Empiror in ESB

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coolmovies
Ok in ESB (cinema version ) a woman played the empror later it was changed to a man ! can someoe tell me why ?

General G
Because the Emperor is a guy...

Ushgarak
It was effectively played by a man- Clive Revill did the voice and got the credit (and noted that because of that few minutes' work he still receives fan male about it decades on).

I seem to remember that a woman's face and a chimpanzee (or some similar arrangement) were combined to make the original image shown. But basically, the Emperor was always played by a guy.

queeq
He was supposed to be male anyway.

General G
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It was effectively played by a man- Clive Revill did the voice and got the credit (and noted that because of that few minutes' work he still receives fan male about it decades on).

I seem to remember that a woman's face and a chimpanzee (or some similar arrangement) were combined to make the original image shown. But basically, the Emperor was always played by a guy.

I heard the monkey thing before.

JediRobin23
Why use a women in the first place? Did Lucas or Kershner pick up some bum off the street or something?

Council#13
Originally posted by JediRobin23
Why use a women in the first place? Did Lucas or Kershner pick up some bum off the street or something?

General G
Maybe she was wrinklier.

chewy16
I always liked the original Emperor in the ESB hologram, much more haunting, and a bit more spirtual. I still think McDiarmid did a great job in ROTJ, and never found the difference between those two actors any problem when I watched the OT for years.

I find the new ESB Emperor (McDiarmid) in the SE, a bit cheesy, and I just don't know what it is, but so much shit that Lucas did in the PT and SE just come off as cheesy. The worst is the new song (Jedi Rocks) added in ROTJ in Jabbas palace, that just takes you right out of the movie!

General G
Definately, the SE was bad...

queeq
I think the original ESB emperor had a more haunting quality to him... For some reason McDiarmid gave his least impressive performance in the new ESB as Emperor...

coolmovies
The SE Emperor is the same in all six films !! Anyway before he talks what does vader stand on ? its a round thing which lights up and makes a sound too .

queeq
It's a nice little stage, with lights and makes sound too.

Captain REX
Basically. Plus, I'm guessing that the Emperor was watching Vader's hologram on his end of things. That likely put Vader in the spotlight for the hologram to be made...or something.

queeq
I think it's more likely that it is a major hologram projector or something.

General G
That's pretty big.

queeq
Vader's a big man.

General G
Famous and tall.

queeq
Oh yes.

General G
But can he be considered tall when his suit adds to it?

Darth Subjekt
would you tell him he's not? haha, I wouldn't!!

queeq
laughing out loud

Well, Vader inculdes the suit.... What you wanna do? Ask him to take it off? I'll leave you two to it.

Darth Subjekt
Nah, that's ok, I'll pass...

queeq
hehehe

Darth Subjekt
I'd rather call the Emperor a little girl...or tell him his face looks like my nut sack...

fascistcrusader
I didn't have a problem with the Emperor in the original ESB, but I like continuity so I prefer Ian in the SE.



You might want to have a doctor check that out...

Darth Subjekt
Yea i know its weird...sometimes they sit there and start screaming "power...unlimited power!" and start shooting...well nevermind...

There's a couple things I like better about Clive, but Ian is just the man, and he IS the emperor, so it flows...

queeq
Yup... except for that odd growling after his face ws melted. That was.... obscure.

General G
I was rather creeped out about that.

Darth Subjekt
All of his expressions and "moans" during that battle...hissing and shit...creepy indeed.

General G
I was referring to after he shocked Mace out of the window, he kind of growled...

Darth Subjekt
No, I know. I was just saying that all his faces and noises he was making during the fight were creepy and odd.

queeq
Originally posted by General G
I was referring to after he shocked Mace out of the window, he kind of growled...

Very strange that... Didn't like it very much. He didn't do any of that in ROTJ.

Darth Subjekt
his pimp hand was way strong in ROTJ...he didnt need too. But in ROTS, Mace's pimp hand was stronger.

queeq
Uuhhh.... what?!

General G
Um...pimp hand?

Darth Subjekt
you dont know about the pimp hand? oh its way strong.

queeq
Yyyy..... eah..... right.

coolmovies
I was just watching ESB SE on tv and i saw the old Empiror !!! . but everyting else was the same ! is this another change by GL ?
Going back to the old empiror ?

Sesse
No. He was a poser. The real one died during ROTJ post-production.

General G
He looked creepy all the time, it didn't make much difference to me.

coolmovies
the first one is more hunting

queeq
Haunting I suppose.

General G
Hunting makes little sense.

I wouldn't say haunting is a good word for it either though...

Sadako of Girth
Nah I saw that too, Cool Movies, they were the '97 SE versions...
(so many annoying things in that, Jedi Rocks, Monkey Emporer, Crap Jabba in ANH etc)

ITV should show the DVD version instead.

queeq
Or the OOT.

Sadako of Girth
Yep. I'd make the time for that. smile

Kazenji
Originally posted by coolmovies
Ok in ESB (cinema version ) a woman played the empror later it was changed to a man ! can someoe tell me why ?

Found this on IMDB

queeq
Sounds about right.

General G
Hehe, I knew about that.

queeq
Yeah, sure.

General G
You don't believe me?

queeq
Never trust a droid.

General G
Why? They can't lie.

queeq
They can be programmed in any way. They'd never know if they'd be lying.

General G
But others would know.

queeq
I know... you're lying.

General G
And yet I am not, so maybe you are the weird driod who doesn't know when they are lying.

And if I were a mod, you would never leave unopposed, you and your closing of threads!!

queeq
I am not a driod.

General G
Then you must be a droid then, either a driod or a droid.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It was effectively played by a man- Clive Revill did the voice and got the credit (and noted that because of that few minutes' work he still receives fan male about it decades on).

I seem to remember that a woman's face and a chimpanzee (or some similar arrangement) were combined to make the original image shown. But basically, the Emperor was always played by a guy. a woman and a chimp? THIS I did NOT know.

queeq
It's fairly old news though.

General G
No kidding...

queeq
Yes.

General G
Wait? You are kidding?

And here I thought you already knew.

queeq
Knew what?

General G
*sigh*

queeq
Hehehehe.... CLOSING now.

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