, the one above all would also be incapable of erasing the presence.

Just like the presence is incapable of erasing the one above all.

Just like they're all incapable of erasing the Man of Miracles (assuming he's actually supreme.) TOAA isnt being discussed here and we are only talking about comic book characters and not writers. on panel dc has no supreme being just as i thought. was hoping someone could prove me wrong but alas i was right.

Originally posted by Soljer
If ANYTHING, I'm actually marvel biased. Not the point.
No you're not, but truem it's not the point.


1. You have to accept that they live in different fictions, so there is really no evidence supporting it--it's just speculation.
2. The-One-Above-All has no panel limitations, GEB has.
- Hm ...


Same as above.


Feats > Statements

Originally posted by Astner
No you're not, but truem it's not the point.


1. You have to accept that they live in different fictions, so there is really no evidence supporting it--it's just speculation.
2. The-One-Above-All has no panel limitations, GEB has.
- Hm ...


Same as above.


Feats > Statements nice ownage.

I AM marvel biased...I read far more marvel than DC, and prefer Marvel over dc on the whole. . How exactly you'd be able to guess which company I prefer, considering you have no idea who the **** I am...

Anywho; the one above all has even fewer feats than the presence, considering he's never even been seen on panel. doped.

Um The One above all has been seen on panel. Kirby Avatar anyone?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um The One above all has been seen on panel. Kirby Avatar anyone? its settled dc has no supreme being. this angers me that dc would do this to all of us fans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
its settled dc has no supreme being. this angers me that dc would do this to all of us fans.



Nah they do have a supreme being its just you don't or refuse to understand it, and just won't let it go!

Originally posted by kevdude
Nah they do have a supreme being its just you don't or refuse to understand it, and just won't let it go! supreme means ur above everyone else.

as u can see i proved my point. notice the ties.

of course u didnt becuz u love dc and want to say they have as many supreme dc beings as they want.

Originally posted by quanchi112
supreme means ur above everyone else.

as u can see i proved my point. notice the ties.

of course u didnt becuz u love dc and want to say they have as many supreme dc beings as they want.



So does Adam or Thanos stating "I am Supreme" with the IG mean they are above everything in Marvel? No? ok got that taken care of. Now when has Thanos w/thotu ever said he was Eternal and Forever? Never and never showed it on panel either. Seeing Thanos was still VERY indecisive and Adam once again had to show up, he was not all that like you claim. And you knew about the Jack kirby being showing to be TOAA/God in F4 so why act like you never knew about it?? And no that is not an avatar of him, so silly to think a real human being can put a part of himself in a comic...

Originally posted by kevdude
So does Adam or Thanos stating "I am Supreme" with the IG mean they are above everything in Marvel? No? ok got that taken care of. Now when has Thanos w/thotu ever said he was Eternal and Forever? Never and never showed it on panel either. Seeing Thanos was still VERY indecisive and Adam once again had to show up, he was not all that like you claim. And you knew about the Jack kirby being showing to be TOAA/God in F4 so why act like you never knew about it?? And no that is not an avatar of him, so silly to think a real human being can put a part of himself in a comic... so eternal and forever means u are supreme. that doesnt seem to go along with the definition. i dont know about this ff4 stuff anfd why are we talking about it. the man jack kirby has passed and we wont see his character again. hes a real life person and shouldnt be compared with fictional characters. all this writer stuff has got to end.

doesnt matter if thanos was indecisiive. lt is second only to the TOAA, the writer so pn panel let is the most powerful being in comics until changed in the future. thanos took out everyone at once with ease. until the presence defeats the geb he will never be supreme, i have seen scans proving that he isnt supreme. so give it a rest he has an equal while thanos doesnt.

understand now? good.


no one in dc could match thanos with the heart, no one. its not my fault its dc's. i am not biased i am going by facts here.

Originally posted by kevdude
So does Adam or Thanos stating "I am Supreme" with the IG
mean they are above everything in Marvel? No?

The IG makes one God, beneath the LT.

THOTI makes one God above the LT. (which means, above all)


God/Toaa create & draw these Marvel facts for us to read in Marvel comics,
that's how Marvel has it set up.

The entire Marvel Universe (Omniverse) - THOTI - LT and everything else,
is nothing but a drawing on a piece of paper to God/Toaa.


This is why categorizing God/Toaa from FF#511
with ANYTHING that occurs on panel, is ludicrous.
It's like pinning the Real World Artists & Writers against their drawings.

Originally posted by kevdude
Now when has Thanos w/thotu ever said he was Eternal and Forever? Never

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9954/th17wg4.th.jpg
"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I Now am,
did you ever dare demand anything from Him"



Unless you're assuming,
that Marvel's Supreme Being isn't "Eternal and Forever"

Originally posted by kevdude
and never showed it on panel either.

What do you mean? (his Eternal & Forever status?)

Thanos wasn't meant to keep that status,
Jim Starlin can't make Thanos TOAA forever,
so obviously Thanos had to give up his position as God Almighty.

But Thanos WAS God!

God Almighty as in the Supreme Being of Marvel.

Originally posted by kevdude
Seeing Thanos was still VERY indecisive

???

Originally posted by kevdude
and Adam once again had to show up,

"Had to?"

???

In any case, Adam showing up means nothing.

And it surely does not demean Thanos' Supremacy.

Originally posted by kevdude
he was not all that like you claim.

Thanos WAS God!

God Almighty as in the Supreme Being of Marvel.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/500/th18br2.th.jpg

"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...

my Will is Supreme"

Originally posted by kevdude
And you knew about the Jack kirby being showing to be TOAA/God
in F4 so why act like you never knew about it??

That isn't Jack Kirby, or a representation of him or anything of the like.

That was a representation of the Artists of Marvel,
the Artists (God) have "Collaborators" (Writers)

That's it.

Originally posted by kevdude
And no that is not an avatar of him,
so silly to think a real human being can put a part of himself in a comic...

It may be silly, but that's exactly what that was meant to be.

Don't worry about it...

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Don't worry about it...

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/240/lucifer75p34py1un2.th.jpg

Presence: True I am infinite and eternal. But even I was shaped by forces external to me . You know what they are.

wehehe... they're coming... next thing you know there will be the Apostles lead by John the Baptist...

Originally posted by Astner
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/240/lucifer75p34py1un2.th.jpg

Presence: True I am infinite and eternal. But even I was shaped by forces external to me . You know what they are. WAS Shaped. Not being shaped. Not in control of.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WAS Shaped. Not being shaped. Not in control of. presnece isnt supreme. it must hurt to know everything u have believed in was a lie. im sorry.



why diid dc do this to the presence. why???why????

dammit they should retcon this cuz it makes me sick as to why they dont someone who is clearly supreme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
presnece isnt supreme. it must hurt to know everything u have believed in was a lie. im sorry.



why diid dc do this to the presence. why???why????

dammit they should retcon this cuz it makes me sick as to why they dont someone who is clearly supreme.

Quan, That is of course the presence from Vertigo. Which isn't the presence of DC. your argument fails. pathetic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quan, That is of course the presence from Vertigo. Which isn't the presence of DC. your argument fails. pathetic. king kandy panwed u as they are the same. sorry but its true. king kandy pawned u with this when he told u it wa s adc book with the geb.

its a shame but there is only one presence and he isnt supreme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
king kandy panwed u as they are the same. sorry but its true. king kandy pawned u with this when he told u it wa s adc book with the geb.

its a shame but there is only one presence and he isnt supreme.
Fail
Vertigo is not canon to Dc.
Go learn some about comics.

Vertigo is canon to DC.

DC fanboy community civil war.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Vertigo is canon to DC. he owned u estcado. please know what u are talking about next time.


owned in the very next post.

out ofall the people who post on here i think u understand the least and know the least. ur comic book knowledge makes me laugh.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Vertigo is canon to DC.
No it's not.

Originally posted by Estacado
No it's not.

Yes it is. Even in the current Brave and the Bold arc, they're trying to find Destiny's book.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes it is. Even in the current Brave and the Bold arc, they're trying to find Destiny's book. read it and weep estacado/

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Although many of the initial Vertigo publications were set in the DC Universe (Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, The Books of Magic, The Sandman, etc.), progressively they have been disconnected from the DCU, leaving the "superheroes" out. Because of this, the continuity with the DC titles is unclear.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um The One above all has been seen on panel. Kirby Avatar anyone?

Do you understand the concept of breaking the fourth wall?

Originally posted by Estacado
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Although many of the initial Vertigo publications were set in the DC Universe (Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, The Books of Magic, The Sandman, etc.), progressively they have been disconnected from the DCU, leaving the "superheroes" out. Because of this, the continuity with the DC titles is unclear. same universe....sorry but they have interracted before and are same universe.

Presence/ GEB
Elaine
Micheal/Lucifer
Cosmic Extant
The Endless
Ultimator
Darksied w/ ALE

you guys are so marvel bias. When i tried to prove how powe the Phantom stranger is using the GEB story and Vertigo you guys said that vertigo was not canon but now you guys are using the same story to prove that the presence is not supreme.
and another thing Yaweh is greater than GEB and if you were following the vertigo story you will already know that.
GEB= the Voice which was the same as the Ultimate Light.
The Great Darkness + the Ultimate Light = Yaweh

Originally posted by quanchi112
same universe....sorry but they have interracted before and are same universe.
It's not canon to Dc.

1) Batman



everything else doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Priest
1) Batman



everything else doesn't matter.

You are correct sir!

Originally posted by hunbu04
and another thing Yaweh is greater than GEB and if you were following the vertigo story you will already know that.
GEB= the Voice which was the same as the Ultimate Light.
The Great Darkness + the Ultimate Light = Yaweh
And, Yahweh/Presence says.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2337/lalyx7.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
1) Batman



everything else doesn't matter.

A little late. I believe that joke was made like eight pages ago.

^ I thought 8 lightyears ago... wehehe

Originally posted by Estacado
It's not canon to Dc.
yes it is. face the facts. u cant have it both ways. its canon, so deal and accept.

So, the Presence is infinite, Astner?

Oh god....the idiocy the steams from this thread.

The Overseers are definitely up there.

Originally posted by Astner
And, Yahweh/Presence says.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2337/lalyx7.jpg

What forces are those?

Originally posted by cloud102
What forces are those?
Not confirmed, and speculation is beneath me.