what if revan was never betrayed by malak? spoiler

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Spartan 063
What if Darth Malak had not betrayed Revan when the strike team boarded revans' ship before Kotor, and Revan never lost his memories or captured by the jedi but continued the war effort

how would the fate of the Galaxy change?

or would history repeat itself?

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Spartan 063
What if Darth Malak had not betrayed Revan when the strike team boarded revans' ship before Kotor, and Revan never lost his memories or captured by the jedi but continued the war effort

how would the fate of the Galaxy change?

or would history repeat itself?

Revan would take over the galaxy and the sith empire would rule for many many years until it it too will eventually fall.(as jolee says that all things will eventually fall) But then again Revan might not be leading it for a long time. It all depends on the actions of the sith triumvirate does. I doubt Traya would try and kill Revan. But Sion and Nihius I seriously doubt they would just sit idle. Sion is a very dangerous assassin and might try and assassinate Revan but I doubt he would succeed. The real threat would be Nihilus since the jedi would most likely be extinct than he would turn on the sith.(as traya predicted in kotor2) and Nihilus's very killer technique is very dangerous and his best chance is going to the star forge and use it their. Because if he just flies on his ship doing tis type of stuff than Revan's armada would most likely kill him.

Captain REX
I rather think Sion could succeed...but yes, Nihilus would eventually just start attacking the Sith.

Se7in
Originally posted by Captain REX
I rather think Sion could succeed...but yes, Nihilus would eventually just start attacking the Sith.

Sion could succeed, but I feel Kreia would be too inclined to help Revan, given her love and appreciation for him and the power he wielded. He was indeed stronger than the Exile, and she managed to defeat Sion through both battle prowess and effective persuasion. Revan was said to be a master at both, and with Kreia giving Revan all of Sion's weaknesses, such as his psychological inhibitions which held him together, Revan could stand a good chance at taking down the Sith Assassin.

I believe Nihilus would be a larger threat.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Se7in
Sion could succeed, but I feel Kreia would be too inclined to help Revan, given her love and appreciation for him and the power he wielded. He was indeed stronger than the Exile, and she managed to defeat Sion through both battle prowess and effective persuasion. Revan was said to be a master at both, and with Kreia giving Revan all of Sion's weaknesses, such as his psychological inhibitions which held him together, Revan could stand a good chance at taking down the Sith Assassin.

I believe Nihilus would be a larger threat.

Plus we pretty proven that Sion's ability to stay alive is only on Malachor V so we Revan wouldn't need the psychological tactics .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNmVSmIhs

And during the first part of the duel Sion says

Darth_Glentract
Originally posted by Darth Hord
Plus we pretty proven that Sion's ability to stay alive is only on Malachor V so we Revan wouldn't need the psychological tactics .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfNmVSmIhs

And during the first part of the duel Sion says

I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.

I will look into it later if i can't find a video i know i have a saved game on korriban so i could check it out later.

tulakhordpwns
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I believe that Traya said that Sion was unkillable on Korriban aswell.
After the exile's duel with him she something about the exile not being able to beat him here (Korriban).


I gathered that Sion is only virtually unbeatable in places very strong in the darkside (like Malacor or Korriban). And I doubt Revan would be dumb enough to attack him at a place of strength.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by tulakhordpwns
After the exile's duel with him she something about the exile not being able to beat him here (Korriban).


I gathered that Sion is only virtually unbeatable in places very strong in the darkside (like Malacor or Korriban). And I doubt Revan would be dumb enough to attack him at a place of strength.

revan doesn't exactly strike me as someone who would stay at place like that remember that the star forge was a place of the dark side and he limited his contact with it. But i doubt sion's ability would work there being that is not a place of the sith in the same way korriban and malachor are. And given revan's charisma was noted to be very high and he persuaded many jedi and even masters to follow him (when he was a padawan) into the mandalorians wars I do think it is very plausible for him to kill him.

Se7in
Originally posted by Darth Hord
revan doesn't exactly strike me as someone who would stay at place like that remember that the star forge was a place of the dark side and he limited his contact with it. But i doubt sion's ability would work there being that is not a place of the sith in the same way korriban and malachor are. And given revan's charisma was noted to be very high and he persuaded many jedi and even masters to follow him (when he was a padawan) into the mandalorians wars I do think it is very plausible for him to kill him.

But as I said, even what Sion was at Malachor, he was still repeatedly defeated and eventually psychologically eroded into dying.

Revan, given prior knowledge of such a weakness, could defeat Sion without a doubt.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Se7in
But as I said, even what Sion was at Malachor, he was still repeatedly defeated and eventually psychologically eroded into dying.

Revan, given prior knowledge of such a weakness, could defeat Sion without a doubt.

Um... I was pretty much agreeing with you and stating why he can defeat Sion even at malachor

Violent2Dope
Sion may be able to beat Revan with the elemant of surprise, as even tho he was a brutish moron, he was skilled with a saber, tho Nihilus would be the real threat, nothing Kreia could do would help Revan, Nihilus would consume world after world, until eventually Revam had to fight him,and by then Nihilus' power will be greatly amped due to Killing so many worlds, and would easily kill and Force Kill Revan.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Sion may be able to beat Revan with the elemant of surprise, as even tho he was a brutish moron, he was skilled with a saber, tho Nihilus would be the real threat, nothing Kreia could do would help Revan, Nihilus would consume world after world, until eventually Revam had to fight him,and by then Nihilus' power will be greatly amped due to Killing so many worlds, and would easily kill and Force Kill Revan.

The best chance for revan is to have his armada destroy the ravager because if nihlus starts off by wiping out planets then revan would surely see him as a threat and use his infinite fleet to kill him

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Darth Hord
The best chance for revan is to have his armada destroy the ravager because if nihlus starts off by wiping out planets then revan would surely see him as a threat and use his infinite fleet to kill him That's true, but Nihilus may of eaten whole planets of Sith by now, his strength will have grown far beyond what it was before, as would his power, then there's Sion and his assassins, they would be boarding vessels and taking out ships from the inside. Traya will likely have been disposed of by Nihilus, so she couldn't help him. Of course, this is just one scenario, we can't say for sure.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
That's true, but Nihilus may of eaten whole planets of Sith by now, his strength will have grown far beyond what it was before, as would his power, then there's Sion and his assassins, they would be boarding vessels and taking out ships from the inside.


That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire.

Se7in
Originally posted by Darth Hord That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire.

This thread is about if Malak stayed with Revan, so that wouldn't make sense.

xxxpoppunker182
some other variables that you aren't considering if revan was never turned on by Malak then he still has Malak at his side as his apprentice and sion and nihilus wouldn't try taking out revan because they only started fighting for the title of dark lord because there was no one powerful enough to hold that title anymore.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Se7in
This thread is about if Malak stayed with Revan, so that wouldn't make sense.

I took it as that Malak did not betray revan in that particular scene and given the nature of the sith whose to say he would not have tried later on.

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Darth Hord
That is to say if Sion and Nihilus work together well which i somehow doubt. But even if Nihilus is stronger he is not powerful enough to hold off an entire armada.

I think there will be a civil war and it will look like this Revan and Traya vs Malak vs. Sion vs. Nihilus. And another thing we have to keep in mind is that the assasins /sith troopers that make up Nihilus's and sion's force were Revan's/Malak's before the collapse of Revan's sith empire. Sion and Nihilus would not have to work together, they would be aiding eachother anyway, as long as they never crossed paths(Sion could potentially be an unlimited energy supply for Nihilus). Nihilus killed an entire planet, killing whole armadas is not really a stretch, and besides, Nihilus has his own fleet of slaves. You have a point about the forces that make up Sion's and Nihilus' army, tho with every person Nihilus comes in contact with could be a potential slave to work for him.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Sion and Nihilus would not have to work together, they would be aiding eachother anyway, as long as they never crossed paths(Sion could potentially be an unlimited energy supply for Nihilus). Nihilus killed an entire planet, killing whole armadas is not really a stretch, and besides, Nihilus has his own fleet of slaves. You have a point about the forces that make up Sion's and Nihilus' army, tho with every person Nihilus comes in contact with could be a potential slave to work for him.

The point with army also includes the fleet which were the sith interdictor ships escorting the ravager. And i highly doubt that the force killer technique would work on thousands of ships (capital ships and the sith fighters) he would be overwhelmed by the shier numbers.

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Darth Hord
The point with army also includes the fleet which were the sith interdictor ships escorting the ravager. And i highly doubt that the force killer technique would work on thousands of ships (capital ships and the sith fighters) he would be overwhelmed by the shier numbers. It would work on the pilots. wink

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It would work on the pilots. wink There would be too many coming coming every direction. Think of it as the ravager surrounded on all sides by hundreds of interdictor ships (auto gun turrets) and thousands of fighters. The only person that has a chance against those kinds of numbers would be DE Sidious and he would have to be on the eclipse. Because the Ravager doesn't seem to to many to be many times bigger maybe 2 or 3 times. too many numbers that come in a way too many directions Nihilus's only chance is to get in a direct confrontation or he would die in space.

Violent2Dope
Okie dokie, he just attacks Revan's base and kills him, sounds easy enough! durlaugh

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Okie dokie, he just attacks Revan's base and kills him, sounds easy enough! durlaugh

Provided he gets inside the base and it is not the star forge then he definitely can kill him. If this is the star forge he can send the army of droid which the force killer tech. don't work and tk will but fighting all those droids he would need to use his saber to block blasters bolt and we know his saber skills aint teh uber. And the other problem is if tries to attack the star forge he would have to face an infinite fleet of ships and he would go down.And im not sure how the abilities of that ship disruptor or whatever that thing is that cause you to crash on lehon is.If nihilus meets him on planet the nine times out of ten he wins.

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Darth Hord
Provided he gets inside the base and it is not the star forge then he definitely can kill him. If this is the star forge he can send the army of droid which the force killer tech. don't work and tk will but fighting all those droids he would need to use his saber to block blasters bolt and we know his saber skills aint teh uber. And the other problem is if tries to attack the star forge he would have to face an infinite fleet of ships and he would go down.And im not sure how the abilities of that ship disruptor or whatever that thing is that cause you to crash on lehon is.If nihilus meets him on planet the nine times out of ten he wins. He could TK whole ships on the Star Forge, maybe, tho I agree, seeing as Revan has no defense against Force Killer attacking him on a planet would be easy enough.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He could TK whole ships on the Star Forge, maybe, tho I agree, seeing as Revan has no defense against Force Killer attacking him on a planet would be easy enough.

NO ONE (luke and sidious included) can defeats thousands upon thousands of capital ships and tens of thousands of capital ships by themselves (on a single ship) sure they can take out a many of them but at some point the concentrated fire power will destroy their ship. I think the best person for something like this would be sidious to due to his force storm but i do think that he too would eventually go down.

darth gezorko
Revan gets stronger in the Force, dont any1 thought about that???
and revan could persuade Exile,
iam pretty sure about that. and Malak gets killed i quess

Darth Hord
Originally posted by darth gezorko
Revan gets stronger in the Force, dont any1 thought about that???
and revan could persuade Exile,
iam pretty sure about that. and Malak gets killed i quess
Um the exile wouldnt have a role in this because t3 was programmed to come into known space and find her or any jedi if something happened to Revan.

0°Mandalore°0
I agree. The real threat here would be Nihilus. I think Revan would be able to destroy Sion easily enough, but Revan would also eventually be victorious against Nihilus I say, because besides that he would most probably recognize Nihilus as a threat very soon, Nihilus was actually careless in many ways, he was overconfident. In Kotor 2, when the Exile boards the Ravager, he doesn't even try to stop her, if he had really cared he would've come to her personally and kill her himslef.
Plus, Revan is smarter and has a far greater ability as a tactician, which would indeed be useful.

ThoraxeRMG
The Sith would of taken over the galaxy early.

Count Makashi
Originally posted by Darth Hord
Provided he gets inside the base and it is not the star forge then he definitely can kill him. If this is the star forge he can send the army of droid which the force killer tech. don't work and tk will but fighting all those droids he would need to use his saber to block blasters bolt and we know his saber skills aint teh uber. And the other problem is if tries to attack the star forge he would have to face an infinite fleet of ships and he would go down.And im not sure how the abilities of that ship disruptor or whatever that thing is that cause you to crash on lehon is.If nihilus meets him on planet the nine times out of ten he wins.

But Nihilus has an armada as well, he could send them to fight Revans army, to distract them, so he slips by them and confronts Revan.

And he wins 10/10 times, don't get me wrong, i don't like Nihilus, but very few have a chance of victory against him and Revan isn't one of them.

Darth Hord
Originally posted by Count Makashi
But Nihilus has an armada as well, he could send them to fight Revans army, to distract them, so he slips by them and confronts Revan.

And he wins 10/10 times, don't get me wrong, i don't like Nihilus, but very few have a chance of victory against him and Revan isn't one of them.

But wasn't his armada just remnants of Revan/Malak's sith empire?

0°Mandalore°0
That's what I was thinking too..

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Darth Hord
But wasn't his armada just remnants of Revan/Malak's sith empire? Yeah it was. I think Nihilus' best shot would be either to silently attack outer rim planets, slowly making him stronger, or just say "FVCK THE POLICE!" and try to kill Revan as quick as he can. Traya would have been disposed of by now. Also, Sion would be boarding ships and killing everyone on it one by one.

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