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Kurse is at his second amp level of strength.

The Sun is out to keep SBP at full power.

Who wins?

sbp snaps his arm at the elbow

SBP is 4x as strong as any top tier?

That's funny.

The f*ck are you talking about?

Stop smoking crack

Kurse is 4x Thor's strength.

You said SBP beats Kurse.

Thus meaning you think SBP is at least physically 4x as strong as Thor, since you said he beats Kurse, he might even be 5 or 6x as stronger by your logic.

He is alot stronger then that.

I'd have to go with SBP on this one.

Kurse was 4x as strong as Thor, but Thor never showed levels of strength where he was effortlessly moving planets like SBP has.

To top it off, there is speed involved in armwrestling, and SBP was able to speed blitz the flashes, so chances are that he would get the jump.

That's why he could KO Superboy, Black Adam and all the other minorly important heroes with one hit?

Oh wait...he can't.

Lifting feats don't tell the whole story about a character's strength.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That's why he could KO Superboy, Black Adam and all the other minorly important heroes with one hit?

Oh wait...he can't.

Lifting feats don't tell the whole story about a character's strength.

1. It was superboys last showing possibly (but not likely) ever, so of course they made it a good one for him
2. Black adam is magic

That means...nothing. Okay then.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That's why he could KO Superboy, Black Adam and all the other minorly important heroes with one hit?

Oh wait...he can't.

Lifting feats don't tell the whole story about a character's strength.
Wasnt at full power nor was he trying to kill them,he ripped 30 gls in half and destroyed hal and guy...

And none of that is really strength.... He killed the GLs with Ice Breath and it doesn't take 4X Thor's strength to break Hal's arm.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And none of that is really strength.... He killed the GLs with Ice Breath and it doesn't take 4X Thor's strength to break Hal's arm.
He physically overpowered alot of them,hal and guy included people who can amp their strength to well within thor level.

SBP is likely Far far stronger than Kurse. Someone four times as strong as Thor isn't going to be able to handle a whole planet of earth's heroes. And This was while he was weakened. It is also taking the power of Ion to put SBP in check. So SBP wins this. He's probably the strongest character in comics at the moment who isn't a skyfather, abstract or the like.

And yet his punches can't kO any of them.

Nice.

And didn't plain old Black Adam take on a good portion of DC Earth's heroes?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And yet his punches can't kO any of them.

Nice.

And didn't plain old Black Adam take on a good portion of DC Earth's heroes?

Well, that was a weakened SBP. When he was fully powered, they all got scared shitless. He punched BA into a whole other world. And Black Adam was uberly powered up. Remember that.

He punched BA up into the air and he just happened to fly into that other dimension. It's not like if SBP punched him in the other direction he'd hav eended up there.

And once SBP was at full power, all he did was throw them off and fly up.

And even when he was at full power in IC, he didn't one-shot any real top tiers.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He punched BA up into the air and he just happened to fly into that other dimension. It's not like if SBP punched him in the other direction he'd hav eended up there.

And once SBP was at full power, all he did was throw them off and fly up.

And even when he was at full power in IC, he didn't one-shot any real top tiers.

Maybe DC top tiers are you know, More durable. LOL. SBP killed quite a few beings with out wanting to. All the while weakened. If you think a being who can punch time so hard as to retcon it, and move planets with pure ease isn't easily 10 times stronger than the strongest top tier, I'd say you had hateration.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That's why he could KO Superboy, Black Adam and all the other minorly important heroes with one hit?

Oh wait...he can't.

Lifting feats don't tell the whole story about a character's strength.

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4422049.html#cutid1

He busted a planet and took out an alternate jla...

Surfer's durability is above Clark's.



You mean the C-List heroes? He killed the third-rate members of a second-rate team.

lol



And Hulk has held energy.

And Juggernaut has punched through dimensions.


Etc, etc..

All feats like that say is "I'm so strong, I transcend physics!"

They are rampant in comics.



Name one top tier SBP KO'ed in one or two punches.

None?

So...if he's 10x their level, you think he could.

But look, he hasn't.

So, I guess he's not.

Kthxbai



Grey Hulk went through something much bigger.

Terrax has one-shotted a planet without having to use his speed. Just power.

And neither Terrax nor Grey Hulk are the elite top tier and their feats are still more impressive.

Also, we know nothing of that JLA.

That JLA could have lost to a top tier.

They are weaker than the main versions. Case in point, New Earth MM would not die from having his neck snapped.

Weakened sbp is stronger than superman,superman is thors physical superior and has gotten stronger from the time he fought thor to when he and sbp met,sbp is now back at full power...its really not hard for me to see him being more then 4x thor.

Proof?

When did a weak SBP take on just a Superman at his best?

When did the two slug it out?

When did they arm-wrestle?

Prove weakened SBP is phsycially stronger than Superman.

This shit is insane.

Kurse in this scenario is four times stronger than Thor.

Superman is a 100 in strength, Thor is at least a 90.

SBP is strong, but 4 times the strength of someone close to Superman in strength?

Really?

Not going by his showings.

He punched Teth, and knocked him off planet, where he then teleported out.
He wasn't koed.

He then attacked a planet full of top tiers in SC Presents, but then again, it was all inconclusive........other than the fact that he held MM captive.

SBP is stronger than the top tier sure, but 4 times stronger? That was never presented ON PANEL!!

And the latest SBP feats are nice, but the biggest thing he did, was something BRB did, and Stardust did.

A hella nice feat, but not above the top tier.

Is there any proof that Teth wasn't knocked out by that hit? IIRC he was shown in the next issue doing whatever but not immediately after.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Proof?

When did a weak SBP take on just a Superman at his best?

When did the two slug it out?

When did they arm-wrestle?

Prove weakened SBP is phsycially stronger than Superman.

rEAD SC. He fought superman, supergirl and powergirl at their best while weakened. Then the sun came up and he pwned them all.

Originally posted by UniOmni
This shit is insane.

Kurse in this scenario is four times stronger than Thor.

Superman is a 100 in strength, Thor is at least a 90.

SBP is strong, but 4 times the strength of someone close to Superman in strength?

Really?

Not going by his showings.

He punched Teth, and knocked him off planet, where he then teleported out.
He wasn't koed.

He then attacked a planet full of top tiers in SC Presents, but then again, it was all inconclusive........other than the fact that he held MM captive.

SBP is stronger than the top tier sure, but 4 times stronger? That was never presented ON PANEL!!

And the latest SBP feats are nice, but the biggest thing he did, was something BRB did, and Stardust did.

A hella nice feat, but not above the top tier.

Oh, so they pushed a planet accross interstellar distances without the inhabitants noticing and retconned an entire franchise? Really?

Originally posted by Val
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Originally posted by Sirius77
Oh, so they pushed a planet accross interstellar distances without the inhabitants noticing and retconned an entire franchise? Really?

Nice feats to pad out a resume, but it never factored into his fights thus far.

That's what you don't get.

SBP is stronger than the top tier, as i've already admitted.

He just never came across as FOUR TIMES STRONGER THAN THE TOP TIER!..

That's who he's armwrestling. A guy four times stronger than Thor.

Originally posted by Val
Is there any proof that Teth wasn't knocked out by that hit? IIRC he was shown in the next issue doing whatever but not immediately after.
No answer? I figured it was just hating.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Nice feats to pad out a resume, but it never factored into his fights thus far.

That's what you don't get.

SBP is stronger than the top tier, as i've already admitted.

He just never came across as FOUR TIMES STRONGER THAN THE TOP TIER!..

That's who he's armwrestling. A guy four times stronger than Thor.

Since when has kurse pushed, or even busted a planet? I think that you're missing my point.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Since when has kurse pushed, or even busted a planet? I think that you're missing my point.

I can't continually argue with someone so S&^%&d.

Why does it matter, when he's yet to clearly ko a top tier with those feats under his belt?

You're being bullheaded with this requirement for planet pushing.

Kurse doesn't fly.

And the planet busting you're hyping, has been done by Grey Hulk, Stardust, and BRB.

Riddle me this......

Terrax busted a planet with pure strength.

No flying through it as numerous others have done.....(SBP included)

Just cut off the power to the axe before killing the Parasite, and then swung and busted the planet.

He's shown to be stronger than SBP.

As is Gladiator, since he did it in three punched.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I can't continually argue with someone so S&^%&d.

Why does it matter, when he's yet to clearly ko a top tier with those feats under his belt?

You're being bullheaded with this requirement for planet pushing.

Kurse doesn't fly.

And the planet busting you're hyping, has been done by Grey Hulk, Stardust, and BRB.

Riddle me this......

Terrax busted a planet with pure strength.

No flying through it as numerous others have done.....(SBP included)

Just cut off the power to the axe before killing the Parasite, and then swung and busted the planet.

He's shown to be stronger than SBP.

As is Gladiator, since he did it in three punched.
Um, Terrax didn't bust any planet with pure strength. Where in the hell did you get that theory? He used his ax and it's well know that Terrax also commands earth as well. SBP also Punches so hard that he retcons. It's clear he is more than 4 times stronger than thor. He was handling Three kryptonians while depowered. He handled Earth two Superman and earth prime while weakened. And your tryign to say that becuz SBP hasn't beaten anyone 4 times stronger than Thor says he isn't? when has thanos physically beaten anyone 4 times as strong as thor? But we know thanos is clearly stronger than that.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I can't continually argue with someone so S&^%&d.

Why does it matter, when he's yet to clearly ko a top tier with those feats under his belt?

You're being bullheaded with this requirement for planet pushing.

Kurse doesn't fly.

And the planet busting you're hyping, has been done by Grey Hulk, Stardust, and BRB.

Riddle me this......

Terrax busted a planet with pure strength.

No flying through it as numerous others have done.....(SBP included)

Just cut off the power to the axe before killing the Parasite, and then swung and busted the planet.

He's shown to be stronger than SBP.

As is Gladiator, since he did it in three punched.

The planet busting feat was a generalization.

Superman has been shown to be alot stronger than thor, and sbp has been shown to be ALOT stronger than superman. Think about it. BA matches superman in strength, he released an all out attack on sbp, and he didn't even flinch, all ba got in return was a pimpslap back to his dimension. He took out thirty gls, and smashed through a forty mile thick wall of gl energy and it only "slowed him down" Thus far he has punched his way through two dimensions and taken out the great majority of the top tiers in the dcu in one comic, some while weakened.
So, yes, seeing as some of the people that sbp took out were thor level, and he fought three above thor level at one time while weakened, I'd say without a doubt that he is over four times stronger than thor by far.

So if SBP just punched randomly as hard as he could, it would retcon something?

He needs something to hit.



And all those Kryptonians were hitting him as hard as they could?

And SBP overpowered him with just physical strength?

No?

Kay.

And when SBP killed E2 Supes, it was an insane teenager vs. an old man with no superpowers. They never had a real fight besides that as far as I know.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, Terrax didn't bust any planet with pure strength. Where in the hell did you get that theory? He used his ax and it's well know that Terrax also commands earth as well. SBP also Punches so hard that he retcons. It's clear he is more than 4 times stronger than thor. He was handling Three kryptonians while depowered. He handled Earth two Superman and earth prime while weakened. And your tryign to say that becuz SBP hasn't beaten anyone 4 times stronger than Thor says he isn't? when has thanos physically beaten anyone 4 times as strong as thor? But we know thanos is clearly stronger than that.


First.

Terrax does control rock.

But in this case, he merely swung his axe, and the planet exploded.
What does that imply?

No expounding on his control of rock via the PC. He swung, and boom went the planet.

Next.

SBP punches so hard he retcons when he's got a magical wall to punch.

And he might have been intended to be 4 times the strength of the top tier.

He's just never shown that kind of power while actually fighting top tiers.

And i never said SBP has to beat someone 4 times stronger than Thor.

I just wanna see him ko one top tier. Just one.

And Thanos isn't 4 times stronger than Thor.

Two times, possibly, but not four times.

He's not beating someone 4 times the strength of Thor, going off his showings so far.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So if SBP just punched randomly as hard as he could, it would retcon something?

He needs something to hit.



And all those Kryptonians were hitting him as hard as they could?

And SBP overpowered him with just physical strength?

No?

Kay.

And when SBP killed E2 Supes, it was an insane teenager vs. an old man with no superpowers. They never had a real fight besides that as far as I know.

Thier powers didn't immediately Fade. And He needs something to hit yes. He retconned BB with a hit. He also punched his way out of the speed force and the phantom zone. He's far stronger than Curse. It's rediculous to think that a being only 4 times stronger than Thor would be such a bother to the DCU.

Originally posted by UniOmni
First.

Terrax does control rock.

But in this case, he merely swung his axe, and the planet exploded.
What does that imply?

No expounding on his control of rock via the PC. He swung, and boom went the planet.

Next.

SBP punches so hard he retcons when he's got a magical wall to punch.

And he might have been intended to be 4 times the strength of the top tier.

He's just never shown that kind of power while actually fighting top tiers.

And i never said SBP has to beat someone 4 times stronger than Thor.

I just wanna see him ko one top tier. Just one.

And Thanos isn't 4 times stronger than Thor.

Two times, possibly, but not four times.

He's not beating someone 4 times the strength of Thor, going off his showings so far.

First of all, you have your info wrong. Terrax didn't punch one Planet. he swung his ax on a very small planet. The Ax is made by galactus. You can see energy when the ax hits the planet. Not a strength feat.

Two Thanos is by far more than Two times stronger than Thor. Or he wouldn't be able to hand out pimp smacks to the Hulk or hang with WM Thor.

And You show me anyone being 4 times stronger than Thor being able to handle all of earth. Hell despero is prolly 4 times or more stronger than Superman. And he sure as hell ain't stronger than SBP.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thier powers didn't immediately Fade. And He needs something to hit yes. He retconned BB with a hit. He also punched his way out of the speed force and the phantom zone. He's far stronger than Curse. It's rediculous to think that a being only 4 times stronger than Thor would be such a bother to the DCU.

But yet, he hasn't koed a top tier yet.

Kurse handled both BRB and Thor together.

He's got better lifting feats than Kurse, surely.

But battle feats(the ones that actually show how characters REALLY stack), he doesn't approach.

Somewhat stronger.

Not 2x.



There has never been SBP vs. Superman in an arm-wrestle or slugging match with both at their best.

Is he stronger than Supes? Yes. But the degree is a complete unknown and can only be gussed at.




Do you mean Cap Marvel?



A. The GLs weren't even using lethal force to begin with until he was already ripping them to bits.
B.I don't put this feat out of regular Supes' capability.



Who did he take out that were Thor level in strength?

He didnt' even KO Supes or Supergirl.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So if SBP just punched randomly as hard as he could, it would retcon something?

He needs something to hit.

Actually, there was a comic where he wasa fighting either the titans or the outsiders or something like that, and every time he would hit one of them they would get retconned...

But regardless, I doubt that it would be easy to punch through a wall holding the entire dcu anyway, so what is your point?



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And all those Kryptonians were hitting him as hard as they could?

And SBP overpowered him with just physical strength?

No?

Kay.

And when SBP killed E2 Supes, it was an insane teenager vs. an old man with no superpowers. They never had a real fight besides that as far as I know.

Actually, they were hitting him hard enough to ensure that he wouldn't kill them. And taking into account that superman didn't hold back with zod, and pg doesn't hold back, and supergirl doesn't know how, I'd say that he was getting quite a beating.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But yet, he hasn't koed a top tier yet.

Kurse handled both BRB and Thor together.

He's got better lifting feats than Kurse, surely.

But battle feats(the ones that actually show how characters REALLY stack), he doesn't approach.

No. battle feats really don't mean shit without other feats. Surfer Jobbers to everyone but when he has to save a planet or some far out shit, he shines. So we know that he can pretty much own anyone. We dont' see him getting all molecule bending in battles, but we know he can. So you can take that battle feats crap and shove it. And SBP is now in a killing mode. He broke MM Neck. Something that has never happened. Destroyed atlantis with heat vision THRU the sea. and threw a crystal so hard that he killed zod with one throw. So why does he need to knock a top tier out when he's so good at killing them?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, you have your info wrong. Terrax didn't punch one Planet. he swung his ax on a very small planet. The Ax is made by galactus. You can see energy when the ax hits the planet. Not a strength feat.

Two Thanos is by far more than Two times stronger than Thor. Or he wouldn't be able to hand out pimp smacks to the Hulk or hang with WM Thor.

And You show me anyone being 4 times stronger than Thor being able to handle all of earth. Hell despero is prolly 4 times or more stronger than Superman. And he sure as hell ain't stronger than SBP.

Your first point would be valid, if the writer didn't clearly make a point of Terrax cutting off the power to his axe.

Terrax cuts off energy. Terrax swings axe. Planet is destroyed.



Thanos is more durable than he is strong.

He's likely two times Thor.
But his insane durability and stamina is his real edge.

Despero is stronger than average Superman sure.

But he's never been presented as four times Superman.

Vice and Virtue, is the only showing that comes close.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Your first point would be valid, if the writer didn't clearly make a point of Terrax cutting off the power to his axe.

Terrax cuts off energy. Terrax swings axe. Planet is destroyed.



Thanos is more durable than he is strong.

He's likely two times Thor.
But his insane durability and stamina is his real edge.

Despero is stronger than average Superman sure.

But he's never been presented as four times Superman.

Vice and Virtue, is the only showing that comes close.

You realize that Despero gains strength via what body and the soul of the person he takes over. Not clear how it works, but that explains the strength and durablilty fluxes. And Terrax can cut off his energy, but there is still energy sparks when he hits the planet, and he doesn't punch the planet, he swings his ax. And ax made by Galactus. not a strength feat alone. And the planet was clearly small.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Somewhat stronger.

Not 2x.

Strong enough to catch a full on hammer strike with one hand. Also, jurgens, the writer of both has stated that superman is many times stronger than thor. So, he may well be two times stronger than thor.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
There has never been SBP vs. Superman in an arm-wrestle or slugging match with both at their best.

Is he stronger than Supes? Yes. But the degree is a complete unknown and can only be gussed at.

At the speed and ease at which he moves planets, and the way that he fights a city full of top-tiers while weakened, and takes on three kryptonians at one time, I'd say that he is many many times stronger than superman, way over four times.




Do you mean Cap Marvel?

No, but I could. Considering the fact that ca and ba are on par with each other anyway, but ba is more brutal.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
A. The GLs weren't even using lethal force to begin with until he was already ripping them to bits.
B.I don't put this feat out of regular Supes' capability.

Neither do I but the way that he busted through a forty mile thick wall of gl energy without a scratch, and partially slowed down... supes could not do that.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Who did he take out that were Thor level in strength?

He didnt' even KO Supes or Supergirl.

He brushed off ba like a child.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. battle feats really don't mean shit without other feats. Surfer Jobbers to everyone but when he has to save a planet or some far out shit, he shines. So we know that he can pretty much own anyone. We dont' see him getting all molecule bending in battles, but we know he can. So you can take that battle feats crap and shove it. And SBP is now in a killing mode. He broke MM Neck. Something that has never happened. Destroyed atlantis with heat vision THRU the sea. and threw a crystal so hard that he killed zod with one throw. So why does he need to knock a top tier out when he's so good at killing them?

The reason why MM never was killed by a broken neck, is because it's stupid, seeing as how he's a perfect shapeshifter.

If someone printed Superman breaking Plasticmans neck.....it'd be as stupid as this was.

Still, a nice feat..........if it made any sense.

Destroyed Atlantis with hv.......nice feat, nothing Superman couldn't do however.

Zod, was the best battle feat he had.

Good for him.

He finally killed some people worth noting.......too bad they were alternate realities.

Meaning, we don't know how they stack up to their prime selves.

But he did kill characters purported to be top tiers.

And Surfer beats most characters, because he's got battle feats that deem it so.

All i'm saying, is that SBP never showed he was four times stronger than the top tier.

Stronger by a decent margin?

Sure.

Four times the elite top tier?

Not on panel.

1. JLA/Avengers is not canon for Marvel.
2. Writers say a lot of things and portray characters differently.
That same writer says Doomsday > Darkseid.



Durability.



He didn't KO Adam and it doesn't take 4x Thor's strength to do this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You realize that Despero gains strength via what body and the soul of the person he takes over. Not clear how it works, but that explains the strength and durablilty fluxes. And Terrax can cut off his energy, but there is still energy sparks when he hits the planet, and he doesn't punch the planet, he swings his ax. And ax made by Galactus. not a strength feat alone. And the planet was clearly small.

It's not a strength feat alone......because you say so?

Cuz everything else points to strength.

Cuts off power to his axe?

Affirmative.

Swings said axe after power has been cut off?

Affirmative.

Planet is cratered, and the energy spikes you see is likely the artist showing how it affected said planet?

Affirmative.

Planet then goes boom?

Affirmative.

Nvr says planet is clearly small.......though there's no way to say whether it's small or large?

Does not compute.

Virus detected.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
1. JLA/Avengers is not canon for Marvel.
2. Writers say a lot of things and portray characters differently.
That same writer says Doomsday > Darkseid.]

It is cannon for marvel. The cosmic egg was mentioned in the handbook and in some of the comics mentioned the actual crossover. There was someone a few years back that said the same thing that you said and someone pulled up a scan to say otherwise. I don't have the can. But I bet that someone that does will see your post and post the scan.
Also, h/p doomsday is > the physical ds. Because no one hasbeat him. He evolves to everything. It took the entropy of the big bang to halt him. He still came back. Also, it just so happens that this writer writes for superman and thor, and he says that out of the two superman is many times stronger, and it just so happens that superman caught thors full hammer strike with one hand and koed thor. There are way too many variables for that to be a coincidence. I have more evidence to support my argument than you do.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Durability.

Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He didn't KO Adam and it doesn't take 4x Thor's strength to do this.

So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

Originally posted by Sirius77
It is cannon for marvel. The cosmic egg was mentioned in the handbook and in some of the comics mentioned the actual crossover. There was someone a few years back that said the same thing that you said and someone pulled up a scan to say otherwise. I don't have the can. But I bet that someone that does will see your post and post the scan.
Also, h/p doomsday is > the physical ds. Because no one hasbeat him. He evolves to everything. It took the entropy of the big bang to halt him. He still came back. Also, it just so happens that this writer writes for superman and thor, and he says that out of the two superman is many times stronger, and it just so happens that superman caught thors full hammer strike with one hand and koed thor. There are way too many variables for that to be a coincidence. I have more evidence to support my argument than you do.





Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?





So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

I must agree. your gonna have to be far stronger than 4 times stronger than Thor to pimp smack Black Adam that far away.

Is it possible that all angles of this thread are dumb?

I was speaking about the top tier part and no, it wasn't a city full of top tiers. And he didn't KO any of them.



No.

Could someone about 3x stronger than Superman and 4x stronger than Thor do it? Yes.



I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this is sarcasm or you've reached a new low.

So you think that someone as strong as superman could pimp smack ba away? Seriously?

I never said that.

I disagreed with the statement you have to be far beyond 4x as strong as Thor to do it.

Which is the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while.

...I'm saying that a lot lately.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The reason why MM never was killed by a broken neck, is because it's stupid, seeing as how he's a perfect shapeshifter.

If someone printed Superman breaking Plasticmans neck.....it'd be as stupid as this was.

Still, a nice feat..........if it made any sense.

Destroyed Atlantis with hv.......nice feat, nothing Superman couldn't do however.

Zod, was the best battle feat he had.

Good for him.

He finally killed some people worth noting.......too bad they were alternate realities.

Meaning, we don't know how they stack up to their prime selves.

But he did kill characters purported to be top tiers.

And Surfer beats most characters, because he's got battle feats that deem it so.

All i'm saying, is that SBP never showed he was four times stronger than the top tier.

Stronger by a decent margin?

Sure.

Four times the elite top tier?

Not on panel.
I'm sure a lot of top tiers could pull a a galaxy worth of planets.

That's PC Superboy.

Who grew up to be PC Superman of Earth-1.

Ie. NOT in any way related to Superboy of Earth-Prime who we are discussing.

And SBP isn't as powerful as PC Supes as far as hhas been shown.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I never said that.

I disagreed with the statement you have to be far beyond 4x as strong as Thor to do it.

Which is the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while.

...I'm saying that a lot lately.

So then what ARE you saying? You say that you don't have to be four times as strong, then, then despite the fact that superman was stated to be several times stronger than thor, and caught his hammer with one hand to prove it, you say thats wrong. So enlighten me... how strong do you have to be?

Are you actually saying Superman is twice as strong as Thor? Or moreso?

But what I'm saying is that you don't have to be 4x as strong as Thor to swat BA aside.

It's something Thanos could do and Thanos, as Uni said, is not 4x stronger than Thor.

The blow didn't even KO Adam and the distance it threw him has been matched or surpassed by characters such as The Rhino who has knocked people into orbit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Are you actually saying Superman is twice as strong as Thor? Or moreso?

But what I'm saying is that you don't have to be 4x as strong as Thor to swat BA aside.

It's something Thanos could do and Thanos, as Uni said, is not 4x stronger than Thor.

The blow didn't even KO Adam and the distance it threw him has been matched or surpassed by characters such as The Rhino who has knocked people into orbit.

So then are you saying that sbp isn't four times as strong as superman... despite the fact that it took three kryptonians to keep a weakened sbp at bay? So you think that kurse wins this?

He didn't physically overpower any of those Kryptonians so it means jack shit in terms of strength.

And yes I do.

If SBP was 4x as strong as Superman, he'd KO any person he has ever hit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He didn't physically overpower any of those Kryptonians so it means jack shit in terms of strength.

And yes I do.

If SBP was 4x as strong as Superman, he'd KO any person he has ever hit.

Theres a hole in your logic. If that were true and he wasn't four times as strong as superman, then how can he take on three kryptonians and a city of top-tiers while weakened?

And strength doesn't always mean a ko.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That's PC Superboy.

Who grew up to be PC Superman of Earth-1.

Ie. NOT in any way related to Superboy of Earth-Prime who we are discussing.

And SBP isn't as powerful as PC Supes as far as hhas been shown.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Are you actually saying Superman is twice as strong as Thor? Or moreso?

But what I'm saying is that you don't have to be 4x as strong as Thor to swat BA aside.

It's something Thanos could do and Thanos, as Uni said, is not 4x stronger than Thor.

The blow didn't even KO Adam and the distance it threw him has been matched or surpassed by characters such as The Rhino who has knocked people into orbit.

Um Thanos is far beyond 4 times stronger than Thor. That is the first thing. 2nd thing, Black Adam's durability is among the best in comics, It's magically amped. It's equal to CM's and we have seen CM be turned inside out by a tesseract bomb and keep on going. Your logic fails on so many lvls. Do you know how hard it is to move a planet? Let alone so fast that no one even notices. That would require that you be so strong that there is no effort at all. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian manhunter had to struggle to move earth against the sun's gravity. For all intents and purposes, the planets SBP moved where both bigger than the earth. And yet he moved them with ease. It is safe to say, that SBP is at least 10 times stonger than Thor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um Thanos is far beyond 4 times stronger than Thor. That is the first thing. 2nd thing, Black Adam's durability is among the best in comics, It's magically amped. It's equal to CM's and we have seen CM be turned inside out by a tesseract bomb and keep on going. Your logic fails on so many lvls. Do you know how hard it is to move a planet? Let alone so fast that no one even notices. That would require that you be so strong that there is no effort at all. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian manhunter had to struggle to move earth against the sun's gravity. For all intents and purposes, the planets SBP moved where both bigger than the earth. And yet he moved them with ease. It is safe to say, that SBP is at least 10 times stonger than Thor.

co signed

I'd ask you to prove that but I know you can't.



So it wouldn't take 4x Thor's strength just to knock him away (not even KO him)?

Okay.



Not reflected in his fights with heroes so not relevant



I don't see how.



Yay. Supes is a bit above Thor in strength.
WW and MM are below.
So, that isn't 4x Thor's strength.



Just like the way the planet Terrax busted was small....

you don't have proof for either of these claims.



And that's why he can't KO a single top tier.

Nice.

Shin you are obviouslt a fanboy or retarded
I can understand being a thor fanboy because he is f*cking awesome but you must face facts

Dc superheroes generally > Marvel by several multitudes

That is one of the reasons marvel has cosmics

It evens out the balance

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I'd ask you to prove that but I know you can't.



So it wouldn't take 4x Thor's strength just to knock him away (not even KO him)?

Okay.



Not reflected in his fights with heroes so not relevant



I don't see how.



Yay. Supes is a bit above Thor in strength.
WW and MM are below.
So, that isn't 4x Thor's strength.



Just like the way the planet Terrax busted was small....

you don't have proof for either of these claims.



And that's why he can't KO a single top tier.

Nice.
Damn near breaking even with a thor whos amped over 10 times over says that thanos is much beyond 4x thor.

Originally posted by Sirius77
It is cannon for marvel. The cosmic egg was mentioned in the handbook and in some of the comics mentioned the actual crossover. There was someone a few years back that said the same thing that you said and someone pulled up a scan to say otherwise. I don't have the can. But I bet that someone that does will see your post and post the scan.
Also, h/p doomsday is > the physical ds. Because no one hasbeat him. He evolves to everything. It took the entropy of the big bang to halt him. He still came back. Also, it just so happens that this writer writes for superman and thor, and he says that out of the two superman is many times stronger, and it just so happens that superman caught thors full hammer strike with one hand and koed thor. There are way too many variables for that to be a coincidence. I have more evidence to support my argument than you do.





Please tell me how pushing planets, punching through dimensions, fighting a city of toptiers while weakened, and fighting three kryptonians at one time is only a durability feat and not a strength feat?





So you think that thor could just pimp smack adam away?

I've said it before, but it needs repeating.

This post right here, is the reason why Superman and his fans are some of the most hated/disliked posters on the internet.

Superman is stronger than Thor......sure, by a shade.

Superman is many times stronger than Thor? Not on your life.

If Superman is 100, i'd say Thor is 90.

And the lift feats come back once again...

How many times do i have to tell you.....lift feats are nice powah displays, but the actual fights are where we see how they stack up in truth?

It's nice that Blitzoid can bench press a galaxy, but the fact that he can't ko a top tier is more telling about how they stack up.

And SBP didn't fight three Kryptonians.

2.5 kryptonians had him dead to rights, and sitting on his ass weeping.

He's stronger than the top tier by a large margin, sure.

But he's never been presented as FOUR TIMES THE TOP TIER IN STRENGTH!!

Lifting feats are sure to come, since that's all the guy really has.

And to the guy who said DC top tier>Marvel for the most part.......lol.......


wut?

DC Earth has a more central grouping of top tiers, since that's where most of them and their stories take place.

Marvel Earth has more midtiers than top tiers, and always has.

But just because Surfer is flying by the vega galaxy, doesn't mean he's not a marvel top tier.

Same goes for BRB, Quasar, Gladiator, BB(whereever he's at) and many more.

DC's top tier isn't > Marvel top tier.

DC Earth top tier> Marvel Earth top tiers, plainly due to numbers.

As far as strength and speed go Dc generally outclasses marvel by a shitload
As for energy maniplution with the except of a few Dc top tiers generally go to Marvel

People just need to see the black and white of it

Kurse

DC has more superspeed and superstrong combo characters than Marvel, true.

Pure strength is about equal.

Energy manipulation is about equal, with an edge to DC imo.

Originally posted by UniOmni
DC has more superspeed and superstrong combo characters than Marvel, true.

Pure strength is about equal.

Energy manipulation is about equal, with an edge to DC imo.
Well people like Supes 1million
Darkseid
and validus makes me give

str to Dc

and people like pheonix, Genis and galactus makes me want to give energy to marvel

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Well people like Supes 1million
Darkseid
and validus makes me give

str to Dc

and people like pheonix, Genis and galactus makes me want to give energy to marvel

DS actually has far better energy manip.

But You have Takion, the gaurdians, The Antimonitor, The Starbreaker, and the Imperiex who has some serious energy manip as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS actually has far better energy manip.

But You have Takion, the gaurdians, The Antimonitor, The Starbreaker, and the Imperiex who has some serious energy manip as well.

And they are the "except a few dc top teirs" people

but Marvel has quite a bit

Pheonix, galactus, Molecule man, Thor, odin, the keeper, nova, quaser, thanos, blackheart.... and the list goes on

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
And they are the "except a few dc top teirs" people

but Marvel has quite a bit

Pheonix, galactus, Molecule man, Thor, odin, the keeper, nova, quaser, thanos, blackheart.... and the list goes on

Bah. Orion, Highfather, Cosmic Extant, Amazo, All the GL's, the firestorm matrix, Neron, Asmodel, all have some serious energy manipulation feats. And that's not counting the infinite man, the infinityman, mr. mxy, auron.

I'd say Energy wise They are about even. Strength wise, they are about even over all if you add in marvel's herald's and such. Where DC over does it is giving everyone and thier cousin superspeed.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Kurse is at his second amp level of strength.

The Sun is out to keep SBP at full power.

Who wins? SBP snaps that shit off. none

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Bah. Orion, Highfather, Cosmic Extant, Amazo, All the GL's, the firestorm matrix, Neron, Asmodel, all have some serious energy manipulation feats. And that's not counting the infinite man, the infinityman, mr. mxy, auron.

I'd say Energy wise They are about even. Strength wise, they are about even over all if you add in marvel's herald's and such. Where DC over does it is giving everyone and thier cousin superspeed.
Forgot about neuron and extant......

And the gl's dont impress me much

they job WAY to often

So no proof SBP is 4x as strong as the top tier.

I'll give it to Kurse then.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Forgot about neuron and extant......

And the gl's dont impress me much

they job WAY to often You insuinating Extant is weak or what?

Originally posted by UniOmni
But just because Surfer is flying by the vega galaxy, doesn't mean he's not a marvel top tier.

I lol'd.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So no proof SBP is 4x as strong as the top tier.

I'll give it to Kurse then.

Besides the fact that No top tier can move planets with ease? I don't think any top tier can take on Superman, Supergirl, and Powergirl while DEPOWERED and still win. You should just bow your head in shame. I'm so glad that you are proving to be the Hater i always knew you where.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So no proof SBP is 4x as strong as the top tier.

I'll give it to Kurse then.

considering the rest of the thread gives it to sbp your judging means less then shit

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Besides the fact that No top tier can move planets with ease? I don't think any top tier can take on Superman, Supergirl, and Powergirl while DEPOWERED and still win.
He got owned by the kyptoninan trio.

Originally posted by Priest
He got owned by the kyptoninan trio.

He wasn't at full strength.

Originally posted by Priest
He got owned by the kyptoninan trio.

And yet he still managed to give them a hurting and still mustered up enough power to punch a hole str8 thru superman with heat vision.

Originally posted by batdude123
He wasn't at full strength.
nvr said Prime beat them depowered.

Originally posted by Priest
nvr said Prime beat them depowered.

considering they didn't do shit to him, but he shot a hole clean thru clark's chest, I count that as a victory for the depowered PC kryptonian.

All he did was knock Clark down with HV.

And THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH.

Goddamn, people, get it through your head.

And I'll say it AGAIN.

Fighting 2.5 Kryptonians, when he DID NOT physically overpower ANY OF THEM, does not count as a strength feat whatsoever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
considering they didn't do shit to him, but he shot a hole clean thru clark's chest, I count that as a victory for the depowered PC kryptonian.
He was freaking crying, that does not count as a win
Clark was still standing after he got hit with the HV.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I've said it before, but it needs repeating.

This post right here, is the reason why Superman and his fans are some of the most hated/disliked posters on the internet.

Superman is stronger than Thor......sure, by a shade.

Superman is many times stronger than Thor? Not on your life.

If Superman is 100, i'd say Thor is 90.

And the lift feats come back once again...

How many times do i have to tell you.....lift feats are nice powah displays, but the actual fights are where we see how they stack up in truth?

It's nice that Blitzoid can bench press a galaxy, but the fact that he can't ko a top tier is more telling about how they stack up.

And SBP didn't fight three Kryptonians.

2.5 kryptonians had him dead to rights, and sitting on his ass weeping.

He's stronger than the top tier by a large margin, sure.

But he's never been presented as FOUR TIMES THE TOP TIER IN STRENGTH!!

Lifting feats are sure to come, since that's all the guy really has.

And to the guy who said DC top tier>Marvel for the most part.......lol.......


wut?

DC Earth has a more central grouping of top tiers, since that's where most of them and their stories take place.

Marvel Earth has more midtiers than top tiers, and always has.

But just because Surfer is flying by the vega galaxy, doesn't mean he's not a marvel top tier.

Same goes for BRB, Quasar, Gladiator, BB(whereever he's at) and many more.

DC's top tier isn't > Marvel top tier.

DC Earth top tier> Marvel Earth top tiers, plainly due to numbers.

Actually sbp did fight three kryptonians. Supergirl, Superman, and Powergirl. Try again. And where the **** in my post does it say anything about superman that hasn't been proven? It great that you don't like superman, I respect your opinion, but don't put ****ing words in my mouth. Okay?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
All he did was knock Clark down with HV.

And THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH.

Goddamn, people, get it through your head.

And I'll say it AGAIN.

Fighting 2.5 Kryptonians, when he DID NOT physically overpower ANY OF THEM, does not count as a strength feat whatsoever.
2.5? Where in the hell are you getting that from?

PG was shown to be able to hang with Wonder WOman in strength. And actually surpasses her in durability to some extent.

SG is listed as mid herald.

ANd Superman is well, superman.

Kurse wouldn't be able to Hang against All three WHILE depowered.

Btw, I love how everyone is latching onto a feat for SMP in which he was depowered.

GREAT way to look at how strong he truly is.

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, I love how everyone is latching onto a feat for SMP in which he was depowered.

GREAT way to look at how strong he truly is.

The tru feat is when he beats the shit out of mxy next month. Or how he travel's thru the universes with no energy manip powers. It's got to be based upon his precrisis strength.

Power Girl is weaker than the others and always has been except for the brief time her powers flared.



I hope you're kidding.

WW is above Power Girl in all stats.



But we aren't talking about durability.

We are talking about strength and that's all.

Everything else is of no relevance.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Power Girl is weaker than the others and always has been except for the brief time her powers flared.



I hope you're kidding.

WW is above Power Girl in all stats.



But we aren't talking about durability.

We are talking about strength and that's all.

Everything else is of no relevance.

1. powergirl is stronger then supergirl
2. powergirl is a bit stronger then wonderwomen

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The tru feat is when he beats the shit out of mxy next month. Or how he travel's thru the universes with no energy manip powers. It's got to be based upon his precrisis strength.

Or how he's about to pwn Ion Yat in December?

Seriously, if people just look at his appearances, they'll realize how impressive he is.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
1. powergirl is stronger then supergirl
2. powergirl is a bit stronger then wonderwomen

Both of those statements are false.

Originally posted by batdude123
Both of those statements are false.
Im not sure of the validity of the second but the first is 100% true

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Im not sure of the validity of the second but the first is 100% true

Prove it.

Originally posted by Priest
He was freaking crying, that does not count as a win
Clark was still standing after he got hit with the HV.

He was also crying when he accidentally knocked off panthas head, blasted wildabeast in half and tore off risks arm... he cries. Hes
unstable.

Also, wasn't supes standing also when emperor joker ripped out his heart and when manchester blac gave him a stroke?

Just sayin...

He knocked off the heads of the c-listers of the b-team.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
He knocked off the heads of the c-listers of the b-team.

You are such a DC hater. You always have been. You know damned well It would take far more than 4 times the strength of Thor to beat SBP. Every one with any good reasoning skills knows it. Even Thanos can't beat SBP in an arm wrestling match. What are you smoking?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are such a DC hater.

Really?

Originally posted by batdude123
Really?

I know. Stating the obvious and all. He just irks me.

He didn't mean it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Prove it.
Give me $20

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Give me $20

Thanks for answer.

Pre-death Thanos physically overpowered Thor and The Thing.,

Thanos proved he was physiclaly stronger than Dumb Drax who ripped the core out of stars.

Until SBP ACTULALY FOR ONCE knocks out a top tier fairly with physical power, I'm not saying he's 4x stronger than Supergirl, let alone Clark.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Pre-death Thanos physically overpowered Thor and The Thing.,

Thanos proved he was physiclaly stronger than Dumb Drax who ripped the core out of stars.

Until SBP ACTULALY FOR ONCE knocks out a top tier fairly with physical power, I'm not saying he's 4x stronger than Supergirl, let alone Clark.

Wow. Just wow.

And I like SBP.

He's the only Superman I like apart from Kal-L.

But people here are overrating him.

SBP has never, this is a fact, knocked out atop tier characters with his punches in a fair fight.

Not once.

If he's 4x stronger than them, you think he could.

But he hasn't.

So, your claim falls flat and unproven.

Indeed.

Call me when SBP does what Drax did.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And I like SBP.

He's the only Superman I like apart from Kal-L.

But people here are overrating him.

SBP has never, this is a fact, knocked out atop tier characters with his punches in a fair fight.

Not once.

If he's 4x stronger than them, you think he could.

But he hasn't.

So, your claim falls flat and unproven.

So it takes knocking someone out to make you 4 times stronger? I can knock someone out who is the same strength as me. Knocking someone out or not knocking them out only proves how durable they are. Has nothing to do with strength. Is Superman 4 times stronger than Thor becuz he knocked him out? By your logic he is. Game set and match.

If SBP was 4x stronger than Superman, it would literally take zero to no effort to KO Clark.

He could have taken BA's head off or at least knocked him out.

Yet he's NEVER done this.

So, he's not 4x stronger.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Indeed.

Call me when SBP does what Drax did.

rip apart the core of a star? He smashed through a forty mile thich wall of gl energy, and retconned dc with a punch...

Call me when drax does that.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
If SBP was 4x stronger than Superman, it would literally take zero to no effort to KO Clark.

He could have taken BA's head off or at least knocked him out.

Yet he's NEVER done this.

So, he's not 4x stronger.

Well kurse never knocked thors head off. Does that mean that hes not four times stronger?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
If SBP was 4x stronger than Superman, it would literally take zero to no effort to KO Clark.

He could have taken BA's head off or at least knocked him out.

Yet he's NEVER done this.

So, he's not 4x stronger.
Fail. Superman and Black Adam have uber DURABILITY.

Never tried.



With a magical wall to hit, maybe Drax could.

The wall thing has as much to do with SBP's speed as well as strength.



And that durability is tested and beaten by characters on their level.

4x stronger?

Supes be unconcious in one hit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Never tried.



With a magical wall to hit, maybe Drax could.

The wall thing has as much to do with SBP's speed as well as strength.



And that durability is tested and beaten by characters on their level.

4x stronger?

Supes be unconcious in one hit.

So Is Superman 4 times stronger than Thor since you know, he knocked him out?

Nope.

But he didn't knock him out in one hit.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Nope.

But he didn't knock him out in one hit.
Depends on how you look at it. Superman usually takes a measure of a foe. And he doesn't know if he's going to kill them with one hit either. And you have to hit someone in their head to knock them out.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Nope.

But he didn't knock him out in one hit.

All knock outs occur in 1 hit when you think about it

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
All knock outs occur in 1 hit when you think about it

This is true. 313

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Never tried.

So if I say that sbp never tried then it would be wrong, but if you say that kurse never tried its right? Wow, amazing logic.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
With a magical wall to hit, maybe Drax could.

The wall thing has as much to do with SBP's speed as well as strength.

Nothing implied that the wall was magic. Also, to even imply that drax could do that would require hiom to have punched through a dimension
like the phantom zone. Which he hasn't.

And how is retconning a franchise a speed feat? He was standing still.



Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And that durability is tested and beaten by characters on their level.

4x stronger?

Supes be unconcious in one hit.

Then why wasn't thor down in one hit?

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, I love how everyone is latching onto a feat for SMP in which he was depowered.

GREAT way to look at how strong he truly is.

What's the issue here?

Sirius and Nvr iirc, both said SBP handled the KryptoKlan while depowered.

I merely came in and said, not true, the kryptoklan had his ass dead to rights, sitting on the ground, crying, while he'd admittedly been significantly depowered.

They lied, i refuted and told the truth.

What's the issue, i repeat?

And i ask you this question..

Do you feel Superman Prime is 4 times stronger than the top tier?

Cuz that's how strong Kurse was in this scenario.

I named the depowered feat because it was impressive.

I didn't see the need to name any others.

Originally posted by batdude123
Or how he's about to pwn Ion Yat in December?

Seriously, if people just look at his appearances, they'll realize how impressive he is.

Corps 18 - where the Yat/Prime fight is supposed to take place - will be out November 28th.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I named the depowered feat because it was impressive.

I didn't see the need to name any others.

What's impressive about getting beaten up and sitting on the ground crying?

Because when it comes to crying, SBP is a true cosmic.

NO ONE can cry like him.

Kurse at his 4x-Thor levels would put SMP through the floor.

Originally posted by UniOmni
What's impressive about getting beaten up and sitting on the ground crying?
Heat visioning right through superman while being severelly depowered isnt a feat now?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Heat visioning right through superman while being severelly depowered isnt a feat now?

No, that is a feat.

But it was referenced as a lie in this thread.

Superman Prime supporters said he handled the kryptonian trio.

He did no such thing.

He was handled while somewhat depowered, sat down, crying and whining, and then snuck a eyebeam attack through Supermans shoulder.

His best feat that day was actually beaming through the really durable superman.

Too bad he did it while his cheeks were stained.

*****

Originally posted by UniOmni
What's the issue here?

Sirius and Nvr iirc, both said SBP handled the KryptoKlan while depowered.

I merely came in and said, not true, the kryptoklan had his ass dead to rights, sitting on the ground, crying, while he'd admittedly been significantly depowered.

They lied, i refuted and told the truth.

What's the issue, i repeat?

And i ask you this question..

Do you feel Superman Prime is 4 times stronger than the top tier?

Cuz that's how strong Kurse was in this scenario.
SBP while depowered and emotionally unstable managed to fight three kryptonians. Where is the lie? ****ers are so quick to throw lie around. As if anyone here pays anyone. As if anyone here is ****ing anyone. No one here is anyone's boss. No one here is anyone's spouse, bf, gf, lover, ect. So who in the FUC K is important enough on this board for any of us to lie to? not a damned person. No one here is that important. And if anyone thinks they are that important that they have to be lied to about a comic book, then you should check yourself. You obviously are a retard. People having different interpretations or debating off of memory is not lying. If they make a mistake, so what. It's not lying. Just bad recollection. And since a lot of us aren't lame enough to sit around with 50 trillion scans off top of our heads, I certainly dont' hold it against anyone who remembers and event a lil differently. As a matter of fact many of done so. Should we call them liars? Geez. Retarded lames calling someone a liar over a Goddamned comic book character when you aren't even important enough to clean my shoes.

Man you're angry tonight.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Man you're angry tonight.

I hate everyone. Especially the retarded trinity of evil and the elitist. And some of those God damned SHC posters. Can kiss my grits.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I hate everyone. Especially the retarded trinity of evil and the elitist. And some of those God damned SHC posters. Can kiss my grits.

You dont hate me

Originally posted by Sirius77
rEAD SC. He fought superman, supergirl and powergirl at their best while weakened. Then the sun came up and he pwned them all.

(While already mentioned by UniOmni I don't feel like deleting it)

No, he didn't. They had just finished fighting Hank Henshaw. They may've still been in fighting form but they were just fighting someone who is normally Superman's equal.

While weakened he was going down to that team-up though.

I think that after SMP's behaviour in IC, and so far that issue, for Superman to stop fighting and go into the 'lets sitdown and talk about your feelings' mode after warning PG off of castrating SMP was the height of CIS.

Plus why is it with the supposed general 're-powering' of Superman he never seems to stand out from the crowd in some of these fights? BA and Captain Marvel *were* nearly Superman's physical equals quite a while ago. With the power-ups that Superman has gotten over the years BA/CM/WW/MM should only be approximations.

I though PG was E2 Superman's cousin, making her a Kryptonian?

Besides, isn't Kurse virtually invulnerable to everything with the exception of iron. So at least his arm wouldn't snap. This is still about arm wrestling right?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I hate everyone. Especially the retarded trinity of evil and the elitist. And some of those God damned SHC posters. Can kiss my grits.

Originally posted by Val
Is there any proof that Teth wasn't knocked out by that hit? IIRC he was shown in the next issue doing whatever but not immediately after.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/IC60022.jpg

SBP can rip apart the source wall now, reach into the 5th dimension and rip Mxy from it. Kurse has no chance, I'm sorry.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctdwn23final1fk1.jpg
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Originally posted by Kutulu
SBP can rip apart the source wall now, reach into the 5th dimension and rip Mxy from it. Kurse has no chance, I'm sorry.
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http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctdwn23final5la5.jpg How would Hulk do?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Man you're angry tonight.

Was that you who said SBP never knocked out any of the top tiers? Wrong. He knocked out Wonder Woman, wonder Girl, Red tornado, who happens to have amazo's body, and Starfire, and hourman in one fell swoop. just before Robin Sicks krypto on him. I Think obsidian is lying there on the ground as well.

Do we have anything to compare that with? Who has FAILED to rip apart this new Source Wall?

No one?

Okay then.

And grabbing Mxy is the dumbest shit this side of Sentry holding a Cosmic Cube and its energies.

You people always ***** about PIS this, CIS that, SvFL your mom.

Considering what Mxy has done at will with ease, SBP grabbing Mxy is all those things + just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Bransolute
How would Hulk do?

Against SBP? IF SBP is at his PC levels like it looks DC is trying to show, then he would win easily.

Kurse's 4 times Thor? Then why the hell doesn't he knock Thor out in a punch all the time? Gotta love this logic. It's strawman esque.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
With a magical wall to hit, maybe Drax could.



Idiot.

Originally posted by UniOmni
What's impressive about getting beaten up and sitting on the ground crying?

You act like thats all that he did. Didn't you read the whole comic?
He held his own while severely depowered against three kryptonians.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You act like thats all that he did. Didn't you read the whole comic?
He held his own while severely depowered against three kryptonians.

These blinders again.

He was double punched by 1.5 kryptonians, and then threatened with castration by 0.5 Kryptonians, and then he sat there and cried about woe is me.

He then snuck beamed Supermans shoulder, hit the air, and was repowered.

Where is the holding his own panel in the comic?

Originally posted by UniOmni
These blinders again.

He was double punched by 1.5 kryptonians, and then threatened with castration by 0.5 Kryptonians, and then he sat there and cried about woe is me.

He then snuck beamed Supermans shoulder, hit the air, and was repowered.

Where is the holding his own panel in the comic?

The part where he is able to a dogpile of top-tiers hitting him at once, and before that, when he's able to actually say his little monologue after getting speedblitzed by three kryptonians after being drastically weakened.

Also, I don't see how you can't see that superboy-prime is over four times stronger than superman. On that fact alone I find it pointless to debate with you. You're dense and dislike me to begin with, so I'll have to accept that everything that I say, you will always find some type of rebuttal, no matter how ridiculous... the fact that you believe that superboy-prime is not four times stronger than superman is proof of that. So, that is why I feel that it is pointless to talk to you about this any longer.