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This isn't even close ..

The Endless.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
The Endless.

celestials. they have scathan.

Lol The Endless take this no questions asked. Universal powers at least and Celestials though powerful in their own right, do not have universal level powers comparable to The Endless.

Originally posted by Rorschach


Let me guess.....durquanchi bait?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let me guess.....durquanchi bait?

I'm confuzzled.

What about that represents quanchi?

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm confuzzled.

What about that represents quanchi?

I had to have it explained to me too.

It's the character Quanchi from MK. http://www.angelfire.com/az3/mk5/mk5_quanchi.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let me guess.....durquanchi bait?

The Endless.

Destiny or Death could Do it alone I'd gather.

Is it even within a Celestial's power to erase a concept?

The Endless in a stomp

Celestials were created by Eternity, a Marvel concept. It's obvious that Celestials don't have Eternity's power, and they certainly wouldn't have the power to wipeout DC concepts like The Endless.

Death is part of the endless.

Endless for the win.

scathan is more pwerful than eternity. scathan defeated protege who jus mimikced the lt's powers. scathan solos the endless.

The Endless crush the Celestials easily.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The Endless crush the Celestials easily. do u know who scathan is?

Originally posted by quanchi112
do u know who scathan is?

I know who he is. I also know that while Protege mimicked the LT, I never once saw him actually display the kind of power the LT has displayed. Unless you can show proof of that, I don't rate him to be as powerful as the LT, therefore Scathan not more powerful than him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I know who he is. I also know that while Protege mimicked the LT, I never once saw him actually display the kind of power the LT has displayed. Unless you can show proof of that, I don't rate him to be as powerful as the LT, therefore Scathan not more powerful than him. scathan pwned a multiversal threat. protege concerned the lt. so u know how powerful he was. scathan pwned him like nothing. scathan is uber.

Death solos. Heck, any of them solo.

They're the Endless.

One question, who is stronger, the Endless, or
Michael?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Death solos. Heck, any of them solo.

They're the Endless.

One question, who is stronger, the Endless, or
Michael? scathan defeats all the endless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
scathan defeats all the endless.
haermm

Originally posted by Estacado
haermm

You're back

Yup.
I see the Captain was doing a great job...haermm

Originally posted by Estacado
haermm i know u dont know who scathan is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
scathan pwned a multiversal threat. protege concerned the lt. so u know how powerful he was. scathan pwned him like nothing. scathan is uber.

Sorry, but did anyone actually attack Protege once he copied the LT? No. Did he attack anyone after he copied the LT? No. So, you have no idea how powerful he was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i know u dont know who scathan is.
I know you don't know anything about the Endless......

Originally posted by Estacado
I know you don't know anything about the Endless...... here we go. ur always dodging questions. the endless would fail against lt as they would also fail to scathan who is at or above lt level in the comic he was seen. sorry but scathan pwns them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
here we go. ur always dodging questions. the endless would fail against lt as they would also fail to scathan who is at or above lt level in the comic he was seen. sorry but scathan pwns them.
Can you name me the Endless?

Originally posted by Estacado
Can you name me the Endless? what feats do endless death,destiny,etc. have?

what uber beings have they pwned?

Originally posted by quanchi112
what feats do endless death,destiny,etc. have?

what uber beings have they pwned?
You don't even understand their "purpose"....eh?
Nevermind......

Originally posted by Estacado
You don't even understand their "purpose"....eh? yes they are concepts that represent all things pretty much in dc. how destiny knows the outcome of every being and how it has already been written. scathan pwns them. the may get replaced but effectively wins this battle.

Originally posted by Estacado
You don't even understand their "purpose"....eh?
Nevermind......

welcome back

destiny would know its time was up when scathan showed up.

The Endless treated Eternity like an insect...

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
The Endless treated Eternity like an insect... scathan is greater than eternity.

scathan is greater than the endless.

endless in a stomp. Destiny's book has everything in it. Even lucifer was bound by his book.

Welcome back Estacado. How's Halo 3?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Welcome back Estacado. How's Halo 3?
Thanks...313
First I didn't wanted to buy it cause I thought that it's going to be crap but all of my friend have it and they convinced me to get it.....I have to say that it has the best multiplayer that a game has to offer.

Beyonder says:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7229/22522847ka8.th.jpg
"On the boy rests the fate of Any and All Realities"

................................................................................


Even the LT confirms this with an expression, as does Eternity & Hawkgod:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8260/88535694rm9.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8752/30330578hj0.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/365/51974240xw6.th.jpg

................................................................................


Protege reviles the LT, Eternity & Hawkgod:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9978/40428234or1.th.jpg
"This feeble Trinity poses no threat to me"

"I offer you power beyond a Deity's dreams, moreover,
a chance to strike down these Paper Godlings"

................................................................................


Protege owns the LT Eternity Hawkgod and everyone else there:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6206/75959541pn9.th.jpg

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Scathan owns Protege with a gesture:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6466/92839813xk8.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9697/99920504yy2.th.jpg

................................................................................


The LT absorbs Protege, while Protege is held physically by Scathan:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9335/91380677ke5.th.jpg

................................................................................


And it's all Canon!

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9708/canonrm1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Handbook 2006 - LT bio)

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RESPECT Scathan!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder says:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7229/22522847ka8.th.jpg
"On the boy rests the fate of Any and All Realities"

................................................................................


Even the LT confirms this with an expression, as does Eternity & Hawkgod:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8260/88535694rm9.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8752/30330578hj0.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/365/51974240xw6.th.jpg

................................................................................


Protege reviles the LT, Eternity & Hawkgod:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9978/40428234or1.th.jpg
"This feeble Trinity poses no threat to me"

"I offer you power beyond a Deity's dreams, moreover,
a chance to strike down these Paper Godlings"

................................................................................


Protege owns the LT Eternity Hawkgod and everyone else there:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6206/75959541pn9.th.jpg

................................................................................


Scathan owns Protege with a gesture:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6466/92839813xk8.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9697/99920504yy2.th.jpg

................................................................................


The LT absorbs Protege, while Protege is held physically by Scathan:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9335/91380677ke5.th.jpg

................................................................................


And it's all Canon!

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9708/canonrm1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Handbook 2006 - LT bio)

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RESPECT Scathan!
Yeah,they still lose.

Originally posted by Mordum
endless in a stomp. Destiny's book has everything in it. Even lucifer was bound by his book. so what. scathan would crush the endless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so what. scathan would crush the endless.

No he wouldn't, crazy talk here

Originally posted by kevdude
No he wouldn't, crazy talk here yes he would. scathan pwns multiversal threats like nothing. who hve the endless pwned that was multiversal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
yes he would. scathan pwns multiversal threats like nothing. who hve the endless pwned that was multiversal.

Um let me see Destiny who documents everything in existance and can undo anything, he can see everything that will happen to anyone, stop time. Death who will outlast everyone and put up the chairs and locks the universe behind her.

Originally posted by kevdude
Um let me see Destiny who documents everything in existance and can undo anything, he can see everything that will happen to anyone, stop time. Death who will outlast everyone and put up the chairs and locks the universe behind her. so destiny can defeat the presence?

Endless with eased. THE ENDLESS are so powerful that even the trivamvier(spelling) and the first fallen ones fear them. the tri are the three archangels that replace lucifer are he left hell. and one of them were even powerful enough to imprison michael before lucifer resue him. the first fallen ones also refered to as the lowest of the lowerst are above hell lords like neron who wield unlimited magical power and lords of chaos like shazam children. the firt fallen decided which demons becomes hell lords

Originally posted by hunbu04
Endless with eased. THE ENDLESS are so powerful that even the trivamvier(spelling) and the first fallen ones fear them. the tri are the three archangels that replace lucifer are he left hell. and one of them were even powerful enough to imprison michael before lucifer resue him. the first fallen ones also refered to as the lowest of the lowerst are above hell lords like neron who wield unlimited magical power and lords of chaos like shazam children. the firt fallen decided which demons becomes hell lords scathan is around lt level. some say more powerful while say some equal or slightly less than. either way i see the celestials as winning this and scathan leads the way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so destiny can defeat the presence?

Can LT go up against TOAA?

Originally posted by kevdude
Can LT go up against TOAA? TOAA is a writer. so no he cant. lt could defeat the endless and so could scathan. quit making the endless seem like they are like god. they arent. scathan pwns them with ease.

Originally posted by quanchi112
scathan is around lt level. some say more powerful while say some equal or slightly less than. either way i see the celestials as winning this and scathan leads the way.

If we go by GOTG #50, Scathan > LT

Heck even Protege > LT

And Scathan >>>>>> Protege


I don't think cats in here realize that LT can crush the Marvel Omniverse if he wanted to.

He never will of course because he's it's Judge, hence it's "protector"

But just imagine,

the LT is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent.

The LT held the embodiments of TWO MegaverseS in one hand,
each Megaverse is a COLLECTION of MultiverseS.

The LT was once going to replace the 616 Reality with the Ultimate Universe,
that feat is ridiculous.

If the LT wanted, he could be everything in Marvel:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7771/alldv6.th.jpg


bah, this is pointless.

Good night yall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If we go by GOTG #50, Scathan > LT

Heck even Protege > LT

And Scathan >>>>>> Protege


I don't think cats in here realize that LT can crush the Marvel Omniverse if he wanted to.

He never will of course because he's it's Judge, hence it's "protector"

But just imagine,

the LT is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent.

The LT held the embodiments of TWO MegaverseS in one hand,
each Megaverse is a COLLECTION of MultiverseS.

The LT was once going to replace the 616 Reality with the Ultimate Universe,
that feat is ridiculous.

If the LT wanted, he could be everything in Marvel:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7771/alldv6.th.jpg


bah, this is pointless.

Good night yall. All Scathan did though, was use what apparently was a regular Celestial muzzle, and held Protege while neither were using any force.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
All Scathan did though, was use what apparently was a regular Celestial muzzle, and held Protege while neither were using any force. he pwned a multiversal threat with ease. dont demean the feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he pwned a multiversal threat with ease. dont demean the feat. He put a Celestial muzzle over his face, and hands.

I'm not demeaning it.
It's just a completely overrated feat.

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm responding to you... you're on ignore...

Originally posted by Mr Master
If we go by GOTG #50, Scathan > LT

Heck even Protege > LT

the LT is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent.



The above statements are in direct conflict with each other. A being that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent is second to nothing, period.

Furthermore, if a being were omnipotent, could it create something so big that it could not lift it? Either a yes or no to this question proves that it is not omnipotent. This question can be asked of anything.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He put a Celestial muzzle over his face, and hands.

I'm not demeaning it.
It's just a completely overrated feat.

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm responding to you... you're on ignore... it isnt overrated. not at all. he defeated a being who just started mimicking the lt's powers. thats impressive anyway u look at it.

Originally posted by Estacado
Thanks...313
First I didn't wanted to buy it cause I thought that it's going to be crap but all of my friend have it and they convinced me to get it.....I have to say that it has the best multiplayer that a game has to offer.



what level are you? i am at a 42 in team slayer

Originally posted by joesdabest1
what level are you? i am at a 42 in team slayer
I didn't had much time to play the multi so I'm just 13 I'm planing to get the sergeant rank today and maybe more.....

Originally posted by Cubicks
The above statements are in direct conflict with each other. A being that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent is second to nothing, period.

Furthermore, if a being were omnipotent, could it create something so big that it could not lift it? Either a yes or no to this question proves that it is not omnipotent. This question can be asked of anything.

Not in marvel where different levels of omnipotente exist (don't ask why)

I believe KMC_Drifter actually answear that paradox very well in such a thread created not long ago.

And my answear to the Paradox would be oure way to preceive the reality isn't enough to comprehende such a situation. A omnipotente Being can create a Kvadrat thats still a circle that impossible for me to comprehende.

there is no one from the endless who can defeat scathan. no one.

Originally posted by Cubicks
The above statements are in direct conflict with each other. A being that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent is second to nothing, period.

Most vets know this, but I'll post it for you.

In Marvel there are different levels of Omnipotence/Infinity:


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8929/infipo9.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/958/infi2lt7.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1130/infi3rl5.th.jpg



Is Kubik lying?

Not at all.


This fact was confirmed by Dr Strange:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4600/infinitymoremx9.th.jpg

"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,

Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,

there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...

One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Most vets know this, but I'll post it for you.

In Marvel there are different levels of Omnipotence/Infinity:


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8929/infipo9.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/958/infi2lt7.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1130/infi3rl5.th.jpg



Is Kubik lying?

Not at all.


This fact was confirmed by Dr Strange:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4600/infinitymoremx9.th.jpg

"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,

Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,

there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...

One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"

Just curious... can we get some scans of right before kubix starts talking in your scan, id like to get a better idea of what they are talking about exactly
All i see is infinity being talked about in both sets of scans, why are you putting omnipotence along with it?

Originally posted by starlock
Just curious... can we get some scans of right before kubix starts talking in your scan, id like to get a better idea of what they are talking about exactly

There's only two scans prior to the Kubik & Kosmos conversation.


http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5993/ff1wk0.th.jpg



http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6742/ff2wj5.th.jpg

Kosmos asks,

"Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power?" (omnipotence)

Kubik responds,

"Yes, OUR Might is Infinite, but there are Levels of Infinity"

Originally posted by starlock
All i see is infinity being talked about in both sets of scans,
why are you putting omnipotence along with it?

Because Kubik & Kosmos' conversation revolves around Infinite Power,

which is omnipotence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Most vets know this, but I'll post it for you.

In Marvel there are different levels of Omnipotence/Infinity:


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8929/infipo9.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/958/infi2lt7.th.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1130/infi3rl5.th.jpg



Is Kubik lying?

Not at all.


This fact was confirmed by Dr Strange:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4600/infinitymoremx9.th.jpg

"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,

Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,

there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...

One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"

That is a well laid out post. However, the problem is still in the terminology. When you start dissecting the "concept" of infinity like in those scans, infinity starts to lose its meaning. By Kubiks own logic he is infinite however, is he truly infinite? No, merely part of it. If you follow that train of thought then Aunt May, you, and I are all infinite too. And that though is absurd. However, we are just bigger numbers that are divided into infinity.

Originally posted by Cubicks
That is a well laid out post. However, the problem is still in the terminology. When you start dissecting the "concept" of infinity like in those scans, infinity starts to lose its meaning. By Kubiks own logic he is infinite however, is he truly infinite? No, merely part of it.

If you follow that train of thought then Aunt May, you, and I are all infinite too. And that though is absurd. However, we are just bigger numbers that are divided into infinity.

But Aunt May, nor you or I,
can warp Time & Space on a near-Universal scale,
while Kubik & Kosmos can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But Aunt May, nor you or I,
can warp Time & Space on a near-Universal scale,
while Kubik & Kosmos can. that is a huge difference and i agree with you there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But Aunt May, nor you or I,
can warp Time & Space on a near-Universal scale,
while Kubik & Kosmos can.

You are correct, there is a difference, just like between LT and Kubik. I think you made my point in you post better than I could. The degree of the difference is irrelevant because, I used us three as a low-end of the scale for comparison. In theory you could post your Marvel hierarchy and as it descends, each level is less than those above it, while according to Kubik still being a part of infinity.

You said it yourself that Kubik and Kosmos can warp Time & Space on a near-universal scale. What scale can LT do it, Scathan, pre-retcon Beyonder?

Originally posted by quanchi112
there is no one from the endless who can defeat scathan. no one.

didn't u just say earlier we wasn't using scathan?? Destiny could just turn time back on him making him not a threat

Remind me to stop reading comics, when I begin to take math lessons from some fictional character.

Originally posted by kevdude
didn't u just say earlier we wasn't using scathan?? Destiny could just turn time back on him making him not a threat that was another thread. i wasnt allowing scathan in the 4th celestial host vs impereix prime. but he is allowed here as it is the entire race.

Originally posted by quanchi112
that was another thread. i wasnt allowing scathan in the 4th celestial host vs impereix prime. but he is allowed here as it is the entire race.

Ah thats right, anyway all of them except scathan wouldn't effect them. Who did you pick in Scathan vs LT??

Originally posted by quanchi112
destiny would know its time was up when scathan showed up.

To put it bluntly: you are an idiot.

roflmao

Originally posted by Estacado
You don't even understand their "purpose"....eh?
Nevermind......

Welcome back Esacado. Destiny would take care of them like he swiftly took care of the Necropolis Litharge, the caretakers of the dead when he erased them. And Death wouldn't even need to help . The Endless are beyond the Multiverse indeed.

Mr Master, as always, trying to fool everybody with that scans
I find it hilarious that anybody could think that there are different levels of omnipotence. Omnipotence is by definition supreme, unlimited power. Unsurpassable. A being can't be omnipotent and be surpassed because that would contradict the whole concept of Omnipotence.

I already explained that scans and I will explain it again. It's rather simple to understand really, but some just choose to twist the statements illogically (levels of Omnipotence ).

I'll use the same analogy. I'll assume everybody is familiar with the four fundamental forces (Electromagnetism, Gravity, Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force). Imagine character A having infinite control over Electromagnetism and character B having infinite control over Gravity. Now imagine character C having infinite control over all four fundamental forces. Thus, character C contains the other 2 infinites in his area of power.

As I said , it's rather simple. Just because you have infinite power over a certain area does not mean you are omnipotent .

Even the scans clearly explain this , with the number analogy .
Dr Strange also clearly says this : "One infinite is included within a larger infinity"

Originally posted by quanchi112
that was another thread. i wasnt allowing scathan in the 4th celestial host vs impereix prime. but he is allowed here as it is the entire race.
There is only one ****ing problem here...... you are not the thread starter so no one gives a shit about what you say. Originally posted by kevdude
Welcome back Esacado. Destiny would take care of them like he swiftly took care of the Necropolis Litharge, the caretakers of the dead when he erased them. And Death wouldn't even need to help . The Endless are beyond the Multiverse indeed.
Thanks.313
I think everyone should put this clown on ignore since he can't comprehend comics and it's useless to debate with him cause he is the most biased person on the forum also he says bullshit all the time which will make you lose your patience and you'll go mad about it.

Originally posted by Estacado
There is only one ****ing problem here...... you are not the thread starter so no one gives a shit about what you say.
Thanks.313
I think everyone should put this clown on ignore since he can't comprehend comics and it's useless to debate with him cause he is the most biased person on the forum also he says bullshit all the time which will make you lose your patience and you'll go mad about it. i was addressing kevdudes question to me in particular. i wasnt acting like i was threadstarter in the least. listen u put me on ignore again. i post my opinion. if it angers you ignore me. dont come here to start stuff all the time. this routine is old and rallying people against me is juvenile.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i was addressing kevdudes question to me in particular. i wasnt acting like i was threadstarter in the least. listen u put me on ignore again. i post my opinion. if it angers you ignore me. dont come here to start stuff all the time. this routine is old and rallying people against me is juvenile.

Not as juvenile as you, my slow witted friend. Hah.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Death solos. Heck, any of them solo.

They're the Endless.

One question, who is stronger, the Endless, or
Michael?
Michael and Lucifer is more powerful than most of the Endless, they are both bonded to Destiny though, who by that would be greater than them.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Mr Master, as always, trying to fool everybody with that scans

How can I fool people if I'm presenting the scans along with my claim?

You really are a hater dude, on the real.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I find it hilarious that anybody could think that there are different levels of omnipotence.

So email Marvel and let em know.

What are you telling us for?

We're not, I know I'm not the one making this stuff up.

That's how MARVEL explains it, so what's your beef dude?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Omnipotence is by definition supreme, unlimited power. Unsurpassable. A being can't be omnipotent and be surpassed because that would contradict the whole concept of Omnipotence.

Everyone knows the definiton of Omnipotence.

And?

According to Ernst Zermelo (a legitimate mathmetician)

There ARE levels of Infinity: (Cantor's theorem though)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_theorem

Marvel based their view on Infinity on this.

It isn't some gobbledygook explanation, it actually has mathematical substance.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I already explained that scans and I will explain it again.

"you already explained it?"

Since when are you the almighty voice of reason?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's rather simple to understand really, but some just choose to twist the statements illogically (levels of Omnipotence ).

You mean Marvel is twisting statements, or Zemelo?

You can't be talking about me, caue I'm just posting what Marvel has published.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I'll use the same analogy. I'll assume everybody is familiar with the four fundamental forces (Electromagnetism, Gravity, Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force). Imagine character A having infinite control over Electromagnetism and character B having infinite control over Gravity. Now imagine character C having infinite control over all four fundamental forces. Thus, character C contains the other 2 infinites in his area of power.

As I said , it's rather simple. Just because you have infinite power over a certain area does not mean you are omnipotent .

That's your opinion, nice.

According to Marvel, concerning Marvel comics,
there ARE different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence.

Don't like it? Complain to Marvel.

Or try and reverse Zemelo's widely accepted theorem.
Yea, email your analogy to the "Mathacademy"
see if they'll debunk what has been established since 1908:

http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/cantor_theorem/

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Even the scans clearly explain this , with the number analogy .
Dr Strange also clearly says this : "One infinite is included within a larger infinity"

The scans tells us that are different levels of Omnipotence/Infinity. Period.

Same goes with Ernst Zermelo's "Cantor's Theorem"
accepted since 1908 concerning Infinity.

Scathan wins

Erik is right that the different levels of omnipotence arguement is BS.

Mr. M is right in that it's Marvel's BS and we can't really argue with it.

So yes, it's bullshit, and pretty much everyone knows it. But it's one of those things that we try to overlook, because, these are comic books after all.