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No holding back for both.

Current version of SMP when hes about 19.

Who wins?

An empty earth starting of in New Jersey.

I feel SMP would win.

King Thor for the win.

Superboy-prime.

Im leaning towards Prime here. But im not 100 percent sure here I have to admit.

Superboy Prime

King Thor

superman prime is superboy prime who's now a man?
king thor is thor with the odin force?

superboy prime kicked the crap out of two supermen and now he's all grown up and a whole lota stronger

so here's the thing is king thor
1. =thor+odin or
2. just thor with a boost?

if he's thor+odin then king thor wins
if he's thor with a boost, then superman prime unless if the boosts he gets is above wm thor level, then king thor wins.



i

Odin>King Thor>WMThor

I do love both of these characters I have to admit. I have always loved Thor and liked Superboy Prime the moment I first wikied him months ago. It led me to read infinite crisis. Hes a very cool character.

SMP would take the win. King Thor wasn't that impressive. RKT would take the win over SMP though.

SMP wins. If he is highly resistant/immune to the effects of magic (didn't seem to have a problem with Mxy) then he can trash Thor.

King Thor mainly had a hard time fighting Desak, who had energy that allowed him to absorb near unlimited amounts of energy. Bad match.

No absorbing.

Originally posted by B.A
No absorbing.

He can't, that was my point.

dur

Then I donno WTF you mean. dur

That the only reason why KT had a poor showing against Desak was his mother****ing energy absorption abilities. Since SMP can't absorb energy to the same degree, KT will do better against him...

Magic won't hurt Prime......*****.estahuh

King Thor for the win

dented Cap's Shield and then fixed it

puts KT way above Prime

King Thor ftw

Prime.

If Prime's resistance to magic is being played up to the extent I've been hearing, then he'd likely take this if it came down to a strait up fight. Thor could probably win through indirect methods(such as BFR) but if Prime's pretty much immune to magic then it's going to severely limit Thor's options...

um, all he did was smile at some of Black Adam's punches that is the extent of his "magic immunity"

big difference between Adam's magical punches and magic that can dent Cap's Shiield ya know ?

Uh why is this still open?

Originally posted by darthgoober
If Prime's resistance to magic is being played up to the extent I've been hearing, then he'd likely take this if it came down to a strait up fight. Thor could probably win through indirect methods(such as BFR) but if Prime's pretty much immune to magic then it's going to severely limit Thor's options...

King Thor is not going to BFR Prime. Prime's basically immune to magic from what we've seen. King Thor would have to resort to physical force, and that's where he would lose this match.

Originally posted by 123KID
um, all he did was smile at some of Black Adam's punches that is the extent of his "magic immunity"

big difference between Adam's magical punches and magic that can dent Cap's Shiield ya know ?

He resisted Mxy...

KT dented the shield? Then in a brawl with the smashing etc the fight is on!!

Originally posted by Kutulu
He resisted Mxy... Mxys not magic.

yeah and Mxy wasn't trying to beat him or anyything so it's irrelevant



he'd take off Prime's head with physical force. KT is substantialy stronger than all of the people who have hurt Prime except maybe Bart /wSpeedforce

Originally posted by B.A
Mxys not magic.
Currently he is......haermm



Also he forced Zatanna to co-oparate with him and Zauriel's sword couldn't even phase him.

can you say powerup ?

as for combat showings, KT physically brawled and beat The Hulk didn't he
Prime ever outright physically bested a top tier
didn't think so........

Originally posted by 123KID
can you say powerup ?

as for combat showings, KT physically brawled and beat The Hulk didn't he
Prime ever outright physically bested a top tier
didn't think so........
So you compare Hulk to a Pc Kryptonian?haermm

Originally posted by 123KID
can you say powerup ?

as for combat showings, KT physically brawled and beat The Hulk didn't he
Prime ever outright physically bested a top tier
didn't think so........

Where you been? Prime has been flying from universe to universe, killing the alternate Superman, slaughtering whole teams of superheroes and blowing up planets when he was done.

featless Superman ?
like those featless GLs?
a complete non-feat ?

kays

Its not magic.

Mxy even says in the back of countdown.

I will get the scan.

SBP ever beat one ?
no ?
in fact his strength hasn't been enough to beat even current Kryptonians ?

and yeah, Hulk who thunderclaps universes away >>>>>> PC Kryps

Originally posted by 123KID
SBP ever beat one ?
no ?
in fact his strength hasn't been enough to beat even current Kryptonians ?

and yeah, Hulk who thunderclaps universes away >>>>>> PC Kryps
crylaugh
GTFO.

i will
because SMP never once brawled with and physically defeated a top tier
KT has

Thor is stronger

and a helluva lot more durable

Originally posted by 123KID
SBP ever beat one ?
no ?
in fact his strength hasn't been enough to beat even current Kryptonians ?

and yeah, Hulk who thunderclaps universes away >>>>>> PC Kryps

Profiled and in the funny comment thread.

Originally posted by 123KID
i will
because SMP never once brawled with and physically defeated a top tier
KT has

Thor is stronger

and a helluva lot more durable

WTF you smokin'? durpot

okay then
ball is in your court
find me one time Prime physically brawled with and knocked out a top tier
i'll be waiting.



call me when PC Superman can knock away a cosmos.

Originally posted by 123KID
okay then
ball is in your court
find me one time Prime physically brawled with and knocked out a top tier
i'll be waiting.



call me when PC Superman can knock away a cosmos.

I would but your probably to stupid to know how to answer the phone.

Originally posted by B.A


I would but your probably to stupid to know how to answer the phone.
haermm

Reported for Flaming

grow up and try to act like an adult

still waiting Kutulu for a time Prime physically brawled with and knocked out a top tier

Oh please. No one can take you serious with that comment.

I doubt even Guy is so biased.

Originally posted by 123KID
still waiting Kutulu for a time Prime physically brawled with and knocked out a top tier

Does Mxy count enough as a top tier?
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28920890cj1.jpg

Hulk would thunderclap away the 5th dimension....

Even Kutulo is owning in the debate against Hulk. You hit rock bottom.

kay show me one PC Superman feat that can match this

http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126b.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126c.jpg

Read his respect thread.

My god man. My god.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Does Mxy count enough as a top tier?
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28920890cj1.jpg

no since Mxy wasn't using his power on Prime

Mxy can blink someone like Prime out of existence if he wished to.

read it. PC Supes never destroyed a universe sorry

He sneezed and destroyed a solar system. Superman could do that if he wanted to. Easily.

Originally posted by 123KID
kay show me one PC Superman feat that can match this

http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126b.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126c.jpg
Can you comprehend the scans?

Originally posted by Estacado
Can you comprehend the scans? He can't comprehend his life let alone those scans.

feats > speculation



Hulk knocked back an attackt hat destroyed the Cosmos, yes

Reported you again for Flaming

are you like 4-year-old ?

Originally posted by 123KID
feats > speculation



Hulk knocked back an attackt hat destroyed the Cosmos, yes
He deflected an attack which destroyed that cosmos the feat has nothing to do with Hulk's power.

Originally posted by 123KID
kay show me one PC Superman feat that can match this

http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126b.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126c.jpg

PC Superman sneezing out a solar system in a long dead universe:
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pctr7.jpg

Casually flinging a neutron star billion light years away:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpg

Casually breaking the time barrier:
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc3kz3.jpg

did any of that destroy a universe ?

He never tried it. But when he accidentally done things that were just a tiny bit of his power and the things were close I day he can do it.

4? You sound like your 4 with Hulk winning.

I thought Hulk won once. I then turned 6.

it was a Thunderclap that overpowered and knocked away Night-Crawler's sound attack

it's not like deflecting bullets if Hulk's Thunderclap wasn't as strong or stronger how could it have knocked the sound attack away?

if you'll notice the entire debate stems back to Prime never defeating a top tier physically in a brawl. King Thor has

so, back on topic, that puts Thor above Prime

Originally posted by 123KID
it was a Thunderclap that overpowered and knocked away Night-Crawler's sound attack

it's not like deflecting bullets if Hulk's Thunderclap wasn't as strong or stronger how could it have knocked the sound attack away?
Still it wasn't the thunderclap that begin to destroy the dimension....

Originally posted by 123KID
still waiting Kutulu for a time Prime physically brawled with and knocked out a top tier

Dude he has wiped out whole alternate Earths, JLA included, after killing alternate versions of Superman.
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdown024pg19jb6.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdown024pg20fl9.jpg

Originally posted by Kutulu
Dude he has wiped out whole alternate Earths, JLA included, after killing alternate versions of Superman.
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdown024pg19jb6.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdown024pg20fl9.jpg

name me one feat of any of those superheroes that would make you say they are physically stronger or on par with Hulk who have they fought and beaten ? can you prove they are even half of the actual main universe JLA ?

Originally posted by 123KID
name me one feat of any of those superheroes that would make you say they are physically stronger or on par with Hulk who have they fought and beaten ? can you prove they are even half of the actual main universe JLA ?
durpullhair

exactly you can't.
they are there to die and have no feats
so explain to me why a group of heroes we can't really speak for in terms of power being made to die is impressive

And your here to fail and be entertaining.

Originally posted by 123KID
exactly you can't.
they are there to die and have no feats
so explain to me why a group of heroes we can't really speak for in terms of power being made to die is impressive

How about you back up your side of the argument instead. You have shown jack shit so far.

B.A. reported again for flaming. the hat trick in one thread impressive



gladly which do you want me to support?

Originally posted by 123KID
B.A. reported again for flaming. the hat trick in one thread impressive



gladly which do you want me to support?

Show me where King Thor traveled to alternate universes, killed alternate versions of himself on there, then blew up the planet for spite.

Report away. You think I care?

Originally posted by 123KID
SBP ever beat one ?
no ?
in fact his strength hasn't been enough to beat even current Kryptonians ?

and yeah, Hulk who thunderclaps universes away >>>>>> PC Kryps ka-dur whatdur

i don't need to have scans of him beating fodder jobbers i can post actual scans of him beating actual heroes with actual feats



i see
you have no regard for the rules

i'm sure the mods will love that.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Show me where King Thor traveled to alternate universes, killed alternate versions of himself on there, then blew up the planet for spite. That is a very lopsided question isn't it?


Because King Thor has never done those particular things.

But that has very little bearing on his actual power level.


But anyways King Thor wins even if the story arc wasn't the greatest for the Odinforce (which has destroyed Galaxies and recreated all of Asgard) it is still better than SMP. Thor before could harness power that could destroy 1/5 of the universe. King Thor is stronger than Classic Thor.

Originally posted by Kutulu
King Thor is not going to BFR Prime. Prime's basically immune to magic from what we've seen. King Thor would have to resort to physical force, and that's where he would lose this match.
What makes you think that Thor won't BFR Prime?

King Thor is not even on Thanos's level.

and Prime is?

No BFR.

Originally posted by 123KID
and Prime is?
No one is talking to you Mr Hulk can thunderclap away a universe.

take it up with the comic

Originally posted by Estacado
King Thor is not even on Thanos's level. Why would you say that. Despite his underwhelming display of power he did take the best Doc Strange had to offer and beat down the Hulk and Thing while depowered.

He also showed time manipulation abilities and his strength was able to knock the head off the destroyer something even Thanos would be unable to do.

Originally posted by 123KID
Hulk who thunderclaps universes away By creating a feedback resonance with the creator of that pocket dimension's sonic attack. The feat was NOT one that he accomplished on his own and should not be taken as such. An important element was the involvement of the other person.

i also don't see Thanos denting Cap's Shield

Originally posted by darthgoober
What makes you think that Thor won't BFR Prime?

Because BFR has not ever once worked against SMP. Not even the weaker version that got trapped in the speed force. Right now he's hopping from universe to universe and capable of ripping through the Source wall using his hands. He can literally punch his way through dimensional barriers right now. They tried to BFR SMP many times now and not once has it worked.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Because BFR has not ever once worked against SMP. Not even the weaker version that got trapped in the speed force. Right now he's hopping from universe to universe and capable of ripping through the Source wall using his hands. He can literally punch his way through dimensional barriers right now. They tried to BFR SMP many times now and not once has it worked. As crazy as that sounds it is true brf won't work.

Speedforce held him for a while i thought

and the Source Wall isn't what it used to be.
ain't that a song
"aint what it used to be, ain't what it used to be"

King Thor would probably loose to Superman Prime.

Originally posted by 123KID
Speedforce held him for a while i thought

and the Source Wall isn't what it used to be.
ain't that a song
"aint what it used to be, ain't what it used to be"

The 5th dimensional barrier is as poweful as it has always been. And Prime still punched a hole right thru that.

Originally posted by Rewmac
King Thor would probably loose to Superman Prime.

Agreed.

I don't really see Prime beating Rune King Thor, though.

Yup.
We see things how they are we are not fanboys.uhuh

Originally posted by Estacado
Yup.
We see thing how they are we are not fanboys.uhuh

it be awesome if you could list the powerful people who have attempted to punch through the Fifth Dimension but failed

only real way to quantify how big a feat that is

How about you just shut up and wait for being banned because of socking?

Originally posted by Estacado
How about you just shut up and wait for being banned because of socking? You know he may be on to something Estacado maybe you should listen to the 123KID hmm

Originally posted by 123KID
it be awesome if you could list the powerful people who have attempted to punch through the Fifth Dimension but failed

only real way to quantify how big a feat that is
The feat is that no one has ever pierced it but the Ultimator and the Quantums. Both Upper Tier abstract lvl beings.

Originally posted by Estacado
King Thor is not even on Thanos's level. King Thor destroyed Destroyer/Desak's head with one hammer throw.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
King Thor destroyed Destroyer/Desak's head with one hammer throw.

He didn't even swing it, just charged it and threw it.

Originally posted by Estacado
King Thor is not even on Thanos's level. King Thor has the odin force you know. Did you know that?

King Thor wins.

No, Superman-prime does.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No, Superman-prime does. It would be a good fight but this is Thor with the Odinforce. Hes one badmotherfukcer.

I like Prime a lot more than him but Thor with the Odinforce is just to much.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It would be a good fight but this is Thor with the Odinforce. Hes one badmotherfukcer.

I like Prime a lot more than him but Thor with the Odinforce is just to much.

Not if its countdown Superman-prime.

Even if it isnt, Genis beat king thor. Superman-prime and genis are
pretty much equal. Genis needed help to destroy the universe. A weakened sbp accidentally punched a multiverse into existence.

Superman-prime wins imo.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Not if its countdown Superman-prime.

Even if it isnt, Genis beat king thor. Superman-prime and genis are
pretty much equal. Genis needed help to destroy the universe. A weakened sbp accidentally punched a multiverse into existence.

Superman-prime wins imo. Nah. This isnt countdown Prime anyways. It doesnt say that so it isnt.

Doesnt matter.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Doesnt matter. Oh yes it does Prime from countdown is much more powerful. Prime would lose to Odin or King Thor just as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh yes it does Prime from countdown is much more powerful. Prime would lose to Odin or King Thor just as well.

What odin like abilities has king thor even shown? Galaxy busting? Universe busting perhaps?

sbp has punched through several dimensions.

King Thor may have him beat in versitality, but not in raw physcal power. People are acting like this is going to be a walk in the park for king thor, but imo, it will go like the genis vs king thor fight. It wont be easy for either side to win but sbp can get out of this with a 6/10.

Originally posted by Sirius77
What odin like abilities has king thor even shown? Galaxy busting? Universe busting perhaps?

sbp has punched through several dimensions.

King Thor may have him beat in versitality, but not in raw physcal power. People are acting like this is going to be a walk in the park for king thor, but imo, it will go like the genis vs king thor fight. It wont be easy for either side to win but sbp can get out of this with a 6/10.
odin busted up dead galaxies. And fought on everly plain of existance. According to mister master, there are only three. Spiritual, physical, and one more can't member right now.

But what feats has king thor shown that put him on odins level as far as galaxy busting?

Originally posted by Sirius77
But what feats has king thor shown that put him on odins level as far as galaxy busting?

I still haven't seen odin bust up any live galaxies. The one's with all the power.

So, then king thor hasnt shown any galaxy busting feats?

Well, how fast is he? Could he beat someone like flash in combat speed?

Originally posted by Sirius77
So, then king thor hasnt shown any galaxy busting feats?

Well, how fast is he? Could he beat someone like flash in combat speed?

I'm not all that familiar with king Thor. I did remember reading a scan or someone saying he had trouble with the moon. I stopped reading thor for a long time after Mike deodato left. I was mad cuz Thor was ending. And when it started up, I hated John romita's art. It's so shitty. Or it was. Gotten better as of late.

Deodato is an amazing artist. Has he drawn any comics lately, or is he done?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Deodato is an amazing artist. Has he drawn any comics lately, or is he done?

I haven't seen him any where. He drew my two favorite god characters, Wonder Woman and Thor, and I will treasure those issues until cows can fly. I also like benes even when he was doing gunfire. And I liked howard porter all the way back during the underworld unleashed days.

you mean the ones that be easier to destroy because you could ignite a reaction to destroy the galaxy as opposed to a barren galaxy where your energy alone has to destroy it ?




he had difficulty willing the Moon back into existence

besides that he dented Cap's Shield and then fixed it and of course when he had most of the Odinpower blocked he still brawled with and beat Hulk and Thing

but even though Prime hasn't once physically defeated a top tier with feats he is ranked above someone who can do that

But yeah, the new thor artist... I dont really know what to say. He draw action scenes AMAZINGLY. But the shots of the faces up close arent that great, lol. Its amazing in the same way lienel francis yus art is. The faces are wierd, but it goes with the rest of the art in a unique way.

Originally posted by 123KID
you mean the ones that be easier to destroy because you could ignite a reaction to destroy the galaxy as opposed to a barren galaxy where your energy alone has to destroy it ?




he had difficulty willing the Moon back into existence

besides that he dented Cap's Shield and then fixed it and of course when he had most of the Odinpower blocked he still brawled with and beat Hulk and Thing

but even though Prime hasn't once physically defeated a top tier with feats he is ranked above someone who can do that

A dead tree brank can be snapped with ease. try and snap a live one and see how much harder it is. And I seem to remember SBP knocking out a host of heroes last week.

Originally posted by 123KID
you mean the ones that be easier to destroy because you could ignite a reaction to destroy the galaxy as opposed to a barren galaxy where your energy alone has to destroy it ?

So, you think that live galaxies are easier to destroy? Also, I doubt that he would have started a chain reaction, it was by accident. He wasnt trying to destroy it. He was just putting out all of his energy at a time, so the galaxy was colateral damage.


Originally posted by 123KID
he had difficulty willing the Moon back into existence

Funny. sbp accidentally brought back the multiverse with his fists...

Originally posted by 123KID
besides that he dented Cap's Shield and then fixed it and of course when he had most of the Odinpower blocked he still brawled with and beat Hulk and Thing

Caps shield... hmmm, is that as strong as a dimension?

Hmmm, weakened two times, sbp took on Superman, MM, Supergirl, Powergirl, Ms Martian, etc... and got a bloody lip and nose. Nothing more.

Originally posted by 123KID
but even though Prime hasn't once physically defeated a top tier with feats he is ranked above someone who can do that

ion isnt a toptier? Or Hal?

Originally posted by Sirius77
What odin like abilities has king thor even shown? Galaxy busting? Universe busting perhaps?

sbp has punched through several dimensions.

King Thor may have him beat in versitality, but not in raw physcal power. People are acting like this is going to be a walk in the park for king thor, but imo, it will go like the genis vs king thor fight. It wont be easy for either side to win but sbp can get out of this with a 6/10. Thor beheaded Desak in the destroyer armor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I still haven't seen odin bust up any live galaxies. The one's with all the power. I havent seen orion destroy a galaxy with his astro force either.

king thor

---EDIT---



there is energy in a live galaxy thus giving you easier times of causing destruction. a void you fill with your own power and then blow it up is more impressive



hoorah for Plot Deive Walls and Anti-Matter Powerups



probably since several characters bash their way through dimensions but Cap's Shield has only been destroyed by high level cosmics



and were any of them knocked out ? actually defeated ?

no ? non-feat no one won

and Prime was almost at full power

and this was right after Supes fought Hank



a Draxamite with no feats using the Ion power who was weakened by lead and decided to fight with fists ?

Hal has had his arm broken and won fights before so that wasn't a loss

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor beheaded Desak in the destroyer armor.

Thanks...

But sbp punches through dimensions.

Desak was empowered by a Cosmic Being, Tarene the Designate. He went around killing and absorbing the powers of multiple pantheons throughout the 616 universe. All of this was so he could have enough power to kill King Thor... then Desak went inside the Destroyer Armor.


First battle from Thor v2 #50

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor07hv.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor15gl.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor20ub.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor37ou.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor45bs.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor55av.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor67tn.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor75vf.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor88kg.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...s/thor95ve.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../thor100dx.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../thor117ky.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../thor122vv.jpg

the final battle from Thor v2 #79
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t07ow.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t15xt.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t29ol.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t46tj.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t57bl.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t62vo.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t78mw.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eats/t83mu.jpg
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Originally posted by Sirius77
Thanks...

But sbp punches through dimensions. Yes Thor beheaded a character above top tier. When has Prime killed an above top tier character?

so have many characters

name anyone below a Celestial who has destroyed the Destroyer

Originally posted by 123KID
so have many characters

name anyone below a Celestial who has destroyed the Destroyer

Name a being below the spectre that has pwned mxy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Name a being below the spectre that has pwned mxy. 2 characters pwned Mxy. Dont give Prime all the credit.

not to mention that happened with a powerup

Originally posted by 123KID
not to mention that happened with a powerup

Originally posted by quanchi112
2 characters pwned Mxy. Dont give Prime all the credit.

You did when it was convenient in another argument.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You did when it was convenient in another argument. I never did I said he made Mxy look bad. He used another character against her will to depower mxy. He orchestrated the series of events which is impressive but needed her to accomplish this while he was powered up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never did I said he made Mxy look bad. He used another character against her will to depower mxy. He orchestrated the series of events which is impressive but needed her to accomplish this while he was powered up.

You certainly present it that way now that I and others have called you on your BS. what ever. You bore me.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You certainly present it that way now that I and others have called you on your BS. what ever. You bore me. I always laughed becuz Prime still bitched Mxy. He still made him look bad. He had help but still it was his idea and it didnt seem to hard at all to depower Mxy. Mxy was kidnapped.

Originally posted by 123KID
---EDIT---



there is energy in a live galaxy thus giving you easier times of causing destruction. a void you fill with your own power and then blow it up is more impressive

A dead galaxy has no stars and few planets. Thats basically blasting air...



Originally posted by 123KID
hoorah for Plot Deive Walls and Anti-Matter Powerups

The wall wasnt the plot device. sbp was.

Antimatter powerups? He punched through the phantom zone.



Originally posted by 123KID
probably since several characters bash their way through dimensions but Cap's Shield has only been destroyed by high level cosmics

How many times have each of them done it? Care to name them?

Also, king thor didnt destroy it. He dented it.



Originally posted by 123KID
and were any of them knocked out ? actually defeated ?

WW, Red Tornadoe, Red Star, and ion.

Originally posted by 123KID
no ?

Yes

Originally posted by 123KID
and Prime was almost at full power

You didnt read. Red star exposed him to red sun energy, and his armor was completely ripped off. He was depowered two times before he was even able to reach full power. We dont even know if he was at "full" strength when he fought ion.

Originally posted by 123KID
and this was right after Supes fought Hank

And this was right after sbp had been exposed to red sun energy and fought a couple of heroes.



Originally posted by 123KID
a Draxamite with no feats using the Ion power who was weakened by lead and decided to fight with fists ?

I dont want to hear any of this no experience stuff. sbp fought the antimoniter with everyone else after he first developed his powers.

Also, ion knew how to use the ring. The fact that he took out so many scs proves it.

And as far as no feats go, he took two shots from the antimoniter.

Originally posted by 123KID
Hal has had his arm broken and won fights before so that wasn't a loss

Did hal fight him after he got his arm broken? No.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Thor beheaded a character above top tier. When has Prime killed an above top tier character?

Hes about to kill ion.

The point is that Hal could of fought on. A broken arm hasn't been shown to debilitate him.

See the DOS arc.

Originally posted by 123KID
so have many characters

name anyone below a Celestial who has destroyed the Destroyer

Name all of these people who have punched through dimensions.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Hes about to kill ion. Oh yeah the guy who doesnt know how to use his powers. He wont kill him anyways. Ion is here to stay.

Originally posted by Red Shift
The point is that Hal could of fought on. A broken arm hasn't been shown to debilitate him.

See the DOS arc.

The point is all he did was scream in pain. sbp could have killed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh yeah the guy who doesnt know how to use his powers. He wont kill him anyways. Ion is here to stay.

Bull. sbp fought the antimoniter when he first got his powers. Literally. He learned to fly and helped battle a war against the antimoniter. ion has no excuse.

As far as his ion powers go, how many scs did he take out again?

8th Day Juggernaut comes to mind who isn't even Thanos-level from what i remember of him

i've given one name and will work on the others name me one person below a Celestial who destroyed the Destroyer Armor with ease no less

Originally posted by Sirius77
Bull. sbp fought the antimoniter when he first got his powers. Literally. He learned to fly and helped battle a war against the antimoniter. ion has no excuse.

As far as his ion powers go, how many scs did he take out again?

SPB did next to nothing against the Anti-Monitor, actually.

He sure as well wasn't doing anything more than gawking when Earth-2 Superman was finishing him off.

Originally posted by Red Shift
SPB did next to nothing against the Anti-Monitor, actually.

He sure as well wasn't doing anything more than gawking when Earth-2 Superman was finishing him off. I think your right.

If i remember he mostly just watched, he might have took one blast. Its been a while. They are both rookies. If you want to get technical then Yat has more fight experience but they both are effectively rookies.

Think about it. When SBP first appearance, he done what? Nothing much at all, then the Anti Monitor and didn't really do much. Then against earth heroes which lasted what a day then...

Then he was in that other world with Flash and probably had quite a few fights with them.

Yeah I wouldn't call him a rookie anymore TBH.

Unless he never took on the Flashes once in that other world I wouldn't say hes a major rookie.

Half of the reason that Prime became a villain is that he couldn't control his strength as well as someone who's had years doing so. Hence him accidentally killing Titan's to begin that massacre.

Thor gets his dad to erase superman from the book of life...,the match never even starts