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hmm

Maelstrom w/Anomaly was unfazed from a blast from the IG

True guy and Maelstrom creates the same thing that MJJ despises Un Space I'm actually leaning towards the team...

Can't the UN erase him by itself?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Can't the UN erase him by itself?

The CN apparently couldn't according too Merlyn (never trusted that old rat) But I believe that the UN perhaps couldn't destroy Jaspers but destroy the universe around him which would leave him vulnerable (this isn't Jaspers merged with Fury correct)

Originally posted by Utrigita
The CN apparently couldn't according too Merlyn (never trusted that old rat) But I believe that the UN perhaps couldn't destroy Jaspers but destroy the universe around him which would leave him vulnerable (this isn't Jaspers merged with Fury correct)

All I see in the title is just Mad Jim Jaspers.

Originally posted by Sundipped
All I see in the title is just Mad Jim Jaspers.

Then IMO the previous mentioned scenario is a possibility

Team for the win

Jaspers FTW.

Mealstrom is overrated, he couldn't even destroy a single Universe by himself,
he had to create a Black Hole to consume the universe slowly,
and even then, he failed.
On top of that, he was defeated by an Infinity amped Quasar.

As far as the Maelstrom survivng an IG blast,
that scenerio is perplexing and left open to many questions.

Maelstrom himself admitted the IG was more powerful than the power he was packing:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9388/m1zv8.th.jpg

And when the moment itself came about,
Maelstrom was obliterated, and then seemed to re-appear,
then he makes a comment and disappears again.

Was he brought back to life because he was Oblivion's agent at the time?
Was he really there After getting atomized by the IG?
Was he there at all?
(according to Mephisto it was only the "Cosmic Wind"

Here's the scene:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3716/m2gk3.th.jpg

I've never really understood what actually happened here.

But a being that gets defeated by Infinity should not withstand the IG.
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Eternity gets stomped. (Jaspers became the 616 Universe = the power of the Multiverse )

Galactus gets stomped. (Jaspers is immune to nullification)

And I saw a comment speculating on the Universe around Jaspers being nullified,
therfore leaving Jaspers vulnerable.

If that were possible,
the CN would've been used on Jaspers 616.

Obviously, a Nullifier can't penetrate Jaspers Warp to get at the Universe,
or area he has taken control of.

So, Big G/UN would be just as helpless as Big G without it.
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Jaspers FTW.

team for the win

Who the flying f*cknuts is Mad Jim Jaspers? This guy sounds overpowered as balls.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Who the flying f*cknuts is Mad Jim Jaspers? This guy sounds overpowered as balls. He's just a powerful reality altering crazy guy.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Who the flying f*cknuts is Mad Jim Jaspers? This guy sounds overpowered as balls.

One of the most powerful beings ever to appear in Marvel's history.
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"a crooked GOD reviews his Paradise of ruins"
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/4454/j9an4.th.jpg
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"He is lonely, but he is also GOD"
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/8739/j10ig8.th.jpg
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"He MAKES Friends easily"
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7577/j11qk3.th.jpg
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He actually re-structured the 616 Reality (616 houses the power of the Prime Multiverse)

"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1554/jsd5.th.jpg
"I made the Stars"
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Meh,, he actually even became the 616 Reality:

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg
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"BOTH Jaspers could effortlessly Warp Reality on a Dimension-Wide Scale" (Universal)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8128/j2ql0.th.jpg
(exceprt form the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006)
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Jim Jaspers 238 (an Alternate) completely WARPED the 238 Universe:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4209/jaspersqj5.th.jpg
"Jaspers Warp spread at an exponentially increasing rate,
it engulfed the 238 Continuum in days,
and took that Reality's destruction to prevent that Warp spreading across the Multiverse"
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Merlin says to Captain Britain,

"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point
to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy"
(the Omniversal Tribune Erased the 238 Reality)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2566/m16hl3.th.jpg

Merlin says about Cap. Britain,

"I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
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Japers 616 was an OMNI-VERSAL Threat:

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2042/j7in7.th.jpg
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Merlin says to Cap. Britain,


"You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,

but 616 Jaspers is,

"NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped,

the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos,

and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers FTW.

Mealstrom is overrated, he couldn't even destroy a single Universe by himself,
he had to create a Black Hole to consume the universe slowly,
and even then, he failed.
On top of that, he was defeated by an Infinity amped Quasar.

As far as the Maelstrom survivng an IG blast,
that scenerio is perplexing and left open to many questions.

Maelstrom himself admitted the IG was more powerful than the power he was packing:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9388/m1zv8.th.jpg

And when the moment itself came about,
Maelstrom was obliterated, and then seemed to re-appear,
then he makes a comment and disappears again.

Was he brought back to life because he was Oblivion's agent at the time?
Was he really there After getting atomized by the IG?
Was he there at all?
(according to Mephisto it was only the "Cosmic Wind"

Here's the scene:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3716/m2gk3.th.jpg

I've never really understood what actually happened here.

But a being that gets defeated by Infinity should not withstand the IG.
.............................................................................................

Eternity gets stomped. (Jaspers became the 616 Universe = the power of the Multiverse )

Galactus gets stomped. (Jaspers is immune to nullification)

And I saw a comment speculating on the Universe around Jaspers being nullified,
therfore leaving Jaspers vulnerable.

If that were possible,
the CN would've been used on Jaspers 616.

Obviously, a Nullifier can't penetrate Jaspers Warp to get at the Universe,
or area he has taken control of.

So, Big G/UN would be just as helpless as Big G without it.
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Jaspers FTW.

As I see it Mephisto is practically licking Thanos ass through the entire IG incident which would explain why he said as he does.

Another note the anomoly creates Un Space (oblivion) correct then what to be exact is MJJ going to do towards the Anomoly.

Perhaps but in that way we wouldn't have seen the story now would we No I said it because Merlyn said that MJJ couldn't be stopped by Nullification (destroying the crystal that contained the life force of the said universe) the most obvious reason is that the life force in that given universe is beneath MJJ's rule No the other hand the UN isn't restricted by the requirement for a crystal to nullify a area.

Originally posted by Utrigita
As I see it Mephisto is practically licking Thanos ass through the entire IG incident which would explain why he said as he does.

Maelstrom is still overrated.

He couldn't destroy a single Universe under his power.

Jaspers can Warp a Universe effortlessly.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Another note the anomoly creates Un Space (oblivion) correct then what to be exact is MJJ going to do towards the Anomoly.

Where'd you get that from?

The Anomaly is the guard of the Dimension of Manifestation:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9094/anonw0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Perhaps but in that way we wouldn't have seen the story now would we
No I said it because Merlyn said that MJJ couldn't be stopped by Nullification (destroying the crystal that contained the life force of the said universe) the most obvious reason is that the life force in that given universe is beneath MJJ's rule No the other hand the UN isn't restricted by the requirement for a crystal to nullify a area.

Ok,
Utrigita I lova ya man but it's time you learn how to post in fragments.

I don't know what you're responding to.

To quote segments of another members post:

You copy the heading:

ie.

Originally posted by Utrigita
--- in here you copy and paste the part you wanna reply to ---

you then copy and paste the closed "quote" mark, which is

So this is what it should look like, I'll quote you:

---> Quote heading ---> QUOTE=9719181] Originally posted by Utrigita


Originally posted by Utrigita
the other hand the UN isn't restricted

/QUOTE] <--- Closed quote mark.


That's it, see how it specifies a specific part of your post.

This makes it easier to get your point across more clearly,
and it helps me respond more efficiently.

Hope that helped old buddy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Maelstrom is still overrated.

He couldn't destroy a single Universe under his power.

Jaspers can Warp a Universe effortlessly.



Where'd you get that from?

The Anomaly is the guard of the Dimension of Manifestation:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9094/anonw0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006)



Ok,
Utrigita I lova ya man but it's time you learn how to post in fragments.

I don't know what you're responding to.

To quote segments of another members post:

You copy the heading:

ie.



So this is what it should look like, I'll quote you:

---> Quote heading ---> QUOTE=9719181] Originally posted by Utrigita




/QUOTE] <--- Closed quote mark.


That's it, see how it specifies a specific part of your post.

This makes it easier to get your point across more clearly,
and it helps me respond more efficiently.

Hope that helped old buddy.

I simply doesn't get that

But I will try...

Where'd you get that from?

The Anomaly is the guard of the Dimension of Manifestation:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9094/anonw0.th.jpg
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2006)

I just assume that when the Universe collapsed because of the Anomaly it leaved behind Un Space (oblivion) which is after all why Maelstrom is a agent of Oblivion.

Cool it worked thanx man

The other part mostly speculation on Jaspers and Nullification since you have demonstrated that Nullification by the UN and the CN doesn't produce the same result.

About Malestrom, it looked like he took the blast with no effect. Afterwards he told Thanos that he has just met an atheist (doesn't believe in gods). U can still see his image amongst the destroyed area while he made this statement.

Originally posted by Sundipped
About Malestrom, it looked like he took the blast with no effect. Afterwards he told Thanos that he has just met an atheist (doesn't believe in gods). U can still see his image amongst the destroyed area while he made this statement.

He might've dodged the blast too.

Or disappeared as the blast hit,
and then reappeared when the smoke cleared.


My problem with that questionable scenerio is,

Maelstrom was far weaker than Eternity,
and Eternity got stomped in one page.

Maelstrom got owned by an Infinity amped Quasar.

Also, Maelstrom couldn't even destroy a single universe,
cat had to try and use a black hole to accomplish that, and failed anyway.


That just doesn't add up, you feel me?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I simply doesn't get that

But I will try...



Originally posted by Utrigita
I just assume that when the Universe collapsed because of the Anomaly it leaved behind Un Space (oblivion) which is after all why Maelstrom is a agent of Oblivion.

Yea but, Maelstrom was going to collapse the Universe with a Black Hole,
not with the Anomaly's power.

Normal Quasar actaully stalemated the Anomaly in the Dimension of Manifestation.
He might've lost with time, but he held his own for a good while.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Cool it worked thanx man



Originally posted by Utrigita
The other part mostly speculation on Jaspers and Nullification since you have demonstrated that Nullification by the UN and the CN doesn't produce the same result.

Right,

the CN seems to erase Reality more utterly.

So this would suggest that the UN would have even a lesser affect on Jaspers,
than the CN, which Jaspers is immune to.

Originally posted by Mr Master


now I'm going to be a real pain

Yea but, Maelstrom was going to collapse the Universe with a Black Hole,
not with the Anomaly's power.

Normal Quasar actaully stalemated the Anomaly in the Dimension of Manifestation.
He might've lost with time, but he held his own for a good while.

A black Hole that not even Galactus the watchers and the 5 fth celestials host couldn't stop not saying they could do anything against jaspers but it sounds like one serious black hole.

Right,

the CN seems to erase Reality more utterly.

So this would suggest that the UN would have even a lesser affect on Jaspers,
than the CN, which Jaspers is immune to.

No it would just suggest that we have to kinds of devices that works entirely different and that Nullifaction isn't per say Nullifaction.

Also we doesn't know if the spirit was still here ore if it could leave and return to Multieternity.

Team. Nullification of the battle ground leaving only Galactus, Maelstrom, MJJ, and unspace.

After that, Maelstrom would physically beat MJJ to death or Galactus would just stomp him into a goo of blood.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Team. Nullification of the battle ground leaving only Galactus, Maelstrom, MJJ, and unspace.

After that, Maelstrom would physically beat MJJ to death or Galactus would just stomp him into a goo of blood.

that is what I think too.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Team. Nullification of the battle ground leaving only Galactus, Maelstrom, MJJ, and unspace.

That would nullify Galactus & Maelstrom as well.

MJJ is left standing asking, what just happened to the those chaps?

Originally posted by Utrigita
that is what I think too.

The UN has never been able to nullify a Universe,
and leave the wielder standing around.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest,
that Galactus or anyone can nullify a Universe,
and leave out specific beings in said Universe from being nullified as well.

Even in the Reed case concerning the Multiverse,
Reed got remade in that nullfication,
this is why he had the UN and used it, next panel,
he never had the UN.

Originally posted by xjustice69x


dontgetit

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN has never been able to nullify a Universe,
and leave the wielder standing around.

Um whose actually tried



Um, what about when Galactus did it during the Black Celestial saga.



?Him not having the UN could go either way. We know he targeted the multiverse, I don't see why he wouldn't target himself as part of the nullification rather then keep the UN. I don't see how him remaking the multiverse would mean he can't remake himself with the UN in hand. Guy remakes the everything but can't do so as to leave it in his possesion? As you've posted scans before, an UN wielder can nullify unspace to bring about a universe again. If that's the case I don't see why it would be difficult for a knowledged wielder to nullify a universe without himself being affected as the UN works in both space and unspace.

The UN works in space and unspace. Galactus or Maelstrom nullifies the universe but leaves them remade in unspace. Assuming MJJ survives the UN, it leaves him powerless against Galactus and Maelstrom in unspace where either would strangle him to death.

Actually Galactus has also (along with Korvac) shown to be capable of avoiding nullification

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Um whose actually tried

If it hasn't been depicted on panel,
and if the bio doesn't mention that being possible.

We have to go with what weknow.

We can't just add abilities to the weapon for the sake of the argument.

Just sayin.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Um, what about when Galactus did it during the Black Celestial saga.

Galactus was erased, along with that Alternate Universe.

Reed and company escaped by flying for their lives out of that Universe.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Him not having the UN could go either way. We know he targeted the multiverse, I don't see why he wouldn't target himself as part of the nullification rather then keep the UN.

We can speculate all day.

but the bottomline is, Nullifier was activated, and the Multiverse was remade,
and everything in it was remade too, including Reed.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I don't see how him remaking the multiverse would mean he can't remake himself with the UN in hand. Guy remakes the everything but can't do so as to leave it in his possesion?

Correct.

Until I see it happen, I'm sticking with what we know.

No one has nullified a Universe,
and remained unaffected by the universal nullification.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
As you've posted scans before, an UN wielder can nullify unspace to bring about a universe again. If that's the case I don't see why it would be difficult for a knowledged wielder to nullify a universe without himself being affected as the UN works in both space and unspace.

First off, it didn't happen.

Secondly it wasn;t "Un-Space"
because Eternity's consciousness was still lingering around.

In Un-Space, there is absolutely Nothing:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6489/undf4.th.jpg
"Un-Space ... where there is Nothing ... Nothing at all"


Thirdly, even if it would've worked,
there's no proof that Strange/Surfer/Jean would've been unaffected by the nullification.

Like I said, all I need is evidence, and I'll concede.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The UN works in space and unspace.

There's no proof the UN works in Un-Space.

It may work in a Reality where there is still remnants of Eternity's Spirit.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Galactus or Maelstrom nullifies the universe but leaves them remade in unspace. Assuming MJJ survives the UN, it leaves him powerless against Galactus and Maelstrom in unspace where either would strangle him to death.

Galactus and Maelstrom get erased.

Jaspers wins by default, who can definitely resist nullification.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually Galactus has also (along with Korvac) shown to be capable of avoiding nullification

Galactus has never withstood Nullification.

Galactus jumped into another dimension at the last second to escape getting erased:


Here is the Fact:


"Tyrant, Morg, Air Walker, GALACTUS....ALL are DEAD"
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7500/ddw2.th.jpg
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"They have been Consumed...ULTIMATELY NULLIFIED"
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8854/d2kk5.th.jpg
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"What being will take GALACTUS'S PLACE"
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3175/d3vf2.th.jpg
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"UNABLE to STOP or CONTROL the Nullifier, GALACTUS was OVERWHELMED"
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7854/d4xd7.th.jpg
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Morg discharged the Ultimate Nullifier in an effort to stop Tyrant,
but also apparently destroyed himself and Galactus.

Galactus survived by escaping extra-dimensionally
and was later summoned by Reed to oppose the power of Hyperstorm;

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Galactus


I did my own reasearch ofcourse, and it happened exactly like they said:
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After Reed travels through the Cross Roads of Infinity to find Galactus

Reed places a machine that can find various Spectrums of Energy
on the exact spot the UN was used by Morg:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7712/d5lb0.th.jpg
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Reed's machine finds traces of a distinctive EXAUST TRAIL,
that could have only come from Galactus's World Ship:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1307/d6og4.th.jpg
"This indicates that Galactus ESCAPED at the LAST MOMENT into a Parallel Dimension"
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Galactus in a Dimensionl Void, where he escaped to from the Ultimate Nullifier:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/448/d7nh9.th.jpg



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Korvac also separated his consciousness from his body to avoid getting erased.

That wasn't even an Omni-Blast.

That was a Uni-blast Galactus shot himself,
that searched for Korvac like Darkseid's Omega Beams.

So this really has nothing to do with nullfiying an entire Reality and escaping,
while standing within said Reality.

Korvac got erased when he used the UN to erase a Universe.

Still like the Team good buddy