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Here's the particulars for my upcoming tournament:

It will be a team tournament, each team will consist of 2-3 posters.

Each team will be allowed to draft 4 characters (Any Genre), but in each battle only a combination of 3 characters will be allowed.

After each victory the winning team will be allowed to add a member of the defeated team to their roster for the subsequent rounds, however, you're still limited to 3 characters per battle.

In the interest of instituting a strategic element, the 3 characters that each team will be using in the battle will not be known until the opening comments are posted in the battle. You'll know your opponents roster, but you will not know which 3 members of the team you are facing until go time.

This will be a Spider-Man/Low Meta Tier Tournament.

Here we will discuss the rules, as well as which characters will not be allowed due to loophole abilities.

I'm looking to have this thing started by around Thanksgiving (11/22). Participants and Judges please sign up.

WOO HOO! durznuts I am so in.

I'm in.

I love to judge.

Judge judge judge.

I wanna be a judge.

Can I judge?

I'm definitely joining this one.

I would also like to judge.

Can I judge?

Judge here.

Spiderman level!

Let me see if I can find some partners and I'd gladly like to join up. This time I should be much more involved than last due to the freedom in my schedule this time.

Again sorry about the last one.

I've got some people in mind I'd love to have as teammates but if your interested in me joining one with you I'd be honored by the invite so please pm me.

Soljer, Jason, and Validus, consider yourselves judges.

Val, since this is a multi genre tourney I'll be hosting it at the House of Zod. If you haven't registered yet here's the link:

http://p068.ezboard.com/bhouseofzod

Originally posted by illadelph12
Soljer, Jason, and Validus, consider yourselves judges.

Val, since this is a multi genre tourney I'll be hosting it at the House of Zod. If you haven't registered yet here's the link:

http://p068.ezboard.com/bhouseofzod
Thanks Ill.

Ok, I've got a character that I want to confirm with you guys.

Caerula Sanguis: she's a vampire from the manga Battle Angel Alita: The last order. She has enhanced reflexes, over 800 years of martial arts expertise that based on her feats would put her skill level at higher than Shiva's, and her trump card is that she has eyes that allow her to see the neural pulses of a creature, allowing her to react to their movements before they move. I can post some scans later if you want them.

Originally posted by Akuki


Did ya miss the "strategic element"?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Did ya miss the "strategic element"?
No, he said that you won't know which 3 characters will be fielded out of the total 4 person team you will have. But you will know their roster.

Ranma 1/2 too high up for this tournament?

Originally posted by Akuki
Ok, I've got a character that I want to confirm with you guys.

Caerula Sanguis: she's a vampire from the manga Battle Angel Alita: The last order. She has enhanced reflexes, over 800 years of martial arts expertise that based on her feats would put her skill level at higher than Shiva's, and her trump card is that she has eyes that allow her to see the neural pulses of a creature, allowing her to react to their movements before they move. I can post some scans later if you want them.

Scans would help. Has this character been discussed in the tiering thread yet? Scans will be at a premium for the more obscure characters. You're going to have to provide a lot of evidence.

Also, should we institute a post quota per team member? Like 6-8 posts each plus the initial write up?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ranma 1/2 too high up for this tournament?
Probably depends on the character you're thinking of. Ranma's probably too high, but Ryoga might get in.

Originally posted by Akuki
No, he said that you won't know which 3 characters will be fielded out of the total 4 person team you will have. But you will know their roster.

That's correct. The draft will be open so everyone will know who's on all participants rosters, but you won't know which combination you are facing until the battle begins so versatility will be at a premium.

This actually sounds interesting, but don't know if I would have the time

This seems like a good idea. Will there be a character list to choose from or just the tier ?

Originally posted by Faceman
This seems like a good idea. Will there be a character list to choose from or just the tier ?

Just the tier. As is the usual draft picks will be scrutinized upon being made. If you have a character in mind that is possibly beyond Spider-Man or borderline it's best to bring it up here in the discussion thread prior to the drafts.

An amalgam would be slightly more interesting.

Especially if you didn't have the OPTION of picking one of your foes characters, but you actually were REQUIRED to switch at least one character each match.

Much more interesting outcome, methinks...

Here's a sample of one of Caerula's feats, BTW what's considered too fast for this tournament? I know she definitely isn't too strong, so speed is probably the main issue.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_166.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_167.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_168.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_169.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_170.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_171.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_172.jpg

Explanation of her abilities:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-053.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-054.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-055.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-056.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-057.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-058.jpg

How long would these debates go on for ?

Could all three team guys debate , or will there be one representative ?

Originally posted by Soljer
An amalgam would be slightly more interesting.

Especially if you didn't have the OPTION of picking one of your foes characters, but you actually were REQUIRED to switch at least one character each match.

Much more interesting outcome, methinks...

Interesting...

What does everyone think of the suggestion?

Also, if we're going to make it amalgams, I think I'd open it up to 6 characters (2 characters per round of the draft), and that the amalgamations could be any combination of 2 or 3 characters on the team, but you would have to field at least three characters in the battle.

How does that sound? Too complex?

Originally posted by Faceman
How long would these debates go on for ?

Could all three team guys debate , or will there be one representative ?

Battles will last from Monday at 7am to Friday at Midnight. All team members can debate (if the team consists of 2-3 posters), however, pick your teammates wisely. You'll be judged on your debating skills, not simply making a powerful character.

Originally posted by Akuki
Here's a sample of one of Caerula's feats, BTW what's considered too fast for this tournament? I know she definitely isn't too strong, so speed is probably the main issue.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_166.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_167.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_168.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_169.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_170.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_171.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_172.jpg

Explanation of her abilities:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-053.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-054.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-055.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-056.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-057.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-058.jpg

Any opinions on whether she makes it? From what i understand of her, I think she should qualify. Her vampire's eye, is about equivalent to spider sense, and her actual physical strength and durability is either equal to or lower than Spidey's. Basically she's what spidey would be if he had the mind of martial arts master like Shiva.

Amalgam eh. I'm down. Any caps on tech?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Interesting...

What does everyone think of the suggestion?

Also, if we're going to make it amalgams, I think I'd open it up to 6 characters (2 characters per round of the draft), and that the amalgamations could be any combination of 2 or 3 characters on the team, but you would have to field at least three characters in the battle.

How does that sound? Too complex?

So how many characters (completed amalgams) would you actually be using for each match?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Interesting...

What does everyone think of the suggestion?

Also, if we're going to make it amalgams, I think I'd open it up to 6 characters (2 characters per round of the draft), and that the amalgamations could be any combination of 2 or 3 characters on the team, but you would have to field at least three characters in the battle.

How does that sound? Too complex?
I definitely like the idea. I already have two characters picked out. both of which I think could qualify. Now I just need to find the other four.

I'd like to participate.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Amalgam eh. I'm down. Any caps on tech?

I was thinking about that (tech). An idea I had was that each character would get there standard equipment, as well as another tactical element:

One character from the team would host the prep time at their canon base of operations for each battle, but you can't use the same prep area for consecutive rounds.

So, for example, if you drafted Batman and chose him to host your prep in round one, your team would have access to the Batcave and all tech and weaponry that are unique to the Batcave for that first round battle, but in the round two you wouldn't be able to use any resources from the Batcave at all, and Batman would be back to his standard equipment.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So how many characters (completed amalgams) would you actually be using for each match?

You can field up to 3 amalgams, so you could field:

3 two character Amalgams
1 three character amalgam + 1 two-character amalgam + 1 character
2 two character amalgams + 1 character
1 three character amalgam + 2 characters
etc.

So long as your team consists of 3 combatants and no combatant is an amalgam of more than 3 characters you're fine. This opens up a lot of creative possibilities.

Very interesting, very interesting. And, I assume, you can switch it up between matches?

Originally posted by Soljer
Very interesting, very interesting. And, I assume, you can switch it up between matches?



You can make any combination you want.

Also, your opponent won't know the combinations you've made or where you held your prep until your opening posts.

Just out of curiousity since I haven't done this before, how does the team selection process of getting your characters work exactly?

Originally posted by Akuki
Just out of curiousity since I haven't done this before, how does the team selection process of getting your characters work exactly?

Usually in a random-draft.

Since there are SIX characters to be drafted, however, I'd say three random drafts and three that are the first three in reverse would be the fairest way.

Originally posted by Soljer
Usually in a random-draft.
So even if you happen to be the person who goes to the effort of digging out an obscure character and getting them approved, there's still a chance for someone else to take them? In that case is it possible to p.m. the mod privately so you can ask about a character being eligible without running the risk of others possibly taking your idea?

Originally posted by Akuki
So even if you happen to be the person who goes to the effort of digging out an obscure character and getting them approved, there's still a chance for someone else to take them? In that case is it possible to p.m. the mod privately so you can ask about a character being eligible without running the risk of others possibly taking your idea?

That's the traditional way.

Ill may have something different in his mind - it's his show.

Originally posted by Soljer
Usually in a random-draft.

Since there are SIX characters to be drafted, however, I'd say three random drafts and three that are the first three in reverse would be the fairest way.

Hmm...

Actually, I want to only have 3 Rounds of the draft, so in each round you'll be able to draft 2 characters, though you can also save a draft pick for a later round if you choose, but you can't make more than 3 choices in a round.

Originally posted by illadelph12

Hey Ill, is allright if I send you pm's to ask about whether characters fulfill the requirements for the tournament? It's mainly because I'm looking at obscure characters that no other person would think of if I don't mention them, but which are very good for this tournaments purposes, and I don't want to risk them getting drafted by someone else.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm...

Actually, I want to only have 3 Rounds of the draft, so in each round you'll be able to draft up to 2 characters, though you can also save a draft pick for a later round if you choose, but you can't make more than three choices in a round.

Well, one random, one inverse of the former, how will the third round be determined?

Wait, so are the possible draft choices made public before you submit your requests or are they made public after?

Originally posted by Akuki
Wait, so are the possible draft choices made public before you submit your requests or are they made public after?

Normally you PM the administrator of the tournament with "Is XXX okay?"

He'll say yes or no, or may PM the judges to get their opinion.

Then, you go to the drafts - if someone else drafts XXX before you, you're out of luck, but right now, no one knows who is planning to draft who.

So, once your turn comes up, you can draft XXX without any problem.

After you draft them, everyone knows you have them. Another couple rounds of the same, and everyone has all their characters. Voila.

Originally posted by Soljer
Well, one random, one inverse of the former, how will the third round be determined?

1st round will be first come, first served, 2nd round will be opposite order of the 1st round, and 3rd round will be same order as the 1st round.

Originally posted by Soljer
Normally you PM the administrator of the tournament with "Is XXX okay?"

He'll say yes or no, or may PM the judges to get their opinion.

Then, you go to the drafts - if someone else drafts XXX before you, you're out of luck, but right now, no one knows who is planning to draft who.

So, once your turn comes up, you can draft XXX without any problem.

After you draft them, everyone knows you have them. Another couple rounds of the same, and everyone has all their characters. Voila.

But none of the other participants is made aware of the fact that character XXX is being considered in the draft if you put them forward right?

Originally posted by Akuki
But none of the other participants is made aware of the fact that character XXX is being considered in the draft if you put them forward right?

Hence PM - PRIVATE message. No one but Ill(and the judges, if he isn't sure) know you're considering the character before you draft them.

Originally posted by illadelph12
1st round will be first come, first served, 2nd round will be opposite order of the 1st round, and 3rd round will be same order as the 1st round.

Meaning round three will ALSO be first come first serve, or it'll be the exact same order as round one turned out to be?

Originally posted by Soljer
Meaning round three will ALSO be first come first serve, or it'll be the exact same order as round one turned out to be?

Same order only.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hence PM - PRIVATE message. No one but Ill(and the judges, if he isn't sure) know you're considering the character before you draft them.
Damn I wish I'd known that earlier, oh well. I Curse all others that try and pick C.S. before me, and hereby proclaim them one and all douchebags of the highest order

This is ingenius. The entire amalgam setup is genius.

So I assume the same rules on Body, Mind and Powers are in effect?

And the prep is based on the mind character, or do we just designate a prep guy?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is ingenius. The entire amalgam setup is genius.

So I assume the same rules on Body, Mind and Powers are in effect?

And the prep is based on the mind character, or do we just designate a prep guy?

It can't be mind, body, powers, because you can have a two character amalgam. Or a single character. Or...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is ingenius. The entire amalgam setup is genius.

So I assume the same rules on Body, Mind and Powers are in effect?

And the prep is based on the mind character, or do we just designate a prep guy?
From what i've seen it appears to be a pure amalgam of all of the characters abilities.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
This is ingenius. The entire amalgam setup is genius.

So I assume the same rules on Body, Mind and Powers are in effect?

And the prep is based on the mind character, or do we just designate a prep guy?

The amalgam is all aspects. You'll get a true amalgamation. All knowledge, skills, powers, etc will be combined fully.

As for the prep, within your write up you must designate which character from the team is hosting the prep (if you drafted Batman, the Batcave, if you drafter Nick Fury the Helicarrier, etc.).

I'm so excited. droolio

Originally posted by Akuki
Hey Ill, is allright if I send you pm's to ask about whether characters fulfill the requirements for the tournament? It's mainly because I'm looking at obscure characters that no other person would think of if I don't mention them, but which are very good for this tournaments purposes, and I don't want to risk them getting drafted by someone else.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The amalgam is all aspects. You'll get a true amalgamation. All knowledge, skills, powers, etc will be combined fully.

As for the prep, within your write up you must designate which character from the team is hosting the prep (if you drafted Batman, the Batcave, if you drafter Nick Fury the Helicarrier, etc.).

So we get prep each round? Or do we get one round with prep, and one round with no prep?

Or do we just pick a different prep guy each round?

I'm in.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Soljer, Jason, and Validus, consider yourselves judges.

Val, since this is a multi genre tourney I'll be hosting it at the House of Zod. If you haven't registered yet here's the link:

http://p068.ezboard.com/bhouseofzod Actually scratch that I would like to judge.

Originally posted by Akuki
Here's a sample of one of Caerula's feats, BTW what's considered too fast for this tournament? I know she definitely isn't too strong, so speed is probably the main issue.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_166.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_167.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_168.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_169.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_170.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_171.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm_LO_Vol08_172.jpg

Explanation of her abilities:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-053.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-054.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-055.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-056.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-057.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Gunnm-LO06-058.jpg

Against her.

She was to fast. Spidey is the limit really right? She made him look like a clown how she did the dodging and blocking.

Sorry triple post.

It's, of course, up to Ill...

But I wouldn't say her speed alone puts her above spidey level. Wolverine has blocked bullets with his claws, Daredevil has blocked bullets with his billy clubs, Iron Fist has caught a bullet, all of them 'bullet time' with ease, none of them would be considered to be inherently above 'spidey' level.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's, of course, up to Ill...

But I wouldn't say her speed alone puts her above spidey level. Wolverine has blocked bullets with his claws, Daredevil has blocked bullets with his billy clubs, Iron Fist has caught a bullet, all of them 'bullet time' with ease, none of them would be considered to be inherently above 'spidey' level.
I think the best way to think of her is Spidey with real martial arts skills, which I don't think would put her over the top.

Well, I don't really know the character very well, so I'd probably say she should just fall under the catch-all 'no-loophole' rule.

If someone tries to get in an obscure character by downplaying their feats during the draft, and then posting things that their opponent believes is over the limit..

Voila, instant disqualification.

Originally posted by Soljer
Well, I don't really know the character very well, so I'd probably say she should just fall under the catch-all 'no-loophole' rule.

If someone tries to get in an obscure character by downplaying their feats during the draft, and then posting things that their opponent believes is over the limit..

Voila, instant disqualification.
What is required to put a person over the top?
I know that it was stated that she's about a 1/3 of the speed of a person who moves a sound speed. Her physical strength is far under spiderman level, and her vampire eye ability basically functions as another version of spidey sense. Her main ability other than that is just her combat expertise and ability to manipulate her opponent psychologically.

Spider-Man himself is not the limit, the characters simply have to be in his class. If a character happens to be faster than Spiderman but falls short in other departments, or has more firepower but less speed and agility, they'll be accepted. The characters should be in his tier, not exactly less powerful.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Spider-Man himself is not the limit, the characters simply have to be in his class. If a character happens to be faster than Spiderman but falls short in other departments, or has more firepower but less speed and agility they'll be accepted. The characters should be in his tier, not exactly less powerful.
Well to be honest Deathstroke is in the low-meta tier, and there's absolutely nothing that Caerula does that he couldn't do.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Spider-Man himself is not the limit, the characters simply have to be in his class. If a character happens to be faster than Spiderman but falls short in other departments, or has more firepower but less speed and agility, they'll be accepted. The characters should be in his tier, not exactly less powerful.

In that case then all good.

But about judging...

I think Soljer will agree I can be fair...I think. Not sure what he thinks TBH.

Originally posted by Switch 07
In that case then all good.

But about judging...

I think Soljer will agree I can be fair...I think. Not sure what he thinks TBH.

Soljer, what are your views on Switch being a judge?

No holding back Soljer. Its all good.

As for the tourney, here are a few more stipulations:

-No time manipulation powers or tech.

-Each team member (poster) will represent one character in the battle and will not be able to post arguments for the others. The exception to this rule is teams with only 2 posters. On these teams each team member will be able to post arguments regarding the character they represent as well as the 3rd character (you'll need to coordinate your arguments so that your attacks do not conflict).

-As usual, no one shot kill abilities (if there are any at this level).

-Vehicles will be allowed based on availability at chosen prep host's base of operations. For example, if you chose The Batcave as your prep area you'd be able to use either the Batmobile, Batwing, etc. Each team is limited to 1 vehicle per round.

-No mind control.

-No access to battlefield prior to the beginning of combat.

-Teams will begin combat .5 kilometers away from each others' position.

I love the vehicle rule.

Well I think I just found out whose's winning this tourney. lol
Inside joke.

btw once again looking for partners, If you interested pm me.

so this is a team match?

so you have 4 team mates.

and you can use 3 different character in every battle to make up your teams character?

I'm in, if I have the time.

Originally posted by Soljer
I love to judge.

Judge judge judge.

I wanna be a judge.

Can I judge?

Wow, wow, calm down Judge 313

Originally posted by illadelph12
Interesting...

What does everyone think of the suggestion?

Also, if we're going to make it amalgams, I think I'd open it up to 6 characters (2 characters per round of the draft), and that the amalgamations could be any combination of 2 or 3 characters on the team, but you would have to field at least three characters in the battle.

How does that sound? Too complex?
sounds good.

A clarification on the vehicle rule:

You can only utilize a "mid-size" vehicle that can carry 2-6 occupants. No mobile bases. So, for example, if you drafted Nick Fury, no, you can't bring the Helicarrier with you into battle. However, if you drafted an Avenger you could use a Quinjet or if you drafted an X-Man you could use the Blackbird.

Take into consideration that whatever prep area you utilize in a previous round will not be available to you in any subsequent rounds so utilize these options wisely. If you use the Batcave (and all vehicles and tech there within) in round 1 you won't be able to use it again in the tournament.

wait we get prep and vehicles now?

thqat seems like a bad idea.........like any one that picks batman is an auto win.

also vehicles pritty makes the characters useless.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wait we get prep and vehicles now?

thqat seems like a bad idea.........like any one that picks batman is an auto win.

also vehicles pritty makes the characters useless.

I've taken that into consideration, which is why I made the stipulation.

Batman does not equate to an auto win, you simply need to be creative.

Also, you only get to use any given prep area once.

.........what?




also still rings of s shitty idea.

prep for this level I feel just not a good idea, takes away from characters and powers them self.

vehicals as well are abd idea, because frankly the black hawlk would **** spiderman level characters up

Then I guess it will be an easy win for you.

Blair and I will be signing up as a team...so everyone feel free to start quaking in your boots now .

Drafts will begin 11/10.

Participants, please have your teams submitted by 11/9 (2 weeks from Friday).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Blair and I will be signing up as a team...so everyone feel free to start quaking in your boots now .

B-Dub's a paper champion.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Drafts will begin 11/10.

Participants, please have your teams submitted by 11/9 (2 weeks from Friday).
Cool, just let me know if you need help with anything. There's probably not a lot I can take care of since I'm not exactly impartial(with my participating and all) but I'll help out in any way I can.

BTW, would you PM me a link to Zod so I can try to get my account set up?

so every match your allowed to use vehicals and prep?

arnt you a little worried about mother box?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
so every match your allowed to use vehicals and prep?

arnt you a little worried about mother box?

No, because you're only allowed to use a prep area once, character's always begin with standard equipment, you can only use one mid sized vehicle, and you can't carry tech and vehicles over with you to the subsequent rounds. Once you use the Batcave card you can't pull it again in any other rounds. If you use it in Round 1 for a win you won't have it as an option for the rest of the tournament.

Strategy is everything.

Note. Seeing as I might be judge I don't think I can help with scans.

But anyone who needs scans PM me if I am not going to judge. Or if I am judge and I can help PM me anyway for some if you need any.

-Prep time will be 10 minutes.
-Amalgamation process will be as follows:
2 character merge will take 2 minutes of prep time.
3 character merge will take 4 minutes of prep time.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Blair and I will be signing up as a team...so everyone feel free to start quaking in your boots now .

So an easy win for anyone who fights you then?

Originally posted by illadelph12
B-Dub's a paper champion.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
No, because you're only allowed to use a prep area once, character's always begin with standard equipment, you can only use one mid sized vehicle, and you can't carry tech and vehicles over with you to the subsequent rounds. Once you use the Batcave card you can't pull it again in any other rounds. If you use it in Round 1 for a win you won't have it as an option for the rest of the tournament.

Strategy is everything.
I see. that sounds interesting.

say you use batcave once could u then use x-men liar next or is it completely one time only.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Soljer, what are your views on Switch being a judge?

Perfect honesty here...

I like switch, he's a cool poster. But I don't think I've seen enough of him to truly gauge him as a judge.

I'm not advocating NOT letting him judge, I just can't in good conscience vouch for him at the same time

As far as prep goes....

It makes things interesting, though the whole merging thing makes things even odder.

I'll just have to see how this all goes.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I see. that sounds interesting.

say you use batcave once could u then use x-men liar next or is it completely one time only.

Access to resources is once per character.

Round one, I use Batman's resources.

Next round, I use David Cain's.

Next round, I use Shiva's.

Next round, I use....et cetera.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I see. that sounds interesting.

say you use batcave once could u then use x-men liar next or is it completely one time only.

It depends completely on who you have on your roster. You get prep for each round, but you can only use a particular prep area once. If you have multiple X-Men, Avengers, or members of the Bat Family, choose when to use their facilities wisely, because you can only use their base once, regardless of how many members of the group you have.

Originally posted by Soljer
Perfect honesty here...

I like switch, he's a cool poster. But I don't think I've seen enough of him to truly gauge him as a judge.

I'm not advocating NOT letting him judge, I just can't in good conscience vouch for him at the same time

As far as prep goes....

It makes things interesting, though the whole merging thing makes things even odder.

I'll just have to see how this all goes. Fair enough.

I just want part of this tourney because I wont be taking part in the debating.

Originally posted by Soljer
Access to resources is once per character.

Round one, I use Batman's resources.

Next round, I use David Cain's.

Next round, I use Shiva's.

Next round, I use....et cetera.



You have 6 characters to choose from, so factor that into your decision making. Picking members of the same team will limit your prep area choices. Variety is the spice of life.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It depends completely on who you have on your roster. You get prep for each round, but you can only use a particular prep area once. If you have multiple X-Men, Avengers, or members of the Bat Family, choose when to use their facilities wisely, because you can only use their base once, regardless of how many members of the group you have.
in all honestly a one base limit for the tourny would be better.


oh also what about objects like the mother box?

Originally posted by Soljer
Perfect honesty here...

I like switch, he's a cool poster. But I don't think I've seen enough of him to truly gauge him as a judge.

I'm not advocating NOT letting him judge, I just can't in good conscience vouch for him at the same time

As far as prep goes....

It makes things interesting, though the whole merging thing makes things even odder.

I'll just have to see how this all goes.

I placed the time constraints on the mergers so that participants have to utilize resources efficiently. You get 10 minutes of prep and the merging will take place during prep. Participants will have to factor that into their plans.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I placed the time constraints on the mergers so that participants have to utilize resources efficiently. You get 10 minutes of prep and the merging will take place during prep. Participants will have to factor that into their plans. Sounds good.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
in all honestly a one base limit for the tourny would be better.


oh also what about objects like the mother box?

I prefer variety.

I'm personally against the use of the Mother Box, as though Batman does have one on loan, it's not his standard equipment or a standard issue Bat Tech.

That will be up for vote.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm personally against the use of the Mother Box, as though Batman does have one on loan, it's not his standard equipment or a standard issue Bat Tech.

That will be up for vote.

mother box can take on superman lol.

also bad man has some crazy devices that could make people far beyond spiderman level

Originally posted by illadelph12
I prefer variety.

I'm personally against the use of the Mother Box, as though Batman does have one on loan, it's not his standard equipment or a standard issue Bat Tech.

That will be up for vote. So what part am I taking in this tourney?

Scan whore or judge?

Originally posted by Switch 07
So what part am I taking in this tourney?

Scan whore or judge?

You can be a judge if you like.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I prefer variety.

I'm personally against the use of the Mother Box, as though Batman does have one on loan, it's not his standard equipment or a standard issue Bat Tech.

That will be up for vote.

Last I checked, Batman doesn't have a motherbox anymore. .

About prep...

Does Batman get access to the batcave, and the batcave only? The JLA watchtower? I mean, he's on the team, it seems no different than giving beast or cyclops access to the X-mansion...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
mother box can take on superman lol.

also bad man has some crazy devices that could make people far beyond spiderman level

Batman's not the only character people should be worrying about.

Particularly considering you can only dip into his bag of tricks once.

thing is the x-mension does not really have that much items you could take with you to battle

Originally posted by illadelph12
You can be a judge if you like. Sweet.

I think the limits of what vehicles and what you can have for prep need to be sorted out pretty early.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Batman's not the only character people should be worrying about.

Particularly considering you can only dip into his bag of tricks once.

ya but the mother box..............is an auto win


hell you could even say to take th iron man suit if you get the avenger character.


I think the rules need to be firmer.

also by allowing so many items people can use kinda takes away from the characters I mean who cares about your character when you can use ironman suit, or mother box.

Originally posted by Switch 07
Sweet.

I think the limits of what vehicles and what you can have for prep need to be sorted out pretty early.
agreed

Batman no longer has the motherbox. He temporarily borrowed one.

Oh, and it does NOT make him ANYWHERE NEAR Superman-level.

Originally posted by Soljer
Last I checked, Batman doesn't have a motherbox anymore. .

About prep...

Does Batman get access to the batcave, and the batcave only? The JLA watchtower? I mean, he's on the team, it seems no different than giving beast or cyclops access to the X-mansion...

Batman gets the Batcave only. He is on a team, but unlike the X-Men, the JLA is a collective of solo heroes. The Batcave is Batman's historical primary base of operations. That will be the distinction of which base is available for any character. Similarly, Beast is an Avenger but is primarily an X-man and historically the X-Mansion is his base of operations. Therefore, the X-Mansion would be his base of operations if he was chosen.

Originally posted by Switch 07
So what part am I taking in this tourney?

Scan whore or judge?
so the judges are Me, Soljer, Validus and Switch?

Originally posted by JasonK4
so the judges are Me, Soljer, Validus and Switch? Wasn't there one more?

Originally posted by JasonK4
so the judges are Me, Soljer, Validus and Switch?

And myself.

And I believe Newjak as well.

Originally posted by illadelph12
And myself.

And I believe Newjak as well.
Cool.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya but the mother box..............is an auto win


hell you could even say to take th iron man suit if you get the avenger character.


I think the rules need to be firmer.

also by allowing so many items people can use kinda takes away from the characters I mean who cares about your character when you can use ironman suit, or mother box.

Ironman suits?

I think you're extrapolating too much Battlehammer.

At the prep host's base you'll only have access to the prep host's resources. You can't draft any Avenger and get access to Mjolnir and Ironman's equipment, only the equipment of whichever Avenger you drafted. You will however have access to the prep host's computer and information databases.

If there's still room I'm in this

though I need a teammate :/

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
If there's still room I'm in this

though I need a teammate :/

There's plenty of room. I think we only have 1 confirmed team. I'm looking to have 8-16 teams.

Is there a restriction on magic?

Also, as far as tech goes, I think we should consider disbarring alien tech. Obviously anything new gods/thanos/dr. doom level is out.

Also, the following characters should be banned: Mr. Miracle, almost everyone from Jojo's bizarre Adventure, and certain super genius characters. Guys like the Leader, Kang, etc. I realize most of them are out because they are over the tier requirement, but some of these guys have insane tech that they carry on them and have impressive prep.

Originally posted by illadelph12
And myself.

And I believe Newjak as well.

If Newjak's out, I can judge.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Is there a restriction on magic?

Also, as far as tech goes, I think we should consider disbarring alien tech. Obviously anything new gods/thanos/dr. doom level is out.

Also, the following characters should be banned: Mr. Miracle, almost everyone from Jojo's bizarre Adventure, and certain super genius characters. Guys like the Leader, Kang, etc. I realize most of them are out because they are over the tier requirement, but some of these guys have insane tech that they carry on them and have impressive prep.

At this level magic is definitely banned. I agree with that Trickster.

I'm not limiting intelligence and resourcefulness though. If you take into consideration that you only get 10 minutes to prepare for battle, and that the amalgamation process uses up a good portion of your prep time if you choose to utilize it, some of the other options don't play as big a factor.

I don't believe anyone in this tier has equipment to the Dr. Doom/Thanos level. This is a <low meta tier tournament. If high caliber tech can somehow be achieved via meshing however it would allowed, however unlikely.

The key to winning will be ingenuity, not simply powers.

Originally posted by llagrok
If Newjak's out, I can judge.



Have you registered yet?

I haven't.

But do I have to register before the tourney starts because I am already on like three or four forums....

KMC
CBR
Herochat
Imagecomics

Originally posted by Switch 07
I haven't.

But do I have to register before the tourney starts because I am already on like three or four forums....

KMC
CBR
Herochat
Imagecomics

So long as you're there to judge it's all good.

Less than a day and we're on page 7? Dang. If I had the time to keep up with everything, I'd consider joining...but I probably don't at the moment. These days it takes a lot of attention to stay up on changes and use it to your advantage.

I'll judge if there's a post limit in matches, so if you need judges, you can put me on the list ill.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Less than a day and we're on page 7? Dang. If I had the time to keep up with everything, I'd consider joining...but I probably don't at the moment. These days it takes a lot of attention to stay up on changes and use it to your advantage.

I'll judge if there's a post limit in matches, so if you need judges, you can put me on the list ill.

Thanks Digi.

This thing won't get kicked off until late November so if you want to be a combatant you have time. The drafts aren't until 11/10 (tentatively).

Originally posted by Soljer
An amalgam would be slightly more interesting.

Especially if you didn't have the OPTION of picking one of your foes characters, but you actually were REQUIRED to switch at least one character each match.

Much more interesting outcome, methinks...

Would people prefer to add a character to your roster or swap a character out?

Swap one guy out each match.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Would people prefer to add a character to your roster or swap a character out?

Adding one to the roster would give a new level of versatility each round.

Swapping one out adds a new layer of strategy.

I, personally, think that swapping one out would make the matches harder, more interesting, and more varied. So it isn't all about who can pick the best characters, because, well...after they pick the best characters, they have to start losing said characters. .

Originally posted by illadelph12
So long as you're there to judge it's all good. No doubt man.

Originally posted by Soljer
Adding one to the roster would give a new level of versatility each round.

Swapping one out adds a new layer of strategy.

I, personally, think that swapping one out would make the matches harder, more interesting, and more varied. So it isn't all about who can pick the best characters, because, well...after they pick the best characters, they have to start losing said characters. .


I think there is enough change as is in this tournament that this rule really is not needed

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I think there is enough change as is in this tournament that this rule really is not needed

You're just scared that you're gonna have to make more than a single plan. .

I've already got an awesome amalgam in mind.

So it's 2 for a swap and 1 against the rule outright.

So to clarify, we're looking at swapping one guy out each match. We can swap them back in after a round or two, right?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So to clarify, we're looking at swapping one guy out each match. We can swap them back in after a round or two, right? No, they're talking about being forced to dump one character after each win for an opponent's character.

Originally posted by Soljer
You're just scared that you're gonna have to make more than a single plan. .


In my opinion, why should others benefit from the planning we do before the drafts? If they didnt think of the character, too bad for them

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I think there is enough change as is in this tournament that this rule really is not needed

I know you and Goob have something diabolical in mind. This is going to be an interesting tourney.

Where's Scoobless?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So to clarify, we're looking at swapping one guy out each match. We can swap them back in after a round or two, right?

Actually, initially I was going to have it that you could add a member of a defeated opponent's roster to your own to mix in to you amalgams, but Soljer suggested that rather than adding more choices you have to choose a character to swap out for a member of the defeated team.

It's currently up for vote.

I'd go with Soljer's.

Originally posted by Blair Wind


In my opinion, why should others benefit from the planning we do before the drafts? If they didnt think of the character, too bad for them

If it's single elimination, it doesn't matter - the winner HAS to take a loser's character, and the loser isn't in the tourney anymore, so it's not like he gets one of your good characters.

If it's double elimination, then it would be the winner that decides which two characters swap - meaning you would try to get the opponent character that would best go with your plans, and give THEM one of your characters that may NOT go with their plans.

I'm not sure I like the idea of having to take a character from a defeated opponent. So I would still have all my guys, but have to swap one out for an opponent's guy? So by the end of the tournament, I'd have, what?, 3-4 more guys in my stable?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not sure I like the idea of having to take a character from a defeated opponent. So I would still have all my guys, but have to swap one out for an opponent's guy? So by the end of the tournament, I'd have, what?, 3-4 more guys in my stable?

The original idea was that you start with six, and you make three characters out of them.

If you win, you get one of your opponents, so you have seven characters to choose from, but you still make your three characters utilizing only six of them.

If you win again, you have eight to pick from, but make your three person team with only six, et cetera.

My idea was that you start with six, and when you win, you HAVE to 'lose' one of your characters, and simultaneously pick up one of your opponents. You never gain or lose the total number of characters - it stays at six.

BUT, it means you are forced to rethink some of your strategies. It means you CANNOT use the exact same strategy round after round. It makes things a bit harder for the debaters - makes them have to be capable of thinking quicker on their feet, and ALSO makes things much more interesting.

In my opinion, of course.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not sure I like the idea of having to take a character from a defeated opponent. So I would still have all my guys, but have to swap one out for an opponent's guy? So by the end of the tournament, I'd have, what?, 3-4 more guys in my stable?

Pretty much. Which is why I personally was for adding characters, but I also see the merits of Soljer's suggestion.

I'm neutral; it's up to the people.

Originally posted by Soljer
The original idea was that you start with six, and you make three characters out of them.

If you win, you get one of your opponents, so you have seven characters to choose from, but you still make your three characters utilizing only six of them.

If you win again, you have eight to pick from, but make your three person team with only six, et cetera.

My idea was that you start with six, and when you win, you HAVE to 'lose' one of your characters, and simultaneously pick up one of your opponents. You never gain or lose the total number of characters - it stays at six.

BUT, it means you are forced to rethink some of your strategies. It means you CANNOT use the exact same strategy round after round. It makes things a bit harder for the debaters - makes them have to be capable of thinking quicker on their feet, and ALSO makes things much more interesting.

In my opinion, of course.

So the swapped ones just get thrown away (since I am assuming losers stay...losers?)

I dont like it much. If you wanna add people from opponents that lose, fine. But dont penalize people for winning

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So the swapped ones just get thrown away (since I am assuming losers stay...losers?)

I dont like it much. If you wanna add people from opponents that lose, fine. But dont penalize people for winning

Good point.

Originally posted by illadelph12


Have you registered yet?

On ezboards?

Been a member for years.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So the swapped ones just get thrown away (since I am assuming losers stay...losers?)

I dont like it much. If you wanna add people from opponents that lose, fine. But dont penalize people for winning

It's not supposed to be a penalty. It's just supposed to change things up. Make each match that much more unique, and make the individual debaters actually spend a little time thinking on their feet(and planning ahead) rather than planning everything before the drafts even happen. .

While I can see that swapping characters would be a more interesting tourney from the outside(with the judges and onlookers and such), but it really adds a whole new level of difficulty to an unfamiliar format for all the participants and should be avoided IMO because it could make things difficult for anyone who doesn't know every street level hero inside and out. I myself prefer the idea of an ever expanding stable to choose from because it means that each team will be becoming more powerful with each passing round. That adds more than enough of a "wild card" factor to keep this thing interesting to all involved.

Gah!

You poozers just don't want a challenge.

Originally posted by Soljer
Gah!

You poozers just don't want a challenge.
A mixed genera partners amalgam tourney with a ever growing roster is challenge enough for me. The thought of HAVING to research a new character every round of this thing seems a little over the top in the difficulty department. Think about it, what happens if one team decides to draft all manga/video game/cartoon characters team, and then they lose to someone(like me) who doesn't really know anything or have proof for anything outside of the realm of comics? The winning team gets stuck with someone who they're in no way comfortable with .