Wonder Woman vs Avengers West/East Coast

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CaptainStoic
This may seem like spite to many, but I assure you that it is not. I just want to guage how strong people here on KMC believe that Wonder Woman is.

According to many here on KMC she could defeat the Hulk easily, even though he has been stated as having more raw power than he has ever had in comic book history.

In this thread, I want everyone to take into consideration that the Hulk had to be banished in order to be stopped. I will include all of the heroes that fought against him in that particular story arc to show that his recent wins in what has been called "World War Hulk" were not, and can not truly be considered PIS or CIS.

How many here believe that Wonder Woman could beat, two teams Avengers (West Coast, and East Coast) using the same amount of effort to take the Hulk in or kill him that the Hulk did?

To move things along these are the Heroes involved:

Thor, She Hulk, Ironman, Vision, Scalet Witch, Captain America, Hercules (Immortal), Wasp, Wonder Man, Namor, Black Knight, Dr. Strange, Doc. Samson, Captain Marvel (Jessica Rambeau), Eros, Powerman, Iron Fist, Hawk Eye, Mocking Bird. Here are some scans of the Heroes...
Hulk vs. Human Torch, Heroes For Hire, Avengers, and finally, Thor. IH #300
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6167/ih300humantorch13tt.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/2826/ih300humantorch23ss.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/762/ih300h4h17uj.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6943/ih300h4h28ez.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8748/avengersih300a8sa.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/5048/avengersih300b5wl.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/2603/avengersih300c4wv.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6705/avengersih300d2ze.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/7979/avengersih300e3su.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8761/avengersih300f8ui.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9619/avengersih300g8ef.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9328/avengersih300h2kk.jpg

Does anyone believe that Wonder Woman would win against all of these Heroes?
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http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7095/avengersih322c0am.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/8563/avengersih322d5oz.jpg
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/1342/avengersih322e2vk.jpg
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/3383/avengersih322f7yf.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7069/avengersih322j4xw.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/5613/avengersih322m9na.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/3958/avengersih322n4cq.jpg

Once again this is not spite, I just do not believe that Wonder Woman could defeat these guys who have trained together for years.

BentonGrey
Wonderwoman shouldn't even be able to take on half of them one on one.....even if modern comics have pumped her up to ridiculous levels.

Bouboumaster
Wonder Woman die to Thor.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by BentonGrey
Wonderwoman shouldn't even be able to take on half of them one on one.....even if modern comics have pumped her up to ridiculous levels.

This is what I was thinking as well.

Soljer
If the avengers were at the power levels they were at that time, and fought in the same methods they fought in that instance?

smile.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Soljer
If the avengers were at the power levels they were at that time, and fought in the same methods they fought in that instance?

smile.

So basically in your opinion? smile.

Soljer
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
So basically in your opinion? smile.

Basically what?

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Soljer
Basically what?

Well you never really gave an opinion you just posted a question. What did you mean by your first post?

Validus
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well you never really gave an opinion you just posted a question. What did you mean by your first post?
He's basically saying that if you applied the same level of PIS/CIS that Hulk had in his favor during that fight, WW would win as well.

In a forum fight, Hulk would lose to those heroes just the same as WW would.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Validus
He's basically saying that if you applied the same level of PIS/CIS that Hulk had in his favor during that fight, WW would win as well.

In a forum fight, Hulk would lose to those heroes just the same as WW would.

How is it PIS/CIS when the Hulk has been shown do take on mobs like this more than once? The comics clearly acknowledge that the Hulk has the ability to do so, why is it that no one except a few people can see this?

Soljer
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
How is it PIS/CIS when the Hulk has been shown do take on mobs like this more than once? The comics clearly acknowledge that the Hulk has the ability to do so, why is it that no one except a few people can see this?

If by a few people you mean everyone with a basic-level intellect. smile.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Soljer
If by a few people you mean everyone with a basic-level intellect. smile.

So if the writers of Marvel said that one of their characters could defeat an entire team that they themselves own all rights to, you would disagree with them? Now if you applied the same level of logic that you accuse people of not having what would that mean?

grey fox
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
So if the writers of Marvel said that one of their characters could defeat an entire team that they themselves own all rights to, you would disagree with them? Now if you applied the same level of logic that you accuse people of not having what would that mean?

If the team combined have more then enough ability to utterly destroy the singular character then yes, yes I would disagree.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by grey fox
If the team combined have more then enough ability to utterly destroy the singular character then yes, yes I would disagree. yes

CaptainStoic

CaptainStoic
Sorry for the double post but I need to say that this is not about the Hulk, but about Wonder Woman defeating the Bi-Coastal Avengers.

grey fox
Because it's marvel and the Hulk sells. Why do you think Wolverine can keep up with guys who outclass him ? Or Cap , or Spidey ? Ect.

Validus
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
How is it PIS/CIS when the Hulk has been shown do take on mobs like this more than once? The comics clearly acknowledge that the Hulk has the ability to do so, why is it that no one except a few people can see this?
Because Thor, Iron Man, Dr. Strange and others have shown the ability the stall or beat Hulk by themselves yet when all of them team up, they prove to be ineffective. It simply isn't logical.

Basically, it's up to you to pick which showing should take precedence. Many people just happen to agree it's the one on one showings.

TricksterPriest
Thor, She Hulk, Ironman, Vision, Scalet Witch, Captain America, Hercules (Immortal), Wasp, Wonder Man, Namor, Black Knight, Dr. Strange, Doc. Samson, Captain Marvel (Jessica Rambeau), Eros, Powerman, Iron Fist, Hawk Eye, Mocking Bird.

Take Thor and Dr. Strange out, and yes, I believe she would win even sans PIS/CIS. cool

CaptainStoic
Ok but it still happened right? Was Thor's win over the Infinity Watch also PIS? What about Doomsday beating up the entire JLA, Maxima, and all of those other Heroes that would most likely crush him? No one points out PIS when Superman amped or not stopped Imperiex... why is it when it comes to the Hulks wins that he could have never done so. Yes he sells comics as does Spiderman, but when I read the comic book that showed Spiderman ripping Firelord, it was completely feasible. The story usually shows the whys and the why nots that a certain character would win. No one except someone in Thor's class would dare interrupt or jump into a fight with the Hulk because that within itself would be CIS, as these two guys would be throwing around too much weight for a lesser being to intervene. Dr. Strange himself has had his mystic shields of Cyttorak broken by the Hulks fists... If Strange was so convinced that he could take on the hulk alone why would he have manifested Zom? The answer is that Hulk is a real threat to anyone under the Level considered as Sky Father, and even at that in a slug fest or feat of strength he can tap into an infinite well of power.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Ok but it still happened right? Was Thor's win over the Infinity Watch also PIS? What about Doomsday beating up the entire JLA, Maxima, and all of those other Heroes that would most likely crush him? No one points out PIS when Superman amped or not stopped Imperiex... why is it when it comes to the Hulks wins that he could have never done so. Yes he sells comics as does Spiderman, but when I read the comic book that showed Spiderman ripping Firelord, it was completely feasible. The story usually shows the whys and the why nots that a certain character would win. No one except someone in Thor's class would dare interrupt or jump into a fight with the Hulk because that within itself would be CIS, as these two guys would be throwing around too much weight for a lesser being to intervene. Dr. Strange himself has had his mystic shields of Cyttorak broken by the Hulks fists... If Strange was so convinced that he could take on the hulk alone why would he have manifested Zom? The answer is that Hulk is a real threat to anyone under the Level considered as Sky Father, and even at that in a slug fest or feat of strength he can tap into an infinite well of power.

It was somewhat PIS when Thor beat the IW. True, he was amped in warrior madness and had the power gem, but they could have beaten him.

Doomsday beating the JLA IS NOT PIS. Since he has shown he actually is that powerful.

Supes had a massive amp courtesy of Kismet and Darkseid.

whatdur You think SMvsFL is feasible? shocklaugh

Breaking the crimson bands is PIS for hulk, considering the bands are supposed to be the force that holds the universe together.

Hulk beating Strange/Zom is enormous PIS and proof that Strange is jobbing.

grey fox
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Was Thor's win over the Infinity Watch also PIS?


Pretty sure he had the power gem

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
What about Doomsday beating up the entire JLA,


Bullshit line-up

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Maxima, and all of those other Heroes that would most likely crush him?


Who Doomsday ? Nah, t'was a Superman event . Kent has to seal the deal

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No one points out PIS when Superman amped or not stopped Imperiex...


We dont need to , it was obvious


Originally posted by CaptainStoic
why is it when it comes to the Hulks wins that he could have never done so.


Because Hulk tends to win against people whom technically have the skills, powersets and smarts to kick his ass


Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Yes he sells comics as does Spiderman, but when I read the comic book that showed Spiderman ripping Firelord, it was completely feasible.


No it wasn't. Only Firelord giving some BS about 'being honourable' attempted to explain. Otherwise he could of turned Spidey into a godamned flap-jack !

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If Strange was so convinced that he could take on the hulk alone why would he have manifested Zom?


A. Plot device to get Strange into a slug-fest somehow .

B. Strange was under CIS, he could of easily teleported Hulk into the Sun, but no, lets do it the fanboys way.

CaptainStoic
so if Wonder Woman knocks out the Juggernaut (fully powered) could that too be considered PIS?

grey fox
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
so if Wonder Woman knocks out the Juggernaut (fully powered) could that too be considered PIS?

On KMC or in a comic ?

Validus
Don't act like this is exclusive to Hulk. People call PIS/CIS on whatever stupid shit happens in a comic.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
so if Wonder Woman knocks out the Juggernaut (fully powered) could that too be considered PIS?

Of course. She might be able to stop him with her lasso, but she couldn't KO him if he was at full power.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by grey fox
On KMC or in a comic ?

Either. I don't think that she hits as hard as Mjolnir does in Thor's hands and with all of his might he could not even faze him (Cain). Wonder Woman IMO is slightly under guys like the Hulk and Juggernaut. Just remember that when the Hulk gets a full head of steam very few terrestrial Heroes can stand up to him. I'm sure Black Bolts scream would KO Diana for instance.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Of course. She might be able to stop him with her lasso, but she couldn't KO him if he was at full power.

he is unstoppable, her lasso may not even be able to touch his skin, because of the mystical nature of his powers. he may be able to cancel the lasso's effects.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Either. I don't think that she hits as hard as Mjolnir does in Thor's hands and with all of his might he could not even faze him (Cain). Wonder Woman IMO is slightly under guys like the Hulk and Juggernaut. Just remember that when the Hulk gets a full head of steam very few terrestrial Heroes can stand up to him. I'm sure Black Bolts scream would KO Diana for instance.

Black Bolt's scream should have KO'd the Hulk also.

CaptainStoic
Ah but it did, once upon a time, but that was then, and this is now!

celestialdemon
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Ah but it did, once upon a time, but that was then, and this is now!

So now Hulk is mad. Big deal. It's still the same old Hulk. He didn't get any artifact or Power Cosmic upgrade. It's just a little more mad. Not impressive.

CaptainStoic
Wolverine stated that Banner's hide has become tougher to cut. Therefore he is tougher. If I recall correctly, just before he was launched into space over a year ago, he suffered another Gamma Bomb explosion... I guess that this is where he got this new upgrade.

CaptainStoic
Can Wonder Woman beat them all yes or no?

celestialdemon
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Can Wonder Woman beat them all yes or no?

Written correctly, no, but neither can Hulk.

grey fox
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wolverine stated that Banner's hide has become tougher to cut. Therefore he is tougher. If I recall correctly, just before he was launched into space over a year ago, he suffered another Gamma Bomb explosion... I guess that this is where he got this new upgrade.

Just because Wolverine said it does'nt make it true.

CaptainStoic
He did and it was, and he will again... if you smelllllll what... the ... Rock... is.... cooking! stick out tongue

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by grey fox
Just because Wolverine said it does'nt make it true.


Uh why would Logan lie? confused

celestialdemon
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
He did and it was, and he will again... if you smelllllll what... the ... Rock... is.... cooking! stick out tongue

I see. So that must mean the Hulk is nothing compared to Drax. big grin

grey fox
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Uh why would Logan lie? confused

It's not that he's lying , it's just he could be inaccurate. I mean Spidey once claimed (honestly) that he could take down the Hulk.

It's called Hyperbole, get used to it Stoic , cause it's gonna be around for a loooooooooooooong time.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
This may seem like spite to many, but I assure you that it is not. I just want to guage how strong people here on KMC believe that Wonder Woman is.

According to many here on KMC she could defeat the Hulk easily, even though he has been stated as having more raw power than he has ever had in comic book history.

In this thread, I want everyone to take into consideration that the Hulk had to be banished in order to be stopped. I will include all of the heroes that fought against him in that particular story arc to show that his recent wins in what has been called "World War Hulk" were not, and can not truly be considered PIS or CIS.

How many here believe that Wonder Woman could beat, two teams Avengers (West Coast, and East Coast) using the same amount of effort to take the Hulk in or kill him that the Hulk did?

To move things along these are the Heroes involved:

Thor, She Hulk, Ironman, Vision, Scalet Witch, Captain America, Hercules (Immortal), Wasp, Wonder Man, Namor, Black Knight, Dr. Strange, Doc. Samson, Captain Marvel (Jessica Rambeau), Eros, Powerman, Iron Fist, Hawk Eye, Mocking Bird. Here are some scans of the Heroes...
Hulk vs. Human Torch, Heroes For Hire, Avengers, and finally, Thor. IH #300
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6167/ih300humantorch13tt.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/2826/ih300humantorch23ss.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/762/ih300h4h17uj.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6943/ih300h4h28ez.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8748/avengersih300a8sa.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/5048/avengersih300b5wl.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/2603/avengersih300c4wv.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6705/avengersih300d2ze.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/7979/avengersih300e3su.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8761/avengersih300f8ui.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9619/avengersih300g8ef.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9328/avengersih300h2kk.jpg

Does anyone believe that Wonder Woman would win against all of these Heroes?
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http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7095/avengersih322c0am.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/8563/avengersih322d5oz.jpg
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/1342/avengersih322e2vk.jpg
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/3383/avengersih322f7yf.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7069/avengersih322j4xw.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/5613/avengersih322m9na.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/3958/avengersih322n4cq.jpg

Once again this is not spite, I just do not believe that Wonder Woman could defeat these guys who have trained together for years.

Obviously you dont' own Wonder woman annual where she is taking on about 40 villians all amped by circe.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by grey fox
It's not that he's lying , it's just he could be inaccurate. I mean Spidey once claimed (honestly) that he could take down the Hulk.

It's called Hyperbole, get used to it Stoic , cause it's gonna be around for a loooooooooooooong time.

Grey I'm going to hire you as my next lawyer. Wonder Woman will not beat up the bi-coastal Avengers. The reason why the Hulk did is because his physiology can adapt hers without her trinkets can not. Hell Monica Rambeau could most likely take her down alone back then. If Cheetah could give Diana a hard time back before she was amped, this is a no brainer.

HandOfFate
Originally posted by Validus
Because Thor, Iron Man, Dr. Strange and others have shown the ability the stall or beat Hulk by themselves yet when all of them team up, they prove to be ineffective. It simply isn't logical.

Sad but true.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Grey I'm going to hire you as my next lawyer. Wonder Woman will not beat up the bi-coastal Avengers. The reason why the Hulk did is because his physiology can adapt hers without her trinkets can not. Hell Monica Rambeau could most likely take her down alone back then. If Cheetah could give Diana a hard time back before she was amped, this is a no brainer.

Um, how in the hell are you bringing up cheetah? The toyman gives superman fits, peguin has been a pain in batman's ass, thor has had trouble with freaking magneto. It's called plot. Plus cheetah has been amped by circe, neron, and zoom.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Obviously you dont' own Wonder woman annual where she is taking on about 40 villians all amped by circe.

Post up the scans NVR, it won't hurt your argument. I searched for mines to show what she would be up against. Not once did anyone give a simple yes or no statement, but had to attach the But if she, or the what woulds. Show the forum that Wonder Woman who I believe could beat the hulk under certain circumstances could defeat some of the most powerful Avengers ever. wink

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Post up the scans NVR, it won't hurt your argument. I searched for mines to show what she would be up against. Not once did anyone give a simple yes or no statement, but had to attach the But if she, or the what woulds. Show the forum that Wonder Woman who I believe could beat the hulk under certain circumstances could defeat some of the most powerful Avengers ever. wink

First of all, Wonder Woman isn't beating all of those avengers. And niether is the hulk. Wonder Woman is beating hulk eight ways to sunday. And she has indeed fought off uberly amped villians in her annual. which just came out yesterday and I do not have scans. Find it for yourself.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, how in the hell are you bringing up cheetah? The toyman gives superman fits, peguin has been a pain in batman's ass, thor has had trouble with freaking magneto. It's called plot. Plus cheetah has been amped by circe, neron, and zoom.

how dare I bring up Cheetah? She gave Wonder Woman problems from the start, that is why. remember that here on KMC we have to find a true median between high and low showings, in order to gauge a character accurately. i also brought up Cheetah because she always seems to give Wonder Woman a hard way to go. if it was PIS she would have a history or at least one showing that I missed one shotting Cheetah. Can you show me one?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
how dare I bring up Cheetah? She gave Wonder Woman problems from the start, that is why. remember that here on KMC we have to find a true median between high and low showings, in order to gauge a character accurately. i also brought up Cheetah because she always seems to give Wonder Woman a hard way to go. if it was PIS she would have a history or at least one showing that I missed one shotting Cheetah. Can you show me one? You do realize that Wonder Woman got an official power up when Perez did her, and then another when Byrne did her right? And cheetah has been getting amps along the way as well. Oops. You didn't know that did you? Did you also know that Cheetahs claws emmit a magical poision enchanted by a God?

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, Wonder Woman isn't beating all of those avengers. And niether is the hulk. Wonder Woman is beating hulk eight ways to sunday. And she has indeed fought off uberly amped villians in her annual. which just came out yesterday and I do not have scans. Find it for yourself.


But he did NVR as much as it pains many readers to believe, and he did it quite convincingly at that.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
how dare I bring up Cheetah? She gave Wonder Woman problems from the start, that is why. remember that here on KMC we have to find a true median between high and low showings, in order to gauge a character accurately. i also brought up Cheetah because she always seems to give Wonder Woman a hard way to go. if it was PIS she would have a history or at least one showing that I missed one shotting Cheetah. Can you show me one?

It's a stupid comparison nowadays because Cheetah's been upgraded by training with Zoom. She's now fast enough to jack Donna Troy's lasso from her before she could react.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
But he did NVR as much as it pains many readers to believe, and he did it quite convincingly at that.

And Any One his lvl or above can be written to be taking on entire teams. First of all, lot's of the people he beat can't even harm him. Only the higher ones even register at all. Superman has beaten the JLA including orion and barda, amped by the sun. WW kept up with an amped superman while holding back. You see how that sounds? A lil fishy. Either the JLA wasn't being written properly, or one can assume ww could accomplish the same feat, Even tho she was getting owned too. you can't take into account team battles. They jobber alot.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that Wonder Woman got an official power up when Perez did her, and then another when Byrne did her right? And cheetah has been getting amps along the way as well. Oops. You didn't know that did you? Did you also know that Cheetahs claws emmit a magical poision enchanted by a God?

You've just shown another one of Diana's weakness'. That poison would never keep the hulk down now would it? No because he's a disgusting genetic freak of nature. his blood is more than likely enough to get Wonder Woman sick. I bet that if Kitty Pryde phased her into stone that you could call it quits for her as well. The Hulk has too many ways of beating her, via his healing factor. He can adapt over time where she will remain the same. Much like Doomsday who is a direct rip off of Banner.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You've just shown another one of Diana's weakness'. That poison would never keep the hulk down now would it? No because he's a disgusting genetic freak of nature. his blood is more than likely enough to get Wonder Woman sick. I bet that if Kitty Pryde phased her into stone that you could call it quits for her as well. The Hulk has too many ways of beating her, via his healing factor. He can adapt over time where she will remain the same. Much like Doomsday who is a direct rip off of Banner.

Are you dense or what? MAGICAL poison. By a God? Cheetah Gets her powers from a God. At any rate, WW has a healing power that is just as good as the hulks, And it's fair game in a match between them. He wouldn't be able to over come it if she chose to use it. She over came the molecular/magical power of Decay with it. Hulk cannot beat Wonder Woman. EVER. He can't even hit her.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
But he did NVR as much as it pains many readers to believe, and he did it quite convincingly at that.

That's why there is such a thing as PIS. Otherwise, we have to take everything into account like Spiderman beating Firelord and Juggernaut, Wolverine holding his own against the Hulk, and Storm hurting Surfer.

CaptainStoic
I gave my whys, and why nots. I do not believe that Wonder Woman could defeat them. The Hulk did and will again. She never will. Just remember the first question that this thread is asking. Oh and the comment of he would never be able to hit her... does this mean that she would be running a blitz type fight with him? If so I imagine that she would be afraid to be hit by him. Gladiator by the way lost to the much slower brute, and I'd put my money on him dominating her in her current form.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I gave my whys, and why nots. I do not believe that Wonder Woman could defeat them. The Hulk did and will again. She never will. Just remember the first question that this thread is asking. Oh and the comment of he would never be able to hit her... does this mean that she would be running a blitz type fight with him? If so I imagine that she would be afraid to be hit by him. Gladiator by the way lost to the much slower brute, and I'd put my money on him dominating her in her current form.

What is her current form? Do you know? Do you read her?

CaptainStoic
The last time I bought a Wonder Woman comic was about 7 months ago, but became a little jaded due to the time it took to produce new issues. The last one I bought was when Donna fought Giant Mans twin sister.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I gave my whys, and why nots. I do not believe that Wonder Woman could defeat them. The Hulk did and will again. She never will. Just remember the first question that this thread is asking. Oh and the comment of he would never be able to hit her... does this mean that she would be running a blitz type fight with him? If so I imagine that she would be afraid to be hit by him. Gladiator by the way lost to the much slower brute, and I'd put my money on him dominating her in her current form.



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CS don't you it's a never ending battle one that can not be won... WW is from DC land. PERIOD she wins. In the minds of all that is DC in KMC. Now if the shoe was on the other foot and HULK was from DC and WW was from MARVEL, Gray HULK would be able to to beat Spectre and WW couldn't handle the Rhino per those same DC'd fans.

Unfortunate but true... sad

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The last time I bought a Wonder Woman comic was about 7 months ago, but became a little jaded due to the time it took to produce new issues. The last one I bought was when Donna fought Giant Mans twin sister.

Zoinks. Giganta is amped by circe. Much stronger than she used to be. She was able to beat Donna, who had on the magical armor and the sword of hephestius.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Tony Stark
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CS don't you it's a never ending battle one that can not be won... WW is from DC land. PERIOD she wins. In the minds of all that is DC in KMC. Now if the shoe was on the other foot and HULK was from DC and WW was from MARVEL, Gray HULK would be able to to beat Spectre and WW couldn't handle the Rhino per those same DC'd fans.

Unfortunate but true... sad

I think you're right Tony, besides i have to run before my Wonder Woman Hulks out on me, because the madder she gets... yadda yadda....!
See Y'all on the flip side.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Tony Stark
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CS don't you it's a never ending battle one that can not be won... WW is from DC land. PERIOD she wins. In the minds of all that is DC in KMC. Now if the shoe was on the other foot and HULK was from DC and WW was from MARVEL, Gray HULK would be able to to beat Spectre and WW couldn't handle the Rhino per those same DC'd fans.

Unfortunate but true... sad

Um no.
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

This is a strength feat that proves that WW is *** for tat with the Hulk. And This isn't including all of her other powers and weapons.

SuperiorTech
I think the avenger's win i think none jobbing Thor and Doctor strange alone would give diana lot's of trouble and you still have the rest.Superman and WW have feat's supassing pretty much most of marvel except people like galactus and beyonder.

Barbarian Shams
I hate Hulk fanboys even more than Wolverine fanboys. Could the Avengers survive the blast that nvr just posted? Heck no, especially not a combined blast from the entire DC Olympian Pantheon. That's enough power to wipe out multiple teams five times over. Granted WW isn't beating all the Avengers, but she's definitely a peer of Superman going by numerous showings including the fight from Sacrifice.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Grey I'm going to hire you as my next lawyer. Wonder Woman will not beat up the bi-coastal Avengers. The reason why the Hulk did is because his physiology can adapt hers without her trinkets can not. Hell Monica Rambeau could most likely take her down alone back then. If Cheetah could give Diana a hard time back before she was amped, this is a no brainer.

Just how would hulk deal with this?
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=WW194-2.jpg


Could Hulk survive being blown up by a magic lasso?

http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warofthegods04376lj.jpg

She can give and take as good as the Hulk. Here she fights a creature stronger than the original
http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww11128if.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww11135cx.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww11143ol.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww11162sr.jpg


You think Hulk causing her some pain is going to bother her?
http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10226vl.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10249os.jpg

You think her durability was a fluke with Superman crashing her into the earth? check these two out

http://img46.imageshack.us/my.phpimage=jlaheavensladderp0333zt.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6803/12052005024323am0sx.jpg

So you think Wonder Woman can't take on teams of high end characters? how bout this?
http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla111wwvssuperwoman35bm.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla111wwvssuperwoman50ai.jpg

Um here she is fightign a DAXAMITE
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww7146ol.jpg

Here she actually fights a crazy Olympian God
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwomanv2192184qn.jpg

Here she is in the middle of a black hole.
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww770208sd.jpg

Just so you would respect her and know that The Hulk doesn't stand a chance.

Shin_Nikkolas
Thor alone murders her. The others laugh at whoever made this thread.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Thor alone murders her. The others laugh at whoever made this thread.

The Sheer Rediculousness.

CaptainStoic
Wow look at that human holding onto her in the middle of a black hole, what would you call that? I call it poor writing skills, I mean if he can hold onto her it doesn't say much about her strength does it?

Where did the rest of the fight with Doomsday go? didn't want anyone else to see what happens next did you?

The Daxamite sure looked stronger to me, Diana used leverage.

Ultraman looked like he was taking on Superman and Wonder Woman alone. hmm I bet he'd break her neck if he really went all out on her one on one.

Shin if it was so ridiculous why did you even bother to post? What makes this thread any more ridiculous than Wonder Woman beating someone that owned Superman's clone Gladiator? Yea thought so.


Wonder Woman without her trinkets is a lot less than she is with them don't you think? The energy blast from the Pantheon was not deflected by her own flesh, but by her bracelets, Captain America's Shield could do that as well.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Here she actually fights a crazy Olympian God
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwomanv2192184qn.jpg

A fight with a god that ends with "Arrrgh! MY EYES!" tells me that it's likely a pretty prissy god.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Here she is in the middle of a black hole.
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww770208sd.jpg

It's pretty obvious she's not in the blackhole. Otherwise the people she's holding would have been destroyed.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Sheer Rediculousness.

Ofcourse he does not murder her but are you saying thor cant fight wonder woman one on one

BentonGrey
Nvr, that fight with the Crime Syndicate....she didn't really do much right there, she was the last one standing, because she had stalemated her doppleganger, and then they put her down handily. What comic did she take on Doomsday in?! How was she not turned into a greasy spot on the sidewalk!? I swear, DC has way overhyped Wonder Woman.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic



Wonder Woman without her trinkets is a lot less than she is with them don't you think? The energy blast from the Pantheon was not deflected by her own flesh, but by her bracelets, Captain America's Shield could do that as well.

You misunderstand don't you. The scan talks about her muscles buttressing the force of the blow. I don't give a damn how powerful captain shield is, if A blow that is destruction times infinity hits him, he will be smashed into nothingness and his shield will remain.

CaptainStoic
Hyperbole. And Vibranium within the shield absorbs impacts. Unless you are trying to say that Wonder Woman is stronger than Darkseid, or Thanos. Destuction times Infinity? Wow thats pretty heavy, in fact just writing it makes me feel all woozy (LOL). Come on you know what was written is hyperbole. Uhm... don't you?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Hyperbole. And Vibranium within the shield absorbs impacts. Unless you are trying to say that Wonder Woman is stronger than Darkseid, or Thanos. Destuction times Infinity? Wow thats pretty heavy, in fact just writing it makes me feel all woozy (LOL). Come on you know what was written is hyperbole. Uhm... don't you?

So it's hyperbole when she's been in other situations of simliar weight? no. It's no longer hyperbole or PIS. She braced for the blast and the scan clearly says so. It is so irritating when she does something worth while, it's hyperbole, but when Thor or the hulk does something equally rediculous, it's a strength feat. Get that BS outta here.

CaptainStoic
NVR if she could do all of that with those tiny bracelets this would mean that she could deflect a blast from LT with them. The reason why it is obviously hyperbole is because of the fact that it mentions the words "Destruction times Infinity" (meaning she deflected a blast that could destroy all of existence), when we all know that Wonder Woman has a cap on her strength. One day she's pummeled by Lobo, (boot to mouth) the next she's stronger than all of the Deities in a Pantheon? Inconsistencies lead to PIS. That one instance needs to be stricken from memory. As it stands Diana has to have some of the dumbest power sets known to comics. She can take hits from Superman but her skin can be penetrated by high caliber rounds? How can you even argue for a character that has this many contradictions nailed to her a**?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
NVR if she could do all of that with those tiny bracelets this would mean that she could deflect a blast from LT with them. The reason why it is obviously hyperbole is because of the fact that it mentions the words "Destruction times Infinity" (meaning she deflected a blast that could destroy all of existence), when we all know that Wonder Woman has a cap on her strength. One day she's pummeled by Lobo, (boot to mouth) the next she's stronger than all of the Deities in a Pantheon? Inconsistencies lead to PIS. That one instance needs to be stricken from memory. As it stands Diana has to have some of the dumbest power sets known to comics. She can take hits from Superman but her skin can be penetrated by high caliber rounds? How can you even argue for a character that has this many contradictions nailed to her a**?

Um, Some days hulk has a hard time with she hulk or Thing. Nuff said.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
NVR if she could do all of that with those tiny bracelets this would mean that she could deflect a blast from LT with them. The reason why it is obviously hyperbole is because of the fact that it mentions the words "Destruction times Infinity" (meaning she deflected a blast that could destroy all of existence), when we all know that Wonder Woman has a cap on her strength. One day she's pummeled by Lobo, (boot to mouth) the next she's stronger than all of the Deities in a Pantheon? Inconsistencies lead to PIS. That one instance needs to be stricken from memory. As it stands Diana has to have some of the dumbest power sets known to comics. She can take hits from Superman but her skin can be penetrated by high caliber rounds? How can you even argue for a character that has this many contradictions nailed to her a**?

thumb down stfugtfo Please terminate your account at KMC. It's clear you understand nothing about we debate comics or even basic common sense.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
thumb down stfugtfo Please terminate your account at KMC. It's clear you understand nothing about we debate comics or even basic common sense.

I agree. He hates that I came up with a strength feat of unimaginable power from Diana and all of a sudden it's PIS. LOL. NOT when her and Superman have also held up the weight of the mind of the cosmos.

TricksterPriest
bump.

Soljer
No need to bump this.

If the Avengers fought with the same level of intelligence and power as they did in those instances? Diana wins, and does so quickly.

If they fight as they should on the forum? Diana goes down hard.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soljer
No need to bump this.

If the Avengers fought with the same level of intelligence and power as they did in those instances? Diana wins, and does so quickly.

If they fight as they should on the forum? Diana goes down hard.

Summed up nice and neat.

celestialdemon
Originally posted by Soljer
No need to bump this.

If the Avengers fought with the same level of intelligence and power as they did in those instances? Diana wins, and does so quickly.

If they fight as they should on the forum? Diana goes down hard.

Perfectly stated.

Soljer
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Summed up nice and neat.

Why, Nvr, I nvr could have imagined you'd be so cordial.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Soljer
No need to bump this.

If the Avengers fought with the same level of intelligence and power as they did in those instances? Diana wins, and does so quickly.

If they fight as they should on the forum? Diana goes down hard.

I bumped it so my message to Captainstoic would get read.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
thumb down stfugtfo Please terminate your account at KMC. It's clear you understand nothing about we debate comics or even basic common sense.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soljer
Why, Nvr, I nvr could have imagined you'd be so cordial. Dont' get used to it. I still dont' trust you as far as I can throw a semi. Any day now you will say something evil face to me. I feel it in my soul.

Soljer
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dont' get used to it. I still dont' trust you as far as I can throw a semi. Any day now you will say something evil face to me. I feel it in my soul.

Too bad you aren't MasterBruce.

He can toss a semi across two state lines...

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