Odin vs. The Entire DC greek Pantheon

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nvrbeenwthagirl
SO how does the "most powerful" skyfather do against an entire pantheon of skyfather lvl beings?

Keep in mind the greek pantheon also have a portion of the Godwave that they can call upon at anytime.

quanchi112
laughing laughing laughing

Thus begins nvers quest to say that Ds is above Odin and it will fail.

Galan007
I like Norse mythology better than Greek mythology...

Odin wins. happy

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
laughing laughing laughing

Thus begins nvers quest to say that Ds is above Odin and it will fail.
And yet quan cannot answer this question. You do have some sense after all.

fatgogeta
Spite thread. (please close).

The Great Galen
Odin isnt DS, he loses pretty bad...indeed this is spite.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by fatgogeta
Spite thread. (please close).

Well Granny beat The Greek pantheon.

DS>>>Granny

And yet the forum thinks

Odin>>DS.

So it isn't spite is it? roll eyes (sarcastic)

fatgogeta
That whole amazons attack storyline was utter garbage and should not be discussed anywhere that has electricity. New Gods are uber and all, but Granny Goodness has no business taking out a dozen skyfathers.

Val
Odin

Mr.Biscuits
WW Solos...

Soljer
Originally posted by Val
Odin

Kutulu
Odin.

King Kandy
Odin can take this easily.

guy222
Odin

King Kandy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well Granny beat The Greek pantheon.

DS>>>Granny

And yet the forum thinks

Odin>>DS.

So it isn't spite is it? roll eyes (sarcastic)
So basicaly, you're trying to claim that Granny Goodness>Odin?

Larceny
Odin

The Great Galen
Odin?.....how the hell can anyone honestly think that. Geez is everyone so far up odins ass that they would claim something so ignorant. Odin loses...c'mon guys dont be fanboys about this.

Kutulu
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Odin?.....how the hell can anyone honestly think that. Geez is everyone so far up odins ass that they would claim something so ignorant. Odin loses...c'mon guys dont be fanboys about this.

Marvel Odin has literally destroyed galaxies, teleported planets from one part of the universe to another, and mind raped everybody on a planet at once with ease. He isn't a mere powerful superbeing like DC's Odin.

Kutulu
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Odin?.....how the hell can anyone honestly think that. Geez is everyone so far up odins ass that they would claim something so ignorant. Odin loses...c'mon guys dont be fanboys about this.

Galaxies were destroyed in his fight with Infinity:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor185186vg.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8383/thor185172ya.jpg

In the following scan he dwarfs planets:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186027ur.jpg

It shows here Infinity (which was merely a facet of Odin) crushing an entire solar system with his hand:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186084fd.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186100eo.jpg

Another scan of Odin as infinity so huge that his hand dwarfs the entire sun of a solar system:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor188085ga.jpg

Here he transports the entire planet Earth's populace to another dimension at the same time:
http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery104038pl.jpg

When has anybody in the DC Greek Pantheon displayed feats such as these, or even close to it?

SwindlingSmurph
Martian Manhunter wipes the floor with all of them.

Then Jimmy Olsen comes in and beats them down.

They're not that big. I'd put the pantheon right above Wonder Woman, who'd get slapped back to the kitchen.

Kutulu
Odin showing Thor a mere glimpse of the Odinpower:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5411/odingalaxy1bp1.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2848/odingalaxy2md5.jpg

Notice how Odin casually makes Thor literally as large as a whole solar system.

Sirius77
I doubt that Odin would clear aries with the gw. That was enough to destroy the universe.

quanchi112
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Odin?.....how the hell can anyone honestly think that. Geez is everyone so far up odins ass that they would claim something so ignorant. Odin loses...c'mon guys dont be fanboys about this. This thread fails and so do you here. People mock kmc and its becuz of Ds fanboys who give it a bad name like with this shit.

A few bad apples make the whole place look rotten. Come on this is easy Odin wins and with ease. The intelligent posters can agree with this.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread fails and so do you here. People mock kmc and its becuz of Ds fanboys who give it a bad name like with this shit.

A few bad apples make the whole place look rotten. Come on this is easy Odin wins and with ease. The intelligent posters can agree with this. Dumbest statement ever. Now just how in the hell would Odin beat the Entire greek Pantheon? He can't even beat Ares. And Ares and his fellow skyfathers can call upon the godwave anytime they wish. And They can control it much better than Diana.

Ouallada
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO how does the "most powerful" skyfather do against an entire pantheon of skyfather lvl beings?

Keep in mind the greek pantheon also have a portion of the Godwave that they can call upon at anytime.











http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/twol84/cunning20plan.jpg

stick out tongue

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ouallada
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/twol84/cunning20plan.jpg

stick out tongue

yeah i did. I know the DS hate here. I know the Odin cock juggling that goes on. The point was still proven. People would give odin the win if he fought the presence.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yeah i did. I know the DS hate here. I know the Odin cock juggling that goes on. The point was still proven. People would give odin the win if he fought the presence. Because people know he beats Darkseid?
Ya... that's a good reason to call everyone Odin cock jugglers... roll eyes (sarcastic)

That's like calling people a Superman fanboy for saying he beats Hyperion.

Ouallada
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yeah i did. I know the DS hate here. I know the Odin cock juggling that goes on. The point was still proven. People would give odin the win if he fought the presence.

I'm not touching this topic with a ten foot pole. However, you must see that:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yeah i did. I know the Odin hate here. I know the DS cock juggling that goes on. The point was still proven. People would give DS the win if he fought TOAA.

is probably what people are thinking of you too. It wasn't meant to be an insult as quanchi is pretty much the same, but onlookers see most of the game. And this is what I see.

tjcoady
Ah, yes. It's a good thing we had that complete play by play battle that clearly outlined how Granny Goodness beat the Gods of Olympus under her on power, all at once. Otherwise, we'd be left to suspect that maybe she did it with trickery, tech, or a great deal of help. Or maybe that someone else did it entirely. Thanks, DC, for providing us with "Granny Goodness Versus All of Olympus at Once #1"

Priest
Originally posted by Galan007
Odin wins. happy
Originally posted by Val
Odin
Originally posted by Kutulu
Odin.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Odin can take this easily.
Originally posted by guy222
Odin
Originally posted by Larceny
Odin
Odin ftw

SuppMan
i go for DC because they're obviously the underdog here.. in comics you'll often see this theme of the underdog prevailing.. so the more people who see odin as winning, the greater the chance DC will PREVAIL!! (but sure, odin seems to have an upperhand)

Kutulu
Originally posted by SuppMan
i go for DC because they're obviously the underdog here.. in comics you'll often see this theme of the underdog prevailing.. so the more people who see odin as winning, the greater the chance DC will PREVAIL!! (but sure, odin seems to have an upperhand)

Well at least you got the courage to admit you're a biased DC fanboy, I'll give props for that.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
Well at least you got the courage to admit you're a biased DC fanboy, I'll give props for that.

Says the guy who gives Every marvel character the win even in extreme cases, like one skyfather against a whole panetheon of skyfather's. Greeks>>> Asgardians. Hell even they are truly immortal and Odin even isn't.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Says the guy who gives Every marvel character the win even in extreme cases, like one skyfather against a whole panetheon of skyfather's. Greeks>>> Asgardians. Hell even they are truly immortal and Odin even isn't.

How can you have a whole pantheon of skyfathers? By very definition skyfather is the top dog of his pantheon.

King Kandy
Originally posted by King Kandy
So basicaly, you're trying to claim that Granny Goodness>Odin?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
How can you have a whole pantheon of skyfathers? By very definition skyfather is the top dog of his pantheon.

Um no. Thanos has no pantheon, and he is in my eyes, Skyfather lvl in power. Besides, the greek gods, shit on the asgardians. They do what ever they want. Even mercury, a lowly messanger would beat the shit out of every asgardian one on one besides Odin.

King Kandy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Thanos has no pantheon, and he is in my eyes, Skyfather lvl in power.
Thanos made a pantheon for himself in celestial quest.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos made a pantheon for himself in celestial quest.

But he was that powerful before he made them. And after they were no more, he was yet and still that powerful or more so. I don't know the story, but I'm assuming he was and is still the same.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Thanos has no pantheon, and he is in my eyes, Skyfather lvl in power. Besides, the greek gods, shit on the asgardians. They do what ever they want. Even mercury, a lowly messanger would beat the shit out of every asgardian one on one besides Odin.

ROFL so you just basically said that any single one of the DC Greek pantheon could beat the shit out of Thor. laughing

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
ROFL so you just basically said that any single one of the DC Greek pantheon could beat the shit out of Thor. laughing

Basically yeah. I can't see thor beating any of them. He couldn't even put a dent in them. If he could touch them. Since they can literally be anywhere they want, matter manip, ect.

Newjak
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Basically yeah. I can't see thor beating any of them. He couldn't even put a dent in them. If he could touch them. Since they can literally be anywhere they want, matter manip, ect. Would you say Superman could beat some of them?

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Basically yeah. I can't see thor beating any of them. He couldn't even put a dent in them. If he could touch them. Since they can literally be anywhere they want, matter manip, ect.
xomfg

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Newjak
Would you say Superman could beat some of them?

Hell no. They would beat the holy shit out of him.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hell no. They would beat the holy shit out of him.

Man you really are more bitter than I had thought over Superman beating Darkseid.
haermm2

Newjak
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hell no. They would beat the holy shit out of him. Yet Superman can beat Darksied who can beat up on the Greek Pantheon

Interesting smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
Man you really are more bitter than I had thought over Superman beating Darkseid.
haermm2

That is just dumb. Superman just can't beat any of the greek Pantheon. they are all more than herald lvl. you obviously don't read wonder woman. They can honor any request she ask of them at any time. WW is lower than the lowest of the low Greek Gods. And she would give Superman or thor a run for thier money. Please dont' be an *******. TDOTNG isn't even started well yet, and grant morrison already has uber plans for DS. So dont' get it twisted, I already know what the future of DS is. I'm not bitter about anything. Now I'd be bitter about some real life shit. But never about a comic. You should take lessons. It would be a real shame if you actually were into this as much as you appear to be. That would just be lame. No, you would be a lame.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Newjak
Yet Superman can beat Darksied who can beat up on the Greek Pantheon

Interesting smile

makes no sense. It very obvious that the time line is off. Besides the fact that the new Gods can travel in time, Granny could have well gotten her power up and then went back to the amazon's attack. In any case, it's editorial inconsistancies. besides, Superman didn't beat up any uber DS. As a matter of fact, he didn't do any more damange than batman did. Now what does that tell you?

Newjak
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
makes no sense. It very obvious that the time line is off. Besides the fact that the new Gods can travel in time, Granny could have well gotten her power up and then went back to the amazon's attack. In any case, it's editorial inconsistancies. besides, Superman didn't beat up any uber DS. As a matter of fact, he didn't do any more damange than batman did. Now what does that tell you? That the Greeks aren't that powerful stick out tongue

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Newjak
That the Greeks aren't that powerful stick out tongue

And yet in every appearance they have had, they do what ever they want, bestow diana with what ever her needs are at the moment, and even can call upon the godwave when ever they chose. People would rather put down all of those feats becuz it makes DS look good instead of just giving him credit. It is pretty much the same when Hulk does something uber, or any character that isn't a KMC all time favorite.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
makes no sense. It very obvious that the time line is off. Besides the fact that the new Gods can travel in time, Granny could have well gotten her power up and then went back to the amazon's attack. In any case, it's editorial inconsistancies. besides, Superman didn't beat up any uber DS. As a matter of fact, he didn't do any more damange than batman did. Now what does that tell you?

So now you're saying that Superman didn't do any more damage to Darkseid than Batman did? You do realize you're digging yourself even deeper with that...right?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
So now you're saying that Superman didn't do any more damage to Darkseid than Batman did? You do realize you're digging yourself even deeper with that...right?

Um no. He didn't. batkick, blood comes out of DS mouth. Superman's speed blitz and three punches, blood comes out of DS mouth. You fail.

Kutulu
So Nvr, since this greek pantheon is so strong as you claim it is, please show us some scans of one of their members busting up a planet, or destroying a galaxy, or anything to back up your points.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you can show me a scan of any member of the DC Greek pantheon busting up a galaxy like Odin did, I will rescind my statement that Odin > DC's Greek pantheon.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
So Nvr, since this greek pantheon is so strong as you claim it is, please show us some scans of one of their members busting up a planet, or destroying a galaxy, or anything to back up your points.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you can show me a scan of any member of the DC Greek pantheon busting up a galaxy like Odin did, I will rescind my statement that Odin > DC's Greek pantheon.
I dont' remember Odin ever busting up a galaxy. you post him busting up a galaxy . But I'll give you a clue to the Greek pantheon's power.

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Read the description of thier power. And if I remember correctly, this was before they merged back to full power with thier other halves. the romans.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' remember Odin ever busting up a galaxy. you post him busting up a galaxy . But I'll give you a clue to the Greek pantheon's power.

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Read the description of thier power. And if I remember correctly, this was before they merged back to full power with thier other halves. the romans.

I posted it earlier in the thread:
Originally posted by Kutulu
Galaxies were destroyed in his fight with Infinity:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor185186vg.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8383/thor185172ya.jpg

In the following scan he dwarfs planets:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186027ur.jpg

It shows here Infinity (which was merely a facet of Odin) crushing an entire solar system with his hand:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186084fd.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor186100eo.jpg

Another scan of Odin as infinity so huge that his hand dwarfs the entire sun of a solar system:
http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor188085ga.jpg

Here he transports the entire planet Earth's populace to another dimension at the same time:
http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery104038pl.jpg

When has anybody in the DC Greek Pantheon displayed feats such as these, or even close to it?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Odin showing Thor a mere glimpse of the Odinpower:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5411/odingalaxy1bp1.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2848/odingalaxy2md5.jpg

Notice how Odin casually makes Thor literally as large as a whole solar system.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' remember Odin ever busting up a galaxy. you post him busting up a galaxy . But I'll give you a clue to the Greek pantheon's power.

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Read the description of thier power. And if I remember correctly, this was before they merged back to full power with thier other halves. the romans.

Ok I read through your scans, all I see is a mountain blowing up.

Show me galaxies blowing up.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
I posted it earlier in the thread:

I can't say that those really just OMG wow me. Odin's fight with infinity, So both of them unleash power. And I seem to remember a retcon of some kind involving Odin's dark half and infinity. I'll have to research it later. As for greeks changing size, Ares Did that and become as big as a freaking galaxy or bigger when he had the Godwave. Which as you know, they do control.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok I read through your scans, all I see is a mountain blowing up.

Show me galaxies blowing up.

A mountain? You mean OLYMPUS, previously unable to be destroyed by anything. The power that it took to destroy it is right on panel.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A mountain? You mean OLYMPUS, previously unable to be destroyed by anything. The power that it took to destroy it is right on panel.

It is a mere mountain. It may be tough, but it's only a mystical mountain, so the feat means little compared with Odin's feats. I want you to show me on-panel where they are destroying galaxies or a feat on par with that.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
It is a mere mountain. It may be tough, but it's only a mystical mountain, so the feat means little compared with Odin's feats. I want you to show me on-panel where they are destroying galaxies or a feat on par with that.
I tell you what, show me Eternity destroying a galaxy on panel. Or show me Galactus Destroying a galaxy on Panel. The hyperbole feat means shit. There is that dumb Logic, and I have no idea where it comes from. Becuz Someone doesn't do a feat they aren't capable of it. ANd why in the hell would they want to? Seems retarded to just go around destroying life. And I do remember that there was a retcon involving odin. And there was a retcon of some sorts involving odin.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I tell you what, show me Eternity destroying a galaxy on panel. Or show me Galactus Destroying a galaxy on Panel. The hyperbole feat means shit. There is that dumb Logic, and I have no idea where it comes from. Becuz Someone doesn't do a feat they aren't capable of it. ANd why in the hell would they want to? Seems retarded to just go around destroying life. And I do remember that there was a retcon involving odin. And there was a retcon of some sorts involving odin.

I already showed you scans of Odin destroying a galaxy on-panel and snuffing out solar systems like candles. You have yet to back up your statements of the entire Greek pantheon being skyfathers in power level.

Why are you bringing Eternity and Galactus into this discussion? Last I checked we were talking about Odin versus your every-one-is-a-skyfather DC Greek pantheon. I backed up my statements, now you back up yours. Show me the scans and I will rescind my statement of Marvel Odin > entire DC Greek Pantheon.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
I already showed you scans of Odin destroying a galaxy on-panel and snuffing out solar systems like candles. You have yet to back up your statements of the entire Greek pantheon being skyfathers in power level.

Why are you bringing Eternity and Galactus into this discussion? Last I checked we were talking about Odin versus your every-one-is-a-skyfather DC Greek pantheon. I backed up my statements, now you back up yours. Show me the scans and I will rescind my statement of Marvel Odin > entire DC Greek Pantheon.

Actually if you were smart, you'd realize that just becuz someone hasn't done something on panel, doesn't mean they can't. The scan clearly says that the greek pantheon's blast was infinity multiplied. As I also said, I know there was a retcon of a bunch of Odin feats. So I'm not really going for some of those. But it's really simple, DC odin was able to create a reality to throw Surtur in. DC Odin is there abouts a peer of Highfather and Zeus. And I'm sure if I really bothered I could really show thier true power. But since you are an obvious marvel fan boy who thinks Odin has a chance in hell against an entire pantheon and you think Thor could actually hurt any of the greek pantheon, i'd rather just let you look as you do.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually if you were smart, you'd realize that just becuz someone hasn't done something on panel, doesn't mean they can't. The scan clearly says that the greek pantheon's blast was infinity multiplied. As I also said, I know there was a retcon of a bunch of Odin feats. So I'm not really going for some of those. But it's really simple, DC odin was able to create a reality to throw Surtur in. DC Odin is there abouts a peer of Highfather and Zeus. And I'm sure if I really bothered I could really show thier true power. But since you are an obvious marvel fan boy who thinks Odin has a chance in hell against an entire pantheon and you think Thor could actually hurt any of the greek pantheon, i'd rather just let you look as you do.

I already said I gave you the benefit of the doubt here. Prove me wrong with some scans and I will rescind my statement. Make a case for yourself and I am willing to listen.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
I already said I gave you the benefit of the doubt here. Prove me wrong with some scans and I will rescind my statement. Make a case for yourself and I am willing to listen.
Dude, I dont' need to make a case. Ares could give odin a fight on his own. YOu are actually trying to say that Odin can beat the greek pantheon. You fail on so many levels. And trying to use a galaxy busting feat. Ares can bust the entire universe with his piece of the Godwave should he wish.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dude, I dont' need to make a case. Ares could give odin a fight on his own. YOu are actually trying to say that Odin can beat the greek pantheon. You fail on so many levels. And trying to use a galaxy busting feat. Ares can bust the entire universe with his piece of the Godwave should he wish.

Ok so let me get this straight, I will attempt to sum up what you have said so far, since you fail to backup what you say with scans or the like.

* Ares can bust up the entire universe any time he wants and can grow bigger than a galaxy.
* Zeus can create universes with a mere thought
* Any of the DC Greek pantheon can beat any of the Marvel Asgardian pantheon, including Thor.
* Each member of the DC Greek pantheon is skyfather level at lowest level.
* Granny Goodness is above the entire DC Greek pantheon.
* Darkseid is above Granny Goodness and granted her the power to own the pantheon, and Darkseid is so far above Granny Goodness that she looks pathetic in comparison.
* The DC Greek pantheon can use blasts that are "infinity multiplied", yet these "infinity multiplied" blasts only blow up a mountain, which is indestructable.
* Any single member of the DC Greek pantheon can easily destroy Superman.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok so let me get this straight, I will attempt to sum up what you have said so far, since you fail to backup what you say with scans or the like.

* Ares can bust up the entire universe any time he wants and can grow bigger than a galaxy.
* Zeus can create universes with a mere thought
* Any of the DC Greek pantheon can beat any of the Marvel Asgardian pantheon, including Thor.
* Each member of the DC Greek pantheon is skyfather level at lowest level.
* Granny Goodness is above the entire DC Greek pantheon.
* Darkseid is above Granny Goodness and granted her the power to own the pantheon, and Darkseid is so far above Granny Goodness that she looks pathetic in comparison.
* The DC Greek pantheon can use blasts that are "infinity multiplied", yet these "infinity multiplied" blasts only blow up a mountain, which is indestructable.
* Any single member of the DC Greek pantheon can easily destroy Superman.

YOur words, not mine. Use what I say, not your rendition of them. at any rate, nothing said can be refuted for it is all true. You obviously aren't a DC fan or don't buy much of it.

Kutulu
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOur words, not mine. Use what I say, not your rendition of them. at any rate, nothing said can be refuted for it is all true. You obviously aren't a DC fan or don't buy much of it.

So you are giving up trying to actually back up your statements with any kind of proof whatsoever, and since I don't believe *YOU* that makes me a non-DC fan (despite the fact that I've been reading the New Gods since way back in the day), but obviously I'm not a DC fan because I disagree with what *YOU* say despite not offering proof to back up your words. Hmm... interesting defense you have there.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOur words, not mine. Use what I say, not your rendition of them. at any rate, nothing said can be refuted for it is all true. You obviously aren't a DC fan or don't buy much of it. It is also true that Ds ran from Superman and just prior Batman made his ass bleed after he was fully powered.

Ds is afraid of Superman and rightfully so I mean Batman can make him bleed.

Kutulu
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is also true that Ds ran from Superman and just prior Batman made his ass bleed after he was fully powered.

Ds is afraid of Superman and rightfully so I mean Batman can make him bleed.

It's funny how Darkseid owns characters who can own an entire pantheon of universe busting skyfathers, yet gets a nosebleed from Batman and gets his ass kicked by Superman. laughing

quanchi112
Originally posted by Kutulu
It's funny how Darkseid owns characters who can own an entire pantheon of universe busting skyfathers, yet gets a nosebleed from Batman and gets his ass kicked by Superman. laughing laughing laughing out loud

Dc really doesnt know what they are doing. It doesnt seem like they are on the same page at all.

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually if you were smart, you'd realize that just becuz someone hasn't done something on panel, doesn't mean they can't. The scan clearly says that the greek pantheon's blast was infinity multiplied.
U complaining that Odin's feats are Hyperbole even when they are clearly depicted on panned with narration and penciling, and defend your argument with that hyperbole garbage of "infinity multiplied" shit. roll eyes (sarcastic)

quanchi112
Its also funny how Superman makes Ds flee from the scene while Orion stands his ground and actually fights back.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
U complaining that Odin's feats are Hyperbole even when they are clearly depicted on panned with narration and penciling, and defend your argument with that hyperbole garbage of "infinity multiplied" shit. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Um, Infinity hyperbole shit? WHen Zeus is part of the Cosmic guardians of all called the quintessence? Yeah, RIGHT!!!

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. He didn't. batkick, blood comes out of DS mouth. Superman's speed blitz and three punches, blood comes out of DS mouth. You fail.

Someone throws a rock at me. I bleed.

Someone shoots me. I bleed.

Same thing right?

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, Infinity hyperbole shit? WHen Zeus is part of the Cosmic guardians of all called the quintessence? Yeah, RIGHT!!!
More hyperbole to back up ur hyperbole. good shit laughing out loud

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
Someone throws a rock at me. I bleed.

Someone shoots me. I bleed.

Same thing right?

NO. Not when the person who throws the rock is a 5 year old kid compared to a rocket launcher. You fail.

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Not when the person who throws the rock is a 5 year old kid compared to a rocket launcher. You fail.

What?

Larceny
I guess this is the usual thread involving Nvr. He lies, gets asked for proof, and then gets owned.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
More hyperbole to back up ur hyperbole. good shit laughing out loud
Well, Seeing as how the power destroyed the previously Indestructible olympus, even by the titans attacks, it's obvious it wasn't hyperbole. The greek gods have always been above any herald lvler. I'll have to go thru my WW issues and Other DC comics. I'll find scans on the net as well. Of course, it doesn't matter, you are a very strong marvel supporter. So i'm sure you'll figure out a way to see past what ever I post. As I see past Odin's galaxy busting feats with some retcon that I remember and him getting ****ed by an earth quake.

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well, Seeing as how the power destroyed the previously Indestructible olympus, even by the titans attacks, it's obvious it wasn't hyperbole. The greek gods have always been above any herald lvler. I'll have to go thru my WW issues and Other DC comics. I'll find scans on the net as well. Of course, it doesn't matter, you are a very strong marvel supporter. So i'm sure you'll figure out a way to see past what ever I post. As I see past Odin's galaxy busting feats with some retcon that I remember and him getting ****ed by an earth quake.

Just stop.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
I guess this is the usual thread involving Nvr. He lies, gets asked for proof, and then gets owned.

You haven't paid me one time this year, we haven't ****ed, we aren't freinds, nor are we family, you aren't god, or even an enemy. You aren't worth lying to. Remember that. YOu are worthless. And to think that you or anyone here is worth lying to just shows me what a pathetic life you really must have. I certainly dont' think anyone here lies for the sake of it.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
Just stop.

Get a life. Troll.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Larceny
I guess this is the usual thread involving Nvr. He lies, gets asked for proof, and then gets owned. I wish he would just chill out becuz Mr Master owned him badly the other day. He never gives any proof and just digs himself a hole over and over again. Then he insults those who choose to argue with him. Then he calls others atrolls even though they provide evidence while he prvoides none. He is the troll and he doesnt even know it.

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well, Seeing as how the power destroyed the previously Indestructible olympus, even by the titans attacks, it's obvious it wasn't hyperbole. The greek gods have always been above any herald lvler. I'll have to go thru my WW issues and Other DC comics. I'll find scans on the net as well. Of course, it doesn't matter, you are a very strong marvel supporter. So i'm sure you'll figure out a way to see past what ever I post. As I see past Odin's galaxy busting feats with some retcon that I remember and him getting ****ed by an earth quake.
Go ahead give me some proof if u like, u never do anyways.
I prefer Marvel, i will admit, but i do like DC. U can ask anyone on this forum about my credibility, I give props when it is due, even if i don't like the character when there is solid evidence.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
I wish he would just chill out becuz Mr Master owned him badly the other day. He never gives any proof and just digs himself a hole over and over again. Then he insults those who choose to argue with him. Then he calls others atrolls even though they provide evidence while he prvoides none. He is the troll and he doesnt even know it. actually you shoudl shut the hell up. YOu are a troll. master didnt' own shit becuz he didnt' even quote me correctly.

Priest
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Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Get a life. Troll.

Where's this troll stuff coming from? Hoping you could drag the attention away from yourself? Nope, we still realize your dumb as hell.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
Go ahead give me some proof if u like, u never do anyways.
I prefer Marvel, i will admit, but i do like DC. U can ask anyone on this forum about my credibility, I give props when it is due, even if i don't like them when there is solid evidence.
As I said, there are plenty of instances of the greek's power. Not much on the net in the way of scans. No greek respect threads out there. I may have to actually put effort into making one. SHIT. sad

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, there are plenty of instances of the greek's power. Not much on the net in the way of scans. No greek respect threads out there. I may have to actually put effort into making one. SHIT. sad

Good idea. Only one problem. You have no scans..... or issue numbers.... or anything that relates to actual proof. sad

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually you shoudl shut the hell up. YOu are a troll. master didnt' own shit becuz he didnt' even quote me correctly. So everyone else is a troll huh? Everyone saw it the other day. I dont have time for this. To be drawn into your games. Listen I dont hate you at all but just leanr from all this. Everyone can improve so take these lumps and read more. Come back better becuz of it. Dont always seem so eager to insult all those who disagree wit you becuz it hurts only your image.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
Where's this troll stuff coming from? Hoping you could drag the attention away from yourself? Nope, we still realize your dumb as hell.

No. YOu are a troll. always have been. ANd I dont' like you. Never have. But I dont' have to to almost respect your opinion ,if you weren't the biggest Asgardian Hugger in the universe.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
Good idea. Only one problem. You have no scans..... or issue numbers.... or anything that relates to actual proof. sad

Yeah. Plenty of stuff in WW, and other cross overs. I just gotta go thru it all. It's not like they are fanboy characters where everyone will jump on and hug thier nuts.

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. YOu are a troll. always have been. ANd I dont' like you. Never have. But I dont' have to to almost respect your opinion ,if you weren't the biggest Asgardian Hugger in the universe.

Yet your the one whom possess zero credit.....

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Larceny
Yet your the one whom possess zero credit.....

Blah blah blah. That old song was sang so many times. And yet I've been correct. Who needs credit when you have cash? roll eyes (sarcastic)

TricksterPriest
Odin created a pocket universe to trap Surtur.

Frankly. the mere fact that anyone is blindly giving Odin the win here is bullshit. thumb down

Larceny
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Blah blah blah. That old song was sang so many times. And yet I've been correct. Who needs credit when you have cash? roll eyes (sarcastic)

When have you ever been correct on anything? I honestly can't recall.

TricksterPriest
Odin traps Surtur in a pocket universe, where he stalemates the combined JSA, including Johnny Thunder's thunderbolt, a skyfather level entity.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pbd477189a2bb4c526e3f3b81f93d33e8/f913a49c.jpg

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I tell you what, show me Eternity destroying a galaxy on panel. Or show me Galactus Destroying a galaxy on Panel. Why would Eternity destroy part of himself?

And Galactus has destroyed a couple galaxies...

Bransolute
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Odin created a pocket universe to trap Surtur.

Frankly. the mere fact that anyone is blindly giving Odin the win here is bullshit. thumb down Greek... Greek... GREEK...

TricksterPriest
Whups. embarrasment Alright, my bad. But that was an example of one skyfather from DC not being weak. I've got more scans of the DC greeks.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,126963.0.html

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Why would Eternity destroy part of himself?

And Galactus has destroyed a couple galaxies...

Well eternity could do it in preservation of the whole. ANd I have no doubt he could destroy more if need be. The point is, you dont' always have to do rediculous shit for it to be within your wrealm. THat would be like saying Superman can't move a continent becuz he's never been showing moving one.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Whups. embarrasment Alright, my bad. But that was an example of one skyfather from DC not being weak. I've got more scans of the DC greeks.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,126963.0.html

Well to be honest, Highfather, merged other skyfathers into one being with his own power. Highfather and zeus both sit on the quintessence. Peers of each other.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well eternity could do it in preservation of the whole. ANd I have no doubt he could destroy more if need be. The point is, you dont' always have to do rediculous shit for it to be within your wrealm. THat would be like saying Superman can't move a continent becuz he's never been showing moving one. Why would Eternity destroy part of himself?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Why would Eternity destroy part of himself?

A galaxy is nothing to Eternity. Hell a universe is nothing to eternity. He even talked about it once. As if it was just an aspect of the bigger eterntiy.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A galaxy is nothing to Eternity. Hell a universe is nothing to eternity. He even talked about it once. As if it was just an aspect of the bigger eterntiy. Originally posted by Bransolute
Why would Eternity destroy part of himself?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute


As I said, you are missing the whole damned point. IT's not that eternity would, it's that he can. Do the DC cosmics go around destroying galaxies and such? Hell no, not with The spectre running lose to have your head they don't.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As I said, you are missing the whole damned point. IT's not that eternity would, it's that he can. Do the DC cosmics go around destroying galaxies and such? Hell no, not with The spectre running lose to have your head they don't. So, why would you bring up Eternity destroying a galaxy, if you know that he would never do such a thing?
It's not relevant to anything, and comparing it to others means nothing.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
So, why would you bring up Eternity destroying a galaxy, if you know that he would never do such a thing?
It's not relevant to anything, and comparing it to others means nothing.

IT was. He kept asking for scans of the greeks destroying a galaxy as if that was something that would some how validate thier power. As if being able to destroy a galaxy would even be able to dent them as well. That was the point.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT was. He kept asking for scans of the greeks destroying a galaxy as if that was something that would some how validate thier power. As if being able to destroy a galaxy would even be able to dent them as well. That was the point. However, a galaxy is part of Eternity... a galaxy isn't part of the Greeks.

Eternity not destroying a galaxy isn't relevant to anything the Greeks do.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
However, a galaxy is part of Eternity... a galaxy isn't part of the Greeks.

Eternity not destroying a galaxy isn't relevant to anything the Greeks do.

Odin doesn't have the wrath of God to think about either if he just kills innocent lives in a fight. You are screwing up the point, which is, just becuz someone hasn't shown it, doesn't mean they dont' have the ability. You arguing over why eternity would destroy a galaxy isn't even relevant to what I was saying. It's obvious you are just trying to find some reason to argue with me. Pick a better reason.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Odin doesn't have the wrath of God to think about either if he just kills innocent lives in a fight. You are screwing up the point, which is, just becuz someone hasn't shown it, doesn't mean they dont' have the ability. You arguing over why eternity would destroy a galaxy isn't even relevant to what I was saying. It's obvious you are just trying to find some reason to argue with me. Pick a better reason. He isnt out to get you just to help you I think.

smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isnt out to get you just to help you I think.

smile

Shut the up. You obviously don't know Bran.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Odin doesn't have the wrath of God to think about either if he just kills innocent lives in a fight. You are screwing up the point, which is, just becuz someone hasn't shown it, doesn't mean they dont' have the ability. You arguing over why eternity would destroy a galaxy isn't even relevant to what I was saying. It's obvious you are just trying to find some reason to argue with me. Pick a better reason. Oh... so Spectre shows up whenever someone is destroying something in DC? Really?

And a galaxy is part of Eternity...

Actually, it is, because Eternity wouldn't destroy part of himself in mass quantities.

No, I'm asking why you would bring up Eternity not blowing part of himself up, and comparing it to the Greeks.

It's a one sentence answer.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Shut the up. You obviously don't know Bran. You used to tell me I was bran. laughing

So I dont kno wmyself or have you changed your stance yet again like you do in most of these vs threads.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Oh... so Spectre shows up whenever someone is destroying something in DC? Really?

And a galaxy is part of Eternity...

Actually, it is, because Eternity wouldn't destroy part of himself in mass quantities.

No, I'm asking why you would bring up Eternity not blowing part of himself up, and comparing it to the Greeks.

It's a one sentence answer.

YOu missed the whole damned point. He said that the greeks werent' powerful becuz they hadn't destroyed a galaxy. And to which i responded with beings I'd never seen destroy a galaxy, that I knew for sure would beat Odin shit senseless. ANd yes Eternity would destroy a part of himself if it was called for. As a matter of fact, eternity is all, and knows all. He sees all time. So even when Odin "destroyed" galaxies, IT was eternity who allowed it to happen. For what ever reason.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
You used to tell me I was bran. laughing

So I dont kno wmyself or have you changed your stance yet again like you do in most of these vs threads.

I changed my mind. You aren't nearly smart enough to be Bran.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I changed my mind. You aren't nearly smart enough to be Bran. I find it amusing how afraid you are of bran.


But one thing is for sure you werent smart enough to figure out that I wasnt bran now were you.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
I find it amusing how afraid you are of bran.


But one thing is for sure you werent smart enough to figure out that I wasnt bran now were you.

Bran is tricky. He could be 5 posters here at one time. I dont' put it past him. What you fail to realize is, a smart man will know when someone else is better than them in certain areas and be watchful of them. You are nothing to watch in any area to me.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu missed the whole damned point. He said that the greeks werent' powerful becuz they hadn't destroyed a galaxy. And to which i responded with beings I'd never seen destroy a galaxy, that I knew for sure would beat Odin shit senseless. ANd yes Eternity would destroy a part of himself if it was called for. As a matter of fact, eternity is all, and knows all. He sees all time. So even when Odin "destroyed" galaxies, IT was eternity who allowed it to happen. For what ever reason. But a galaxy is part of himself. That's like asking why the Greeks haven't removed one of their toes.

I only remember Eternity blowing up Thanos's planet...

What the f*ck are you talking about? confused

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
But a galaxy is part of himself. That's like asking why the Greeks haven't removed one of their toes.

I only remember Eternity blowing up Thanos's planet...

What the f*ck are you talking about? confused

So, IF Thanos was about to destroy all of creation, and the only wy to stop him was to collapse a galaxy on top of him, you think eternity wouldn't do it? Eternity doesn't like THanos from what I remember.

quanchi112
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Bran is tricky. He could be 5 posters here at one time. I dont' put it past him. What you fail to realize is, a smart man will know when someone else is better than them in certain areas and be watchful of them. You are nothing to watch in any area to me. Oh nver you have no idea of how crafty I can be. You wouldnt know if I did something to you anyways becuz it would prolly blow right over your head.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So, IF Thanos was about to destroy all of creation, and the only to stop him was to collapse a galaxy on top of him, you think eternity wouldn't do it? Eternity doesn't like THanos from what I remember. Why would he have to destroy a galaxy, when Thanos is 6 ft tall?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh nver you have no idea of how crafty I can be. You wouldnt know if I did something to you anyways becuz it would prolly blow right over your head.

Animals can be crafty. I've already been on to you since you first came. I've called you out on your trolling, reverse flaming, ect. You are nothing to be afraid of. You and your buddies who seek to flame. If it makes you happy to be crafty, I'm glad you have some excitement in your life.

psycho gundam
this thread is a dead end

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Why would he have to destroy a galaxy, when Thanos is 6 ft tall?

Sigh. ANd THanos is like mroe than 6ft tall. At least he looks that way.

Val
Thanos is far more than 6ft tall. Bran clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and should be ignored on all issues. yes

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Sigh. ANd THanos is like mroe than 6ft tall. At least he looks that way. He's 6'10... which is irrelevant. Even if he's 10 feet tall, it make no difference.

Originally posted by Val
Thanos is far more than 6ft tall. Bran clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and should be ignored on all issues. yes Yup.

Val
Originally posted by Bransolute
He's 6'10... which is irrelevant. Even if he's 10 feet tall, it make no difference.

Yup.
It makes a huge difference. Maybe you should read what Nvr said and not assume what he said. Fail. You suck. Try again. Douche. LOL.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
He's 6'10... which is irrelevant. Even if he's 10 feet tall, it make no difference.

Yup.
THe point was if Thanos was in a galaxy, and Eternity had to destroy him by collapsing the galaxy on top of him, He could. IT is not beyond his wrealm of power just becuz he hasn't been shown doing so. Geez. You make thing so difficult. You ruined the whole point. OF course you meant to. So congrats, My opinion of you doesn't change.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Val
It makes a huge difference. Maybe you should read what Nvr said and not assume what he said. Fail. You suck. Try again. Douche. LOL.

NO. That would be you. And more shit that I won't say for fear of Wrathful's Wrath.

Val
Looks like I fail. And suck. And try again. And douche. And LOL.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Val
Looks like I fail. And suck. And try again. And douche. And LOL.

Should I expect any thing more from you than the regular? I don't expect a rat to do more than tear up shit, eat and shit. SO I guess somethings never change. You have been an ass to me since day one. For no reason. Why in the hell would I EvEr think you would change?

Val
hysterical

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe point was if Thanos was in a galaxy, and Eternity had to destroy him by collapsing the galaxy on top of him, He could. IT is not beyond his wrealm of power just becuz he hasn't been shown doing so. Geez. You make thing so difficult. You ruined the whole point. OF course you meant to. So congrats, My opinion of you doesn't change.
Or Eternity could attack him... like Eternity's been shown to do throughout his career. Like Juggernaut, Dormammu, Nightmare, Strange, Ancient One, Thanos (with HOTU), etc. smile

If Eternity's power can't affect him, then a galaxy would do shit. smile

And Eternity still wouldn't have to destroy a galaxy. smile

Thank you. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Or Eternity could attack him... like Eternity's been shown to do throughout his career. Like Juggernaut, Dormammu, Nightmare, Strange, Ancient One, Thanos (with HOTU), etc. smile

If Eternity's power can't affect him, then a galaxy would do shit. smile

And Eternity still wouldn't have to destroy a galaxy. smile

Thank you. smile

What does that have to do with the root of my statement which was just becuz Eternity hasn't been shown destroying a galaxy, doesn't mean he can't? Nothing. It's obvious you have nothing better to do than bother me with a sidetrack that has nothing to do with anything I said. Trying to create an argument where none exist. One where I"m not willing to enter and one where i"m pretty exausted with you and your ilk. You even fail to get a rise out of me. Now that is just pathetic when you can't even stir Nvr to anger. Means I'm pretty much tired of you guys.

Val
Bran fails again.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What does that have to do with the root of my statement which was just becuz Eternity hasn't been shown destroying a galaxy, doesn't mean he can't? Nothing. It's obvious you have nothing better to do than bother me with a sidetrack that has nothing to do with anything I said. Trying to create an argument where none exist. One where I"m not willing to enter and one where i"m pretty exausted with you and your ilk. You even fail to get a rise out of me. Now that is just pathetic when you can't even stir Nvr to anger. Means I'm pretty much tired of you guys. But the main point is, Eternity wouldn't destroy a galaxy.
And why would he?

Which means, your example fails. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
But the main point is, Eternity wouldn't destroy a galaxy.
And why would he?

Which means, your example fails. smile

No. The point wasn't that Eternity would destroy anything. If he never lifts a finger we know he can. A feat not done doesn't mean its out of the wrealm of character. THat was the point. The example is irrelevant in the greater context of the point.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. The point wasn't that Eternity would destroy anything. If he never lifts a finger we know he can. A feat not done doesn't mean its out of the wrealm of character. THat was the point. The example is irrelevant in the greater context of the point. But Eternity as an example for what you were trying to prove, is retarded. It's horrible logic.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
But Eternity as an example for what you were trying to prove, is retarded. It's horrible logic.

No. I only wanted to prove that one doesn't have to bust a galaxy for it to be with in thier power.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. I only wanted to prove that one doesn't have to bust a galaxy for it to be with in thier power. By using someone who has galaxies inside him, that make him up.
Which makes the galaxies a part of him.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
By using someone who has galaxies inside him, that make him up.
Which makes the galaxies a part of him.

He wasn't the only one I cited in my example. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't the only one I cited in my example. roll eyes (sarcastic) Oh ya... Galactus.

Who has destroyed galaxies. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Bransolute
Oh ya... Galactus.

Who has destroyed galaxies. smile

But I'd never seen it.

Bransolute
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But I'd never seen it. Good for you.

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