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The match will consist of a battle between myself and Phenomenol and will last until wednesday. Unfortunately due to Phenom's demands I was unable to provide much advanced notice, so i'll have to request judges after we start.

The characters being debated are:

Dark Schneider: Repped by me

Goku: repped by Phenomenol


Stipulations: These are the canon versions of each, that being manga version of both characters. Let the fight begin!
Start time: Monday 1 pm pacific coast time
End time: Thursday Midnight pacific coast time

judges so far: Soljer, Trickster Priest, Snazzysmurph

I will be a judge if you like.

I'll Judge.

I'll judge.

I'm willing to judge.

I'll judge.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'll Judge.
i'm looking to get judgs whose impartiality will not be challenged by Phenomenol, so King kandy, and V2d can't judge since they have already expressed an opinion on the match, everyone else is good though.

Originally posted by Akuki
i'm looking to get judgs whose impartiality will not be challenged by Phenomenol, so I'll be asking Darthgoober, Pr, and some others to do this. I'll judge.

Would he question mine?

I've read every page of the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z manga, and have never heard of Dark Schneider. If anything, I'd be biased in HIS direction.

...

Do you have any stipulations on this match?

Time limits/starting date, in particular?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I will be a judge if you like.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'll Judge. Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'll judge. Originally posted by Soljer
I'm willing to judge.

I'll execu- er.. I'll ju-




-ust watch. ermm

There should be 5 judges

Ill judge also

Originally posted by Soljer
Time limits/starting date, in particular?

I'm making this match last till thursday midnight pacific coast time, the start time will be monday 1p.m. pacific coast time. Manga versions for both characters.

Strictly speaking, you're going to have a VERY hard time finding judges who don't hate Phenomenol and are willing to be unbiased.

And here's one reason you should take me. I can read japanese.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I can read japanese.

So, I can read babel fish

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strictly speaking, you're going to have a VERY hard time finding judges who don't hate Phenomenol and are willing to be unbiased.

And here's one reason you should take me. I can read japanese. I've hardly spoken to Phenom.

I'm unbiased.

ill judge, im not partial to either of you or either characters

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strictly speaking, you're going to have a VERY hard time finding judges who don't hate Phenomenol and are willing to be unbiased.

And here's one reason you should take me. I can read japanese.
If you look at the top I've already added you. I think this should be plenty, although i'm planning on asking Pr later.

I like Goku and don't really know jack shit about DS, I am unbiased. I wanna judge!

Any stipulations in this match?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
There should be 5 judges

Ill judge also

Gecko for life, GET YO BIAS @#$ out of here!! No OBD allowed.

Violent2dope LEAVE!

King Kandy LEAVE!!

Babelfish will not help if the manga is presented in the original japanese with hiragana and kanji.

And thanks for adding me.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Gecko for life, GET YO BIAS @#$ out of here!! No OBD allowed.

Violent2dope LEAVE!

King Kandy LEAVE!! Do you object to the judges listed in the first post?

Originally posted by Akuki
i'm looking to get judgs whose impartiality will not be challenged by Phenomenol, so King kandy, and V2d can't judge since they have already expressed an opinion on the match, everyone else is good though.
I never, ever expressed an opinion on the match.

The only opinion I expressed, was that Phenominal would be a coward not to accept your battledome challenge.

Originally posted by Akuki Stipulations: These are the canon versions of each, that being manga version of both characters.

Up, no!

Akira toriyama considers the ANIME and Manga the same, thus equals CANON!!!

ill judge

Now now Kandy. It is his right to reject judges he sees as biased.

And on a judging standpoint, the anime is inadmissable. Manga only.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Up, no!

Akira toriyama considers the ANIME and Manga the same, thus equals CANON!!!
how about we make it so that you can use anime feats so long as you can convince the judges that the anime is canon?

I wanted to judge.

Seriously, are there any stipulations?

Originally posted by Akuki
how about we make it so that you can use anime feats so long as you can convince the judges that the anime is canon?

I can live with that. But you have to prove the anime is canon before you start posting anything else from it.

Originally posted by Akuki
how about we make it so that you can use anime feats so long as you can convince the judges that the anime is canon?

Troiyama in an interview states that the Anime and Manga are the same.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Troiyama in an interview states that the Anime and Manga are the same.
Save it for the battle.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Troiyama in an interview states that the Anime and Manga are the same.

Show us in the match, not now. I take it you have no objections to myself, soljer, and smurf?

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Troiyama in an interview states that the Anime and Manga are the same.
in which case you can easily provide the judges with links to said interview and therefore if they agree with your interpretation of it then you would probably be allowed to use it.

Originally posted by Akuki
how about we make it so that you can use anime feats so long as you can convince the judges that the anime is canon?

This sounds like the best methodology.

It's widely considered that the two are separate. Prove they're the same in the match, and feel free to use whatever anime showings you want.

If you convinced the judge that the anime is canon, they'll take those showings into account. If the judge doesn't believe the anime is canon, they'll ignore said showings.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I can live with that. But you have to prove the anime is canon before you start posting anything else from it.

The Anime and Me," a mini-manga by Toriyama where he talks about the origin of Dragonball and his relation in regards to the anime. It was an insert of "Dragonball Z Anime Special," 1989.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/dayspring/AnimeMe4.jpg
12: From time to time, il would happen that people whom I didn't even know were approaching me about the anime. Things were often said like: "Oh jeeze, between the manga and the anime, you must never take any time to let yourself breathe!". In reality, I had hardly worked at all on the anime, I had put confidence in my collaborators. I had enough to do just with the manga. I didn't want to work myself to death, you know...

Toriyama: I want to live until I'm 100 years old!

13: For example, drawing an image of a movement in a manga is relatively simple, but to animate this image, you had to decompose the movement and draw all the intermediary movements. That demands a colossal amount of work. (Ok, the example of Kame-sennin might not be the most appropriate...)

14: Of course, those who have read Dragon Ball have noticed that certain stories which are found in the anime didn't existe in the manga.

Oolong: What's this? I never saw that in the manga....

END: As one adventure in the manga corresponds to about 10 minutes of animation, and since one episode comprises on average 30 minutes, the entire series of Dragon Ball would have passed by very quickly. The team of animators therefore had to insert some original stories. I admire what they have done, that's a hell of a job!

Toriyama: Dragon Ball, it's the anime and the manga

Anime=Canon.

So who are the judges?

Well In case you haven't noticed, your suposed to post that in the match, not in this thread.

I am getting it out the way now, because the Goku vs DS thread is going to be a stomp.

Well the rules say you have to post it in the match itself. Most Judges + Akuki have agreed on that.

Whatever.

Make the match now Akuki, hell you were the one who had the idea, I am ready to rape.

Your time fram is terrible, we start this now, not Monday!

Just to confirm now, phenom because i don't want any complatins later, do you have any grave issues with the current judges, the format or the time settings?

What version of Goku? Beginning Dragonball? End Dragonball? End Z? End GT? Is he allowed to transform?

Have some patience, it takes these things a while to get arranged.

Have you even agreed on the Judges yet? They're on the first post.

So is there any penalty for the loser.

Originally posted by Soljer
What version of Goku? Beginning Dragonball? End Dragonball? End Z? End GT? Is he allowed to transform?
I'm under the impression that this would be a battle between the Goku at the end of the manga vs. the most powerful version of D.S.

Originally posted by Alucard25
So is there any penalty for the loser.
Not that Phenom has agreed to yet.

You want to use the strongest version of DS against Goku.....?

Well, if Phenom is ok with it, then alright.

I'm not a judge. Oh well, I'm off to make my battlezone with Phenom heheh.

Originally posted by Akuki
Just to confirm now, phenom because i don't want any complatins later, do you have any grave issues with the current judges, the format or the time settings?

YES I DO, Your time frame is weak, we get this done now!!!!! Like you agreed.

Not Monday!!! People are busy during the week.



This is the END of Dragonball Z Goku! And hell yes he gets to transform (won't be needed).



Your not a judge stop posting and you were the one talking smack in the other thread about getting this tournament on!

THIS NEEDS TO START NOW!!!!

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Which version of Dark Schneider? Just to be clear, I will not allow DS to use the judas pain.
Umm, why not? that's the version that Phenomenol is convinced would be stomped by Goku.
Also the reason that I'm not starting it tonight is because I have a huge essay due tommorow that I need to keep working on, so I'm pretty booked tonight.

Phen seems ripped and roaring to go....

I don't have any problem with you guys starting now.

Originally posted by Akuki
Umm, why not? that's the version that Phenomenol is convinced would be stomped by Goku.

Majin DS will be stomped, this tournament is going to be over faster than I change my socks!

Also, Akuki hurry up and do this now like you claimed you would, don't tell me your getting cold feet?

Start it now!!!!

Phenom is free to start posting now, i'm just warning him that i won't have time to make a full response for a while.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Majin DS will be stomped, this tournament is going to be over faster than I change my socks! You change socks pretty fast, I take it?

Originally posted by Akuki
Phenom is free to start posting now, i'm just warning him that i won't have time to make a full response for a while.

We agreed to start now what is the hold up???

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
You change socks pretty fast, I take it?

Faster than I can cut a sandwich!!!

Originally posted by Phenomenol
We agreed to start now what is the hold up???
Were you even listening? He has an essay to write.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
We agreed to start now what is the hold up???
Akuki said that you were free to start posting.

You just wouldn't get a response for a little while.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Were you even listening? He has an essay to write.

And? He didn't say anything about that in the last thread with all that crap talking YOU and Akuki were doing!!

Goku WINS!!! CURBSTOMP!!!

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Faster than I can cut a sandwich!!! Wow that's fast.

I bet you could change socks right in between KMC posts, and no one would even realize...

Originally posted by Phenomenol
And? He didn't say anything about that in the last thread with all that crap talking YOU and Akuki were doing!!

Goku WINS!!! CURBSTOMP!!!

The other thread, mi amigo. You're free to prove your case.

This should be hilarious.

I agree.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Wow that's fast.

I bet you could change socks right in between KMC posts, and no one would even realize...

I just did it now!

Anyways whatever, akuki can have his PREP-TIME!!!! Dark Schneider NEEDS Prep-Time to even LOOK AT GOKU, LOL!!!

I am going to watch the Football game, next time I come here there better be some posting. This thread won't take long at all.

Game on folks. Judas pain DS vs. SSJ3 Goku, correct?

Originally posted by Phenomenol
I just did it now!
Really?

What was the sock's name?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Really?

What was the sock's name? WHITEBEARD.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
I just did it now!

Anyways whatever, akuki can have his PREP-TIME!!!! Dark Schneider NEEDS Prep-Time to even LOOK AT GOKU, LOL!!!

I am going to watch the Football game, next time I come here there better be some posting. This thread won't take long at all.

Here's the thread for you to post in. You're welcome to start now.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t467197.html

Have all the judges been chosen? If not, I'd like to throw my hat in as well.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Have all the judges been chosen? If not, I'd like to throw my hat in as well.

Ok, you're in.

What about me!? #bawlin#

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
What about me!? #bawlin#
You're already known to hate Phenom, so you're not really unbiased, plus the fact that you're already having a match with him.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
WHITEBEARD.

I too cool to be a sock, You must be some guy that has been pnwed by me on another forum, to troll me for no reason at all.

Man, the E net is full of LOLz

Originally posted by Akuki
You're already known to hate Phenom, so you're not really unbiased, plus the fact that you're already having a match with him. I don't really dislike Phenom lol. My match with him is after yours.

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
I too cool to be a sock, You must be some guy that has been pnwed by me on another forum, to troll me for no reason at all.

Man, the E net is full of LOLz I don't really go on any other forums.

Plus, you... pwn... me? Just doesn't sound right. You pwning anyone doesn't sound right either.

I've just noticed you two are exactly the same, through my short readings.

So, who do you all think wins this?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I don't really go on any other forums.

Plus, you... pwn... me? Just doesn't sound right. You pwning anyone doesn't sound right either.

I've just noticed you two are exactly the same, through my short readings.

LOL, just cuz you got pwned by 2 people don't mean they are the same..

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
LOL, just cuz you got pwned by 2 people don't mean they are the same..

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
You're an idiot.

Thats not Canon, Non Canon Poster.

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
Thats not Canon

Yes it is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes it is.

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
Thats not Canon, Non Canon Poster.

Cannons shoot balls.

*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Cannons shoot balls.

*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*

Not always. They also fired chains, or grapeshot, or....

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Cannons shoot balls.

*Boom* *Boom* *Boom*

Originally posted by Soljer
hysterical

Originally posted by Soljer
Not always. They also fired chains, or grapeshot, or....

If I recall military history the chains didn't fire so much as they swung around and killed the idiots trying to use them as cannon shot

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If I recall military history the chains didn't fire so much as they swung around and killed the idiots trying to use them as cannon shot

They still tried. Their rate of success varied, but they still tried.

Originally posted by Soljer
They still tried. Their rate of success varied, but they still tried.

Always wondered who managed to convince people that "it'll work this time" with inventions like that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Always wondered who managed to convince people that "it'll work this time" with inventions like that. Whoever held the biggest metaphorical stick, I would assume.

Also, Sol, i'm speculative about mod intervention... ermmhappy

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Whoever held the biggest metaphorical stick, I would assume.

Also, Sol, i'm speculative about mod intervention... ermmhappy

Wha? Why? I just google-image'd 'geek.' ermm.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wha? Why? I just google-image'd 'geek.' ermm. Well, I'm just following the natural C&E chain, to when Masterbruce requests authoritative action.

Still, til then... crylaugh

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Well, I'm just following the natural C&E chain, to when Masterbruce requests authoritative action.

Still, til then... crylaugh

Don't see what's so funny....

Hell, I was considering making him a respect thread.....

Originally posted by Soljer
Don't see what's so funny....

Hell, I was considering making him a respect thread.....

Hasn't that been tried already?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hasn't that been tried already?

Yeah, but it was shut down for lack of scans. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah, but it was shut down for lack of scans. .

STALKING TIME!!!!!

I wonder where Phenom is, I thought he was going to start posting first.

Let's settle down, yes?

Is this guy that important?

Originally posted by Dusty
Let's settle down, yes?

Is this guy that important? I wasn't aware we were creating a ruckus. srug

Originally posted by Dusty
Let's settle down, yes?

Is this guy that important?

Yes I am, for some reason they think Im Phenom, so I will act like him.

"Post that scan NOW!!!!"

Originally posted by WHITEBEARD
Yes I am, for some reason they think Im Phenom, so I will act like him.

"Post that scan NOW!!!!"



Have fun with that, then.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I wasn't aware we were creating a ruckus. srug

Even so.

Originally posted by Dusty
Have fun with that, then.

"What?????? R U chatting??????"

BTW, Nice Avatar.

Originally posted by Dusty
Even so. Were there reports, or are we just to stop being assclowns?

Originally posted by Akuki
I wonder where Phenom is, I thought he was going to start posting first.

Probably came to his senses and realized he was gonna lose.