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Inspired by the events of WWH!

Well, the Hulk couldn't do dick to a fraction of Cyttorak's power.

Whereas he kinda owned a fraction of Zom's power.

So, according to those events alone, Zom < Cyttorak.

Zom wins.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Inspired by the events of WWH!

zom ftw

Zom easily.

Zom, this is spite.


juggernaut is nothing next to what Zom/Strange was... just that Hulk has an agenda and Strange is part of it. Cain is just insignificant.

Originally posted by Soljer
Well, the Hulk couldn't do dick to a fraction of Cyttorak's power.

Whereas he kinda owned a fraction of Zom's power.

So, according to those events alone, Zom < Cyttorak.
lol

1) he didn't "own" ... he just couldn't be put down by Zom/Strange, physically and he was stronger than Zom/Strange. Zom/Strange could have dealt with him in other ways, imo.

2) Hulk wasn't even bothered with juggernaut. shit War Hulk pawned that muppet easily. you think a stronger more intelligent Hulk wouldn't destroy him?

3) Zom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cyttorak
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4) Zom/Strange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> juggernaut.

Originally posted by janus77
lol

1) he didn't "own" ... he just couldn't be put down by Zom/Strange, physically and he was stronger than Zom/Strange. Zom/Strange could have dealt with him in other ways, imo.

2) Hulk wasn't even bothered with juggernaut. shit War Hulk pawned that muppet easily. you think a stronger more intelligent Hulk wouldn't destroy him?

3) Zom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cyttorak
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4) Zom/Strange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> juggernaut.

Based on what would you say that War Hulk is weaker than WWH ?

Also, there's a difference between restraining someone before they can gain a momentum and beating them.

based on every time The Hulk says "I'm stronger", based on the simple fact that Hulk can always get stronger, based on the billion characters, narrators etc who say he's the strongest incarnation of The Hulk yet.

whatever strength-level War Hulk had, WWH ar Hulk has eclipsed.


and Hulk wasn't even trying, he was toying with juggernaut... much like he decided to leave Xavier to his misery at the end, he just isn't out to kill anyone unless he thinks they really deserve it. and even then, we've yet to see him unload... he was holding back, severely, all the time.

Originally posted by janus77
based on every time The Hulk says "I'm stronger", based on the simple fact that Hulk can always get stronger, based on the billion characters, narrators etc who say he's the strongest incarnation of The Hulk yet.

whatever strength-level War Hulk had, WWH ar Hulk has eclipsed.


and Hulk wasn't even trying, he was toying with juggernaut... much like he decided to leave Xavier to his misery at the end, he just isn't out to kill anyone unless he thinks they really deserve it. and even then, we've yet to see him unload... he was holding back, severely, all the time.
Hulk wasnt toying with anyone,they were breaking even and then juggs started to overpowering hulk and hulk bfred and ran like the ***** he is.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hulk wasnt toying with anyone,they were breaking even and then juggs started to overpowering hulk and hulk bfred and ran like the ***** he is.

Not quite as eloquent as I'd put it, but spot on regardless.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hulk wasnt toying with anyone,they were breaking even and then juggs started to overpowering hulk and hulk bfred and ran like the ***** he is.
looked like it was juggernaut who ran... through the building's wall, and into the water.


Hulk had the safety on, all throughout his confrontation with the X-Men. he just waded through, without much trouble and without doing any permanent damage to them.

when juggernaut finally came along, he just stopped him - "redirecting his momentum down towards the foundations" - then just decided to give him a slap and send him on his way... he wasn't even bothered with juggernaut.

Originally posted by janus77
looked like it was juggernaut who ran... through the building's wall, and into the water.


Hulk had the safety on, all throughout his confrontation with the X-Men. he just waded through, without much trouble and without doing any permanent damage to them.

when juggernaut finally came along, he just stopped him - "redirecting his momentum down towards the foundations" - then just decided to give him a slap and send him on his way... he wasn't even bothered with juggernaut.
Getting pushed backed and overpowered and taking the oppurtunity that charles gave him to bfr juggs isnt a win buddy,it proved hulk still cant hang with juggernaut for long thats why he had to run,wwh is overrated and wanked to hell its getting ridiculous,if he really was stronger then war hulk he woulda put a beating on juggs like when war hulk and juggs fought.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Getting pushed backed and overpowered and taking the oppurtunity that charles gave him to bfr juggs isnt a win buddy,it proved hulk still cant hang with juggernaut for long thats why he had to run,wwh is overrated and wanked to hell its getting ridiculous,if he really was stronger then war hulk he woulda put a beating on juggs like when war hulk and juggs fought.

given that he doesn't view juggernaut as significant to his agenda, you can't say much from that 'fight' other than Hulk clearly slapped him so hard he couldn't stop himself.

Hulk is more powerful now than he was as War Hulk, he says so and so does almost every other character in the arc.

War Hulk made juggy his toy, pretty much overpowering Cyttorak's charm... and this is Hulk at an even higher level.

just check what Zom/Strange did to him, and what he did back... Strange couldn't - could NOT - defend himself against Hulk's attack.
that's a feat if ever there was one. Strange was channelling Zom and still couldn't withstand a barrage from Hulk... I doubt there'd be enough left of juggernaut to collect up into a thimble, if Hulk unloaded on him.

Originally posted by janus77

given that he doesn't view juggernaut as significant to his agenda, you can't say much from that 'fight' other than Hulk clearly slapped him so hard he couldn't stop himself.

Hulk is more powerful now than he was as War Hulk, he says so and so does almost every other character in the arc.

War Hulk made juggy his toy, pretty much overpowering Cyttorak's charm... and this is Hulk at an even higher level.

just check what Zom/Strange did to him, and what he did back... Strange couldn't - could NOT - defend himself against Hulk's attack.
that's a feat if ever there was one. Strange was channelling Zom and still couldn't withstand a barrage from Hulk... I doubt there'd be enough left of juggernaut to collect up into a thimble, if Hulk unloaded on him.
Right except hulk did unload on him and juggernaut was just fine,wwh is the strongest non outside amped hulk,but he has come nowhere close to proving he is warhulks equal,especially since he fought evenly with juggernaut and was starting to be overpowered he had to bfr and run because he knew he wasnt beating juggs anytime soon.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Right except hulk did unload on him and juggernaut was just fine,wwh is the strongest non outside amped hulk,but he has come nowhere close to proving he is warhulks equal,especially since he fought evenly with juggernaut and was starting to be overpowered he had to bfr and run because he knew he wasnt beating juggs anytime soon.
riiiight...
you wanna show me some scans of WWH arc Hulk "unloading" on juggernaut?

he stopped the juggernaut, redirected juggernaut's "unstoppable" forward motion downwards, endangered the mansion and then slapped the muppet into the drink.

I don't recall any prolonged confrontation, unless you mean the slapping down he gave cain before that?

Zom/Strange >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> juggernaut.

Hulk coped with Zom/Strange's physical attacks and then produced the necessary physical power - whilst still holding back and not giving a killing blow - to put down Zom/Strange.

Originally posted by janus77
Zom, this is spite.


juggernaut is nothing next to what Zom/Strange was... just that Hulk has an agenda and Strange is part of it. Cain is just insignificant.

Bingo.

The fact of the matter is that Marvel purposefully made WWH a jobberfest so that Bruce could exact his revenge.

You could've had Galactus in there after devouring a planet, and still... Hulk would smash.

Originally posted by janus77
riiiight...
you wanna show me some scans of WWH arc Hulk "unloading" on juggernaut?

he stopped the juggernaut, redirected juggernaut's "unstoppable" forward motion downwards, endangered the mansion and then slapped the muppet into the drink.

I don't recall any prolonged confrontation, unless you mean the slapping down he gave cain before that?

Zom/Strange >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> juggernaut.

Hulk coped with Zom/Strange's physical attacks and then produced the necessary physical power - whilst still holding back and not giving a killing blow - to put down Zom/Strange.
He did unload on juggernaut..unless getting knocked around he was just playing right,he stopped him momentarily...in the pic you see his foot slidding back and then cain got distracted and hulk redirected him,that fight proved hes not at war hulks level because if he was then he would have just hit cain twice and put him on the ground but he didnt,stop wanking it to wwh hes done nothing at all to put him above war hulk.

Originally posted by batdude123
Bingo.

The fact of the matter is that Marvel purposefully made WWH a jobberfest so that Bruce could exact his revenge.

You could've had Galactus in there after devouring a planet, and still... Hulk would smash.
not really...
aside from the way Strange approached the whole thing, I've not got any problems.

Strange should have bfr'd Hulk or tried to kill him with magics (dunno how/if that's possible) rather than channel something on the scale of Eternity to use to clobber Hulk... and even then fail to channel enough of it to put Hulk down.

the battles that have gone before have gone more or less reasonably. BB, Ironman, the FF...

if anything, Hulk's fluctuating strength and his focussed agenda, made some of the X-Men look far better than they should have... with several trading blows with him, when he really could have crushed them in one shot.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He did unload on juggernaut..unless getting knocked around he was just playing right,he stopped him momentarily...in the pic you see his foot slidding back and then cain got distracted and hulk redirected him,that fight proved hes not at war hulks level because if he was then he would have just hit cain twice and put him on the ground but he didnt,stop wanking it to wwh hes done nothing at all to put him above war hulk.
show. me. the. scans!

you're wrong and you overstepped with that assertion.

no "unloading", as I said Hulk's got an agenda and he's not bothered with the juggernaut. simple as that.

zom uses cyttorak's own crystal as a pointy dildo on him

Originally posted by janus77
not really...
aside from the way Strange approached the whole thing, I've not got any problems.

Strange should have bfr'd Hulk or tried to kill him with magics (dunno how/if that's possible) rather than channel something on the scale of Eternity to use to clobber Hulk... and even then fail to channel enough of it to put Hulk down.

haermm

Yeah because that whole BB fiasco was completely reasonable...

Zom wins this fight. He's one of the most power magical beings in existence. The only ones who are ahead of him in my opinion are the LT (if you consider him mystical), the Vishanti, and maybe Archenemy (this is of course sticking to the Marvel Universe.)

Zom

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