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smith as he overtook the oracle in his most powerful form vs darth vader in his prime.


fight takes place in the matix who wins this?

The force may be too powerful for Agent Smith.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
The force may be too powerful for Agent Smith. smith is the force in the matrix. hes way to powerful as the oracle. way to powerful. vader cant even beat obi wan. vader gets waxed.

there is no way in my mind vader can take out smith. hes far to powerful.

Another Matrix vs Star Wars thread?
Smith can beat Neo and Yoda can beat Vader so how the hack can Vader beat Smith?

Originally posted by vader11
Another Matrix vs Star Wars thread?
Smith can beat Neo and Yoda can beat Vader so how the hack can Vader beat Smith? i guess vader cant. smith is to much. vader barley survived his first encounter with dooku or his first fight with obi wan.

someone was always there to save his ass.

Smith is equal to or > Neo > Yoda > Vader.

Originally posted by vader11
Smith is equal to or > Neo > Yoda > Vader. yeah i dont know about smith being equal to or greater than neo. i think the only way neo was to win and trick smith was to give up and create the illsuion that smith had won. i think he was setting smith up.


one on one i think neo could have beaten him if thats all he had to do. he couldnt truly defeat smith becuz he copied everyone in the system.

Neo lost to Smith at the end of the movie(without the help of other Smiths), Smith lost at last because he copied Neo.

Originally posted by vader11
Neo lost to Smith at the end of the movie(without the help of other Smiths), Smith lost at last because he copied Neo. yes i know what happened. but if neo beat smith it would accomplish nothing. the other smiths would overwhelm him. he let him copy him becuz that was the one way to truly defeat him.



do u get what i am saying now.

he let him believe he beat him so as to fool him into defeating him the only way he truly could.

I know we have the same oppinion.

Originally posted by vader11
I know we have the same oppinion. u agree as well that neo was holding back and could have beaten him.

thats cool. becuz it only makes sense that even if neo won it would have won him one victory and not a damn thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
u agree as well that neo was holding back and could have beaten him.

thats cool. becuz it only makes sense that even if neo won it would have won him one victory and not a damn thing. No! I never said neo was holding back and could have beaten Smith. Smith overpowered neo in the movie. Smith takes over the whole matrix and I believe no one can beat him, include neo.

Originally posted by vader11
No! I never said neo was holding back and could have beaten Smith. Smith overpowered neo in the movie. Smith takes over the whole matrix and I believe no one can beat him, include neo. i think neo let him win becuz it was the only way to destroy smith. neo could have defeated the oracle smith as neo was the anomaly but this victory would have been hollow and won nothing. neo could have been overwhelmed right after defeating this smith. neo had to sell his defeat.

which he did for the only way to delete the program smith.

There's no way neo can defeat smtih unless the way he did in the movie. In hand to hand fight, smith BEATS neo(watch the movie again). After a long fighting, neo realized he could no way to defeat smith, so he let smith to copy him, the ONLY way he can destroy smith. Also, if other smiths come to join the fight, neo can no way beat them.

Originally posted by vader11
There's no way neo can defeat smtih unless the way he did in the movie. In hand to hand fight, smith BEATS neo(watch the movie again). After a long fighting, neo realized he could no way to defeat smith, so he let smith to copy him, the ONLY way he can destroy smith. Also, if other smiths come to join the fight, neo can no way beat them. yes i know this was the only way to truly defeat him.

but i think if neo wanted to he could have beaten the oracle copying smith. he pretended to be hopeless and was holding back imo.

Maybe he was holding back at the last minute of their fight, but in general, he wasn't holding back at tall! If he hold back at the beginning, he can just let smith to beat him and copy him in the first 3 mins. And there's no way he could beat all other smiths at the same time. Neo is at best equal to smith.

Originally posted by vader11
Maybe he was holding back at the last minute of their fight, but in general, he wasn't holding back at tall! If he hold back at the beginning, he can just let smith to beat him and copy him in the first 3 mins. And there's no way he could beat all other smiths at the same time. Neo is at best equal to smith. he was going blow for blow with smith. but i feel neo had to sell a defeat. he couldnt just let smith copy him or he could really know it was a trick. he had to sell despair and hoplelessness.

neo>smith one on one.

hes the anomaly.

Have you watch the movie? Smith was also the anonaly! He was the opposite of neo. Smith must be at least equal to neo one on one, have you watch the movie? Smith was said to be Neo's equal! He was the only person who can beat neo. By the end of the movie after smith has taken control of the matrix, he may be even a little above neo. Smith's ability was beyond that of neo, he can set the weather and place. I see no reason neo was holding back. I can say smith was holding back too! If you still arguing neo was holding back and neo> smith, just go watch the movie again. I won't argue with you anymore.

Smith>neo.

Originally posted by vader11
Smith is equal to or > Neo > Yoda > Vader.
yep

Originally posted by vader11
Have you watch the movie? Smith was also the anonaly! He was the opposite of neo. Smith must be at least equal to neo one on one, have you watch the movie? Smith was said to be Neo's equal! He was the only person who can beat neo. By the end of the movie after smith has taken control of the matrix, he may be even a little above neo. Smith's ability was beyond that of neo, he can set the weather and place. I see no reason neo was holding back. I can say smith was holding back too! If you still arguing neo was holding back and neo> smith, just go watch the movie again. I won't argue with you anymore.

Smith>neo. no.. neo was still greater than smith. but he couldnt defeat all the smiths. smith was the anoamly while smith could copy everyone in the matrix. his ability made him more powerful becuz of sheer numbers. when he copied the oracle he copied one powerful program that neo was still more powerful than. its just neo had to let smith win to truly defeat the smith program.

neo sold his loss to truly trick and defeat smith.

Where did it say neo wasn't trying his best and he let smith to win? Please show proof! It is your OPINION only! He let him to copy him because it is the ONLY way to kill him! Otherwise, neo CANNOT beat smith in ANY other ways! Yet smith can beat neo! Also, numbers are also count for power. By the end, Smith has taken control of the matrix, while neo WASN'T! He had more control of the matrix than neo did. Smith can set the place, weather, etc. Can neo do this? So, Smith>neo. Please don't argue again. I would NEVER change my mind to say neo is better.

as the oracle said, smith is neo. smith is neo's opposite. neither one could trump each other. neo had to sacrifice himself to save the humans. if neo hadn't let smith copy over him, they would still be fighting right now.

Originally posted by super pr*xy
as the oracle said, smith is neo. smith is neo's opposite. neither one could trump each other. neo had to sacrifice himself to save the humans. if neo hadn't let smith copy over him, they would still be fighting right now. Exactly! Smith IS neo. They are about the same. So NO WAY neo is better! If I really have to choose the better one, I would choose smith as he can copy people and he has taken control of the matrix. He can set the place, weather, etc, neo CANNOT.

Originally posted by quanchi112
no.. neo was still greater than smith. but he couldnt defeat all the smiths. smith was the anoamly while smith could copy everyone in the matrix. his ability made him more powerful becuz of sheer numbers. when he copied the oracle he copied one powerful program that neo was still more powerful than. its just neo had to let smith win to truly defeat the smith program.

neo sold his loss to truly trick and defeat smith.

No, no, no...smith is at least equal to or greater than neo!

Originally posted by vader11
Where did it say neo wasn't trying his best and he let smith to win? Please show proof! It is your OPINION only! He let him to copy him because it is the ONLY way to kill him! Otherwise, neo CANNOT beat smith in ANY other ways! Yet smith can beat neo! Also, numbers are also count for power. By the end, Smith has taken control of the matrix, while neo WASN'T! He had more control of the matrix than neo did. Smith can set the place, weather, etc. Can neo do this? So, Smith>neo. Please don't argue again. I would NEVER change my mind to say neo is better. smith copied and took over every phase of the matrix. but neo was the one and couldnt be defeated in the matrix one on one. neo>one smith any smith.

Originally posted by Kenobiwan
No, no, no...smith is at least equal to or greater than neo! other way around.

Originally posted by quanchi112
smith copied and took over every phase of the matrix. but neo was the one and couldnt be defeated in the matrix one on one. neo>one smith any smith. Stop repeating the same arguement. If you say neo cannot be beaten one on one, then Smith also cannot be beaten one on one too! If you disagree, please show PROOF that smith can be beaten by neo, if not, then SHUT UP! Smith is just the opposite of Neo so they are the same(it is FACT)! end of story. And other of smiths are also smith and they would beat neo.
So STOP arguing neo>smith! If you continue to argue people would think you are a neo fanboy and you will be shamed for arguing against fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
smith copied and took over every phase of the matrix. but neo was the one and couldnt be defeated in the matrix one on one except smith. neo<one smith any smith. Yes, that's true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
smith copied and took over every phase of the matrix. but neo was the one and couldnt be defeated in the matrix one on one. neo>one smith any smith. Yeah, as many people said before, it is a fact that neo is equal to smith so there is no reason to argue about it. If you still say neo>smith then you are an idiot.

Originally posted by Kenobiwan
Yeah, as many people said before, it is a fact that neo is equal to smith so there is no reason to argue about it. If you still say neo>smith then you are an idiot. one on one he was. he let smith copy him. he sold his loss to fool smith. he sold his hopelessness. smith couldnt be stopped in the matrix and copied everyone. if it was one on one and thats that neo would prevail.

Originally posted by vader11
Stop repeating the same arguement. If you say neo cannot be beaten one on one, then Smith also cannot be beaten one on one too! If you disagree, please show PROOF that smith can be beaten by neo, if not, then SHUT UP! Smith is just the opposite of Neo so they are the same(it is FACT)! end of story. And other of smiths are also smith and they would beat neo.
So STOP arguing neo>smith! If you continue to argue people would think you are a neo fanboy and you will be shamed for arguing against fact. this is my opinion. i dont care what others think. this is what i think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
this is my opinion. i dont care what others think. this is what i think. Finally you admit that neo>smith is just your opinion, so that's NOT a fact.
Therefore people here don't need to care about what you think too. If you THINK neo>smith, then other people can say smith>neo too since that's their opinion.
I also doubt why you make this silly thread, since smith would beat vader without much problem(you agree too) and you don't care about what others think.

Originally posted by vader11
Have you watch the movie? Smith was also the anonaly! He was the opposite of neo. Smith must be at least equal to neo one on one, have you watch the movie? Smith was said to be Neo's equal! He was the only person who can beat neo. By the end of the movie after smith has taken control of the matrix, he may be even a little above neo. Smith's ability was beyond that of neo, he can set the weather and place. I see no reason neo was holding back. I can say smith was holding back too! If you still arguing neo was holding back and neo> smith, just go watch the movie again. I won't argue with you anymore.

Smith>neo. i disagree. smith's copying ability is what made him unstoppable. he ruined the matrix and couldnt be stopped. it took neo to sell a loss to fool smith into being erased. if neo won that battle it would have gained him nothing.

neo>smith

Originally posted by quanchi112
i disagree. smith's copying ability is what made him unstoppable. he ruined the matrix and couldnt be stopped. it took neo to sell a loss to fool smith into being erased. if neo won that battle it would have gained him nothing.

neo>smith Stop you idiot!!! Why you quoted the same thing once again and repeating the same arguement!!! The only thing you have said was just "neo selling his lost" without any proof to support it. You simply know nothing about debate. Go back to school, kid. If you don't have any new agruement then SHUT UP you neo fanboy! If you have you own opinion, others can have too! And please proof smith would be beaten by neo. And please proof neo let smith win. I can say smith let neo beat him too! If other smith helps, neo would be beaten in 0.001 seconds! And yeah, you agree that smith is unstoppable, that's make him>neo. It is a FACT that neo = smith. And FACTS>your shit opinion! Now SHUT UP and STOP quoting the same commment and repeating your SHIT opinion once again!

btw, I saw that you have just registered for 4 months and already have >13000 posts, which means you are really an idiot who has nothing else to do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
neo>smith other way around.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i disagree. smith's copying ability is what made him unstoppable. he ruined the matrix and couldnt be stopped. it took neo to sell a loss to fool smith into being erased. if neo won that battle it would have gained him nothing.

neo>smith
smith>neo.>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.smith>neo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
this is my opinion. i dont care what others think. this is what i think. okay, then smith>neo is my opimion, and I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

Smith kills.

Originally posted by vader11
Have you watch the movie? Smith was also the anonaly! He was the opposite of neo. Smith must be at least equal to neo one on one, have you watch the movie? Smith was said to be Neo's equal! He was the only person who can beat neo. By the end of the movie after smith has taken control of the matrix, he may be even a little above neo. Smith's ability was beyond that of neo, he can set the weather and place. I see no reason neo was holding back. I can say smith was holding back too! If you still arguing neo was holding back and neo> smith, just go watch the movie again. I won't argue with you anymore.

Smith>neo.

Wrong. Neo=Smith. Plain and simple.

Oh and Smith would destroy Vader in an instant. It's pretty obvious.

Lol...SW noobs...Vader Force Chokes him and kills him...he Force Choked someone lightyears away.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Lol...SW noobs...Vader Force Chokes him and kills him...he Force Choked someone lightyears away. No, you are wrong! Smith would pwn vader very easily! When did vader choke someone lightyears away? Proof it!
Oh, you can't proof it beacuse you are an idiot and that's why you got banned.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Lol...SW noobs...Vader Force Chokes him and kills him...he Force Choked someone lightyears away.

I don't think so, mate.

vader

Vader force choked the admiral during the hoth battle.

Neo is a human being with free will, smith is a computer program, this could explain why neo was able to win, all other things being as they were in the movie.

if smith gets clsoe enough...cant he make a darth smith....thatd be so sick

Smith is way too fast and strong for Vader.

In terms of flying speed, Neo's top speed was mach 3.4, so Smith is around there. And in terms of reflexes and fighting speed, they are clearly much slower. Strength? They hardly have any real strength feats, they are class 3 at best from what is actually seen of them, and their durability is nothing a lightsaber cannot handle.

Vader can just TK rape ftw, easily. He can crush Smith with a gesture.

smith rapes vader with his lightsaber till hes screaming to be in the new trilogy so he can escape.

Even though there is no actual evidence that he can?

Kay.

No one in the Matrix can beat a SW user unless they have he ability to like.. not die, like Neo.

Smith couldn't harm Vader, who would simply order a fleet of star destroyers to destroy the robot city and the Matrix with it... Smith would be destroyed.

Smith...

Smith stomps . This thread should be locked now .

Vader in his prime should win.