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Who lives?
Who dies?

Originally posted by HandOfFate
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Who lives?
Who dies?

Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor
5.) Black Bolt

would take him out without too much difficulty.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor

would take him out without too much difficulty.

*wonders where SpaceMummy sees those characters*

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor

would take him out without too much difficulty.

Umm .. are you kidding ?

Besides, this isn't about Marvel.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor
5.) Black Bolt

would take him out without too much difficulty. That's the way I see it too.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor
5.) Black Bolt

would take him out without too much difficulty.
ermmnone

Aaaaaaanyway. Iron beats him.

Everyone except batman flash and wonderwomen die

they are the a listers so they are only "nearly mortally wounded"

The only people in that picture who can threaten him are Alan, Firestorm and Wally. Everyone else should get chumped with ease.

Hey, you said EARTH. you didn't specify which one!

Photon or Insane Genis, Moonstone Zemo, Sentry, Current Thor, Annihilation Surfer, Waters of Life Morg, and maybe World War III Black Adam would beat SMP.

And for the record, Black Bolt would die in about 2 seconds.

Flash solos SBP

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon or Insane Genis, Moonstone Zemo, Sentry, Current Thor, Annihilation Surfer, Waters of Life Morg, and maybe World War III Black Adam would beat SMP.

Not really.

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon or Insane Genis, Moonstone Zemo, Sentry, Current Thor, Annihilation Surfer, Waters of Life Morg, and maybe World War III Black Adam would beat SMP.

And for the record, Black Bolt would die in about 2 seconds.
Insane genis, Thor and black atom are the only ones who dont die pretty much instantly

Thor would get smoked pretty badly.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hey, you said EARTH. you didn't specify which one!

In that case, Solar solos

Originally posted by Priest
Flash solos SBP No he doesn't.

Originally posted by batdude123
No he doesn't.
Wonder Woman then?

I wonder how many (if any) will die against Super(boy)man Prime.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I wonder how many (if any) will die against Super(boy)man Prime.
All except the A listers

It will be young frankestien and ww3 all over again

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor
5.) Black Bolt

would take him out without too much difficulty.

Superboy PRime is FAR more powerful than people give him credit for. Just look at the power he's facing.

What issue is that scan from?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superboy PRime is FAR more powerful than people give him credit for. Just look at the power he's facing. Alan and Flash?

Wonder woman, Jay, Firestorm, Red Tornado and Batman...

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Alan and Flash?

Wonder woman, metamorpho, vixen, alan, flash, ect. Even Zuriel's scream can destroy ANY living matter.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Alan and Flash?

Metamorpho?

Firestorm?

Hourman?

Originally posted by Magee
What issue is that scan from?

seconded..what is that scan from ?

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Hmm..off the top of my head, I would say that:

1.) Full power strange
2.) Zemo
3.) Sentry
4.) Thor
5.) Black Bolt

would take him out without too much difficulty.


1.) Full power strange -Superboy-Prime is immune to magic. Strange dies. Hard.

2.) Zemo- The only one that has a chance.

3.) Sentry- You have no idea how painfully he's going to die here...

4.) Thor- Same as Sentry, just not as bad. But pretty horrible, all things considered.

5.) Black Bolt- Screams his loudest. Does less than it did to WWH. Then Superboy-rime proceds to tear off his limbs one by one, and then impale him with them.

They all die, except for Zemo.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
metamorpho, vixen, alan, flash, ect. Even Zuriel's scream can destroy ANY living matter.
Powerful bunch indeed.

Originally posted by batdude123
Metamorpho?

Firestorm?

Hourman? Suck in groups.
'Cept, maybe Metamorpho.

Originally posted by Photon009
Photon or Insane Genis, Moonstone Zemo, Sentry, Current Thor, Annihilation Surfer, Waters of Life Morg, and maybe World War III Black Adam would beat SMP.

And for the record, Black Bolt would die in about 2 seconds.

All of those except for Moonstone Zemo and MAYBE Photon would all die with no PIS or jobbing involved on Superboy-Prime's part.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Suck in groups.
'Cept, maybe Metamorpho.
Everybody sucks in groups. Still can't take away from Prime.

He's at least a Thanos level guy. At least.

Originally posted by Sirius77
1.) Full power strange -Superboy-Prime is immune to magic. Strange dies. Hard. Saying that Black Adam's magic punches "tickle" does not imply an immunity whatsoever.

Classic Strange can summon power that completely owns Black Adam's magic, and I doubt Prime would fair that well against it.

Originally posted by Priest
Flash solos SBP

Superboy-Prime beat the Flash merged with the Speed Force to New Earth. The Flash said that he couldn't keep up.

Originally posted by Validus
Everybody sucks in groups. Still can't take away from Prime.

He's at least a Thanos level guy. At least. Not trying to take anything away, just saying, he doesn't have to really worry about Firestorm, or Hourman, if we follow consistency.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Suck in groups.
'Cept, maybe Metamorpho.

Originally posted by Validus
Everybody sucks in groups. Still can't take away from Prime.

He's at least a Thanos level guy. At least.

What Validus said.

Brushing it off like a "meh" doesn't cut it with me.

Originally posted by Validus
Powerful bunch indeed.
Please don't edit my quotes with the expressed purpose of flaming.

Originally posted by batdude123
Saying that Black Adam's magic punches "tickle" does not imply an immunity whatsoever.

Classic Strange can summon power that completely owns Black Adam's magic, and I doubt Prime would fair that well against it.

You can't really say Strange>Shazam, because that's unfounded.

I was basing my statement off of the fact that every magical attack tried against Superboy-Prime has been deflected quite pitifully.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please don't edit my quotes with the expressed purpose of flaming.
Won't happen again, chief. salute

Originally posted by Sirius77
You can't really say Strange>Shazam, because that's unfounded.

I was basing my statement off of the fact that every magical attack tried against Superboy-Prime has been deflected quite pitifully.
Yeah, all one of them.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, all one of them.

What? Which one?

Originally posted by Sirius77
What? Which one?
*insert dur smiley*

Originally posted by Sirius77
You can't really say Strange>Shazam, because that's unfounded.

This logic is faulty. Shazam's power>>>>Black Adam's punches.

And even then, Strange can summon power greater than even Shazam himself.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I was basing my statement off of the fact that every magical attack tried against Superboy-Prime has been deflected quite pitifully.

Name some of the 'magical attacks' that was deflected pitifully by Prime.

Originally posted by Validus
*insert dur smiley*

You fail at dur. dur

Originally posted by batdude123
This logic is faulty. Shazam's power>>>>Black Adam's punches.

And even then, Strange can summon power greater than even Shazam himself.



Name some of the 'magical attacks' that was deflected pitifully by Prime.

Um, Shazam has shown that he can summon power greater than himself as well. Shazam is a lord of order, and as such could call anyone of his fellows to his aid. Nabu anyone? Kismet anyone? Hell, the magical artifacts that he used to completely disfigure the spectre were nice things to use. But yeah, the logic was faulty. Tho BA's punches seem ODD. DIdn't he use his magical punches to hurt the spectre once?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, Shazam has shown that he can summon power greater than himself as well. Shazam is a lord of order, and as such could call anyone of his fellows to his aid. Nabu anyone? Kismet anyone? Hell, the magical artifacts that he used to completely disfigure the spectre were nice things to use. But yeah, the logic was faulty. Tho BA's punches seem ODD. DIdn't he use his magical punches to hurt the spectre once?

Strange can summon power from Chaos and Order, Eternity, the Vishanti, etc.

All of whom are above Shazam, correct?

Your point is completely moot to the context in which I gave my post.

Originally posted by batdude123
Saying that Black Adam's magic punches "tickle" does not imply an immunity whatsoever.

Classic Strange can summon power that completely owns Black Adam's magic, and I doubt Prime would fair that well against it.
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Question Mark

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
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What magic has Prime come across?

Black Adam and Zauriel? That's it?

Hardly definitive proof of him being immune to magic.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
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Question Mark
This is definitive proof.

Originally posted by Validus
This is definitive proof.

By his own words?

Originally posted by batdude123
What magic has Prime come across?

Black Adam and Zauriel? That's it?

Hardly definitive proof of him being immune to magic.

Zuriel's sword on panel by the writer was said to cut thru any earthly material. JLA 1 Million anyone?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Zuriel's sword on panel by the writer was said to cut thru any earthly material. JLA 1 Million anyone?

Alright?

Superboy Prime isn't from Earth though. ermmhappy

Originally posted by batdude123
By his own words?
I've seen far less than that passed off as fact on this forum.

Pwned. baka

Originally posted by Validus
I've seen far less than that passed off as fact on this forum.

Pwned. baka

Holy shit.

That burned a little.

Originally posted by batdude123
This logic is faulty. Shazam's power>>>>Black Adam's punches.

And even then, Strange can summon power greater than even Shazam himself.



Name some of the 'magical attacks' that was deflected pitifully by Prime.

Zauriel's sword- Also while he swats it in half, he says "Your sword's magic. But magic doesn't hurt me." Go back to your creator angel."
Word for word.

Black Adam's punches.

The Starheart energy of the Star Spangled Kid's staff thingy.

Wonder Girls Lasso (might have been because she didn't have time to use it effectively though.)

To my knowledgew, Superboy-Prime has never been affected by magic.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Zauriel's sword- Also while he swats it in half, he says "Your sword's magic. But magic doesn't hurt me." Go back to your creator angel."
Word for word.

Black Adam's punches.

The Starheart energy of the Star Spangled Kid's staff thingy.

Wonder Girls Lasso (might have been because she didn't have time to use it effectively though.)

To my knowledgew, Superboy-Prime has never been affected by magic.

And all of those are pretty low level magic users compared to the ones Strange can summon. Therefore, if that's all you have to go by, it's asinine to say that he's outright "immune" to magic.

A punch from Robin would not hurt Wonder Woman, but does that mean she's immune to physical damage? No.

He's resistant, sure, but there's no concrete evidence suggesting he's immune to magic.

Btw, Courtney's cosmic staff is not derived from magic, AFAIK.

Originally posted by batdude123
A punch from Robin would not hurt Wonder Woman ermm

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
ermm
Cosign.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
ermm

Originally posted by Validus
Cosign. Pwned.

Originally posted by batdude123
And all of those are pretty low level magic users compared to the ones Strange can summon. Therefore, if that's all you have to go by, it's asinine to say that he's outright "immune" to magic.

A punch from Robin would not hurt Wonder Woman, but does that mean she's immune to physical damage? No.

He's resistant, sure, but there's no concrete evidence suggesting he's immune to magic.

Btw, Courtney's cosmic staff is not derived from magic, AFAIK.

Zauriel's sword is low level magic? The Eagle Host's flaming sword?
No.

Wonder Girl's lasso is low level magic? It's the same as Diana's, except without the truth coaxing ability, and with Zeus' lightning. That's high level magic.

Also, I was under the impression that the starheart was magic.

Also, this isn't Robin hitting wonder Woman we're talking about. It's full on attack by Black Adam that did absolutely nothing.

Another thing, Superboy-Prime wasn't just saying that magic didn't hurt him. He was proving it on panel as he was saying it. Scans have been posted. What more do you want?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Zauriel's sword is low level magic? The Eagle Host's flaming sword?
No.

Wonder Girl's lasso is low level magic? It's the same as Diana's, except without the truth coaxing ability, and with Zeus' lightning. That's high level magic.

Also, I was under the impression that the starheart was magic.

Also, this isn't Robin hitting wonder Woman we're talking about. It's full on attack by Black Adam that did absolutely nothing.

Another thing, Superboy-Prime wasn't just saying that magic didn't hurt him. He was proving it on panel as he was saying it. Scans have been posted. What more do you want?

You're being dense, Sirius.

If the Vishanti, or the In-Betweener, or Mr. Mxyzptlk were to attack Superboy Prime, he'd be able to shrug off their attacks like nothing?

You don't have the evidentiary support to back that claim.

Therefore, the magic he's ENCOUNTERED has done nothing to him. However, that doesn't give the right to suggest that he's immune.

Resistant? Yes.

Immune? Baseless speculation.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're being dense, Sirius.

If the Vishanti, or the In-Betweener, or Mr. Mxyzptlk were to attack Superboy Prime, he'd be able to shrug off their attacks like nothing?

Only Vish is magic

Originally posted by Magee
What issue is that scan from?

TALES OF THE SINESTRO CORPS PRESENTS: THE ANTI-MONITOR #1

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Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Only Vish is magic Wrong.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wrong.
Mxy is superscience and in-betweener is cosmic

Why would Strange be allowed to summon Chaos and Order?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Why would Strange be allowed to summon Chaos and Order?
wouldnt that take prep?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Why would Strange be allowed to summon Chaos and Order? Huh?

I'm talking about high level magiks in general now.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
wouldnt that take prep? Not really, but it would be outside help.

Plus, I was under the impression it only worked, because Chaos and Order created In-Betweener...

Originally posted by batdude123
You're being dense, Sirius.

If the Vishanti, or the In-Betweener, or Mr. Mxyzptlk were to attack Superboy Prime, he'd be able to shrug off their attacks like nothing?

You don't have the evidentiary support to back that claim.

Therefore, the magic he's ENCOUNTERED has done nothing to him. However, that doesn't give the right to suggest that he's immune.

Resistant? Yes.

Immune? Baseless speculation.

I'm sorry if I appear dense, but look at the on panel evidence. He
says he's immune to magic, and thus far, no magic has affected him in any way.

I'm not saying that he'd beat cosmics, but who says Strange would have the time to summon them?

I see your point, but the writers themselves stated that red solar energy was his only weakness.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm sorry if I appear dense, but look at the on panel evidence. He
says he's immune to magic, and thus far, no magic has affected him in any way.

I'm not saying that he'd beat cosmics, but who says Strange would have the time to summon them?

I see your point, but the writers themselves stated that red solar energy was his only weakness.
And high magic user can create red solar energy like you and I can type on our keypads. With great ease.

The idea of superboy prime being immune to magic, needs to be rid of. Hes not immune to it. Resistant a bit? Yea. Its no wonder why a high end magic user hasnt faced him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And high magic user can create red solar energy like you and I can type on our keypads. With great ease.

If given the time to think to cast it. Unless their cosmics.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm sorry if I appear dense, but look at the on panel evidence. He
says he's immune to magic, and thus far, no magic has affected him in any way.

I'm not saying that he'd beat cosmics, but who says Strange would have the time to summon them?

I see your point, but the writers themselves stated that red solar energy was his only weakness.

I apologize for calling you dense.

I usually don't take a characters own words about themselves as definitive proof. Especially when it hasn't been proven against high level magic users.

If I had Thing's durability on regular Earth, I'd be considered for all intents and purposes "immune" to physical damage, correct? I mean no one on the planet would be able to harm me with a punch.

But if someone had the strength of say, Superman... he'd be able to kick the shit out of me.

Do you see what I'm saying? Just because he's shown some resistance to the likes of Black Adam doesn't mean Superboy Prime would be immune to someone like Agamotto or the Spectre.

Originally posted by batdude123
I apologize for calling you dense.

I usually don't take a characters own words about themselves as definitive proof. Especially when it hasn't been proven against high level magic users.

If I had Thing's durability on regular Earth, I'd be considered for all intents and purposes "immune" to physical damage, correct? I mean no one on the planet would be able to harm me with a punch.

But if someone had the strength of say, Superman... he'd be able to kick the shit out of me.

Do you see what I'm saying? Just because he's shown some resistance to the likes of Black Adam doesn't mean Superboy Prime would be immune to someone like Agamotto or the Spectre.

It's okay, lol.

I do see your point though, it's just that there has been nothing to prove otherwise. If/When there is, I will change my opinion, but until then I
see no evidence to prove that he isn't immune to magic.

However, I do see your point with the Specter.

Originally posted by Sirius77
It's okay, lol.

I do see your point though, it's just that there has been nothing to prove otherwise. If/When there is, I will change my opinion, but until then I
see no evidence to prove that he isn't immune to magic.

However, I do see your point with the Specter.

Superboy Prime >>> Vishanti and Spectre.

Originally posted by batdude123
Superboy Prime >>> Vishanti and Spectre.



Ain't it the truth.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Suck in groups.
'Cept, maybe Metamorpho.
Originally posted by Validus
Everybody sucks in groups. Still can't take away from Prime.

He's at least a Thanos level guy. At least.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Not trying to take anything away, just saying, he doesn't have to really worry about Firestorm, or Hourman, if we follow consistency. Good thing for the "No PIS", and "Full Capacity" forum rules. ermmgrin

Originally posted by Galan007
Good thing for the "No PIS", and "Full Capacity" forum rules. ermmgrin Ah good.

I had a question I wanted to ask you.

Who has Firestorm ever beat in a fight, that really held any merit? I mean, I see people like Surfer, and Thanos having a hard time with him on the boards, and I haven't figured out why yet. He also wtfpwns Black Adam.

He did things to Orion, and beat Kalibak... that's all I can think of.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman




He did things to Orion I don't mean to troll, but it sounds like your describing a rape.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ah good.

I had a question I wanted to ask you.

Who has Firestorm ever beat in a fight, that really held any merit? I mean, I see people like Surfer, and Thanos having a hard time with him on the boards, and I haven't figured out why yet. He also wtfpwns Black Adam.

He did things to Orion, and beat Kalibak... that's all I can think of.

Orion is equal to or superior to Superman more often than not. He will be fighting superman in death of the NG for current reference. Kalibak was uberly powered to be superior to Orion. Firestorm also beat Killer frost, who has given Kyle rayner a couple of fits, as well as wonder woman.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ah good.

I had a question I wanted to ask you.

Who has Firestorm ever beat in a fight, that really held any merit? I mean, I see people like Surfer, and Thanos having a hard time with him on the boards, and I haven't figured out why yet. He also wtfpwns Black Adam.

He did things to Orion, and beat Kalibak... that's all I can think of. Recently?

He beat Killer Frost who pwned Wonder Woman the same issue, beat Multiplex, , toyed around with Orion a bit, defeated a powered up Kalibak, .

That's pretty much all I can think of -- Firestorm's damn solo series is gone now... All we can do now is see what he does in other series'.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Orion is equal to or superior to Superman more often than not. He will be fighting superman in death of the NG for current reference. Kalibak was uberly powered to be superior to Orion. Firestorm also beat Killer frost, who has given Kyle rayner a couple of fits, as well as wonder woman. He trapped Orion in titanium in the comic...
On the average Orion is as strong or close to Superman, but really... titanium...

Good for Kalibak.

Was this when Kyle was a rookie? Wonder Woman... do I even have to type a response to this?

Plus, that's only three people named... not even close to solid enough proof to warrant wins on the forum. And people question Sentry?
I'm sure he has more, but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and you gave nothing (actually, not a knock on you, just amazed by how little proof Firestorm has). Plus, he also beats Black Adam without a question, and some have considered him a superior to Surfer.

Let's see what Galan has to say.

EDIT: So, how would Firestorm's power work on BA?

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He trapped Orion in titanium in the comic...
On the average Orion is as strong or close to Superman, but really... titanium...

Good for Kalibak.

Was this when Kyle was a rookie? Wonder Woman... do I even have to type a response to this?

Plus, that's only three people named... not even close to solid enough proof to warrant wins on the forum. And people question Sentry?
I'm sure he has more, but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and you gave nothing. Plus, he also beats Black Adam without a question, and some have considered him a superior to Surfer.

Let's see what Galan has to say.

Most of it happens due to the former firestorms feats. Which are all with in the wrelm of current Jason. Plus Jason has more powers and is more powerful than the previous firestorm. And no need to be cute about wonder Woman. Killer frost gave kyle a hard time after he had been lantern for a while. She also gave Superboy and knock out fits. YOu really can't even touch her without shattering. She was amped by Neron.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu really can't even touch her without shattering. So, how is Wonder Woman, and Superboy relevant, when they are both relatively for lack of a better term, bricks?

Firestorm isn't physical, he manipulates energy. WW, and SB don't.

It's not exactly the best comparison.

Although, that is a good feat though, I'll admit, giving Superboy trouble.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
but I asked why he should be trouble to Thanos, and you gave nothing (actually, not a knock on you, just amazed by how little proof Firestorm has). I guess I don't see how the characters FS has battled really matter?

There is VERY little a character like Surfer can do, that FS can't.


This is probably why most on the forum see FS as roughly equal to Surfer.

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess I don't see how the characters FS has battled really matter? Well, he battles people usually at a lower durability than Black Adam (using Black Adam for most of my comparisons because he's who I remember you talking about Firestorm pwning).

He's taken out Kalibak. Wow.

Call me stubborn, but I just can't see him beating BA, and people like Superman (although he could probably take Superman because of teh weakness), or at that level in strength, and durability, unless that's all they have, strength and durability.

Originally posted by Galan007
There is VERY little Thanos or Surfer can do, that FS can't.


This is probably why most on the forum see FS as roughly equal to Surfer. It's all about execution.

Plus, Surfer has some pretty damn powerful firepower.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Call me stubborn, but I just can't see him beating BA, and people like Superman (although he could probably take Superman because of teh weakness), or at that level in strength, and durability, unless that's all they have, strength and durability. Explain to me how said characters would beat FS.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
It's all about execution. Not when FS can do pretty much everything Surfer can.

Originally posted by Galan007
Explain to me how said characters would beat FS. Punching him. And using their speed and durability (to take enough punishment, if needed) to mount a reasonable attack.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not when FS can do pretty much everything Surfer can. And can't seem to pull it all together in fights as well as Surfer.

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful...

To me, Firestorm is the Polaris, and Surfer is the Magneto.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Punching him. And using their speed and durability (to take enough punishment, if needed) to mount a reasonable attack.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not when FS can do pretty much everything Surfer can. And can't seem to pull it all together in fights as well as Surfer.

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful...

To me, Firestorm is the Polaris, and Surfer is the Magneto.

You are not serious are you? How the hell do they punch someone who is intangible? Or ports in and out? And how does surfer seem more powerful? I haven't seen any limit to FS power.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Punching him. And using their speed and durability (to take enough punishment, if needed) to mount a reasonable attack.Punch the intangible, eh?

And speed advantage? FS can teleport Nightcrawler style now -- And he's been able to travel instantaneously for quite a while now.

Originally posted by Galan007
And can't seem to pull it all together in fights as well as Surfer.

Plus, Surfer also seems a lot more powerful... He may seem that way to you, but can you name me a couple things which put Surfer THAT much beyond FS?

Anyhow,

Going to bed now.... G'nite.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are not serious are you? How the hell do they punch someone who is intangible? Or ports in and out? And how does surfer seem more powerful? I haven't seen any limit to FS power. Forgot how many times Firestorm turned intangible in fights...

Besides phasing through Brimstone (otherwise, I'd argue Surfer going intangible in every fight, since he's done the same).

Don't get me wrong, remove the cis from Firestorm, and he's a beast. However...

I haven't seen any limits to Sentry either... *goes to Sentry vs Superman thread*

Originally posted by Galan007
Punch the intangible, eh?
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This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?

Originally posted by Galan007
And speed advantage? FS can teleport Nightcrawler style now -- And he's been able to travel instantaneously for quite a while now. So, he does multiple teleports in seconds?

That may pose a problem... for hitting him at least.


Originally posted by Galan007
He may seem that way to you, but can you name me a couple things which put Surfer THAT much beyond FS? Start with some random feats that come to me.

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ww34p11ji2.jpg

This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?

So, he does multiple teleports in seconds?

That may pose a problem... for hitting him at least.


Start with some random feats that come to me.

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc.

It's pretty easy, all you have to do is take Orions's superior feats to Surfer's and then compare firestorm to Orion.

on the subject of Superboy's Prime's magic resistance:

he also burst out of Raven's... dimension cloak thingy? I don't follow the Titan's. The one that's like Nightshade's from the Squad, but not? DC's Darkforce dimension?

Although he did take a lot of pain from that. It was one of the few attacks that actually shook him up pretty badly.

Which I would say pretty obviously shows that while he is HIGHLY resistant to magic, he can't claim that he's "immune"

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ww34p11ji2.jpg

This is really the only person off the top of my head that had strength, and speed that Firestorm fought.

So ask yourself this:
Is it pis?Is BP using an armbar on Surfer PIS? Should I post those scans?

Because they are FAR worse.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Start with some random feats that come to me.

Destroy planet.
Create black hole.
Merge with planet.
Take a cosmic bolt from Korvac to absolutely no effect.
Get the pressure of a planet basically forced on him, and then break out (Korvac was doing it to him him).
Smash Super Skrull's face up with a punch.
Match Thanos's power output.
Control the Crunch energies.
Create another black hole.
Pretty much beat Stranger.
Etc. LMAO at some of these.


Anyhow,

Feats that would help SS get a solid majority over FS, when everything is taken into consideration, is what I was more or less asking for.


And please remember, I'm not saying FS would take a majority over Surfer or anything, just saying that they are, imo, roughly equal.



Anyways... I'm really going to bed now. 'Nite.

Originally posted by Galan007
Is BP using an armbar on Surfer PIS? Should I post those scans?


Because they are FAR worse. Fact of the matter is, Surfer has feats to completely disregard that feat. Breaking out of holds by class 100's and the like.

What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?

Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.

Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit).
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpg


Originally posted by Galan007
LMAO at some of these.


Anyhow,

Feats that would help SS get a solid majority over FS, when everything is taken into consideration, is what I was more or less asking for.


And please remember, I'm not saying FS would take a majority over Surfer or anything, just saying that they are, imo, roughly equal.



Anyways... I'm really going to bed now. 'Nite. You asked for feats beyond Firestorm. Laugh at them, I don't care.
I don't remember Firestorm ever throwing out some of the power Surfer did in some of the feats I named.

I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.

Night.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Fact of the matter is, Surfer has feats to completely disregard that feat. Breaking out of holds by class 100's and the like.

What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?

Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.

Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit).
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpg


You asked for feats beyond Firestorm. Laugh at them, I don't care.
I don't remember Firestorm ever throwing out some of the power Surfer did in some of the feats I named.

I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.

Night.

Firestorm held Thor at bay with GREAT ease in the CANNON JLA avengers. Inertron for the win. Surfer wont' be getting out and can't transmute it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Firestorm held Thor at bay with GREAT ease in the CANNON JLA avengers. Inertron for the win. Surfer wont' be getting out and can't transmute it. Wasn't that Iron Man?

That's nice.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Wasn't that Iron Man?

That's nice.

NO it wasn't Iron man. It was Thor. Right after Red tornado just got thru schooling thor on what an elemental being can do.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Fact of the matter is, Surfer has feats to completely disregard that feat. Breaking out of holds by class 100's and the like.

What feats does Firestorm have that would write him getting hit by an extremely fast, extremely strong opponent?

Also, good reach. I mean, you said BA couldn't hit an intangible opponent. I showed you him getting hit.

Plus, these must be pis as well (him getting hit).
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p07.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Firestorm35-p15.jpgFunny that you talk about Surfer having feats to disregard the BP incident -- Then you go on to post scans of FS vs. Kalibak.

Should I post scans of who won that fight? Because those somewhat 'disregard' the scans you posted.

And for the record,

I never once said it's impossible to hit FS, nor did I state that FS has never been hit... I just said that in a PIS-free scenario, it would be extremely difficult to do so, .

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
I don't think you do. However, him being roughly equal to Surfer, just won't cut it for me.Meh,

That's your opinion, but just so you know, you have yet to show me anything that would give Surfer the solid majority in a battle against FS.

You just seem to be digging for things to put FS down, instead of acknowledging what he has done... And I'm beginning to think it's pointless to debate this with you. ermm

Short sleep, eh?

Originally posted by Galan007
Funny that you talk about Surfer having feats to disregard the BP incident -- Then you go on to post scans of FS vs. Kalibak.

Should I post scans of who won that fight? Because those somewhat 'disregard' the scans you posted.

And for the record,

I never once said it's impossible to hit FS, just that in a PIS-free scenario, it would be extremely difficult, . Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?

How often does he use this in fights though?

Plus, wouldn't that be cis?

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

That's your opinion, but just so you know, you have yet to show me anything that would give Surfer the solid majority in a battle against FS.

You just seem to be digging for things to put FS down, instead of acknowledging what he has done. ermm Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.

I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.


Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.

Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.

Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?

Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).

What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?

What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?

What happens when... etc.

Keep in mind, Surfer will be bloodlusted, and when he's been bloodlusted, he's fought a lot better (just like Thor does seemingly), or at the very least, a lot more powerful.

Also, these are all regular attacks (well, maybe not how much power he generates regularly, but not things like "he traps him in his boards!!!". So, basically, these are all basic attacks from Surfer without going into more versatility.

Yes, he can go intangible, but he hardly does this all the time. He's been hit before. But, even if he does, he can't exactly do much damage to Surfer when he (FS) is phased either.
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Also, nvr. He trapped Thor in a bubble for a panel, or two...
In the same comic Female Captain Marvel was draining Kyle dry of his power ring.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Short sleep, eh?

Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?

How often does he use this in fights though?

Plus, wouldn't that be cis?

Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.

I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.


Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.

Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.

Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?

Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).

What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?

What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?
You seem to think raw power is what wins every battle. Fact is, it's not. srsly

i.e.
What happens when FS turns the attacks you just listed into completely different types of energy, ?


But anyhow,

Really going to sleep.... g'nite.

Originally posted by Galan007
You seem to think raw power is what wins every battle. Fact is, it's not. srsly

i.e.
What happens when FS turns the attacks you just listed into completely different types of energy, ?


But anyhow,

Really going to sleep.... g'nite. Nope, not at all. I'm just wondering what basic attacks from Surfer will do when he hits him with it.
On that note, raw power does win a lot of battles, you must admit.

Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else.
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So...
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway? I only remember Firestorm really doing this to Luthor (by using other blasts) as well, to be honest.


Good night.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Short sleep, eh?

Problem is, it doesn't matter who won that fight. You said BA hitting FS was pis. Kalibak hit Firestorm, random whip #1 hit Firestorm, etc. So, how exactly is BA hitting him equal pis?

How often does he use this in fights though?

Plus, wouldn't that be cis?

Works about the same as Firestorm being equal to Surfer I'm afraid.

I acknowledge what he's done, I also acknowledge that what's he's done, hardly equates to beating someone like BA, or giving Thanos, or even Surfer a lot of trouble... without cis.


Also, Surfer's raw power has created a black hole twice, what happens when he hits Firestorm with this level of attack.

Surfer has smashed SS's face pretty bad. What happens when he punches Firestorm.

Surfer has channeled the Crunch's energies. Could Firestorm do this?

Plus, if he can take a cosmic bolt that had enough power to easily destroy a planet, without any effect, then what will Firestorm's blasts do (that is, if FS uses heat).

What happens when he releases an omni-directional attack capable of destroying a planet, at Firestorm?

What happens when Surfer, for lack of a better term, speed blitzes Firestorm with blasts?

What happens when... etc.

Keep in mind, Surfer will be bloodlusted, and when he's been bloodlusted, he's fought a lot better (just like Thor does seemingly), or at the very least, a lot more powerful.

Also, these are all regular attacks (well, maybe not how much power he generates regularly, but not things like "he traps him in his boards!!!". So, basically, these are all basic attacks from Surfer without going into more versatility.

Yes, he can go intangible, but he hardly does this all the time. He's been hit before. But, even if he does, he can't exactly do much damage to Surfer when he (FS) is phased either.
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Also, nvr. He trapped Thor in a bubble for a panel, or two...
In the same comic Female Captain Marvel was draining Kyle dry of his power ring.

hadnt' he been without his battery for a time when she did that? oop. you forgot about that?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
hadnt' he been without his battery for a time when she did that? oop. you forgot about that?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-36.jpg


Kyle also got beat by Wonderman a bit, and Thor one-shotted Doomsday.

And just for kicks... look at the first panel.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-37.jpg

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Nope, not at all. I'm just wondering what basic attacks from Surfer will do when he hits him with it.
On that note, raw power does win a lot of battles, you must admit.

Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else.
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So...
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway? I only remember Firestorm really doing this to Luthor (by using other blasts) as well, to be honest.


Good night.

Firestorm turned a normal beam into an antimatter beam in mid blast,
not only does that show amazing transmutation abilities, but also very good reflexes, and with the ease that he does these things.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-36.jpg


Kyle also got beat by Wonderman a bit, and Thor one-shotted Doomsday.

And just for kicks... look at the first panel.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/aj-02-37.jpg

As i said, Kyle's ring was already drained. 2ndly, We dont' know what version of Doomsday it was. as for the first panel, it means nothing. She's being triple teamed and the panel is inconclusive. as her fight with herc was conclusive.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Firestorm turned a normal beam into an antimatter beam in mid blast,
not only does that show amazing transmutation abilities, but also very good reflexes, and with the ease that he does these things. You're talking about the Luthor one, aren't you? Also, those blasts were all in one direction, and they weren't coming for him...

Plus, it looked like they were continuous beams...

That still means nothing.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
You're talking about the Luthor one, aren't you? Also, those blasts were all in one direction, and they weren't coming for him...

Plus, it looked like they were continuous beams...

That still means nothing.

Actually, transmuting energy means ALOT. To my knowledge, Surfer has
never done that.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Ignoring that Surfer has done this as well... he tries something else.
Plus, unless he directs it back, it won't do any damage to Surfer, and even if he can re-direct it, Surfer can and has taken planet destroying attacks to no effect. So... Again.

I'm not trying to demonstrate ways FS can defeat Surfer -- Just trying to show you that FS would roughly be Surfer's equal in a PIS-free battle, imo.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Plus, if Surfer "energy blitzes" FS, will he be able to change all energy?
Will he be able to change that much energy directed at him into something else, anyway? Kind of like when FS changed the numerous blasts from those who were fighting Luthor's hands, into a completely different energy type?

And remember that every attack he changed, was different from the next, ... Or there's that fancy redirection technique FS knows.


Either way, I've still seen nothing solid which would lead me to believe SS can take the majority against FS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As i said, Kyle's ring was already drained. 2ndly, We dont' know what version of Doomsday it was. as for the first panel, it means nothing. She's being triple teamed and the panel is inconclusive. as her fight with herc was conclusive. Where do you get "Kyle's ring was already drained" from? Oh wait, I know why his ring was drained, because Female Captain Marvel drained it!
*Which is absolute bullshit, especially since it was Female Marvel*

Plus, his ring wasn't drained when he got his shields broke from WM, and had to get Superman to save him...

Also, it doesn't matter what Doomsday it was, all are powerful.

Hey everyone, check this out:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.th.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/192/scan0011rh6.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5043/scan0015dg9.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/834/scan0016re1.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1830/scan0017hf1.th.jpg

BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.

See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too! dur

Originally posted by Merlyn
Hey everyone, check this out:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.th.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/192/scan0011rh6.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5043/scan0015dg9.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/834/scan0016re1.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1830/scan0017hf1.th.jpg

BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.

See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too! dur Nice scans and excellent use of the dur. durw00t

Originally posted by Merlyn
Hey everyone, check this out:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.th.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/192/scan0011rh6.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5043/scan0015dg9.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/834/scan0016re1.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1830/scan0017hf1.th.jpg

BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.

See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too! dur

thats on the level of spidey firelord...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Actually, transmuting energy means ALOT. To my knowledge, Surfer has
never done that. He transmuted that one Elder's blasts into harmless light...



Originally posted by Galan007
Again.

I'm not trying to demonstrate ways FS can defeat Surfer -- Just trying to show you that FS would roughly be Surfer's equal in a PIS-free battle, imo. By transmuting blasts?
That doesn't equal an equal...

Wouldn't that be a no cis/pis/doing things they don't do on a consistent basis or even that much, battle as well?

Originally posted by Galan007
Kind of like when FS changed the numerous blasts from those who were fighting Luthor's hands, into a completely different energy type?

And remember that every attack he changed, was different from the next, ... Or there's that fancy redirection technique FS knows. Problem is, would be able to react to all of the attacks that Surfer drills out? I mean, Surfer won't just fire one blast.
Plus, the energy wasn't directed at Firestorm per say... but meh.

Plus, even if he does keep doing that to his blasts, Surfer would most likely speed in, and hit him with a shot... a couple shots actually.


Originally posted by Galan007
Either way, I've still seen nothing solid which would lead me to believe SS can take the majority against FS. OK.

I've seen nothing that Firestorm has done to make me think he's equal to Surfer either. Or a rough equal.

Surfer-lite though? Yes.

Originally posted by Merlyn
Hey everyone, check this out:

BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.

See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too!
I like Firestorm. And the fact that I don't think he's Surfer level, means nothing, especially since he's shown nothing either (on that level).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually it does matter what doosmday it was. with the temporal changes, for all we know, it could have been DOS doomsday. thor is far superior to that doomsday. And for the record, the female captain marvel is teh uber. She has some of the best feats in comics for A non herald. Especially to be female and black. Something marvel heroes tend to suck at in spades no pun intended. And He was running low on juice when his battery got stolen correct? hence why she was able to take the last lil bit left.
DOS Doomsday still stomped MM, and Guy, and killed Superman back then.

It's still a good feat to one-shot him. Maybe even... questionable...

She's no Mar-Vell, that's all I'll say.

I don't believe he was running low on juice...

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Where do you get "Kyle's ring was already drained" from? Oh wait, I know why his ring was drained, because Female Captain Marvel drained it!
*Which is absolute bullshit, especially since it was Female Marvel*

Plus, his ring wasn't drained when he got his shields broke from WM, and had to get Superman to save him...

Also, it doesn't matter what Doomsday it was, all are powerful.

Actually it does matter what doosmday it was. with the temporal changes, for all we know, it could have been DOS doomsday. thor is far superior to that doomsday. And for the record, the female captain marvel is teh uber. She has some of the best feats in comics for A non herald. Especially to be female and black. Something marvel heroes tend to suck at in spades no pun intended. And He was running low on juice when his battery got stolen correct? hence why she was able to take the last lil bit left.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
He transmuted that one Elder's blasts into harmless light...

By transmuting blasts?
That doesn't equal an equal...

Scans?

Originally posted by Merlyn
Hey everyone, check this out:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1995/scan0010wi4.th.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/192/scan0011rh6.th.jpg http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5043/scan0015dg9.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/834/scan0016re1.th.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1830/scan0017hf1.th.jpg

BP and Storm totally pwned surfer.

See? I can try to demean a character because I don't like them, too! dur

Storm has been able to pwn the surfer more than once with lighting. It can't be PIS anymore. Surfer needs to be moved down. Lighting pwns him too much.

Storm hurt a weakened Surfer with her lightning blast a while ago (earlier in the comic Surfer couldn't even walk).

And, in that scan, she didn't hurt him... at all, just managed to get his attention if you will.

BP however... pwned his ass.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Scans? Nevermind, he transmuted it, so it only shot harmless light.
Anyway, here's the scan.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/silversurfer198700521pz3.jpg

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Storm hurt a weakened Surfer with her lightning blast a while ago (earlier in the comic Surfer couldn't even walk).

And, in that scan, she didn't hurt him... at all, just managed to get his attention if you will.

BP however... pwned his ass.

Nevermind, he transmuted it, so it only shot harmless light.
Anyway, here's the scan.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/silversurfer198700521pz3.jpg

First of all, that art is aweful, 2nd of all, surfer didn't transmute any damned energy. you are stretching. He transmuted the weapons themselves to shoot harmless light. you fail.

Didn't someone try and tell me stardust wasn't a girl? I knew i wasnt' crazy. Thing calls her lady. I tell you about these peeps thinking they know more than nvr. Gee wiz. LMAO.

Stardust was said to be a girl, all the way back in Annihilation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, that art is aweful, 2nd of all, surfer didn't transmute any damned energy. you are stretching. He transmuted the weapons themselves to shoot harmless light. you fail. The art was from 1987... and yes, it is awful.

Um, I said that in my post. This is why you need to learn how to read.

It's been over a year or so since I read that fight, so I just went from memory, and then sniped it from Darth's thread.
Either or, it's still plenty pointless in this thread. Since not only Surfer won't do it, he doesn't need to.
Just felt like bringing it up.

Well the issue is out


-Earth's 1 krpytonite doesn't work on Prime, red sun does
-Superman Prime developed his armour from studying Anti-Monitor from when they first fought
-Krypto once again does the best..good dog
-He is actually weaker then he was as he hasn't fully charged his cells, so they everyone on Earth attacks his armor and almost beats him after he easily beat basically all of Earth, but the sun rises and Superman Prime is fully charged and is about to clash with the new Ion and it ends.

I'm wondering.

The big three are busy. Apart from Wally I don't see anyone else that is there that wasn't all beaten badly by BA. So WTF can they do to him?

Originally posted by Switch 07
I'm wondering.

The big three are busy. Apart from Wally I don't see anyone else that is there that wasn't all beaten badly by BA. So WTF can they do to him?

Wonder Woman was there fighting, Superman arrived with Supergirl and Powergirl and those three ripped his armor apart weakening him and the rest of the heroes arrived pounding on him but the sun rose and he regained his power.

Damn why do they have to rip off his armor everytime?
It looks so cool.......

Yeah he is about to fight Ion without it now

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah he is about to fight Ion without it now Oh shit. SMP is gonna get own3d.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh shit. SMP is gonna get own3d.



You're probably right.
Or... what happened with Gladiator and Vulcan will happen

Originally posted by Decimus
You're probably right.
Or... what happened with Gladiator and Vulcan will happen

.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah he is about to fight Ion without it now
So he is basically naked?ermmnone

Originally posted by Estacado
So he is basically naked?ermmnone

Nah.

Spoilers for Superman Prime:

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/message.jspa?messageID=2004120201#2004120201

I want to believe that Superboy-Prime will defeat Ion,
because of the amazing powers... but the writers won't
let it happen..

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wonder Woman was there fighting, Superman arrived with Supergirl and Powergirl and those three ripped his armor apart weakening him and the rest of the heroes arrived pounding on him but the sun rose and he regained his power. Haven't read it yet.

Soljer i agree Prime is screwed just .....what if.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I want to believe that Superboy-Prime will defeat Ion,
because of the amazing powers... but the writers won't
let it happen..

Same here. Damn heroes. They get all the glory in the end. I guess I can be satisfied with this as long as the fight seems somewhat even and doesn't turn out to be a curbstomp for SY Ion.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Same here. Damn heroes. They get all the glory in the end. I guess I can be satisfied with this as long as the fight seems somewhat even and doesn't turn out to be a curbstomp for SY Ion.

Same here.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Storm has been able to pwn the surfer more than once with lighting. It can't be PIS anymore. Surfer needs to be moved down. Lighting pwns him too much.

Agreed