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Noah Bennet as leader
Mohinder Suresh co-leader

Claire Bennet
D.L. Hawkins
Sylar
Micah Sanders
Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli
Matt Parkman
Takezo Kensei
Niki Sanders
Elle

Bennet and Suresh have two days prep.

No time stopping or altering.

How many Mark II Sentinels can they take out before they are captured?

With Hiro's powers? And Peter? ALL of them.

No time stopping...

Originally posted by endrict
No time stopping...

Then Hiro is useless. Peter can still just go atomic nova and destroy all of the sentinals.

Hiro is not there.

Originally posted by endrict
Hiro is not there.

YOu only need sylar who can touch metal and wipe it out and Peter who can explode and destroy all of the sentinals. YOu didnt' include the kid who can control any tech either. He might be able to do it all alone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then Hiro is useless. Peter can still just go atomic nova and destroy all of the sentinals.

And blow up the city?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu only need sylar who can touch metal and wipe it out and Peter who can explode and destroy all of the sentinals. YOu didnt' include the kid who can control any tech either. He might be able to do it all alone.

He needs to get close to them and touch them.... and a Sentinel is just going to let Slyar walk up to it without fighing back?

One Sentinel is all thats needed to wipe out every single Hero 20times over

Sentinels would annihilate the heroes. They have nowhere near the skill and experience to handle them.

sentinels lose badly with that prep time as long as thay can get micah or peter to a comand center to take control of all the sentinels.
thay are proly all satilite linked any way, might even be able to hack in and take control from any old laptop.

peter being there could help as well. no one gets hurt.
thay could win befor the 2 days prep time is even up.
with good leadership and a good plan thay can win i think

and thats just using one power wisely

I don't watch heroes.

But what about The Doctor, you know invisible man.

Is he any good? Can he make others invisible?

Originally posted by Switch 07
I don't watch heroes.

But what about The Doctor, you know invisible man.

Is he any good? Can he make others invisible?

That's Claude. He can't make other people invisible, so he's not going to do much.

Damn...

And he's not on the roster.

peter can become invisible

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu didnt' include the kid who can control any tech either. He might be able to do it all alone.

Uhhh.....he has to be touching the machine. And the sentinels won't be standing around letting him do it.

One sentinel would destroy all the Heroes.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
peter can become invisible

Which really wouldn't help him against a Mark II Sentinel.

Matt Parkman reads minds.. I think the Heroes can do it given time to practice Peter Petrelli, Takezo Kensei and Claire Bennet are above Wolverine level healers.

Theres is also Elle, the new villain who controls electricity.

heroes take it easy,
with this team up, peter flys up wit hmicaih and they phase through into the sentinal, maicah takes control of it, so then it's the heroes plus a sentinal

the heroes also have an easy victory if you give them maya...plus sylar and elle aren't eheroes they're bad guys

I mean realy if the x-men ca ntake them out the heroes can take them out....however your putting them at a great disadvantage by taking out their powerhouse

Heroes quite easy.

Even if they couldn't take care of the Sentinels these are the people from Heroes not the Xmen they'd just hunt down the manufacturer.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
heroes take it easy,
with this team up, peter flys up wit hmicaih and they phase through into the sentinal, maicah takes control of it, so then it's the heroes plus a sentinal

Ummm....To carry Micah up to a Sentinel Peter will need to be solid. While he's flying the Sentinels will kill them.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the heroes also have an easy victory if you give them maya.


This makes no sense. What is she going to do to, cry and pray like she always does?

The Heroes lose.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
heroes take it easy,
with this team up, peter flys up wit hmicaih and they phase through into the sentinal, maicah takes control of it, so then it's the heroes plus a sentinal

Um, no. Phasing won't do anything. These Sentinels have prevented Vision from phasing through them, so Peter isn't going to.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the heroes also have an easy victory if you give them maya...plus sylar and elle aren't eheroes they're bad guys

What is Maya going to do? She hasn't affected anything other than humans. She hasn't proven anything against robots.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I mean realy if the x-men ca ntake them out the heroes can take them out....however your putting them at a great disadvantage by taking out their powerhouse

The X-Men have worlds more experience and training than the Heroes do. So, the X-Men taking them out proves nothing.

It depends on the numbers of Sentinels we are talking about 2 are taken down easily 10 plus are a different matter.

Originally posted by The Pict
Ummm....To carry Micah up to a Sentinel Peter will need to be solid. While he's flying the Sentinels will kill them.



This makes no sense. What is she going to do to, cry and pray like she always does?

The Heroes lose.

boh of those statements are false, peter has been shown to se more than one power at once, so flying while making them both intangible would be simple

maya ability is to cry, it causes everyone within that area to become infected with some disease and die

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
boh of those statements are false, peter has been shown to se more than one power at once, so flying while making them both intangible would be simple

maya ability is to cry, it causes everyone within that area to become infected with some disease and die

Okay while flying and intangible how does he carry Micah?

So while crying her black tears and spreading her virus how does Maya affect a robot?

Originally posted by The Pict
Okay while flying and intangible how does he carry Micah?

So while crying her black tears and spreading her virus how does Maya affect a robot?

one he can make other people intangible too so he makes micaih ad him intangible

there are people piloting the robots yes, well all of them instantly dead

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
one he can make other people intangible too so he makes micaih ad him intangible

there are people piloting the robots yes, well all of them instantly dead

Do you even know what the Sentinels are? They aren't piloted by humans. They are programmed robots.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
one he can make other people intangible too so he makes micaih ad him intangible

there are people piloting the robots yes, well all of them instantly dead

People don't pilot Sentinels.

The ones for Squad in X-Mansion are piloted by people, but 99% of all other versions of Sentinels were not....

Originally posted by Draco69
People don't pilot Sentinels.

The ones for Squad in X-Mansion are piloted by people, but 99% of all other versions of Sentinels were not.... oh my bad, I thought it was the ONE sentinels

it would still only require micaih or even just peter to have contact with the sentinel and he could easily reprogram it,

peter doesn't even need micaih seeing as beeing in his presence he has his power so peter flys up intangible andreprograms he robots,


....or he could time stop and send all of them back to the jurrasic age

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
one he can make other people intangible too so he makes micaih ad him intangible

there are people piloting the robots yes, well all of them instantly dead

One:Peter has never shown that level of control. Heck has he even became intangible yet? Sentinels Fly, right? So dropping Michah (who isn't exactly a battle hardened fighter at 11 years old) onto a sentinel is a moot point.

Two: Maya is going to get up CLOSE to these pilots to kill them? She needs to be near the people she is infecting. Otherwise her kill rate in Heroes would be huge. And if she does release her virus to kill the pilot of a sentinel she'd kill all her teamates. But she doesn't as soon as she is on the field she gets crushed or blasted into dust.

Edit: Maya is evel less effective then as I'm reading these aren't the sentinels from the 198. No pilots.

Originally posted by The Pict
One:Peter has never shown that level of control. Heck has he even became intangible yet? Sentinels Fly, right? So dropping Michah (who isn't exactly a battle hardened fighter at 11 years old) onto a sentinel is a moot point.

Two: Maya is going to get up CLOSE to these pilots to kill them? She needs to be near the people she is infecting. Otherwise her kill rate in Heroes would be huge. And if she does release her virus to kill the pilot of a sentinel she'd kill all her teamates. But she doesn't as soon as she is on the field she gets crushed or blasted into dust.

Edit: Maya is evel less effective then as I'm reading these aren't the sentinels from the 198. No pilots.

again peter has just lost all his memory he had control of his abilities before however and has been shown to go intangible, wit hmaicaih power all he needs to do is reprogram it..and again time-stop and send them back to the jurrasic age

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
again peter has just lost all his memory he had control of his abilities before however and has been shown to go intangible, wit hmaicaih power all he needs to do is reprogram it..and again time-stop and send them back to the jurrasic age

When has anyone on the show sent huge objects back to the Jurassic age?? Not happening. I've watched every episode of Heroes. There isn't a feat anything like this. You're attributing powers to Peter (or Hiro) that they don't have.

Originally posted by The Pict
When has anyone on the show sent huge objects back to the Jurassic age?? Not happening. I've watched every episode of Heroes. There isn't a feat anything like this. You're attributing powers to Peter (or Hiro) that they don't have. no they've been shown to travel back in time, and bring people and things with them, all he'd need was contact with the sentinel to d othis

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no they've been shown to travel back in time, and bring people and things with them, all he'd need was contact with the sentinel to d othis

nope

Hiro has accidentally teleported himself through time. And there's no way Peter could take gigantic robots with him.

Originally posted by The Pict
nope

Hiro has accidentally teleported himself through time. And there's no way Peter could take gigantic robots with him. hiro has teleported himself through time on purpose as well, the only reason hiro teleported so far away is he was reacting instantly with no destination except not to get squished against the wall, however he has shown to be able to back in time whenever he wants like when he attempted t osave charlie or when he went back in time before the bomb

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no they've been shown to travel back in time, and bring people and things with them, all he'd need was contact with the sentinel to d othis

Read the rules. No time stop allowed.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
hiro has teleported himself through time on purpose as well, the only reason hiro teleported so far away is he was reacting instantly with no destination except not to get squished against the wall, however he has shown to be able to back in time whenever he wants like when he attempted t osave charlie or when he went back in time before the bomb He screwed himself over with Charlie though... and Peter dies, horribly.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Read the rules. No time stop allowed. traveling back in time isn't time stop thats a diffferent ability

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
He screwed himself over with Charlie though... and Peter dies, horribly. yeah however he did control the ability, and peter and sylar could take out all of them, peter fly swith them intangible, drops sylar on one , sylar liquidates it and they move ont othe next

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
traveling back in time isn't time stop thats a diffferent ability

And what is that going to do? Not a damn thing. Just means the rest of the team gets slaughtered while he's gone, and he gets messed up when he comes back. He won't be able to teleport another one after doing the first one.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
yeah however he did control the ability,

No he didn't instead of going back to the time Charlie was killed he teleported six months into the past.

He didn't mean to teleport to New York.

He didn't mean to teleport back to his old job where his co-workers where doing aerobics on the roof. And couldn't teleport back to texas so had to take a plane.

And it's been a while since I last saw the season 1 finale but I recall he didn't mean to teleport to 17th century Japan.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
And what is that going to do? Not a damn thing. Just means the rest of the team gets slaughtered while he's gone, and he gets messed up when he comes back. He won't be able to teleport another one after doing the first one. no I mean he sends the sentinels back in time

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
, and peter and sylar could take out all of them, peter fly swith them intangible, drops sylar on one , sylar liquidates it and they move ont othe next

Seriously do you think think the sentinels are inanimate statues or something. They are packing shed-loads of fire power, they fly, they're programmed to take out mutants vastly more powerful than the heroes.

Originally posted by The Pict

And it's been a while since I last saw the season 1 finale but I recall he didn't mean to teleport to 17th century Japan.

Sylar used his TK to fling him towards a building.

Fearing his impending death, Hiro used a blind teleport in panic. He had certainly no intention of going back to Japan.

He just wanted to be anywhere but a stain on a wall....

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no I mean he sends the sentinels back in time

And he's gonna do that HOW?

He's never demostrated the ability to teleport something so massive.

And the Sentinels won't be standing still.

These things can go at Mach 10....

Originally posted by Draco69
Sylar used his TK to fling him towards a building.

Fearing his impending death, Hiro used a blind teleport in panic. He had certainly no intention of going back to Japan.

He just wanted to be anywhere but a stain on a wall....

Okay, cheers.

Another impressive time control feat by Hiro.

Originally posted by The Pict
No he didn't instead of going back to the time Charlie was killed he teleported six months into the past.

He didn't mean to teleport to New York.

He didn't mean to teleport back to his old job where his co-workers where doing aerobics on the roof. And couldn't teleport back to texas so had to take a plane.

And it's been a while since I last saw the season 1 finale but I recall he didn't mean to teleport to 17th century Japan. actally he never teleported t onew york he sped up time so he arrived in new york, the nseeing what hapened teleported back on purpose

he teleported back to where Charlie was he realized his ability had a limit, he can't rescue people who were meant to die. however he did control the ability, and still this doesn't stop the fact peter can time stop wit hsylar, fl up to a sentinal, and have sylar liquify it, and repeat the process to all of them

sorry not time stop, fly with him intangibally

Whats the reason for the recent surge of Heroes fanboys all of a sudden? Kind of funny when they pit Peter against Clark Kent who he couldn't even touch, and they are piting the whole gang up against the Sentinels of all things considering. The giant robots kill them faster than they can say WTF?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
actally he never teleported t onew york he sped up time so he arrived in new york, the nseeing what hapened teleported back on purpose

Actually he teleported to New York because he was in Japan.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he teleported back to where Charlie was he realized his ability had a limit, he can't rescue people who were meant to die. however he did control the ability, and still this doesn't stop the fact peter can time stop wit hsylar, fl up to a sentinal, and have sylar liquify it, and repeat the process to all of them

Oh god......

Okay Hiro couldn't control his abilities so he teleported back six months in time. This was an accident. He has little control.

You seriously think Sylar is going to liquefy an entire sentinel unharmed? Even if he got on one it would just pick him up and throw him off. Or another Sentinel would blast him off.

Liquifying a microwave doesn't NOT translate to the ability to liquefy a 60 foot tall robot with advanced technology.....

Originally posted by Draco69
Liquifying a microwave doesn't NOT translate to the ability to liquefy a 60 foot tall robot with advanced technology..... his ability is to liquidate metal no matter how advanced the metal is it is still metal, he can change it's stae instantly, size doesn't matter

Originally posted by The Pict
Actually he teleported to New York because he was in Japan.


Oh god......

Okay Hiro couldn't control his abilities so he teleported back six months in time. This was an accident. He has little control.

You seriously think Sylar is going to liquefy an entire sentinel unharmed? Even if he got on one it would just pick him up and throw him off. Or another Sentinel would blast him off.

he was already going to new york which was on purpose, he didn't teleport becase whe nhe got their he ahd a different time then the people there, he sped time up for himself

when the bomb exploded in fear he went back in time to where he was before, and wit hthe other heroes attacking they aren't going to be able to concentrate on just sylar and peter, and it take little time for sylars ability to takeeffect he requires a touch and then peter phases him out

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
his ability is to liquidate metal no matter how advanced the metal is it is still metal, he can change it's stae instantly, size doesn't matter

Says who? Based on what?

You concluded all these assumptions because Sylar liquefied a microwave...?



A microwave is more advanced than a Sentinel?

A microwave is larger than a Sentinel?

This is faulty logic.

I can pick up a pen.

Does this mean I can pick up a two-ton girder?

No.....

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678


when the bomb exploded in fear he went back in time to where he was before, and wit hthe other heroes attacking they aren't going to be able to concentrate on just sylar and peter, and it take little time for sylars ability to takeeffect he requires a touch and then peter phases him out

The "other" heroes are instantly vaporized by one solitary Sentinel. They're cannon fodder.

Sylar and Peter won't even react to the attacks.....

Originally posted by Draco69
Says who? Based on what?

You concluded all these assumptions because Sylar liquefied a microwave...?



A microwave is more advanced than a Sentinel?

A microwave is larger than a Sentinel?

This is faulty logic.

I can pick up a pen.

Does this mean I can pick up a two-ton girder?

No.....

.you dont seem to understand the ability, he can liquify matter, so you're making th wrong analogy

ice's melting point if 100 degrees, if we had a bigger hunk of ice it would take longer btut the bigge piece of ice would stil melt

so if sylar were to touch the sentinel it would be liquified, it might take longer to liquify it would till be liquified though, how advanced it is doesn't matter, his ability would melt a robot the same way it would melt a hunk of metal

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he was already going to new york which was on purpose, he didn't teleport becase whe nhe got their he ahd a different time then the people there, he sped time up for himself


He did teleport to New York, he just appeared in the street. That's why he shouted "I did it!" He teleported through time as well. This wasn't meant that's why he (when he was being questioned by the police) thought it was still October when it was actually November. Because he didn't control it.

If Hiro can't control his powers, what are Peter's chances?

Originally posted by Barbarian Shams
Whats the reason for the recent surge of Heroes fanboys all of a sudden? Kind of funny when they pit Peter against Clark Kent who he couldn't even touch, and they are piting the whole gang up against the Sentinels of all things considering. The giant robots kill them faster than they can say WTF? We can say you are a Smallville fanboy and know nothing about Heroes whats your point again if you had one that is. Let's say Just Sylar and Peter were against 5 Sentinels they are probably the equivalent of Cyclops and Jean Grey via electrical powers, telekinesis, flight the radiation powers so are you saying they couldn't beat 5 Sentinels?

Originally posted by iceman24567
We can say you are a Smallville fanboy and know nothing about Heroes whats your point again if you had one that is. Let's say Just Sylar and Peter were against 5 Sentinels they are probably the equivalent of Cyclops and Jean Grey via electrical powers, telekinesis, flight the radiation powers so are you saying they couldn't beat 5 Sentinels?

He's right and you're wrong.

Equivalent to Cyclops and JEAN GREY!? I should post a GTFO picture here.

They couldn't beat 5 sentinels. They couldn't beat one. What's the highest telekinsis feat in Heroes? I think it's tipping a van. Sentinels weigh many tons.

Originally posted by The Pict
He's right and you're wrong.

Equivalent to Cyclops and JEAN GREY!? I should post a GTFO picture here.

They couldn't beat 5 sentinels. They couldn't beat one. What's the highest telekinsis feat in Heroes? I think it's tipping a van. Sentinels weigh many tons. To you he's only right because you are obviously biased because you share the same opinion and im not sure but being able to level a city with a nuclear explosion can't take out a Sentinel then all mutants in the Marvel world should be dead in every reality/earth.

Originally posted by iceman24567
To you he's only right because you are obviously biased because you share the same opinion and im not sure but being able to level a city with a nuclear explosion can't take out a Sentinel then all mutants in the Marvel world should be dead in every reality/earth.

Yes, I'm sure after spending one season trying NOT to explode and pleading Claire to kill him, Peter would have no qualms with blowing up his fellow Heroes....

Originally posted by iceman24567
To you he's only right because you are obviously biased because you share the same opinion and im not sure but being able to level a city with a nuclear explosion can't take out a Sentinel then all mutants in the Marvel world should be dead in every reality/earth.

Biased? I love Heroes, it's a great show. I just know that they aren't taking out a sentinel. They have no feats to prove they can.

Originally posted by iceman24567
We can say you are a Smallville fanboy and know nothing about Heroes whats your point again if you had one that is. Let's say Just Sylar and Peter were against 5 Sentinels they are probably the equivalent of Cyclops and Jean Grey via electrical powers, telekinesis, flight the radiation powers so are you saying they couldn't beat 5 Sentinels? This was what i was talking about im sure he wouldn't mind killing Sylar if it were just them two and 5 sentinels.

Originally posted by The Pict
Biased? I love Heroes, it's a great show. I just know that they aren't taking out a sentinel. They have no feats to prove they can.

Meh. The second season is a bit of downer. Not as good as the first.

Originally posted by Draco69
Meh. The second season is a bit of downer. Not as good as the first.

I haven't watched episode 5 yet, but the season is shaping up quite well I think. Claire's story is boring though.

I'm a bit miffed they killed off Candice.

Originally posted by The Pict
Biased? I love Heroes, it's a great show. I just know that they aren't taking out a sentinel. They have no feats to prove they can. Not towards the show. I said you are biased about Barbarian Shams opinions because you share a similar opinion do you people read posts you are responding to? We all have our own opinions and if you have material to back it you can't tell somebody they are wrong.

Originally posted by iceman24567
We all have our own opinions and if you have material to back it you can't tell somebody they are wrong.

You don't have the material to back it up though. So...you're wrong.

Originally posted by The Pict
I haven't watched episode 5 yet, but the season is shaping up quite well I think. Claire's story is boring though.

I'm a bit miffed they killed off Candice.

It's a shame really. Claire was my favorite character.

And her boyfriend is generic. Why add another flying character. He would have been more unique with a different power.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's a shame really. Claire was my favorite character.

And her boyfriend is generic. Why add another flying character. He would have been more unique with a different power.

I think West works for the company. I don't like him.

I do like Parkman though, I'm glad he has a large part in the second season so far.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not towards the show. I said you are biased about Barbarian Shams opinions because you share a similar opinion do you people read posts you are responding to? We all have our own opinions and if you have material to back it you can't tell somebody they are wrong. You're wrong.

Incredibly f*cking wrong.

Ooh, look at me go! vin

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Originally posted by The Pict
You don't have the material to back it up though. So...you're wrong. So a nuclear explosion isn't enough material? Like i said you are just biased and don't want to be wrong.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So a nuclear explosion isn't enough material? Like i said you are just biased and don't want to be wrong.

1. Peter isn't going to kill his teamates.

2. I doubt he can just go nuclear when he feels like it.

3. The Sentinels can avoid it. It's already been mentioned they can fly at Mach 10. And the blast radius isn't that large, when peter was in the air he exploded but nothing happened to the city below.

4. If he does explode the sentinels avoid it and we have a comatose Peter and no other heroes left.

5. I'm not biased. Peter just sucks He got his ass handed to him by Sylar. Who got stabbed by Hiro. Who can barely control his powers. They're goners.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no they've been shown to travel back in time, and bring people and things with them, all he'd need was contact with the sentinel to d othis


NO TIME ALTERING ALLOWED!!!

Nah you are biased but who cares Sylar and Peter can take out a couple Sentinels going nuclear or not and remember in the future he was able to control his powers pretty well.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah you are biased but who cares Sylar and Peter can take out a couple Sentinels going nuclear or not and remember in the future he was able to control his powers pretty well.

That was an alternate time line. It doesn't count. It didn't happen.

You're the biased one here. You keep falling back on the Nuclear explosion argument even though it isn't happening, you refuse to accept it.
You're bringing nothing new to this argument.

I'll come back to this match up tomorrow, it's almost 3 am over here.

im ejoyin the second season so far

Originally posted by The Pict
That was an alternate time line. It doesn't count. It didn't happen.

You're the biased one here. You keep falling back on the Nuclear explosion argument even though it isn't happening, you refuse to accept it.
You're bringing nothing new to this argument.

I'll come back to this match up tomorrow, it's almost 3 am over here. All you were doing was saying "you are wrong because I'm right" but goodnight.

There is NO Hiro here....please read the roster.

Originally posted by endrict
There is NO Hiro here....please read the roster. yes and peter petrelli has hiros powers

Originally posted by The Pict
Seriously do you think think the sentinels are inanimate statues or something. They are packing shed-loads of fire power, they fly, they're programmed to take out mutants vastly more powerful than the heroes. exatly, which is why htey are flying intangible all the weapon fire would simply go right through them,

Originally posted by iceman24567
Matt Parkman reads minds.. I think the Heroes can do it given time to practice Peter Petrelli, Takezo Kensei and Claire Bennet are above Wolverine level healers.

WTF!!!!!! The healers in heroes isn't even close to Wolverine.
Wolvie is immortal, he cannot die (I do think it's pretty ridiculous but hey it's comics). Nitro nuked him and he regenerated from a skeleton.

Clare and Takezo both have a decent HF but it's nowhere close to Wolverines lvl!

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
exatly, which is why htey are flying intangible all the weapon fire would simply go right through them,

Now you're thinking as if the Heroes are nearly as skilled as the X-Men to even think something like that. And

Most likely scenario: Heroes show up, 2 Mark II Sentinels show up (according to Wiki, correct if the info is wrong "Mark II - by Larry Trask. This model was capable of adapting to and counter-acting super-powers almost instantly. First appeared in X-Men #57."

The smartest thing for them to do is somehow get Micah to reprogram them if they don't adapt, and thats only if the Heroes are facing one at a time, because I doubt most of them will be doing much to a Sentinel...

Sentinel 9/10 if they are facing one at a time LoL

syler and peter could proly emp the sentianls.
and we all know that with 2 days prep time thay can be taught to do so, ted was taught through matts mind reading of noah in about 30 seconds.

i see no one has refuted my "hack attack" so i guess its viable?

phasers can take passengers as seen on the show and in marvel i belive phasers can walk on air. so peter can proly fly mica phased.
i think phasers are also good at messing machinery and eletronics up.

endrict
you stated no time altering aloud how about time altering during the prep time to give them more prep time but not during the battle?
and do we consider hiros telaporting as time altering or is it aloud in the battle?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
syler and peter could proly emp the sentianls.
and we all know that with 2 days prep time thay can be taught to do so, ted was taught through matts mind reading of noah in about 30 seconds.

i see no one has refuted my "hack attack" so i guess its viable?

phasers can take passengers as seen on the show and in marvel i belive phasers can walk on air. so peter can proly fly mica phased.
i think phasers are also good at messing machinery and eletronics up.


I have. I've said it before. Sentinels can counter phasing. They did so to Vision, and I know for damn sure Peter can't phase as well as Vision can.

The nuke theory ain't gonna work, it takes time for Peter to build up the power to explode, the Sentinels sensors would register that, and as mentioned the blast radius is a factor they could avoid it.
Hack theory, Micah has to concentrate just to unscramble pay-per-view, and there has never been an A.I. on the other end of his "hacking", a smart machine that can adapt may figure something is messing with it, and this theory is based on them being linked by satellites which doesn't seem likely because I have never heard of it, and the fact that they are invading another Earth.

I will add to the Heroes prep time a bit because It sounds like they are going to get their asses kicked in.

In their prep....lets say they have a dead Sentinel so the good doctor and Mr. Bennet can study it.

What qualifications do the two of them have, that would make a difference? Maybe if they let Micah take a look, and I still say they get a beat down. Has the number of sentinels been established?

How is that going to do them any good? Its not like Micah has the skill to erect an old Sentinel under his command, and the rest of them aren't technicians are they? They won't be able to reverse or stop a Sentinel's capabilities because they examined an inactive one.

The Heroes have a pretty slim chance to win if they are facing 1 Sentinel at a time. Any more than that and its overkill

I mentioned Micah because in the first season it was hinted that he had a genius level intellect, like when he took his laptop apart to rebuild it and him not being able to thrive in public schools. Whether he would have been that intellectually gifted had he been a "normal" boy remains to be seen.

Oh I understand & agree with you, but I was replying to endrict's post. But you beat me to it Lord Kaos

Opps my bad

I don't think having the inactive Sentinel to study will matter. The Heroes will need years of experience in order to take them on, and even then it depends on how many Sentinels they are facing.

hes definely genuis level . its been hinted at and stated a few times i think. the kid who plays the part is actualy a child genuis. and plays one in just about every part hes done.
in my opinion mica will eventualy be the best leaderof them all.

he can fix broken electronics by touching them and using his powers, as he did to the out of order pay phone in the first season.

ok my hack attack was counterd. but remeber we have 2 that can do it so team work might work in there favor?
the 2 days prep and the brains on the team might be able to come up with a comp virus. thay do have one to study now.



phasers are of no use as celestialdemon pointed out.



how about the emp plan?

Considering that a lot of mutant counter measures are based on taking down Magneto an emp may be countered, they could possibly be outfitted with surge protectors. It could work though, but then the blast radius things comes into play it probably has the same reach as the explosive aspect of Teds/Peters power making it avoidable and easily recognized due to energy build up these two seem to have to go through to use their power on large scales.

Originally posted by LordKaos
What qualifications do the two of them have, that would make a difference? Maybe if they let Micah take a look, and I still say they get a beat down. Has the number of sentinels been established?



I was thinking of they can study the hull and the insides.

2 Sentinels...one at a time.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
hes definely genuis level . its been hinted at and stated a few times i think. the kid who plays the part is actualy a child genuis. and plays one in just about every part hes done.
in my opinion mica will eventualy be the best leaderof them all.

he can fix broken electronics by touching them and using his powers, as he did to the out of order pay phone in the first season.

ok my hack attack was counterd. but remeber we have 2 that can do it so team work might work in there favor?
the 2 days prep and the brains on the team might be able to come up with a comp virus. thay do have one to study now.



phasers are of no use as celestialdemon pointed out.



how about the emp plan?

Hard to say. It could work, but it depends on whether the Sentinels are equipped against that. Like Kaos said, they are well aware of Magneto, so it's possible. Plus, they can counter powers almost instantly. Add that into the fact that we don't know how powerful an EMP Peter can release and what kind of range he has. Would be interesting to see.

I put Sylar and Elle on the team. Sylar can freeze objects, I guess he can freeze the ground and make it difficult for Sentinels to walk on...until they fly...can he freeze them?

As for Elle...she has the power of electric manipulation, I am sure she can mess them up a bit?

The problem with the Heroes I think, is not only lack of experience but they don't have the durability to hang with the big guys for very long.

Niki might be tough but can she take a hit from a Sentinel?

Originally posted by endrict
I was thinking of they can study the hull and the insides.

2 Sentinels...one at a time.

Assuming they can scan superhumans and determine their threat level, they will strike first at the most dangerous Peter and Sylar. Both of them are human in durability, Peter can heal , but he can still be cut and harmed and rendered unconscious. If one (Sentinels) fails the other (I assume it is at least watching) will have the chance to adapt and take the right counter measures to not be taken out the same way. They would probably only take out the first one (assuming they do) by sheer dumb luck.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
yes and peter petrelli has hiros powers


What part of no time altering is allowed, don't you understand??

Hello? hello? anybody home? huh? think, McFly. Think!

Originally posted by endrict
What part of no time altering is allowed, don't you understand??

Hello? hello? anybody home? huh? think, McFly. Think! you said no time stop though, hiros powers include going through time and teleporting

Originally posted by endrict
The problem with the Heroes I think, is not only lack of experience but they don't have the durability to hang with the big guys for very long.

Niki might be tough but can she take a hit from a Sentinel? ...intangibility though, everyone else is really a distraction while peter and sylar take each sentinel out...I'm not saying htey could get through htis with all of them alive but they could take out a team of ten sentinels before everyone was dead except peter and sylar ad then theyd have to slip up eventually because there abilities put astrain o nthem I'm pretty sure

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...intangibility though, everyone else is really a distraction while peter and sylar take each sentinel out...I'm not saying htey could get through htis with all of them alive but they could take out a team of ten sentinels before everyone was dead except peter and sylar ad then theyd have to slip up eventually because there abilities put astrain o nthem I'm pretty sure

The others aren't a distraction at all. One blast would kill them all. Sylar and Peter wouldn't have time to take out one Sentinel before they were done with the others.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The others aren't a distraction at all. One blast would kill them all. Sylar and Peter wouldn't have time to take out one Sentinel before they were done with the others. explain how a kid who can control robots and people who could go intangible and fly wouldn't be a distraction

next I keep giving you how they win and you dont respond to that at all, you haven't provided a very strong arguement, mohinder and bennet come up with the strategy and tell them how t od oit, so all peter has t odo is carry sylar while they are intangible, all lasers and everything go through tem, and then sylar could liquidate the metal and have it a giant pool on the street....or they could both send out powerful electromagnetic pulses shutting all the sentinels down

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
explain how a kid who can control robots and people who could go intangible and fly wouldn't be a distraction

next I keep giving you how they win and you dont respond to that at all, you haven't provided a very strong arguement, mohinder and bennet come up with the strategy and tell them how t od oit, so all peter has t odo is carry sylar while they are intangible, all lasers and everything go through tem, and then sylar could liquidate the metal and have it a giant pool on the street....or they could both send out powerful electromagnetic pulses shutting all the sentinels down

Here's your problem, and I'll explain it again. These Sentinels have countered intangibility before, so that won't work. Second, the kid who can control robots can only do it on contact, and it takes a few seconds for him to do it. You really think the Sentinels are going to stand there and let him do it?

Also, you have absolutely no proof that Peter can fly and be intangible or invisible at the same time.

Mohinder and Bennet don't know anything about the technology behind the Sentinels, so they aren't going to be much help. And neither one of them are battle leaders, so whatever strategy they can come up with is questionable.

The only thing this team has going for them is the EMP, but there's no evidence that shows Peter or Sylar can create one powerful enough to stop the Sentinels. And if the format is as suggested (one Sentinel first, then the next), then the second Sentinel will have already adapted against that kind of attack.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Here's your problem, and I'll explain it again. These Sentinels have countered intangibility before, so that won't work. Second, the kid who can control robots can only do it on contact, and it takes a few seconds for him to do it. You really think the Sentinels are going to stand there and let him do it?

Also, you have absolutely no proof that Peter can fly and be intangible or invisible at the same time.

Mohinder and Bennet don't know anything about the technology behind the Sentinels, so they aren't going to be much help. And neither one of them are battle leaders, so whatever strategy they can come up with is questionable.

The only thing this team has going for them is the EMP, but there's no evidence that shows Peter or Sylar can create one powerful enough to stop the Sentinels. And if the format is as suggested (one Sentinel first, then the next), then the second Sentinel will have already adapted against that kind of attack. well sinc ethey dont have much info on these people, I doubt theyll put micah above the priority of sylar and peter, theyd probably down riht ignore him

also please explain how they could deal with intangibility instead of just saying it

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Here's your problem, and I'll explain it again. These Sentinels have countered intangibility before, so that won't work. Second, the kid who can control robots can only do it on contact, and it takes a few seconds for him to do it. You really think the Sentinels are going to stand there and let him do it?

Also, you have absolutely no proof that Peter can fly and be intangible or invisible at the same time.

Mohinder and Bennet don't know anything about the technology behind the Sentinels, so they aren't going to be much help. And neither one of them are battle leaders, so whatever strategy they can come up with is questionable.

The only thing this team has going for them is the EMP, but there's no evidence that shows Peter or Sylar can create one powerful enough to stop the Sentinels. And if the format is as suggested (one Sentinel first, then the next), then the second Sentinel will have already adapted against that kind of attack.

actually they could, to create the electromagnetic pulse all ted had t odo was instead of focusing on burning bright, and since peter can generate the heat of a nuclear explosion that electromagnetic energy realesed from both sylar and peter would shut down the sentinels

bennet really just coaches them on what to do and they act however after that both would probably be out

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
well sinc ethey dont have much info on these people, I doubt theyll put micah above the priority of sylar and peter, theyd probably down riht ignore him


Sentinels are built to locate, detain and/or kill superhumans, they have scanners that let them tell the differences in humans, mutants and mutates that's why they don't go after Spiderman in marvel when they are in NYC looking for mutants. If they are invading Heros land then it's safe to say that programming has be circumvented and they will know who has powers and who doesn't. They'll ignore Micah because they will most likely be mounting an aerial assault and he can't get to them from the ground, that they will blast straight to hell when they see a bunch of supers standing around.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
well sinc ethey dont have much info on these people, I doubt theyll put micah above the priority of sylar and peter, theyd probably down riht ignore him

also please explain how they could deal with intangibility instead of just saying it

They analyze people. They can determine who is human and who isn't. And if this is a battle between the two sides, they wouldn't consider Micah as equal a threat as Peter and Sylar.

These Sentinels have taken on the Avengers before, and they have prevented Vision from using his intangibility. I'm sure as hell Peter doesn't have a fraction of the experience using it that Vision does.

The EMP thing could definitely work, and I think the Heroes have a real chance here. Heck, Micah and D.L. could take them all down by themselves, assuming they are both in full control of their powers. D.L. has been shown to be able to phase only part of his body, so it's possible that he could do the same for Micah. With the rest of the heroes distracting the Sentinels, D.L. and Micah could just stroll right up to each one, take it over (by only unphasing Micah's hand, limiting their vulnerability), and the battle would very shortly become one sided.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
actually they could, to create the electromagnetic pulse all ted had t odo was instead of focusing on burning bright, and since peter can generate the heat of a nuclear explosion that electromagnetic energy realesed from both sylar and peter would shut down the sentinels

You have no proof. The only proof you have is Ted creating an EMP in a building. That's a lot different than a huge robot.

Originally posted by BentonGrey
The EMP thing could definitely work, and I think the Heroes have a real chance here. Heck, Micah and D.L. could take them all down by themselves, assuming they are both in full control of their powers. D.L. has been shown to be able to phase only part of his body, so it's possible that he could do the same for Micah. With the rest of the heroes distracting the Sentinels, D.L. and Micah could just stroll right up to each one, take it over (by only unphasing Micah's hand, limiting their vulnerability), and the battle would very shortly become one sided.

This is assuming the Sentinels are just standing there doing nothing, FYI they like to fly too.

Ohh right, but if the other heroes are engaging them, they'd likely come to the ground, a-la almost every X-men battle with them.

Which other Heroes have range powers to engage them? If they are on the ground what will D.L. be phasing? Their toe mechanisms? Micah will be stepped on. Making ATMs yield money, reactivating broken telephones and unscrambling pay-per-view is a lot different than reprogramming a highly advanced death machine with A.I.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Which other Heroes have range powers to engage them? If they are on the ground what will D.L. be phasing? Their toe mechanisms? Micah will be stepped on. Making ATMs yield money, reactivating broken telephones and unscrambling pay-per-view is a lot different than reprogramming a highly advanced death machine with A.I. not for him he's corrupted the entire voting system in the U.S.A so that theyd vote for nathan once, a lot harder than dealing with one robot, D.L. could protect him and they dwalk up t osentinel (again intangibility) and micah could take control of it

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not for him he's corrupted the entire voting system in the U.S.A so that theyd vote for nathan once, a lot harder than dealing with one robot, D.L. could protect him and they dwalk up t osentinel (again intangibility) and micah could take control of it

It wasn't in the entire U.S.A. It was in New York. And they were all linked to each other. A voting machine is nowhere near as complicated as a highly advanced A.I. robot.

Again, D.L.'s intangibility isn't going to protect anyone, including himself.

How is that anywhere near re-writing an A.I.? How would Micah touch the sentinel if he is phased?

Originally posted by LordKaos
Which other Heroes have range powers to engage them? If they are on the ground what will D.L. be phasing? Their toe mechanisms? Micah will be stepped on. Making ATMs yield money, reactivating broken telephones and unscrambling pay-per-view is a lot different than reprogramming a highly advanced death machine with A.I.

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't me that D.L. will phase the machine, I mean that he'll phase Micah, only unphasing, say his hand.

Other characters with ranged powers in this scenario:
Sylar
Peter
Elle

Not to mention Claire and Takezo's healing abilities would allow them to have at least SOME survivability as a distraction. If Nikki has any kind of enhanced durability (which is possible, as she routinely has taken on men with guns without injury), she could pose something of a temporary threat. Not to mention HRG perhaps rigging some traps/heavy weaponry. I'd say that it is conceivable that the sentinels could be brought down to the ground to fight. Especially if the battle takes place in a city, where the sentinels will have to hunt for their prey.

You've got an excellent point about the added difficulties of Micah's attempt to control an actual AI. However, just because there is no real precedent for it, doesn't mean it's automatically impossible. Given the demonstrated nature of his ability, it's conceivable that he could pull it off.

Celestial Demon, how is D.L.'s ability not going to protect him? I don't mean to mock you, I'm just curious if I've missed an ability of the sentinels.

I hardly think that the Heroes are going to take a landslide here, but I do believe that a victory for them is POSSIBLE, especially with a full powered Peter on their side.

A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar.

Originally posted by The Pict
A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar. Why because you say so?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why because you say so?

No. Because he's already tried and failed.

Originally posted by The Pict
A full powered Peter can't even beat Sylar.

Actually Pict, what I meant was just what I said, a full powered Peter, someone who is no longer learning to control his powers, but who has access to all of them and experience in using them.

All we've seen so far on Heroes is a Peter operating at very low levels of what he MUST be capable. We see glimpses of it, like in the final fight with Sylar, or the fight in the bar, but he's too inexperienced (so far) to use his powers efficently.

With the precedent set for being able to use multiple powers at once, he has the potential to be very powerful indeed. Think of Mimic. He could give the X-Men trouble, right? Peter is at least as powerful as Mimic, and I would argue that he is much MORE powerful.

He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.

The problem with Peter is the problem with most of the Heroes, we've yet to see what they are REALLY capable of doing.

Based on potential, the Heroes can definitely pull a win. Based on actual showings, it would be a much less certain thing.

Originally posted by BentonGrey
Actually Pict, what I meant was just what I said, a full powered Peter, someone who is no longer learning to control his powers, but who has access to all of them and experience in using them.

All we've seen so far on Heroes is a Peter operating at very low levels of what he MUST be capable. We see glimpses of it, like in the final fight with Sylar, or the fight in the bar, but he's too inexperienced (so far) to use his powers efficently.

With the precedent set for being able to use multiple powers at once, he has the potential to be very powerful indeed. Think of Mimic. He could give the X-Men trouble, right? Peter is at least as powerful as Mimic, and I would argue that he is much MORE powerful.

He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.

The problem with Peter is the problem with most of the Heroes, we've yet to see what they are REALLY capable of doing.

Based on potential, the Heroes can definitely pull a win. Based on actual showings, it would be a much less certain thing. Well said but i think the Hulk would eat Peter alive.

Originally posted by BentonGrey


He can fly (VERY fast), shoot lightning, create radiation (perhaps directionalize it in time?), phase, can heal very rapidly, read minds, communicate with (and possibly control?) machines, he has some TK (although its upper limit hasn't been demonstrated), super strength, AND control time. He's demonstrated the ability to use two of these powers at the same time, which is already pretty impressive, but what if he can use them all? He'd be quite powerful.


Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out.

The only way the Heroes could win is if Peter goes nuclear, and I've already mentioned the problems with that throughout this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well said .

Not really. He's mostly talking about potential here, not actual showings.

Thank you Iceman, and you may be right. I don't know that there is a lot that Peter could do to the Hulk, other than freezing time and going nuclear. Depending on which incarnation of 'ol Green Jeans we're talking about, that might only make him madder.

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out.

The only way the Heroes could win is if Peter goes nuclear, and I've already mentioned the problems with that throughout this thread. This thread will go on forever but lets say Peter goes nuclear do you think he still wins?

Originally posted by iceman24567
This thread will go on forever but lets say Peter goes nuclear do you think he still wins?

He could. But like I said before the Sentinels can avoid it. The blast radius wasn't that large and those machines move at super-speeds.
Plus has Peter shown he can just "go nuclear"? No. The power built up over weeks.

Did you see the Jumper trailer pretty cool Peter can Pretty much do the samething with Hiros Teleporting power how do they counter him teleporting Micah inside them and technorapping them?

Here it is pretty cool stuff Nightcrawler times 5 http://youtube.com/watch?v=3T0R20HK_QU

Originally posted by iceman24567
Did you see the Jumper trailer pretty cool Peter can Pretty much do the samething with Hiros Teleporting power how do they counter him teleporting Micah inside them and technorapping them?

Peter has never even done this before. If Peter hasn't done something we can just start assuming he knows how to.

Originally posted by The Pict
Not really. He's mostly talking about potential here, not actual showings.

My point exactly, Pict. I don't think the Heroes have much of a chance based on their showings, although I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for them to win, considering how little we've seen of their abilities. Which leads me to:

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter's lightning is very weak. He used it on a person in Cork and they were fine a short time later. What is this going to do against a 60 foot high robot?
Also Peter standing around or flying while shooting lightning makes him a target. Sentinels fly at like Mach 10 I think was said. They aren't going to have any issues hitting Peter.
As has been shown he can be killed.
Super strength? Don't make me laugh, Nikki tears men apart. That's like her limit. The sentinels are highly durable machines. Capable of withstanding a lot more than the Heroes can dish out.

That's all we've seen him do with his lightning, whereas Elle (who we may assume is the source of Peter's power) completely fried a human being, so obviously we didn't see the upper limit of his power. It might also be possible that we didn't see the upper limit of HER power either, but that remains just speculation.

You're absolutely right, he would most certainly be a target, however, if, say, Storm can avoid the shots of a Sentinel, or Angel for that matter, then I think Peter may be able to as well. Nathan is shown easily breaking the sound barrier, and Matt implies that he's faster than a Jet in the latest episode (possibly). This being said, I think it's possible that he and the other heroes could keep the sentinels busy while Micah "hotwired" them, so to speak.

On Nikki's strength, you're right, it isn't much of a factor in the sentinel battle, I was simply making a point about his variety of powers. Mimic (who only had access to Beast's strength, which is porbably on par with Nikki's) gave the X-Men a run for their money. The X-Men routinely beat the sentinels, therefore, if we apply the transitive property , Peter has some chance of doing so as well. (Although, granted, the lightning has not been shown to be ANYWHERE near as powerful as Cyke's optic blasts.)

Once again, we're dealing with potential, not showings, so perhaps it is a moot point, but I enjoy the speculation and imagine others do as well.

Originally posted by The Pict
Peter has never even done this before. He has prep remember? He knows he can.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He has prep remember? He knows he can.

How?

Originally posted by The Pict
How? He saw Hiro do it and just speculation Elle knows everything about him she can tell him. Give him sometime to practice he can use it to his advantage.

Well, with HRG handling strategy, it's not beyond the pale that he might come up with something as creative as that.

My earlier points about strategy also didn't really talk about Sylar, who has some fairly decent powers himself including some form of enhanced durability (either using TK or some unamed power) as he's able to take gunfire with limited effect. It wouldn't save him against the arsenal of a sentinel, but it's possible it might keep him in the game a little longer. Plus, if he ever gets back on his feet, he'll have Candice's illusion casting powers, which have been shown to fool cameras. Therefore, it's (once again) possible that they are hard light illusions, capable of fooling the sentinels.

Well not even Hiro can teleport as well as those guys in the trailer but good enough.

Originally posted by BentonGrey

That's all we've seen him do with his lightning, whereas Elle (who we may assume is the source of Peter's power) completely fried a human being, so obviously we didn't see the upper limit of his power. It might also be possible that we didn't see the upper limit of HER power either, but that remains just speculation.

As it's speculation we can assume that the electricity that Peter and Elle generates isn't offensive enough to harm a Sentinel

Originally posted by BentonGrey
You're absolutely right, he would most certainly be a target, however, if, say, Storm can avoid the shots of a Sentinel, or Angel for that matter, then I think Peter may be able to as well. Nathan is shown easily breaking the sound barrier, and Matt implies that he's faster than a Jet in the latest episode (possibly).

Storm and Angel have decades of fighting experience. They've utilised their powers in almost every conceivable way. Peter got served by Sylar and pieces of glass.
That wasn't implied IMO. Matt just met Nathan in the previous episode, he hadn't seen him fly before so how would he know his speed?

Originally posted by BentonGrey
This being said, I think it's possible that he and the other heroes could keep the sentinels busy while Micah "hotwired" them, so to speak.

Micah is 11 years old. You really think he will be useful when giant robots packing a shitload of fire power are trying to kill you. You think any Heroes here are going to keep their heads?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well not even Hiro can teleport as well as those guys in the trailer but good enough.

It was a cool trailer, but if Peter teleports someone into a Sentinel they are gonna kill them selves. They'll be merged into parts of the machine.

Originally posted by The Pict
As it's speculation we can assume that the electricity that Peter and Elle generates isn't offensive enough to harm a Sentinel

That would be just as fair as my supposition, although the amount of power required to fry a human being is roughly equivalent to that found in naturally occurring lightning, the same kind used by Storm to destroy sentinels on many occasions.

Originally posted by The Pict
Storm and Angel have decades of fighting experience. They've utilised their powers in almost every conceivable way. Peter got served by Sylar and pieces of glass.

Very true, but once again, I feel like you're comparing apples and oranges. I'm positing an experienced Peter, who would have control over his abilities (perhaps not as experienced as Storm and Angel) but not the scared, inexperienced kid who was so easily taken out by Sylar. Conversely, the first time the X-Men faced the sentinels, they didn't have decades of experience, did they? Still, they were better trained than the Heroes by far. Perhaps if the Heroes were an actual team, trained by HRG, they'd stand a much better chance.

Originally posted by The Pict
That wasn't implied IMO. Matt just met Nathan in the previous episode, he hadn't seen him fly before so how would he know his speed?

Very true, which is why I tried to indicate that I was very unsure about that particular supposition. However, Parkman IS a mind reader, so if Nathan knows, it's possible he might know too. However, that's getting extremely shaky.

Originally posted by The Pict
Micah is 11 years old. You really think he will be useful when giant robots packing a shitload of fire power are trying to kill you. You think any Heroes here are going to keep their heads?

He's been shown to be remarkably capable for an 11 year old, but you certainly have a good point. However, since Peter is able to do essentially the same thing, even more efficiently, the theory is still sound. Still, D.L. could very well keep Micah safe, and if Micah could keep it together, the kid could pull it off....perhaps, although that is a pretty big if.

I doubt HRG could turn the Heroes into a Fighting unit. Nothing so far has shown that he could do anything along these lines. He's not even that intelligent to be honest. He was tricked and captured by his own Company. He's clever and dangerous, but he'd need some sort of military experience to effectively train the Heroes.

But it's nearly half four in the morning here. Too late for debating. I'll probably pick up on these arguments tomorrow if the are still on-going.
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As far as HRG's capability...hmm...true, but The Company is pretty devious itself. He's no Professor X, but let's face it, his devising some training could only help these kids.

Good night Pict, it's a pleasure debating with someone who is civil and intelligent.

Originally posted by The Pict
I doubt HRG could turn the Heroes into a Fighting unit. Nothing so far has shown that he could do anything along these lines. He's not even that intelligent to be honest. He was tricked and captured by his own Company. He's clever and dangerous, but he'd need some sort of military experience to effectively train the Heroes.

But it's nearly half four in the morning here. Too late for debating. I'll probably pick up on these arguments tomorrow if the are still on-going.
wave Goodnight again maybe by next week we can get more info on Peters capabilities.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
you said no time stop though, hiros powers include going through time and teleporting



This is the first post....PLEASE read it!!!!


Sentinels Invade Heroes.

Noah Bennet as leader
Mohinder Suresh co-leader

Claire Bennet
D.L. Hawkins
Sylar
Micah Sanders
Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli
Matt Parkman
Takezo Kensei
Niki Sanders
Elle

Bennet and Suresh have two days prep.

No time stopping or altering. <<<pay attention to this part.

How many Mark II Sentinels can they take out before they are captured?

Last edited by endrict on Oct 23rd, 2007 at 02:41 PM


Or no teleport....I took out Hiro for a reason. That means Peter can't use the same powers...

Originally posted by LordKaos
How is that anywhere near re-writing an A.I.? How would Micah touch the sentinel if he is phased?




Question Micah controls some tech right? so if that's his power how can he phase when that's D.L powers set?

Originally posted by endrict
This is the first post....PLEASE read it!!!!


Sentinels Invade Heroes.

Noah Bennet as leader
Mohinder Suresh co-leader

Claire Bennet
D.L. Hawkins
Sylar
Micah Sanders
Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli
Matt Parkman
Takezo Kensei
Niki Sanders
Elle

Bennet and Suresh have two days prep.

No time stopping or altering. <<<pay attention to this part.

How many Mark II Sentinels can they take out before they are captured?

Last edited by endrict on Oct 23rd, 2007 at 02:41 PM


Or no teleport....I took out Hiro for a reason. That means Peter can't use the same powers...


And Peter base off of his showings, can't teleport people or objects.