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List heroes/villans that could destroy a planet the size of Earth, with just one punch. Now don't come in here and say Galactus, LT, etc, ect.....

Batman could do it with a kick

Originally posted by superkronick92
Batman could do it with a kick

I said no one in Glactus level. Read the opening post!

Supes. Cap Marvel?

Remember folks no energy powers or anything like that , just a punch with everything they have.

Old school Drax?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Old school Drax?

I would say yes, also Supes.

Champ ?

hasn't hulk smashed a planet

Originally posted by guy222
hasn't hulk smashed a planet

Knowing Hulk, I'm sure he has...Was it with one punch ?

Originally posted by guy222
hasn't hulk smashed a planet
i would think he could if mad enuff. did gladiator ever do it?
i can see jaf doing it

Sentry

Superman

Hulk has smashed a meteor twice the size of Earth with one punch. But he was also propelled very fast at it like a rocket so that must be taken into consideration.

Champ has smashed a planet to pieces in a fight with Thanos with one punch.

Terrax has sliced a planet in half with one swing of his axe.

Beta Ray Bill has smashed a planet in half using Stormbreaker, though it took multiple shots.

Sentry and Genis were also destroying multiple planets in their fight, and while Genis probably did it with energy, i assume Sentry did it with punches.

Others that i would think could break up a planet if theyre pissed off enough are Thor, Superman, Morg, Dumb Drax, Gladiator, Hyperion, King Hyperion, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Hercules (if he could fly), Maxam, Juggernaut (if he could fly), etc

Originally posted by Photon009
Hulk has smashed a meteor twice the size of Earth with one punch. But he was also propelled very fast at it like a rocket so that must be taken into consideration.

Champ has smashed a planet to pieces in a fight with Thanos with one punch.

Terrax has sliced a planet in half with one swing of his axe.

Beta Ray Bill has smashed a planet in half using Stormbreaker, though it took multiple shots.

Sentry and Genis were also destroying multiple planets in their fight, and while Genis probably did it with energy, i assume Sentry did it with punches.

Others that i would think could break up a planet if theyre pissed off enough are Thor, Superman, Morg, Dumb Drax, Gladiator, Hyperion, King Hyperion, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Hercules (if he could fly), Maxam, Juggernaut (if he could fly), etc You realize the propulsion from flight undermines the strength feat?

Also, the list is sketchy.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
You realize the propulsion from flight undermines the strength feat?

Also, the list is sketchy.

Propulsion does make a difference. You saying if Superman flew at pretty high speeds and hit WW, and then stood in one place and hit WW, it would be the same effect? Hell no. Propulsion does make a big difference actually.

And what do you consider "sketchy"?

Originally posted by Photon009
Propulsion does make a difference. You saying if Superman flew at pretty high speeds and hit WW, and then stood in one place and hit WW, it would be the same effect? Hell no. Propulsion does make a big difference actually.

And what do you consider "sketchy"? Which means that's not at all a "punching" feat for Hulk, and most likely not for Sentry, if we assume he used teh fistz.

Hercules, Hype, etc.

He means the hammers, power gems and propulsion.

Gladiator has only destroyed a planet in three punches... doesn't that tell you something?

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Which means that's not at all a "punching" feat for Hulk, and most likely not for Sentry, if we assume he used teh fistz.

Hercules, Hype, etc.

It still is a major punching feat. For example, if a human, or even say, Rhino, was propulled at that speed at the meteor, he wouldve been killed probably. I'm just saying that's it's not all punching. It's like 80% a punching feat and 20% a speed/propulsion feat.

Originally posted by Photon009
It still is a major punching feat. For example, if a human, or even say, Rhino, was propulled at that speed at the meteor, he wouldve been killed probably. I'm just saying that's it's not all punching. It's like 80% a punching feat and 20% a speed/propulsion feat. No, it's 50% durability, and 50% speed.

That's like saying a bullet is uber strong when fired out of a gun.

It has nothing to do with strength... at all.

Originally posted by Photon009
It still is a major punching feat. For example, if a human, or even say, Rhino, was propulled at that speed at the meteor, he wouldve been killed probably. I'm just saying that's it's not all punching. It's like 80% a punching feat and 20% a speed/propulsion feat.

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durability

noun
permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force; "they advertised the durability of their products"

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
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durability

noun
permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force; "they advertised the durability of their products"

Considering he PUNCHED it and didnt just fly into it, it's strength not durability. I guess you could make a case of it being durability of his hand, but that goes with strength.

at his full size pyron

Originally posted by Bransolute
No, it's 50% durability, and 50% speed.

That's like saying a bullet is uber strong when fired out of a gun.

It has nothing to do with strength... at all.

So you are saying that if Cannonball (blasting, which makes him invulnerable ....and thus having max durability) was propelled at the speed of light towards an Earth-sized planet, he would be able to demolish it? After all, while blasting his durability is off the charts, and since he is being propelled at light speed (say assume he manages to achieve 'c') he would be at the maximum level of speed possible (at least per physics, although I have an arm's list of comic book characters who can go faster than c)

Thus, under such conditions, you are telling me that a c-travelling Cannonball who is blasting would have the same effect on a planet as a 0.0001c travelling Superman....still bloody fast, but several MAGNITUDES slower than the true-c .....Cannonball would be travelling at 670 616 629 miles per hour, while Superman would be travelling at 67061.6629
miles per hour ....a 'mere' fraction of the speed Cannonball would be moving at. Cannonball would be at his max durability since he would be blasting, and just to make sure that his blasting isn't up to snuff at c-speed let's assume that Galactus makes him TOTALLY invulnerable.

Thus, Cannonball is moving at C-speed, and he is totally invulnerable. But his level of strength is THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Thus, he would be able to do more damage to Earth than Superman at 0.0001C?

Is that what you are telling us?

And if not, then there is MORE to the equation than durability and speed. Much more.

Going back to bullets and ballistics, the damage propagated on a target does not stem from speed alone. While speed is an important component, it is not the final solution. In many cases soldiers and cops (particular cops) will prefer a slower heavier bullet over a faster high-velocity rifle bullet, because when it comes to stopping power it is the amount of energy delivered to the target that counts.
There are policeofficers who have died after being shot by crooks that had just absorbed a fullisade of bullets from the cop's gun, but those bullets were so fast that they simply went in and went out, without doing sufficient damage. That damage is called stopping power. Several police departments have opted out of 9mm guns (with fast whizzy bullets) to go to .45s (that will knock a man down with one shot due to the energy delivered). Others opt for either soft nosed bullets (which expand and cause a lot of energy to be delivered to the target and will drop a man dead, instead of full-metal jacket rounds that are found in some rifles that can go 3 times the speed of sound and penetrate the engine block of a car, but will go through a person unless target placement is exact). There are also 'specialist' bullets like the razor that have immense 'hydro-shock' effect on a human body.
In the Phillipines during WW2, Allied soldiers would shoot at yelling charging natives many times and not manage to stop all of them (the natives were high on local brew or drugs or something). But when they would use their handguns ...Colt 45s ...those people would go down immediately, and stay down.
More recently there is the whole debate about the M-16 (and its 5.56 round) and the AK-47 (and its 7.62 round). The M-16s round is smaller, faster, and more accurate. The Kalashnikov round is larger, slower, and less accurate.
PEople have been hit several times with the M-16, and not gone down and managed to even keep firing. A single bullet from a Kalashnikov hitting your LEG will keep you down. (The good thing for our soldiers, though, is that they are very good shots ....thus they tend to kill the enemy quite well. The enemy on the other hand tends to be quite bad at aiming, thus they tend to 'spray and pray')
Anyways, a single M-16 round may very well go right through a Melon and only leave a hole.
A colt-45 bullet will make that melon literally explode.

Anyways, why do our soldiers not use 7.62 rounds? Several reasons, chief among them being that we (as well as NATO) use the 5.56 round (apart from sniper rifles, which use larger rounds), and also due to the fact that at times it is better to injure the enemy (making sure that his friends are busy tending to his wounds) rather than killing him (whereby his friends can just leave him there and continue fighting). That is soldier doctrine.
A cop on the other hand will want a round that when fired will stop the target in his tracks. That is cop doctrine. If a cop fires at you he is not firing to wound you, contrary to what TV shows may claim. It means that he has reached the level of last resort, and he is shooting to put you down (not necessary kill you, but put you down is pretty self-explanatory). He needs to keep you from killing him, his partner, and other civilians. If you have a weapon, and you do not give up, you will die.

Thus, again, are you SURE that it is only 'speed and durability.' Because a M-16 round is far more durable than the exposed-lead round of a 45, and travels far faster, but have very different effects.


My opinion of what would happen if Cannotball (at C-speed and perffect durability) flew at Earth: what would happen is Cannonball would shoot right through the earth, like an armor piercing bullet through soft cheese that will not even expand, and the only damage would be a man-sized hole going through the planet and that is quickly sealed up by magma flow flowing out and solidifying into obsidian within an hour's time.

My opinion of what would happen if Superman (at 0.0001 C-speed, and mad as heck with his intention being to really mess up the Earth): Whether the Earth would shatter or not is open to opinion, but the LEAST that would happen is MAJOR tectonic movement, huge loss of life, possible knocking of the Earth out of its axis, and a HUGE gouge across the Earth (based on what he did to one of Jupiter's - or was it Saturn - moons when LEx won presidency)

Thus, are you certain it is '50% speed and 50% durability?' I say it is not ....speed is a factor, durability is a factor, but there is FAR more to the equation than that.

Maxam destroy a planet?

please.

SMP (both if them i guess)
Juggernaut
Techniqually the flash (by the definition of IMP)

I'm not sure if the Juggernaut is strong enough

Originally posted by llagrok
I'm not sure if the Juggernaut is strong enough
I agree.

Originally posted by llagrok
I'm not sure if the Juggernaut is strong enough

He isn't.

Thor can do it with his hammer. Not really a punch per say, But since he uses it to fight, I count that.

Originally posted by spetznaz
So you are saying that if Cannonball (blasting, which makes him invulnerable ....and thus having max durability) was propelled at the speed of light towards an Earth-sized planet, he would be able to demolish it? After all, while blasting his durability is off the charts, and since he is being propelled at light speed (say assume he manages to achieve 'c') he would be at the maximum level of speed possible (at least per physics, although I have an arm's list of comic book characters who can go faster than c)

Thus, under such conditions, you are telling me that a c-travelling Cannonball who is blasting would have the same effect on a planet as a 0.0001c travelling Superman....still bloody fast, but several MAGNITUDES slower than the true-c .....Cannonball would be travelling at 670 616 629 miles per hour, while Superman would be travelling at 67061.6629
miles per hour ....a 'mere' fraction of the speed Cannonball would be moving at. Cannonball would be at his max durability since he would be blasting, and just to make sure that his blasting isn't up to snuff at c-speed let's assume that Galactus makes him TOTALLY invulnerable.

Thus, Cannonball is moving at C-speed, and he is totally invulnerable. But his level of strength is THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Thus, he would be able to do more damage to Earth than Superman at 0.0001C?

Is that what you are telling us?

And if not, then there is MORE to the equation than durability and speed. Much more.

Going back to bullets and ballistics, the damage propagated on a target does not stem from speed alone. While speed is an important component, it is not the final solution. In many cases soldiers and cops (particular cops) will prefer a slower heavier bullet over a faster high-velocity rifle bullet, because when it comes to stopping power it is the amount of energy delivered to the target that counts.
There are policeofficers who have died after being shot by crooks that had just absorbed a fullisade of bullets from the cop's gun, but those bullets were so fast that they simply went in and went out, without doing sufficient damage. That damage is called stopping power. Several police departments have opted out of 9mm guns (with fast whizzy bullets) to go to .45s (that will knock a man down with one shot due to the energy delivered). Others opt for either soft nosed bullets (which expand and cause a lot of energy to be delivered to the target and will drop a man dead, instead of full-metal jacket rounds that are found in some rifles that can go 3 times the speed of sound and penetrate the engine block of a car, but will go through a person unless target placement is exact). There are also 'specialist' bullets like the razor that have immense 'hydro-shock' effect on a human body.
In the Phillipines during WW2, Allied soldiers would shoot at yelling charging natives many times and not manage to stop all of them (the natives were high on local brew or drugs or something). But when they would use their handguns ...Colt 45s ...those people would go down immediately, and stay down.
More recently there is the whole debate about the M-16 (and its 5.56 round) and the AK-47 (and its 7.62 round). The M-16s round is smaller, faster, and more accurate. The Kalashnikov round is larger, slower, and less accurate.
PEople have been hit several times with the M-16, and not gone down and managed to even keep firing. A single bullet from a Kalashnikov hitting your LEG will keep you down. (The good thing for our soldiers, though, is that they are very good shots ....thus they tend to kill the enemy quite well. The enemy on the other hand tends to be quite bad at aiming, thus they tend to 'spray and pray')
Anyways, a single M-16 round may very well go right through a Melon and only leave a hole.
A colt-45 bullet will make that melon literally explode.

Anyways, why do our soldiers not use 7.62 rounds? Several reasons, chief among them being that we (as well as NATO) use the 5.56 round (apart from sniper rifles, which use larger rounds), and also due to the fact that at times it is better to injure the enemy (making sure that his friends are busy tending to his wounds) rather than killing him (whereby his friends can just leave him there and continue fighting). That is soldier doctrine.
A cop on the other hand will want a round that when fired will stop the target in his tracks. That is cop doctrine. If a cop fires at you he is not firing to wound you, contrary to what TV shows may claim. It means that he has reached the level of last resort, and he is shooting to put you down (not necessary kill you, but put you down is pretty self-explanatory). He needs to keep you from killing him, his partner, and other civilians. If you have a weapon, and you do not give up, you will die.

Thus, again, are you SURE that it is only 'speed and durability.' Because a M-16 round is far more durable than the exposed-lead round of a 45, and travels far faster, but have very different effects.


My opinion of what would happen if Cannotball (at C-speed and perffect durability) flew at Earth: what would happen is Cannonball would shoot right through the earth, like an armor piercing bullet through soft cheese that will not even expand, and the only damage would be a man-sized hole going through the planet and that is quickly sealed up by magma flow flowing out and solidifying into obsidian within an hour's time.

My opinion of what would happen if Superman (at 0.0001 C-speed, and mad as heck with his intention being to really mess up the Earth): Whether the Earth would shatter or not is open to opinion, but the LEAST that would happen is MAJOR tectonic movement, huge loss of life, possible knocking of the Earth out of its axis, and a HUGE gouge across the Earth (based on what he did to one of Jupiter's - or was it Saturn - moons when LEx won presidency)

Thus, are you certain it is '50% speed and 50% durability?' I say it is not ....speed is a factor, durability is a factor, but there is FAR more to the equation than that.

As brilliant as I'm sure that was it nonetheless missed the point entirely

I don't think any top tier has shown the powah to one shot a planet thus far.

Some have alluded to it, but the on panel evidence is lacking greatly.

Gladiator comes to mind for Marvel, since he did it in three.

Aside from that, i've got nothing.

Originally posted by spetznaz
So you are saying that if Cannonball (blasting, which makes him invulnerable ....and thus having max durability) was propelled at the speed of light towards an Earth-sized planet, he would be able to demolish it? After all, while blasting his durability is off the charts, and since he is being propelled at light speed (say assume he manages to achieve 'c') he would be at the maximum level of speed possible (at least per physics, although I have an arm's list of comic book characters who can go faster than c)

Thus, under such conditions, you are telling me that a c-travelling Cannonball who is blasting would have the same effect on a planet as a 0.0001c travelling Superman....still bloody fast, but several MAGNITUDES slower than the true-c .....Cannonball would be travelling at 670 616 629 miles per hour, while Superman would be travelling at 67061.6629
miles per hour ....a 'mere' fraction of the speed Cannonball would be moving at. Cannonball would be at his max durability since he would be blasting, and just to make sure that his blasting isn't up to snuff at c-speed let's assume that Galactus makes him TOTALLY invulnerable.

Thus, Cannonball is moving at C-speed, and he is totally invulnerable. But his level of strength is THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Thus, he would be able to do more damage to Earth than Superman at 0.0001C?

Is that what you are telling us?

And if not, then there is MORE to the equation than durability and speed. Much more.

Going back to bullets and ballistics, the damage propagated on a target does not stem from speed alone. While speed is an important component, it is not the final solution. In many cases soldiers and cops (particular cops) will prefer a slower heavier bullet over a faster high-velocity rifle bullet, because when it comes to stopping power it is the amount of energy delivered to the target that counts.
There are policeofficers who have died after being shot by crooks that had just absorbed a fullisade of bullets from the cop's gun, but those bullets were so fast that they simply went in and went out, without doing sufficient damage. That damage is called stopping power. Several police departments have opted out of 9mm guns (with fast whizzy bullets) to go to .45s (that will knock a man down with one shot due to the energy delivered). Others opt for either soft nosed bullets (which expand and cause a lot of energy to be delivered to the target and will drop a man dead, instead of full-metal jacket rounds that are found in some rifles that can go 3 times the speed of sound and penetrate the engine block of a car, but will go through a person unless target placement is exact). There are also 'specialist' bullets like the razor that have immense 'hydro-shock' effect on a human body.
In the Phillipines during WW2, Allied soldiers would shoot at yelling charging natives many times and not manage to stop all of them (the natives were high on local brew or drugs or something). But when they would use their handguns ...Colt 45s ...those people would go down immediately, and stay down.
More recently there is the whole debate about the M-16 (and its 5.56 round) and the AK-47 (and its 7.62 round). The M-16s round is smaller, faster, and more accurate. The Kalashnikov round is larger, slower, and less accurate.
PEople have been hit several times with the M-16, and not gone down and managed to even keep firing. A single bullet from a Kalashnikov hitting your LEG will keep you down. (The good thing for our soldiers, though, is that they are very good shots ....thus they tend to kill the enemy quite well. The enemy on the other hand tends to be quite bad at aiming, thus they tend to 'spray and pray')
Anyways, a single M-16 round may very well go right through a Melon and only leave a hole.
A colt-45 bullet will make that melon literally explode.

Anyways, why do our soldiers not use 7.62 rounds? Several reasons, chief among them being that we (as well as NATO) use the 5.56 round (apart from sniper rifles, which use larger rounds), and also due to the fact that at times it is better to injure the enemy (making sure that his friends are busy tending to his wounds) rather than killing him (whereby his friends can just leave him there and continue fighting). That is soldier doctrine.
A cop on the other hand will want a round that when fired will stop the target in his tracks. That is cop doctrine. If a cop fires at you he is not firing to wound you, contrary to what TV shows may claim. It means that he has reached the level of last resort, and he is shooting to put you down (not necessary kill you, but put you down is pretty self-explanatory). He needs to keep you from killing him, his partner, and other civilians. If you have a weapon, and you do not give up, you will die.

Thus, again, are you SURE that it is only 'speed and durability.' Because a M-16 round is far more durable than the exposed-lead round of a 45, and travels far faster, but have very different effects.


My opinion of what would happen if Cannotball (at C-speed and perffect durability) flew at Earth: what would happen is Cannonball would shoot right through the earth, like an armor piercing bullet through soft cheese that will not even expand, and the only damage would be a man-sized hole going through the planet and that is quickly sealed up by magma flow flowing out and solidifying into obsidian within an hour's time.

My opinion of what would happen if Superman (at 0.0001 C-speed, and mad as heck with his intention being to really mess up the Earth): Whether the Earth would shatter or not is open to opinion, but the LEAST that would happen is MAJOR tectonic movement, huge loss of life, possible knocking of the Earth out of its axis, and a HUGE gouge across the Earth (based on what he did to one of Jupiter's - or was it Saturn - moons when LEx won presidency)

Thus, are you certain it is '50% speed and 50% durability?' I say it is not ....speed is a factor, durability is a factor, but there is FAR more to the equation than that.












You gatdamned nerd~!!!

Gimme your lunch money, science boy!!

Originally posted by spetznaz



More recently there is the whole debate about the M-16 (and its 5.56 round) and the AK-47 (and its 7.62 round). The M-16s round is smaller, faster, and more accurate. The Kalashnikov round is larger, slower, and less accurate.
PEople have been hit several times with the M-16, and not gone down and managed to even keep firing. A single bullet from a Kalashnikov hitting your LEG will keep you down. (The good thing for our soldiers, though, is that they are very good shots ....thus they tend to kill the enemy quite well. The enemy on the other hand tends to be quite bad at aiming, thus they tend to 'spray and pray')
Anyways, a single M-16 round may very well go right through a Melon and only leave a hole.
A colt-45 bullet will make that melon literally explode.

Anyways, why do our soldiers not use 7.62 rounds? Several reasons, chief among them being that we (as well as NATO) use the 5.56 round (apart from sniper rifles, which use larger rounds), and also due to the fact that at times it is better to injure the enemy (making sure that his friends are busy tending to his wounds) rather than killing him (whereby his friends can just leave him there and continue fighting). That is soldier doctrine.
A cop on the other hand will want a round that when fired will stop the target in his tracks. That is cop doctrine. If a cop fires at you he is not firing to wound you, contrary to what TV shows may claim. It means that he has reached the level of last resort, and he is shooting to put you down (not necessary kill you, but put you down is pretty self-explanatory). He needs to keep you from killing him, his partner, and other civilians. If you have a weapon, and you do not give up, you will die.

Thus, again, are you SURE that it is only 'speed and durability.' Because a M-16 round is far more durable than the exposed-lead round of a 45, and travels far faster, but have very different effects.




OT, but a 7.62 round is not less accurate than a 5.56 round. Using a m16 against an ak-47 completely misses the point, simply because the latter is a terrible firearm. High chances of IA, overheating, high recoil, inaccuracy and can fire only lead rounds iirc. 7.62 rounds are used in many sniper rifles around due to their increased power, which gives accuracy in a high-powered weapon.

As for why the US military uses 5.56 rounds, other than the reason you gave, the weight difference of 5.56 vs 7.62 is a sticking point, plus the more powerful rifles that use the round are not practical in qutie a few combat situations.

It's doesn't take more power to do anything. People forget that Bruce lee could split a brick with the appropriate strike, where as a man, 3 times his strength cannot. It's really about speed, the point of the strike, and the shock waves created by such. Wonder why a bullet hits one part of the body and does very little damage, but hit's another and destroys a life? It's all about where you hit, how you hit, and what is surrounding the affected area.

Anyway - the Hulk feat is all about speed and durability. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Anyway - the Hulk feat is all about speed and durability. .

IMO, it's about speed, durability and the actual composition of the Rock. Superman hit WW much harder and faster than the Hulk was moving, and she hit Earth going far faster than light. And yet she only made a huge crater.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's doesn't take more power to do anything. People forget that Bruce lee could split a brick with the appropriate strike, where as a man, 3 times his strength cannot. It's really about speed, the point of the strike, and the shock waves created by such. Wonder why a bullet hits one part of the body and does very little damage, but hit's another and destroys a life? It's all about where you hit, how you hit, and what is surrounding the affected area.

I can answer that one. If you have taken some martial arts, you should have learnt that strikes always go through an object, clenching of the fist/cocking of wrist for knife and palm strikes is done just before hitting the target and that relaxation and withdrawal of the striking appendage is immediate after the strike. This increases power. There really is nothing more to it that technique and conditioning.

Originally posted by Soljer
Anyway - the Hulk feat is all about speed and durability. .

Same way the Superman splitting a moon of mars is speed and durability, right?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Same way the Superman splitting a moon of mars is speed and durability, right?

That was already established as such.

ah i see, my list was based on pure strength (hence juggy) yeah but speed probably wouldnt be enough to do it unless he was like... thrown

Not all planets are the same size, density, or material.

Mercury, and Jupiter are both planets, yet are vastly different.

There are a lot of variables to this.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Same way the Superman splitting a moon of mars is speed and durability, right?

Yeah, no one has denied that.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Same way the Superman splitting a moon of mars is speed and durability, right?

Who has tried to claim that that was a strength feat?

Originally posted by Soljer
Who has tried to claim that that was a strength feat? \
It's a partial strength feat. His arms didn't cave in as he flew threw. He held them str8 out. Kept them locked into place.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
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It's a partial strength feat. His arms didn't cave in as he flew threw. He held them str8 out. Kept them locked into place.

It's not a strength feat. -_-.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's not a strength feat. -_-.

In the same way I was saying Thor breaking the celestial's armor wasn't a strength feat. Funny how things can change to suit my past arguments.

Wait, how is flying through a moon analogous to swinging a hammer to break something?

Oh, right, it isn't.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wait, how is flying through a moon analogous to swinging a hammer to break something?

Oh, right, it isn't.

Um yeah. Think for yourself before I have to break it down.


Hammer swings.

At light speed.

Is indestructible.

Where is Thor's strength in all of that?

Looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Superman flying thru a planet looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Have you had enough or shall I break it down further and educate?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um yeah. Think for yourself before I have to break it down.


Hammer swings.

At light speed.

Is indestructible.

Where is Thor's strength in all of that?

Looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Superman flying thru a planet looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Have you had enough or shall I break it down further and educate?

The Hammer doesn't swing itself, idiot.

Someone's holding that handle.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um yeah. Think for yourself before I have to break it down.


Hammer swings.

At light speed.

Is indestructible.

Where is Thor's strength in all of that?

Looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Superman flying thru a planet looks like a feat of speed and durability to me.

Have you had enough or shall I break it down further and educate?

Superman doesn't use muscles to fly.

A planet cant be destroyed by a punch. Your hand would make a hole, but the shock wouldnt be able to spread around the whole globe. Its not a solid object like a rock, there is water, ground and so

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman doesn't use muscles to fly.
What does that have to do with anything? T

Originally posted by Soljer
The Hammer doesn't swing itself, idiot.

Someone's holding that handle.
So now you are calling me an Idiot. Thor swung the hammer building up momentum. If it was a strength feat, Why not just punch the Celestials armor? Why swing the hammer building up momentum? Got ya. Idiot.

can someone prove to me that superman has planet destroying punches. I would like to see a scan. I know hulk has done it before but hulk has unlimited strength. I would like for someone to show me Superman destroying something the size of a planet BY STANDING ON TOP OF IT, with his fist.

Im thinking that you all are guessing and dont know what in the hell youre talking about. I know gladiator have done it, drax, champion, hulk, but has superman ever pulled a feat that even show him destroying something with one punch the size of a damn mountain, no. If he has prove it. I think the threadster should have put, show proof on the people that you named. Just because gladiator has superman powers doesnt mean that superman is as strong as gladiator, or even close.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What does that have to do with anything? T

Thor does use muscles to swing the hammer. That's his strength (plus some mechanical advantage).

Superman doesn't use his muscles to fly through a planet. His strength is in no way involved.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thor does use muscles to swing the hammer. That's his strength (plus some mechanical advantage).

Superman doesn't use his muscles to fly through a planet. His strength is in no way involved.

So when his arms didn't cave in from the impact, then what exactly did superman use if not strength? He held himself in a str8 line while flying thru a moon the size of a planet. And It wasn't just mechanical advantage Thor used, He used a hammer far harder than his fist, and he swung it around over and over building up momentum. Not a strength feat.

Originally posted by carver9
can someone prove to me that superman has planet destroying punches. I would like to see a scan. I know hulk has done it before but hulk has unlimited strength. I would like for someone to show me Superman destroying something the size of a planet BY STANDING ON TOP OF IT, with his fist.

Im thinking that you all are guessing and dont know what in the hell youre talking about. I know gladiator have done it, drax, champion, hulk, but has superman ever pulled a feat that even show him destroying something with one punch the size of a damn mountain, no. If he has prove it. I think the threadster should have put, show proof on the people that you named. Just because gladiator has superman powers doesnt mean that superman is as strong as gladiator, or even close.

Fail. Planets all have different makeups, etc. It's rediculous that you think Gladiator is as strong as Superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So now you are calling me an Idiot. Thor swung the hammer building up momentum. If it was a strength feat, Why not just punch the Celestials armor? Why swing the hammer building up momentum? Got ya. Idiot.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thor does use muscles to swing the hammer. That's his strength (plus some mechanical advantage).

Superman doesn't use his muscles to fly through a planet. His strength is in no way involved.


As far as his arms not 'caving in' - they were locked.

Same reason people that hit water with locked legs shatter their bones rather than just having their legs 'give way.'

Originally posted by Soljer
The Hammer doesn't swing itself, idiot.

Someone's holding that handle.

Yes, but do you really think that Thor's hand speed is = to c. -_-

A planet cant be destroyed by a punch. Your hand would make a hole, but the shock wouldnt be able to spread around the whole globe. Its not a solid object like a rock, there is water, ground and so

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but do you really think that Thor's hand speed is = to c. -_-

Did I say that? No? Then maybe that's a good indicator of whether I believe it or not. doped.

Originally posted by Soljer
Did I say that? No? Then maybe that's a good indicator of whether I believe it or not. doped.

Cool.

I just take it for what it is. A magical hammer that when swung, goes at the speed of light.

Unless people on here actually believe that Thor swings it that fast through pure muscle...

Originally posted by batdude123
Cool.

I just take it for what it is. A magical hammer that when swung, goes at the speed of light.

Unless people on here actually believe that Thor swings it that fast through pure muscle...

Which I've been saying forever as well. The hammer adds much dmg to Thor's potential.

Physically it is not possible to bust a planet with a punch.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Fail. Planets all have different makeups, etc. It's rediculous that you think Gladiator is as strong as Superman.

Can you give me a reason to think otherwise since it was stated that gladiator strength is incaculable because of his confedence. Gladiator might not have a limit because of that reason, whereas it MIGHT would take a sundip superman to keep up with the strength that gladiator can maintain in a full confident state.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Superman doesn't use muscles to fly. does he use his muscles to keep his arms straight from bending from the force of hitting a planet?

cuz I'm pretty sure he does, therefore it is a strength feat

Originally posted by carver9
Can you give me a reason to think otherwise since it was stated that gladiator strength is incaculable because of his confedence. Gladiator might not have a limit because of that reason, whereas it MIGHT would take a sundip superman to keep up with the strength that gladiator can maintain in a full confident state.

Superman is capable of lifting 65 QUINTILLION tons...Gladiator is no where near that strong.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Physically it is not possible to bust a planet with a punch.

Thanks.

It's also not possible to be able to shoot lasers out of one's eyes either.

We're discussing comic books, imbecile.

Originally posted by Soljer
As far as his arms not 'caving in' - they were locked.

Same reason people that hit water with locked legs shatter their bones rather than just having their legs 'give way.'

Ur using water, with unstable fluid molecules as a comparison to a planet?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur using water, with unstable fluid molecules as a comparison to a planet?

Have you ever hit water after a long fall? Besides the same applies to solid matter as well.

Originally posted by batdude123
Thanks.

It's also not possible to be able to shoot lasers out of one's eyes either.

We're discussing comic books, imbecile. did I say it was not possible in a comic?

you might want to take a class in reading comprehension, imbecile

Originally posted by Master-Borg
does he use his muscles to keep his arms straight from bending from the force of hitting a planet?

cuz I'm pretty sure he does, therefore it is a strength feat

Pieces of straw must be pretty strong, being able to keep themselves from bending from the force of hitting trees when they are driven through them in tornadoes.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
did I say it was not possible in a comic?

you might want to take a class in reading comprehension, imbecile

If you knew we were discussing comic books, then there was absolutely no reason for you to post this bullshit.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Physically it is not possible to bust a planet with a punch.

Fail.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Pieces of straw must be pretty strong, being able to keep themselves from bending from the force of hitting trees when they are driven through them in tornadoes.

A piece of Straw is already in a straight line. It also doesn't have muscles and nerves to feel. Superman's arm bend. thus invalidating your example.

Originally posted by batdude123
If you knew we were discussing comic books, then there was absolutely no reason for you to post this bullshit.



Fail. you need to relax and chill man, this is a comic discussion forum, there's no need to get so roused up and belittle others. If you disagree, fine, but save the name calling for other boards.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Have you ever hit water after a long fall? Besides the same applies to solid matter as well.

No. hitting water after a long fall only applies if said speed is great enough. If i where to hit the water at the speed it would take to kill me, the same speed would crush my arms to dust if I had my hands in a fist like superman did when he split the moon planet.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you need to relax and chill man, this is a comic discussion forum, there's no need to get so roused up and belittle others. If you disagree, fine, but save the name calling for other boards.

barker

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A piece of Straw is already in a straight line. It also doesn't have muscles and nerves to feel. Superman's arm bend. thus invalidating your example.

So straw doesn't bend?

*gets a piece of straw*


















DUDE!!!!! I JUST BROKE SCIENCE!!!!!! nuts

Originally posted by batdude123
Thanks.

It's also not possible to be able to shoot lasers out of one's eyes either.

We're discussing comic books, imbecile.

Originally posted by batdude123
barker you don't agree?

Originally posted by JasonK4


What he wrote wasnt even funny...
In comicbooks, they have supernatural powers, but they mostly use them in a logical fassion that their capacilities should enable them to.

If you were millions of times stronger then Superman, you would start a small earthquake when punching in the ground, but not destroy anything. Only make a hole in the ground. You dont make the planet explode by touching it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur using water, with unstable fluid molecules as a comparison to a planet?

As Sym pointed out - it applies to solid matter as well. I just happened to use that example because people tend to jump high distances into water (and crack their legs, if they lock them out). They don't normally jump high distances onto concrete.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Pieces of straw must be pretty strong, being able to keep themselves from bending from the force of hitting trees when they are driven through them in tornadoes.

Myth. Straw isn't driven through trees. Even at wind speeds far greater than any ever recorded.

Originally posted by batdude123

Fail.

You say it as if it's new for Masterbruce to be a failure...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A piece of Straw is already in a straight line. It also doesn't have muscles and nerves to feel. Superman's arm bend. thus invalidating your example.

Superman is already in a straight line when flying, and straw bends pretty easily.

And I can't think of one thing "muscles and nerves to feel" have to do with what you're arguing.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So straw doesn't bend?

*gets a piece of straw*

















DUDE!!!!! I JUST BROKE SCIENCE!!!!!! nuts

A piece of straw is flexible to a degree. Your arm bends at a joint. You Just failed at being witty.

Joints don't bend when they're locked. They break.

Originally posted by Soljer
Joints don't bend when they're locked. They break.

Superman's arms weren't locked where they? They looked to be slightly bent. Thus it was a partials strength feat, partial durability, partial speed feat.

Originally posted by Monster Reborn
What he wrote wasnt even funny...
In comicbooks, they have supernatural powers, but they mostly use them in a logical fassion that their capacilities should enable them to.

If that were the case, WWH should not have been able to stand up to Black Bolt's scream. So, no, their powers aren't always used in logical "fashion."

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman's arms weren't locked where they? They looked to be slightly bent. Thus it was a partials strength feat, partial durability, partial speed feat.

No. It was a durability and a speed feat.

Originally posted by Soljer
No. It was a durability and a speed feat.

The same way Thor's hammer swing was a speed feat and durabiility feat of his hammer.

Originally posted by Soljer
Myth. Straw isn't driven through trees. Even at wind speeds far greater than any ever recorded.

Yeah, I saw that episode, too.

I've also seen straw embedded in a tree with my own eyes.

Occasionally the show can't accurately recreate natural phenomena, so they claim that they've BUSTED it based on their own shortcomings.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The same way Thor's hammer swing was a speed feat and durabiility feat of his hammer.

Unfortunately, not, as has been explained to you time and time again. You just don't quite seem to get it, so I'm not going through the trouble of doing it once more.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Yeah, I saw that episode, too.

I've also seen straw embedded in a tree with my own eyes.

Occasionally the show can't accurately recreate natural phenomena, so they claim that they've BUSTED it based on their own shortcomings.

Yeah. And I've seen the sky open up and rain blazing-fecal-hell-fire.

Get that shit out of here.

Originally posted by Soljer
Unfortunately, not, as has been explained to you time and time again. You just don't quite seem to get it, so I'm not going through the trouble of doing it once more. Perhaps you don't get it.

Originally posted by So1jer
Perhaps you don't get it.

Wow...are you really still here?

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow...are you really still here?

Originally posted by Soljer
Unfortunately, not, as has been explained to you time and time again. You just don't quite seem to get it, so I'm not going through the trouble of doing it once more.

What ever. Now show us Thor's fist moving at Faster than light speeds and being as durable as his hammer. cuz I remember a bullet piercing his skin. And the hammer knocking back a galaxy blast. Or something like that. Not a strength feat. The feat is the hammer's.

Its basic knowledge that Thors mainpower is in the hammer.

Originally posted by Monster Reborn
Its basic knowledge that Thors mainpower is in the hammer.

No. some lames here like to use Thor's hammer feats as actual strength feats.

Originally posted by Monster Reborn
Its basic knowledge that Thors mainpower is in the hammer.

Thor has commented that the power is in him not the hammer. Hell he can use the god blast with nothing but his hands.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thor has commented that the power is in him not the hammer. Hell he can use the god blast with nothing but his hands.

Now show us Thor hitting something at faster than light speeds like his hammer can. And show us Thor being as durable as the hammer itself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now show us Thor hitting something at faster than light speeds like his hammer can. And show us Thor being as durable as the hammer itself.

If you're going to ask people questions at random it might be time for a nap.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thor has commented that the power is in him not the hammer. Hell he can use the god blast with nothing but his hands.

Mjolnir endows the wielder with the power of Thor.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you're going to ask people questions at random it might be time for a nap.

I didn't see any question marks in those statements. It might be time to learn what a question is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I didn't see any question marks in those statements. It might be time to learn what a question is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos


Well. You started it.

Originally posted by Monster Reborn
What he wrote wasnt even funny...
In comicbooks, they have supernatural powers, but they mostly use them in a logical fassion that their capacilities should enable them to.

If you were millions of times stronger then Superman, you would start a small earthquake when punching in the ground, but not destroy anything. Only make a hole in the ground. You dont make the planet explode by touching it.

You're reaching.

Hardly anything in comics is 'logical.'

The fact that planets HAVE been busted with a punch on panel attests to this.

So, as far as comic book physics is concerned, yes, planets CAN be destroyed with a punch.

Originally posted by batdude123
Thanks.

It's also not possible to be able to shoot lasers out of one's eyes either.

We're discussing comic books, imbecile.

Originally posted by Faceman
List heroes/villans that could destroy a planet the size of Earth, with just one punch. Now don't come in here and say Galactus, LT, etc, ect..... Pyron could do it with a finger.

Superman accidentally almost knocked a moon out of orbit
when weakened... I don't see why he couldn't one shot a
planet when at full power and actually wanting to one shot
the planet.

bump....

Originally posted by Larceny
bump....

You just started WWIII .

Originally posted by Faceman
You just started WWIII .

Good. Now onto WWIV

Superman can't.

Originally posted by Larceny
Good. Now onto WWIV

Superman can't.

Gladiator can. Wonder Woman cant.

Originally posted by Faceman
I would say yes, also Supes.

Champ ? Without the PG? Nah.

MODT likely could though.

Originally posted by Faceman
Gladiator can. Wonder Woman cant.

What issue does gladiator destroy a planet.

.

Scans courtesy of Jonathanos.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/Face-Man/GladPlanet1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/Face-Man/Gladplanet2.jpg

Bah!!

That's PC Gladiator...... Doesn't count.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bah!!

That's PC Gladiator...... Doesn't count.

I can care less, I hate Gladiator...

Originally posted by Faceman
I can care less, I hate Gladiator...

It's couldn't. I couldn't care less.

Originally posted by Larceny
It's couldn't. I couldn't care less. Actually, he's saying he does care, and he could care less, but he doesn't care that much... ermm

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Actually, he's saying he does care, and he could care less, but he doesn't care that much... ermm

Oh. I figured he was making a common mistake of mixing couldn't and could when attempting to express lack of interest. My fault. ermm

Originally posted by Larceny
Oh. I figured he was making a common mistake of mixing couldn't and could when attempting to express lack of interest. My fault. ermm Wouldn't that make him some sort of idiot or something? shocklaugh

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Wouldn't that make him some sort of idiot or something? shocklaugh

I dunno.... ermm

Yeah I'm an idiot.

As a kid I managed to collect and still have several issues in which PC heroes Mon el and Superman did that. Now that writing is much better and at least some sense of realism has become the style you don't see those types of feats. But in the late fifties early 60's, even into the mid 60's people used moons as weapons, pushed and pulled planets. It's funny how crazy powerful PC characters were. Guys like Superman and Mon el could fart and destroy the planet . It was ridiculous, but cool. I seem to remember a PC Character named Atlas that was that powerful. He carried Planets.

Originally posted by Parallex
As a kid I managed to collect and still have several issues in which PC heroes Mon el and Superman did that. Now that writing is much better and at least some sense of realism has become the style you don't see those types of feats. But in the late fifties early 60's, even into the mid 60's people used moons as weapons, pushed and pulled planets. It's funny how crazy powerful PC characters were. Guys like Superman and Mon el could fart and destroy the planet . It was ridiculous, but cool. I seem to remember a PC Character named Atlas that was that powerful. He carried Planets.


Superman Prime anyone?

I'd love to see PC Vartox return just to beat him up and Monarch.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
Superman Prime anyone?

I'd love to see PC Vartox return just to beat him up and Monarch.

Prime indeed is quite powerful But nowhere near PC level Supes or Mon. They could do stuff without effort that No one can do today. If they stomped to hard it could split the planet, their is no comparisons. As hard as it would seem to be truth, Prime would be a weak lil chump in the PC days. He might have chance against Bouncing Boy or Triplicate Girl back then. No but seriously they were almost all GODLY with every ones power level over the top. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the good old days !

Originally posted by Parallex
Prime indeed is quite powerful But nowhere near PC level Supes or Mon. They could do stuff without effort that No one can do today. If they stomped to hard it could split the planet, their is no comparisons. As hard as it would seem to be truth, Prime would be a weak lil chump in the PC days. I'd tend to agree.

Pre-Crisis Supes was closing black holes with his bare hands, moving planets with his breath, destroying solar systems just by sneezing, time-traveling under his own power, on a whim, and lets not forget that he actually killed a version of Mxy in "WHTTMOT"... etc. etc...

So in the grand scheme of things,
Emo's feats thus far haven't been overly impressive, when compared to the feats of pre-crisis Kryptonians -- from the actual pre-crisis era.


imo.

Originally posted by Parallex
Prime indeed is quite powerful But nowhere near PC level Supes or Mon. They could do stuff without effort that No one can do today. If they stomped to hard it could split the planet, their is no comparisons. As hard as it would seem to be truth, Prime would be a weak lil chump in the PC days. He might have chance against Bouncing Boy or Triplicate Girl back then. No but seriously they were almost all GODLY with every ones power level over the top. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the good old days !

Pre crisis Supes and Mon were nowhere near pc Vartox.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman accidentally almost knocked a moon out of orbit
when weakened... I don't see why he couldn't one shot a
planet when at full power and actually wanting to one shot
the planet. Superman cannot one shot a mountain..... Please stop wishing he could....... all planet smashers have done it on panel.... SUPERMAN HAS NEVER AND NEVER WILL... SO STOP BEATING A DEAD HORSE..... HE WILL NEVER GET UP

Originally posted by james2099
Superman cannot one shot a mountain..... Please stop wishing he could....... all planet smashers have done it on panel.... SUPERMAN HAS NEVER AND NEVER WILL... SO STOP BEATING A DEAD HORSE..... HE WILL NEVER GET UP

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos


cosigned.

heroes destroying planets is dumb, and should only be in the lame pages of dragonball z

I was a geek in college and took three semesters of physics and a bunch of other stuff. To destroy a large object like a planet you would need tremendous impact speed. Show strength, even almost infinite strength, would tear up the impact area but not cause any kind of shock waves to spread out. This gets into momentum vs kinetic energy which are two different things. Think about maybe a slow but very powerful hydraulic press pushing into the ground. It could pierce the earth with 100 tons of force, or pierce with 1000 tons of force, or 100,000,000 tons of force or whatever, but adding force isn't going to cause any more damage outside of the impact area unless it gets faster. Speed it up about 100,000 times and you would want to stand back because it's going to send stuff flying. You would need something moving near light speed to destroy the earth if it was anywhere the size of a body or fist (I'm guesstimating this).

Anyway, I'm wasting all our time because once again, we're talking real world physics and not comic physics where people turn green or get bit by radioactive spiders or come from different planets to begin with.

Originally posted by james2099
Superman cannot one shot a mountain..... Please stop wishing he could....... all planet smashers have done it on panel.... SUPERMAN HAS NEVER AND NEVER WILL... SO STOP BEATING A DEAD HORSE..... HE WILL NEVER GET UP

Are you dumb or what? Superman Punched Wonder Woman so ****ing hard that she made a crater that looked like you could have sat a mountain in it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you dumb or what? Superman Punched Wonder Woman so ****ing hard that she made a crater that looked like you could have sat a mountain in it. It takes a dummy to believe that superman can smash a planet.... Answer this one question......WHEN HAS HE DID IT????????...... I have see scans of all the others doing it but then here comes supermans fanboys running their mouths and lying on supes abilities...... I can say batman can one-shot a planet but people will know that like superman he cannot because they never have.... SHOW A SCAN OF SUPERMAN DESTROYING A PLANET WITH HIS FISTS OR SHUT UP.... You see? if someone says that gladiator or drax can do it they can show scans of them doing it...UNDERSTAND!!

Originally posted by james2099
It takes a dummy to believe that superman can smash a planet.... Answer this one question......WHEN HAS HE DID IT????????...... I have see scans of all the others doing it but then here comes supermans fanboys running their mouths and lying on supes abilities...... I can say batman can one-shot a planet but people will know that like superman he cannot because they never have.... SHOW A SCAN OF SUPERMAN DESTROYING A PLANET WITH HIS FISTS OR SHUT UP.... You see? if someone says that gladiator or drax can do it they can show scans of them doing it...UNDERSTAND!!

Thank you, someone with some sense. Trust me they wont find the scan.

Originally posted by james2099
It takes a dummy to believe that superman can smash a planet.... Answer this one question......WHEN HAS HE DID IT????????...... I have see scans of all the others doing it but then here comes supermans fanboys running their mouths and lying on supes abilities...... I can say batman can one-shot a planet but people will know that like superman he cannot because they never have.... SHOW A SCAN OF SUPERMAN DESTROYING A PLANET WITH HIS FISTS OR SHUT UP.... You see? if someone says that gladiator or drax can do it they can show scans of them doing it...UNDERSTAND!!

You said that he couldnt neshot a mountain.
He has lifted one.

Originally posted by Val
Lifting a moutain large enough to crush Metropolis and pushing it into the sun.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9412/actioncomics585p194jb.th.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2105/actioncomics585p201ge.th.jpg http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/873/actioncomics585p210qr.th.jpg

You said he couldnt oneshot a planet.

Originally posted by Rorschach


Supergirl, who is much weaker than Superman destroys a moon.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/Untitled-Scanned-08.jpg

Superman splits a moon in half.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/Superman-LexLuthor200028.jpg

Moon = Planet.

Using speed to project yourself through a moon = one punching a planet.

Sweet. Just wanted to know this fact.

He splits a small moon by plowing through it, not using his strength to punch it. So its a 55% durability feat 40% speed feat and a 5% strength feat. Supergirl does the same thing. So they're barely strength feats .And they aren't as impressive as 3-shoting a planet.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You said that he couldnt neshot a mountain.
He has lifted one.



You said he couldnt oneshot a planet. Hes straining like hell with that mountain, I see why he needed help to move a moon... WHERE IS HE ONE-SHOTTING NOOOOOOOO,HELL NOOOOOO..WHERE IS HE EVEN 1000 SHOTTING A PLANET??????

Pyron could do it with his pinky-tip.

Originally posted by moonknight11
He splits a small moon by plowing through it, not using his strength to punch it. So its a 55% durability feat 40% speed feat and a 5% strength feat. Supergirl does the same thing. So they're barely strength feats .And they aren't as impressive as 3-shoting a planet. Smart man....LISTEN TO MOONKNIGHT11 AND LEARN SOMETHING.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Moon = Planet.

Using speed to project yourself through a moon = one punching a planet.

Sweet. Just wanted to know this fact.

He asked for the scans. I gave them to him.

And yes, a moon is a planetoid. Anything as big as that would be considered that. Also, the thing that gladiator three-shotted didnt look very planet like either, if you want to get technical.

Originally posted by james2099
Hes straining like hell with that mountain, I see why he needed help to move a moon... WHERE IS HE ONE-SHOTTING NOOOOOOOO,HELL NOOOOOO..WHERE IS HE EVEN 1000 SHOTTING A PLANET??????

Well considering its from the 90s...

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
Pre crisis Supes and Mon were nowhere near pc Vartox.



Erm, yes, yes they were.

Despite his Herald like power-set he was never shown to have a definate edge over Superman when they fought.

Hulk. Surfer could do it with a 'punch'... though of course it would be amped with Power Cosmic, as that is the only thing he has.

Thanos probably could do it too.

The Grey Hulk one-smashed an asteroid large twice the size of the earth.