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This is pure strength and durability, amping allowed

Right now the List is very short

War Hulk
Thanos ( for his freakish durability)
Most Versions of thor (after classic)
Photon (genis)
Classic Drax (amping)
Juggernaut
Hyperion (Supreme Power) (im being VERY generous here)
Gladiator (after having tons of sex, making the game winning shot and getting a perfect score on the SAT)

Who else?

Whats the limit? Skyfather and lower?

Thanos stomps Superman
Silver Surfer beats Superman

i would generally say skyfather of lower

Classic Sasquatch (w/Tanaraq-rage-amp)?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
This is pure strength and durability, amping allowed

Right now the List is very short

War Hulk
Thanos ( for his freakish durability)
Most Versions of thor (after classic)
Photon (genis)
Classic Drax (amping)
Juggernaut
Hyperion (Supreme Power) (im being VERY generous here)
Gladiator (after having tons of sex, making the game winning shot and getting a perfect score on the SAT)

Who else?

With Juggernaut and Thanos on that list, I assume you're playing fast and loose with the definition of "hero." I'll include a couple individuals who aren't technically "heroes."

standing toe to toe with superman? I'll assume bloodlust is off, and since you just said strength/durability I'll assume speed isn't a factor.

Beta Ray Bill- essentially the same as Thor, minus the godblast (?).
Immortal Hercules- No strength limit, unlimited stamina, crazy high durability and fighting skills
Warlock- The techno-organic version. Pretty much immune to pure physical damage, can adapt to powers on the fly, infect and absorb other targets, create high level tech from scratch, mimic powers he's seen before...the potential of this character is crazy high.
Adam Warlock- his default powers (strength, speed, stamina, etc) are lower than superman's, but he can amp himself with cosmic energy
Silver Surfer- self explanatory. It's the surfer.
Graviton- would own Superman 6 ways to sunday
Classic Apocalypse- in pure strength and durability? sure.
The Aquarian- superman would probably end up with an aneurysm figuring out how to hurt this guy. He might eventually do it, but it would take some creativity.

adam warlock is debatable

but he might pull it off. Depends on what current adam can do.

The Thing.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
The Thing. Your a tool.

Huc loses.

Living Tribunal
Eternity
Squirrel Girl
Infinity
Exitar
Arishem
Galactus
Nebula with the IG
Warlock with the IG
Thanos with the IG
Thanos with the HOTU
Thanos
Tiamut

Originally posted by Bransolute
Living Tribunal
Eternity
Squirrel Girl
Infinity
Exitar
Arishem
Galactus
Nebula with the IG
Warlock with the IG
Thanos with the IG
Thanos with the HOTU
Thanos
Tiamut
Originally posted by Terryc250
Whats the limit? Skyfather and lower?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
i would generally say skyfather of lower

Originally posted by Air Legend
Ya... and?
The Infinites
Mad Jim Jaspers
Jamie Braddock
The Phoenix... nevermind.

Originally posted by Air Legend

You going to try to argue with a guy who has a Bob Saget avatar?

I got a few.

Thanos
Thanos while jerking off
Thanos while taking a piss
Thanos on the toilet suffering from constipation
Thanos fvckin Lois Lane while going for the money shot

Originally posted by Space M ummy
With Juggernaut and Thanos on that list, I assume you're playing fast and loose with the definition of "hero." I'll include a couple individuals who aren't technically "heroes."

standing toe to toe with superman? I'll assume bloodlust is off, and since you just said strength/durability I'll assume speed isn't a factor.

Beta Ray Bill- essentially the same as Thor, minus the godblast (?).
Immortal Hercules- No strength limit, unlimited stamina, crazy high durability and fighting skills
Warlock- The techno-organic version. Pretty much immune to pure physical damage, can adapt to powers on the fly, infect and absorb other targets, create high level tech from scratch, mimic powers he's seen before...the potential of this character is crazy high.
Adam Warlock- his default powers (strength, speed, stamina, etc) are lower than superman's, but he can amp himself with cosmic energy
Silver Surfer- self explanatory. It's the surfer.
Graviton- would own Superman 6 ways to sunday
Classic Apocalypse- in pure strength and durability? sure.
The Aquarian- superman would probably end up with an aneurysm figuring out how to hurt this guy. He might eventually do it, but it would take some creativity.

Adam Warlock would probably lose to Superman if it is really head-to-head, ie with both starting close to each other. He may take it with some time to strategise.

Classic Apoc? I thought that was simply Trickster's version of Apoc who jobbed less than the current one. Is there a difference?

Originally posted by Bransolute
Ya... and?
The Infinites
Mad Jim Jaspers
Jamie Braddock
The Phoenix... nevermind.
What part of Skyfather and lower do you not get?

Originally posted by Air Legend
What part of Skyfather and lower do you not get? The whole theory.

Scathan
Hawkgod
Protege
PR Beyonder
PR Molecule Man
Abraxas

superman takes the win for most on the first "proper list" and maybe beats thanos as I can see darksied beating thanos as well

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The whole theory.

Scathan
Hawkgod
Protege
PR Beyonder
PR Molecule Man
Abraxas

Protege shouldnt even exist


And stop f*cking with my thread

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Protege shouldnt even exist


And stop f*cking with my thread Eh? I'm following your rules. No need to be so hostile... golly!

Franklin Richards at full potential
Goblin Force
5th Celestial Host
The Destroyer armor that fought the Celestials
FP Tyrant
Galactus from when he was destroying the universe
Rune King Thor
Trion Juggernaut

Originally posted by MattDay
superman takes the win for most on the first "proper list" and maybe beats thanos as I can see darksied beating thanos as well Supes couldnt beat Thanos and neither could Darkseid.

Nope sorry but Thanos is above them both anymore.

Originally posted by MattDay
superman takes the win for most on the first "proper list" and maybe beats thanos as I can see darksied beating thanos as well

I know right?

All those times he's gotten handled by top tiers makes me think Darkseid would...........oh wait!

Thanos puts his patent leather shoes up Darkseids rocky ass, and flips his skirt above his head while Darkseid is keeled over, spitting blood bubbles.

Where do you people get this stuff?

Cuz it ain't the comics.

I agree with Batdude. Double spacing sentences sucks.

Thor
WW Hulk
Beta Ray Bill
Gladiator
Sentry
Silver Surfer
Morg
Firelord

Originally posted by quanchi112
Firelord The others I somewhat get.

But Firelord?

Wow...

That's just weird.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The others I somewhat get.

But Firelord?

Wow...

That's just weird. Why not.....

Firelord would lose but I think could hang with him.


I didnt think we had to name people that won the majority but thacould take on Superman for a bit.

I figured someone would argue with Firelord...ok Firelord with the ig

Originally posted by Val
I agree with Batdude. Double spacing sentences sucks.

College habits are hard to break.

But then you should know that yourself.

That being college habits are hard to break.

Habits being all papers being typed in a double spaced format.

Format being the layout of the paper.

Paper being the brittle flake, derived from the original giants of the earth, trees.

Sometimes in the middle-earth terminology referred to as Ents.

Which means treeherder.

Herder being another word for Sheperd.

Sheperd being the man who cares for the sheep in the field.

Christianity has an affinity for the sheperding role, both in the scripture and in the world.

Which brings me to the most important point.













































Jesus Saves!

Supreme Power Hyperion is the weakest version of Hyperion. He'd lose to Superman, but it wouldnt be a stomp. Anyways, characters below Skyfather right?

Marvel characters who would beat Superman:
-Thanos
-Silver Surfer
-Sentry
-Current, Warrior Madness, King, or Rune King Thor
-Pre-Insane, Insane, Merged, Post-Insane, or Photon Genis
-Moonstone Zemo
-War or World War Hulk
-Gladiator (if he's very confident)
-King Hyperion
-Original or the Big and dumb Drax the Destroyer
-Current Nova
-Annihilus (with or without the Quantum Bands, doesnt matter)
-Shaman X-Man
-Adam Warlock (with Soul Gem)
-Jesus Cable
-Radioactive Man
-Classic, 8th Day, or Trion Juggernaut
-Impossible Man
-The Runner (with or without the Space Gem, doesnt matter)
-Wendell Quasar
-Count Nefaria
-Graviton
-Mangog
-High Evolutionary
-Current or Phalanx Ultron

Then the Marvel characters who can stand toe-to-toe with or stalemate Superman (at least for a while). Win or lose, it'll be close with these guys.
-Gladiator
-Thor
-Squadron Supreme or Supreme Power Hyperion
-Firelord
-Phyla Quasar
-Morg
-Red Shift
-Stardust
-Fallen One
-X-Man
-Beta Ray Bill
-Adam Warlock
-Legacy or Rookie Captain Marvel Genis
-Savage, Heroes Reborn, or Mindless Hulk
-Ravenous
-Immortal Hercules
-Classic Ultron
-Vulcan
-Gilgamesh
-Makkari

Originally posted by Photon009
Supreme Power Hyperion is the weakest version of Hyperion. He'd lose to Superman, but it wouldnt be a stomp. Anyways, characters below Skyfather right?

Marvel characters who would beat Superman:
-Thanos
-Silver Surfer
-Sentry
-Current, Warrior Madness, King, or Rune King Thor
-Pre-Insane, Insane, Merged, Post-Insane, or Photon Genis
-Moonstone Zemo
-War or World War Hulk
-Gladiator (if he's very confident)
-King Hyperion
-Original or the Big and dumb Drax the Destroyer
-Current Nova
-Annihilus (with or without the Quantum Bands, doesnt matter)
-Shaman X-Man
-Adam Warlock (with Soul Gem)
-Jesus Cable
-Radioactive Man
-Classic, 8th Day, or Trion Juggernaut
-Impossible Man
-The Runner (with or without the Space Gem, doesnt matter)
-Wendell Quasar
-Count Nefaria
-Graviton
-Mangog
-High Evolutionary
-Current or Phalanx Ultron

Then the Marvel characters who can stand toe-to-toe with or stalemate Superman (at least for a while). Win or lose, it'll be close with these guys.
-Gladiator
-Thor
-Squadron Supreme or Supreme Power Hyperion
-Firelord
-Phyla Quasar
-Morg
-Red Shift
-Stardust
-Fallen One
-X-Man
-Beta Ray Bill
-Adam Warlock
-Legacy or Rookie Captain Marvel Genis
-Savage, Heroes Reborn, or Mindless Hulk
-Ravenous
-Immortal Hercules
-Classic Ultron
-Vulcan
-Gilgamesh
-Makkari Now thats what I call a list.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why not.....

Firelord would lose but I think could hang with him.


I didnt think we had to name people that won the majority but thacould take on Superman for a bit.

I figured someone would argue with Firelord...ok Firelord with the ig



Firelord would lose but it would be really close. But considering Firelord manipulates all forms of heat and light as he's just the human equivalent of a massive star, he could technically drain Superman dry of his solar energy, or hit him with red sun radiation. But we havent seen Firelord do that so i dont know for sure.

Originally posted by Photon009
Firelord would lose but it would be really close. But considering Firelord manipulates all forms of heat and light as he's just the human equivalent of a massive star, he could technically drain Superman dry of his solar energy, or hit him with red sun radiation. But we havent seen Firelord do that so i dont know for sure. Yes I definitely think Firelord is underrated and I do think he could give him one helluva fight but I do see Supes winning against him consistently.

Originally posted by UniOmni
College habits are hard to break.

But then you should know that yourself.

That being college habits are hard to break.

Habits being all papers being typed in a double spaced format.

Format being the layout of the paper.

Paper being the brittle flake, derived from the original giants of the earth, trees.

Sometimes in the middle-earth terminology referred to as Ents.

Which means treeherder.

Herder being another word for Sheperd.

Sheperd being the man who cares for the sheep in the field.

Christianity has an affinity for the sheperding role, both in the scripture and in the world.

Which brings me to the most important point.
What college teaches to double space after each sentence?

Originally posted by Val
What college teaches to double space after each sentence?

Teh beset kind!!

cOMUnuity coleges1~~!

Originally posted by Photon009

-Thanos
-Silver Surfer
-Sentry
-Warrior Madness, King
-Moonstone Zemo
-War or World War Hulk
-Gladiator (if he's very confident)
-King Hyperion
-Original or the Big and dumb Drax the Destroyer (maybe)
-Current Nova
-Annihilus (with or without the Quantum Bands, doesnt matter)
-Classic, 8th Day
-Impossible Man
-Wendell Quasar
-Count Nefaria
-Graviton
-Current or Phalanx Ultron


-Gladiator
-Thor
-Squadron Supreme or Supreme Power Hyperion
-Firelord
-Phyla Quasar
-Morg
-Red Shift
-Stardust
-Adam Warlock
-Savage, Heroes Reborn, or Mindless Hulk
-Ravenous
-Immortal Hercules
-Classic Ultron
-Vulcan

Deleted all the people or versions i could see beating supes

As you can see there are lot of them left

Originally posted by Photon009
Supreme Power Hyperion is the weakest version of Hyperion. He'd lose to Superman, but it wouldnt be a stomp. Anyways, characters below Skyfather right?

Marvel characters who would beat Superman:
-Thanos
-Silver Surfer
-Sentry
-Current, Warrior Madness, King, or Rune King Thor
-Pre-Insane, Insane, Merged, Post-Insane, or Photon Genis
-Moonstone Zemo
-War or World War Hulk
-Gladiator (if he's very confident)
-King Hyperion
-Original or the Big and dumb Drax the Destroyer
-Current Nova
-Annihilus (with or without the Quantum Bands, doesnt matter)
-Shaman X-Man
-Adam Warlock (with Soul Gem)
-Jesus Cable
-Radioactive Man
-Classic, 8th Day, or Trion Juggernaut
-Impossible Man
-The Runner (with or without the Space Gem, doesnt matter)
-Wendell Quasar
-Count Nefaria
-Graviton
-Mangog
-High Evolutionary
-Current or Phalanx Ultron

Then the Marvel characters who can stand toe-to-toe with or stalemate Superman (at least for a while). Win or lose, it'll be close with these guys.
-Gladiator
-Thor
-Squadron Supreme or Supreme Power Hyperion
-Firelord
-Phyla Quasar
-Morg
-Red Shift
-Stardust
-Fallen One
-X-Man
-Beta Ray Bill
-Adam Warlock
-Legacy or Rookie Captain Marvel Genis
-Savage, Heroes Reborn, or Mindless Hulk
-Ravenous
-Immortal Hercules
-Classic Ultron
-Vulcan
-Gilgamesh
-Makkari

Originally posted by B.A
Thats the best you can do.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Deleted all the people or versions i could see beating supes

As you can see there are lot of them left

Are you telling me you dont think Thanos, 8th Day Juggernaut, King Thor, Zemo, Annihilus with the Q-Bands, the Impossible Man, King Hyperion or War Hulk could not beat Superman? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Everyone i said would beat him, would.

And whats so funny BA? Just being your idiotic self as usual? What do you think is wrong with what i said? Go ahead and please try and prove me wrong with anything i said. Please go ahead and try. I'd love to see you try.

My joke opinions = your real ones.

Quan and Photan are wrong so regally theres nothing more that can be said.

But not everyone on that list was bad just a few are laughable.

But what strength feats does Stardust have?

Oh and KH loses like all the other ones.

Wait a minute please do not tell Gecko actually believes Superman would even have a chance against Thanos. Not even a chance.

I havent read about 8th day Juggernaut but if he is indeed more powerful than his regular self by a considerable amount he would prolly rape Supes.


King Thor would utterly decimate Supes.


People have to stop kissing Supermans ass here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait a minute please do not tell Gecko actually believes Superman would even have a chance against Thanos. Not even a chance.

I havent read about 8th day Juggernaut but if he is indeed more powerful than his regular self by a considerable amount he would prolly rape Supes.


King Thor would utterly decimate Supes.


People have to stop kissing Supermans ass here.

I tend to agree.

8the day Juggs was him just focusing on something. So he would be able to rape Huc and Superman in brawls.

Originally posted by B.A
My joke opinions = your real ones.

Quan and Photan are wrong so regally theres nothing more that can be said.

But not everyone on that list was bad just a few are laughable.

But what strength feats does Stardust have?

Oh and KH loses like all the other ones. Calling everyone a joke who disagrees with you is by far the weakest way one can use to counter in a debate.

Is Superman your favorite character or something?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Calling everyone a joke who disagrees with you is by far the weakest way one can use to counter in a debate.

Is Superman your favorite character or something? I hate Superman.

Just the Huc fanboys that ignore the evidence I call jokes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is Superman your favorite character or something?

Dude, Superman is practically everybody's favorite character here. They think he can beat Thanos and Skyfathers for god's sake! HAHAHA and this idiot BA calls ME a joke?

Originally posted by B.A
I hate Superman.

Just the Huc fanboys that ignore the evidence I call jokes. You ignore Hulk evidence as well. I mean come on here man. The guy physically took on the Juggernaut......He crushed Strange/Zom soon as he took the offensive...took out Sentry who was going all out who previously humbled Terrax who can destroy planets when he wants to...

he did all this while he wasnt at his most powerful.

Originally posted by Photon009
Dude, Superman is practically everybody's favorite character here. They think he can beat Thanos and Skyfathers for god's sake! HAHAHA and this idiot BA calls ME a joke? Superman does deserve respect but sometimes people get outta control and give him wins over characters that would crush him. Odin,Thanos,Tyrant would absolutely decimate Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignore Hulk evidence as well. I mean come on here man. The guy physically took on the Juggernaut......He crushed Strange/Zom soon as he took the offensive...took out Sentry who was going all out who previously humbled Terrax who can destroy planets when he wants to...

he did all this while he wasnt at his most powerful.

Dude dont try to argue with BA trust me. You'll debate with him until he has no argument because you've completely proved him wrong, then he'll just call you an idiot and laugh at everything you say, even though everyone, including him, knows he's wrong.

Originally posted by Photon009
Dude, Superman is practically everybody's favorite character here. They think he can beat Thanos and Skyfathers for god's sake! HAHAHA and this idiot BA calls ME a joke? Actually idiot. He is not even that popular here, they are just smart enough to know wen he wins unlike you and Quan.

Originally posted by B.A
Actually idiot. He is not even that popular here, they are just smart enough to know wen he wins unlike you and Quan.
Lemme ask you something...

Can Superman beat these characters? Put a Yes or No next to their names, meaning Yes Superman can beat them, or No Superman cannot win.

Thanos?

Odin?

Zeus?

Tyrant?

King Thor?

Photon Genis?

Moonstone Zemo?

Sentry?

8th Day Juggernaut?

Superman is everyone's favorite character despite the fact that he won a poll for KMC's most hated comic character...

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignore Hulk evidence as well. I mean come on here man. The guy physically took on the Juggernaut......He crushed Strange/Zom soon as he took the offensive...took out Sentry who was going all out who previously humbled Terrax who can destroy planets when he wants to...

he did all this while he wasnt at his most powerful.

A very little part of Zom, and yeah its hella impressive he manages to knock out Strange and I am not taking that away for him. But the Juggs part was using his brain, Sentry has nothing that puts him on Superman's level, Terrax jobs to everyone so maybe it was someone who doesn't lose to everyoen then maybe it would be more impressive.

Originally posted by Photon009
Dude dont try to argue with BA trust me. You'll debate with him until he has no argument because you've completely proved him wrong, then he'll just call you an idiot and laugh at everything you say, even though everyone, including him, knows he's wrong. I laughed the time he told Galan that he was disappointed in him. He acted like a father telling his son that he had disappointed him.

Originally posted by Photon009
Lemme ask you something...

Can Superman beat these characters? Put a Yes or No next to their names, meaning Yes Superman can beat them, or No Superman cannot win.

Thanos? No.

Odin? No.

Zeus? I don't know his real power so thats a ??? But probably not.

Tyrant? Yes.

King Thor? No.

Photon Genis? Doubt it.

Moonstone Zemo? ???

Sentry? Yes.

8th Day Juggernaut? No.

Originally posted by B.A
A very little part of Zom, and yeah its hella impressive he manages to knock out Strange and I am not taking that away for him. But the Juggs part was using his brain, Sentry has nothing that puts him on Superman's level, Terrax jobs to everyone so maybe it was someone who doesn't lose to everyoen then maybe it would be more impressive. Terrax loses to badasses. He doesnt come to earth and get his ass kicked. He deals with some major players.

He still held his ground against Juggs and was barely moving back. This Hulk has brains and brawn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I laughed the time he told Galan that he was disappointed in him. He acted like a father telling his son that he had disappointed him. Well when someone who apparently know so much is so very wrong it tends to happen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Terrax loses to badasses. He doesnt come to earth and get his ass kicked. He deals with some major players.

he still held his ground against Juggs and was barely moving back. this Hulk has brains and brawn. So because who he jobs to is your argument.

Wait, BA, you think Superman cant beat Odin, but can beat Tyrant? Or the other way around?

Originally posted by B.A
So because who he jobs to is your argument. Who has Terrax lost to that isnt powerful.

Originally posted by B.A
Well when someone who apparently know so much is so very wrong it tends to happen. Maybe your the one wrong. Ever tried thinking about that.

Originally posted by Photon009
Wait, BA, you think Superman cant beat Odin, but can beat Tyrant? Or the other way around? Damn I was thinking of Terrax.

Then no he loses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maybe your the one wrong. Ever tried thinking about that. But the on panel evidence that proves me right is wrong?

Did BA actually say that Superman could beat Tyrant.......

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maybe your the one wrong. Ever tried thinking about that. And now he lost to someone weaker. So what, Sentry's good yeah but he is no Superman so comparing them is wrong.

Originally posted by B.A
Damn I was thinking of Terrax.

Then no he loses.

Okay well then you're right for most of it. The only one you're wrong with is that Sentry would destroy Superman. In other words, everyone in that list would beat the hell out of superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did BA actually say that Superman could beat Tyrant....... Originally posted by B.A
Damn I was thinking of Terrax.

Then no he loses.

Originally posted by Photon009
Okay well then you're right for most of it. The only one you're wrong with is that Sentry would destroy Superman. In other words, everyone in that list would beat the hell out of superman.

What has Sentry done that puts him on Supermans level?

Originally posted by B.A
But the on panel evidence that proves me right is wrong? Everyone else is wrong but your right. you make it like its so cut and dry with whatever on panel evidence that you are claiming backs up your position.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everyone else is wrong but your right. you make it like its so cut and dry with whatever on panel evidence that you are claiming backs up your position.

The fact that I have the evidence and you don't is what makes me right.

Originally posted by B.A
The fact that I have the evidence and you don't is what makes me right. I have evidence as well. A lot of it you just try to downplay it. WW hulk even at his most powerful wasnt able to be bested by anyone he faced.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have evidence as well. A lot of it you just try to downplay it. WW hulk even at his most powerful wasnt able to be bested by anyone he faced.

And yet the evidence you have can be proven wrong. Oh BTW it has.

Anyway I am done for now probably. Cya tomorrow Quan.

Originally posted by B.A
What has Sentry done that puts him on Supermans level?

He fought against Genis.

He held back the power of a cosmic cube.

He beat Terrax.

He fought a supposedly amped Hulk.

That's enough for me.

Not saying he'd win or lose against Superman.

But he's not gonna ko himself on his chest, or break his hand punching the guy.

Originally posted by B.A
And yet the evidence you have can be proven wrong. Oh BTW it has.

Anyway I am done for now probably. Cya tomorrow Quan. Uhm he didnt lose. How can you prove me wrong.....

Originally posted by B.A
What has Sentry done that puts him on Supermans level?

-Went toe-to-toe with WWH, who was so powerful he simply stepped, and rocked the ****ing planet. Also keep in mind regular Hulk used to beat the shit out of Thor in the past, whose on par with Superman. And WWH is far superior to the regular Savage Hulk.

-Overloaded the Absorbing Man easily, something Thor has tried to do, but failed at multiple times. Once again, Thor is on par with Superman.

-Held the power of a cosmic cube in his hands. Keep in mind, Superman nearly lost his arms holding the power of a microscopic black hole in his hands, Sentry held the CC longer, and easier. And a cosmic cube >>>>>>>>>>> a black hole.

-Owned Terrax, a mid level herald, easier then Superman could even dream of doing. Surfer had more trouble with Terrax than Sentry did, and Surfer was fighting an extremely weakened Terrax who was just fighting the New Warriors and Fantastic Four armed with anti-herald guns for 2 issues straight directly prior to the Surfer fight. And Surfer is another character on Superman's level.

-Destroyed multiple planets in a fight with Photon Genis, and stood toe-to-toe with Photon for almost a whole issue. Photon is far above Superman's level, considering Zemo, the slightly inferior version of Photon, owned the GRANDMASTER twice. And destroying multiple planets is something Superman couldnt dream of doing. Has Superman ever even destroyed one planet? Much less multiples...

-Went toe-to-toe with the Collective before being BFRed. And this was a more competent version of the Collective than the version that owned Binary, another character around Superman's level, in 2 pages a couple pages later.

-He doesnt have any low showings. His lowest showing is struggling to stop a high speed falling Helicarrier, which weighs hundreds of thousands of tons. Superman has horrible feats, MUCH MUCH worse than that.

Sentry >> Superman.

Originally posted by Val
Superman is everyone's favorite character despite the fact that he won a poll for KMC's most hated comic character...

i could see how that could be.

i like superman but at the same time, i hate him to hell

Care to name at least 3 of these horrible feats, much worse than that?

Look bitches

stop spamming my thread

Make a battledome and have a debate

Sentry vs superman

If not then SHUT THE F*CK UP!

Originally posted by UniOmni
Care to name at least 3 of these horrible feats, much worse than that?

Getting taken out by one blast from GL John, having trouble holding the Daily Planet Globe, and getting KOed from an exploding gas station. Name me one of Sentry's feats that are that bad. You cant, because they dont exist.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
i could see how that could be.

i like superman but at the same time, i hate him to hell
That makes you KMC's ideal member.

This thread is full of stupid and fail.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
This thread is full of stupid and fail.

You fail even harder by posting that

Everyone knows that Ba, qaun and photon are the heralds of fail you didnt need to say it.

Originally posted by Photon009
Getting taken out by one blast from GL John, having trouble holding the Daily Planet Globe, and getting KOed from an exploding gas station. Name me one of Sentry's feats that are that bad. You cant, because they dont exist.

Getting handled by Uteron.

Not holding the Helicarrier.

The gas station was 14 years ago, and an explicitly weaker Superman, so what's the relevance?

Originally posted by Photon009
-Went toe-to-toe with WWH, who was so powerful he simply stepped, and rocked the ****ing planet. Also keep in mind regular Hulk used to beat the shit out of Thor in the past, whose on par with Superman. And WWH is far superior to the regular Savage Hulk.

-Overloaded the Absorbing Man easily, something Thor has tried to do, but failed at multiple times. Once again, Thor is on par with Superman.

-Held the power of a cosmic cube in his hands. Keep in mind, Superman nearly lost his arms holding the power of a microscopic black hole in his hands, Sentry held the CC longer, and easier. And a cosmic cube >>>>>>>>>>> a black hole.

-Owned Terrax, a mid level herald, easier then Superman could even dream of doing. Surfer had more trouble with Terrax than Sentry did, and Surfer was fighting an extremely weakened Terrax who was just fighting the New Warriors and Fantastic Four armed with anti-herald guns for 2 issues straight directly prior to the Surfer fight. And Surfer is another character on Superman's level.

-Destroyed multiple planets in a fight with Photon Genis, and stood toe-to-toe with Photon for almost a whole issue. Photon is far above Superman's level, considering Zemo, the slightly inferior version of Photon, owned the GRANDMASTER twice. And destroying multiple planets is something Superman couldnt dream of doing. Has Superman ever even destroyed one planet? Much less multiples...

-Went toe-to-toe with the Collective before being BFRed. And this was a more competent version of the Collective than the version that owned Binary, another character around Superman's level, in 2 pages a couple pages later.

-He doesnt have any low showings. His lowest showing is struggling to stop a high speed falling Helicarrier, which weighs hundreds of thousands of tons. Superman has horrible feats, MUCH MUCH worse than that.

Sentry >> Superman. Lets just say you owned BA and I bet he wont respond to this.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You fail even harder by posting that

Everyone knows that Ba, qaun and photon are the heralds of fail you didnt need to say it. Yeah gecko and your a damn genius.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Getting handled by Uteron.

Not holding the Helicarrier.

The gas station was 14 years ago, and an explicitly weaker Superman, so what's the relevance?

WE have absolutely no idea what level the new Ultron is at. But from what was shown, she's powerful as hell, and would most likely beat the shit out of Superman. That's not nearly as bad as any of Superman's showings. And as i said, the Helicarrier weighs hundreds of thousands of tons, and Sentry had just been in a big fight, so yea, that's not really bad at all compared to the ones i mentioned for Superman.

I lol'd at the heralds of fail.

Originally posted by Photon009
-Went toe-to-toe with WWH, who was so powerful he simply stepped, and rocked the ****ing planet. Also keep in mind regular Hulk used to beat the shit out of Thor in the past, whose on par with Superman. And WWH is far superior to the regular Savage Hulk.

Hulk has never beat thor. He has almost beat him but that was just because thor decided to fight like a idiot

And thor is never on par with superman. He is either far below him or far above. Hulk didnt fight the above version.


Once again no he isnt


Superman has dont more impressive stuff. Cant think of any atm (but then again im not a supes expert anyway) so Point for you right now.


Terrax is one of the weakest heralds. The only people below him are Gabriel the Air-Walker and Redshift.
Silver surfer being superman level is debatable. It is apples and oranges


LMFAO Superman has destoryed planets. Are you f*cking kidding me?
lol. And everyone knows photon was jobbing. After seeing sentry go "all out" in wwh 5 photon should have been able to turn sentry into a stain on the floor in less then a second.


Binary f*cking sucks. How dare you compare her to supes!


Im not a sentry expert so i dont know his low feats really.
And your using low feats from a depowered superman. That really helps your case



No

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah gecko and your a damn genius.

F*cking right I am

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hulk has never beat thor. He has almost beat him but that was just because thor decided to fight like a idiot

And thor is never on par with superman. He is either far below him or far above. Hulk didnt fight the above version.


Once again no he isnt


Superman has dont more impressive stuff. Cant think of any atm (but then again im not a supes expert anyway) so Point for you right now.


Terrax is one of the weakest heralds. The only people below him are Gabriel the Air-Walker and Redshift.
Silver surfer being superman level is debatable. It is apples and oranges


LMFAO Superman has destoryed planets. Are you f*cking kidding me?
lol. And everyone knows photon was jobbing. After seeing sentry go "all out" in wwh 5 photon should have been able to turn sentry into a stain on the floor in less then a second.


Binary f*cking sucks. How dare you compare her to supes!


Im not a sentry expert so i dont know his low feats really.
And your using low feats from a depowered superman. That really helps your case



No



F*cking right I am

Thor is on the level of Superman.

He's on the level in strength, blunt force durability, but lacks severely in speed and intellect. Plus his piercing damage is lacking.

His hammer puts him above Superman tho.


Surfer is on the level of Superman in everything but strength.

And flatout trumps him in some regards.

And Superman never destroyed a planet to my knowledge.

Wouldn't be surprised if he did, but he hasn't as of this point.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You fail even harder by posting that

Everyone knows that Ba, qaun and photon are the heralds of fail you didnt need to say it. Ok.

Thor is actually more powerful than Superman, and yes Hulk has beat him. Binary is also on Superman's level, and Surfer's Superman's superior as well. And no Photon didnt job (this coming from a Photon fan), Sentry is just extremely powerful as well. Not as much so as Photon, but not far from it either. And Superman has never destroyed a planet, and i honestly dont recall him doing anything more impressive than holding that microscopic black hole.

Sentry >> Superman, like it or not.

Silver Surfur would beat Supes more often than not IMO.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Hulk has never beat thor. He has almost beat him but that was just because thor decided to fight like a idiot

And thor is never on par with superman. He is either far below him or far above. Hulk didnt fight the above version.


Once again no he isnt


Superman has dont more impressive stuff. Cant think of any atm (but then again im not a supes expert anyway) so Point for you right now.


Terrax is one of the weakest heralds. The only people below him are Gabriel the Air-Walker and Redshift.
Silver surfer being superman level is debatable. It is apples and oranges


LMFAO Superman has destoryed planets. Are you f*cking kidding me?
lol. And everyone knows photon was jobbing. After seeing sentry go "all out" in wwh 5 photon should have been able to turn sentry into a stain on the floor in less then a second.


Binary f*cking sucks. How dare you compare her to supes!


Im not a sentry expert so i dont know his low feats really.
And your using low feats from a depowered superman. That really helps your case



No



F*cking right I am Uhm Thor isnt far below Superman. Whatever gave you that idea?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm Thor isnt far below Superman. Whatever gave you that idea?

With the exception of Endgame thor and possibly RKT All versions of thor are beneath superman

In every aspect.

What is the saving grace for thor is his versitility.

He would actually be much better if he wasnt so damn stupid.

He always forgets all of the uber useful powers he has.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
With the exception of Endgame thor and possibly RKT All versions of thor are beneath superman

In every aspect.

What is the saving grace for thor is his versitility.

He would actually be much better if he wasnt so damn stupid.

He always forgets all of the uber useful powers he has. A battle between these two would very close. They are neck and neck in a fight.

They are comparable in strength at least.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Look bitches

stop spamming my thread

Make a battledome and have a debate

Sentry vs superman

If not then SHUT THE F*CK UP! No.

Originally posted by Photon009
Getting taken out by one blast from GL John, having trouble holding the Daily Planet Globe, and getting KOed from an exploding gas station. Name me one of Sentry's feats that are that bad. You cant, because they dont exist. I can.

Getting one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice.
Getting affected by some hits from Iron Man.
Getting hurt by a hug from regular Huc.
Can't stop the helicarrier from falling. Wonderman and Ms. Marvel showed him up.
Etc.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You fail even harder by posting that

Everyone knows that Ba, qaun and photon are the heralds of fail you didnt need to say it. Wrong.

But you are the Skyfather of fail.

Originally posted by B.A
Wrong.

But you are the Skyfather of fail. You're the Classic Beyonder of phail.

Originally posted by B.A
Wrong.

But you are the Skyfather of fail. Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You're the Classic Beyonder of phail.
Both of you are the butt f*cking pedophiles of fail.

For continuing to use that.

Its so funny hearing marvel fans discredit Supes power in favor of there own fav characters lol...such fanboyism. Anyways, IMO supes (well I mean supes at his peak which would be PC supes) is a skyfather level character soooo....I dunno i think only a handful of peeps that are below abstract and high tier skyfathers characters could compete with him.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Its so funny hearing marvel fans discredit Supes power in favor of there own fav characters lol...such fanboyism. Anyways, IMO supes (well I mean supes at his peak which would be PC supes) is a skyfather level character soooo....I dunno i think only a handful of peeps that are below abstract and high tier skyfathers characters could compete with him.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Its so funny hearing marvel fans discredit Supes power in favor of there own fav characters lol...such fanboyism. Anyways, IMO supes (well I mean supes at his peak which would be PC supes) is a skyfather level character soooo....I dunno i think only a handful of peeps that are below abstract and high tier skyfathers characters could compete with him. You don't even know what a Skyfather is I take it?

Yeah I do actually, and IMO I think PC supes is a skyfather level character. He might be on the lower-mid end of it, but regardless he is still a skyfather character.

Getting one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice. - Who had his powers on top of the rest of the New Avengers powers. That's like saying Superman getting one shotted by someone who had the powers of him and the JLA is a bad showings. It's not. Plus, Sentry wasnt knocked out.

Getting affected by some hits from Iron Man. - He wasnt affected. He smurked, wiped his mouth, and knocked Iron Man out.

Getting hurt by a hug from regular Huc. - That's not a bad showing at all. Hulk's held billions of tons, and has incredible feats. Superman would be alot more hurt than Sentry was.

Can't stop the helicarrier from falling. Wonderman and Ms. Marvel showed him up. - The Helicarrier is hundreds of thousands of tons. That's not unimpressive at all compared to Superman's low showings. And Wonder Man and Ms Marvel helped Sentry do it, they didnt do it by themself.

Nice try, but not good enough.

Also did i hear someone say Superman is skyfather level? Even Pre-Crisis Superman is not Skyfather level, much less regular Superman. He's herald level, which is basically 1/4th of a skyfather AT BEST.

And didnt someone also say that no version of Thor would beat Superman other than Rune king Thor? Rune King Thor would beat Superman 10/10, as would King Thor. King Thor is a bonafide skyfather, levels and levels about Superman. Warrior Madness Thor gave Thanos serious trouble, something Superman could only dream of doing. WM Thor would beat Superman easily as well. Current Thor would also crush Superman. Hell, even regular Thor would probably beat Superman, he's only slightly inferior to Supes in strength and durability, but has a massive advantage in versatility, plus Supes is vulnerable to magic.
-Regular Thor beats Superman 6/10
-Current Thor beats Superman 9/10
-Warrior Madness Thor beats Superman 9/10
-King Thor beats Superman 10/10
-Rune King Thor beats Superman 100/100

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Both of you are the butt f*cking pedophiles of fail.

For continuing to use that.
Your the Lee evens of fail.

Violent don't try, I wont hurt children and any owning I give you would be a beating.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/aj-02-38.jpg
I know he has help here but Supes would be affected by Iron man blasts as well.

Please BA, you are an insolent mortal whelp to me.

Originally posted by Photon009
Getting one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice. - Who had his powers on top of the rest of the New Avengers powers. That's like saying Superman getting one shotted by someone who had the powers of him and the JLA is a bad showings. It's not. Plus, Sentry wasnt knocked out.

Getting affected by some hits from Iron Man. - He wasnt affected. He smurked, wiped his mouth, and knocked Iron Man out.

Getting hurt by a hug from regular Huc. - That's not a bad showing at all. Hulk's held billions of tons, and has incredible feats. Superman would be alot more hurt than Sentry was.

Can't stop the helicarrier from falling. Wonderman and Ms. Marvel showed him up. - The Helicarrier is hundreds of thousands of tons. That's not unimpressive at all compared to Superman's low showings. And Wonder Man and Ms Marvel helped Sentry do it, they didnt do it by themself.

Nice try, but not good enough. The first time SA knocked him out, it was on it's own powers. The second time she knocked him out, it was with other powers.

He was affected. Go look at the fight in any respect thread that you read it from in the first place.

Hulk was calm, and it was a greeting hug.

When did it say it was that heavy? Plus, you wanted low showings, you didn't specify how bad they were supposed to be.
What low showings off Supe's strength are lower than that? You might as well give the scan of the daily planet one, since I've never seen it (also, Sentry only has one feat in that aspect, which shouldn't make it pis).

Sentry stopped exerting himself, and it seemingly stopped... also, Marvel and WM were holding it up with one hand...

Originally posted by quanchi112
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/aj-02-38.jpg
I know he has help here but Supes would be affected by Iron man blasts as well. When he was weakened by a fight with Thor.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Please BA, you are an insolent mortal whelp to me.

I wont even bother with you, its like an argument with a retard, no matter the outcome you still argued with one.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
When he was weakened by a fight with Thor. Do you really think Iron Man's blasts could affect him at all?

Originally posted by B.A


I wont even bother with you, its like an argument with a retard, no matter the outcome you still argued with one.

You keep calling everyone retarded and stupid youll get banned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you really think Iron Man's blasts could affect him at all? Irrelevant.

He was weakened from his fight with Thor. It's not impossible for him to hurt an exhausted Superman... especially with a cheapshot.

Originally posted by Photon009
Getting one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice. - Who had his powers on top of the rest of the New Avengers powers. That's like saying Superman getting one shotted by someone who had the powers of him and the JLA is a bad showings. It's not. Plus, Sentry wasnt knocked out.

Getting affected by some hits from Iron Man. - He wasnt affected. He smurked, wiped his mouth, and knocked Iron Man out.

Getting hurt by a hug from regular Huc. - That's not a bad showing at all. Hulk's held billions of tons, and has incredible feats. Superman would be alot more hurt than Sentry was.

Can't stop the helicarrier from falling. Wonderman and Ms. Marvel showed him up. - The Helicarrier is hundreds of thousands of tons. That's not unimpressive at all compared to Superman's low showings. And Wonder Man and Ms Marvel helped Sentry do it, they didnt do it by themself.

Nice try, but not good enough.

Also did i hear someone say Superman is skyfather level? Even Pre-Crisis Superman is not Skyfather level, much less regular Superman. He's herald level, which is basically 1/4th of a skyfather AT BEST.

And didnt someone also say that no version of Thor would beat Superman other than Rune king Thor? Rune King Thor would beat Superman 10/10, as would King Thor. King Thor is a bonafide skyfather, levels and levels about Superman. Warrior Madness Thor gave Thanos serious trouble, something Superman could only dream of doing. WM Thor would beat Superman easily as well. Current Thor would also crush Superman. Hell, even regular Thor would probably beat Superman, he's only slightly inferior to Supes in strength and durability, but has a massive advantage in versatility, plus Supes is vulnerable to magic.
-Regular Thor beats Superman 6/10
-Current Thor beats Superman 9/10
-Warrior Madness Thor beats Superman 9/10
-King Thor beats Superman 10/10
-Rune King Thor beats Superman 100/100

LMAO ...geez man that was great comedy. Well lets just say it for what it is, Supes would beat any version of Thor besides RKT 8/10. He would most likly stalemate RKT so its a 50/50 on that.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Irrelevant.

He was weakened from his fight with Thor. It's not impossible for him to hurt an exhausted Superman... especially with a cheapshot. Irons Mans blasts would affect Superman as well. Supes would kick his ass but would be affected by his blasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irons Mans blasts would affect Superman as well. Supes would kick his ass but would be affected by his blasts. Superman's shrugged off things that dwarf IM's blasts.

And more times than, say, Sentry has.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO ...geez man that was great comedy. Well lets just say it for what it is, Supes would beat any version of Thor besides RKT 8/10. He would most likly stalemate RKT so its a 50/50 on that. Do you realize how insane you are being. King Thor would wipe his ass with Supermans face. I have heard RKT is way more powerful than King Thor. No one in here would back you up on what you just claimed.


No one!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irons Mans blasts would affect Superman as well. Supes would kick his ass but would be affected by his blasts. That's nice. You forgot 'IYO'.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO ...geez man that was great comedy. Well lets just say it for what it is, Supes would beat any version of Thor besides RKT 8/10. He would most likly stalemate RKT so its a 50/50 on that.

You should be banned just for being so damn stupid.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
With the exception of Endgame thor and possibly RKT All versions of thor are beneath superman

In every aspect.

What is the saving grace for thor is his versitility.

He would actually be much better if he wasnt so damn stupid.

He always forgets all of the uber useful powers he has.

Perhaps a shade below him in every respect, barring speed, but if Superman was an overall ten physically, Thor is at least an eight, if not a 9 imo.

Superman doesn't dwarf Thor in anything but speed.

But the same can't be said in reverse.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Superman's shrugged off things that dwarf IM's blasts.

And more times than, say, Sentry has. Superman would still be affected. Sentry also might not have been calling on most of his power either.

Originally posted by Photon009
You should be banned just for being so damn stupid. Agreed... for once.

Originally posted by Photon009
You should be banned just for being so damn stupid. Eye-Ron-Eee

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Eye-Ron-Eee That too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman would still be affected. Sentry also might not have been calling on most of his power either. Based on one showing versus all the showings of Superman's insane durability?

Lulz.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Eye-Ron-Eee
Poe-Tay-Toes

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Based on one showing versus all the showings of Superman's insane durability?

Lulz. Wow I mean Iron Man is no ***** here but come on. Superman wouldnt be on his knees but it wouldnt tickle him.

The problem here is that some people are wanking Marvel heroes to death. The only peeps who should be banned are fanboys that completly ignore and deny feats. How anyone can think that thor at his base power could defeat Supes is insane. RKT is incredibly overrated dudes.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
The problem here is that some people are wanking Marvel heroes to death. The only peeps who should be banned are fanboys that completly ignore and deny feats. How anyone can think that thor at his base power could defeat Supes is insane. RKT is incredibly overrated dudes. The problem here is you. You have given Superman a win over Odin. Odin for pitys sake. Have you ever read the story with RKT? I bet you havent.

Okay I'll be man enough to admit I made a mistake when I gave supes the win over Odin. I figured that since SUpes could stand toe to toe with DS who is Odins peer that he would stand a chance agaisnt Odin. It was ABC logic and I admit it was the wrong thing to do. On th other hand, I stick by moy claim that supes could easily 8/10 any thor besides RKT whom IMO is overated.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Okay I'll be man enough to admit I made a mistake when I gave supes the win over Odin. I figured that since SUpes could stand toe to toe with DS who is Odins peer that he would stand a chance agaisnt Odin. It was ABC logic and I admit it was the wrong thing to do. On th other hand, I stick by moy claim that supes could easily 8/10 any thor besides RKT whom IMO is overated. So he could beat King Thor? People say RKT is more than Odin.

I can accept that RKT could possibly defeat Supes, even though PC supes has shown skyfather level feats that equal some major top tiers I can still accept that RKT can get the win, although personally I dont think RKT is above Odin IMO.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I can accept that RKT could possibly defeat Supes, even though PC supes has shown skyfather level feats that equal some major top tiers I can still accept that RKT can get the win, although personally I dont think RKT is above Odin IMO. But you havent read anything about RKT.

To be Skyfather, don't you actually need matter manipulation as a requirement?

Usually probably You can't just be strong or fast or nothing

The Silver Age Mangog was pretty much a Skyfather tho and that was pure physical power

PreCrisis Omega was probably a skyfather too or above in just strength as well

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irons Mans blasts would affect Superman as well. Supes would kick his ass but would be affected by his blasts.

There are a couple of things to consider here.

For one it is a cross-over, so let us start from there.

a) You have a Superman that just finished fighting with Thor get knocked down (not out ...down) by a blast from Iron Man

b) In a cross-over, also DC and Marvel, Superman gets shot at with a laser that Reed Richards states can cut through adamantium. And nothing! Superman simply shrugs it off.

Thus, which of the two is more legit?

i) Since they are both from cross overs it should be none, but let us use both of them for the sake of it.
ii) In the first one, Superman just got finished with Thor and is clearly spent (even talks about that fight). In the second, Superman is all A-Ok, no fight with magic-backed deities etc etc etc, and easily takes the blast. Thus it can be said (logically speaking) that the fight with Thor had something to do with him going down.
iii) Then you have to look at what is cannon ....Superman has taken IMMENSE energy blasts, including several that range from 'merely' several kilotons to what is tantamount to super-novae in space. Based on that, one has to seriously wonder what damage IM would have on Superman.

Caveat: Stark could come up with a wave length that affects Superman (either using Red Light energy which will block his ability to fully access his powers, or using some kryptonite based wave-length that replicates the ability of kryptonite to disrupt his powers and affect his health, or even some more obtuse rays).
Thus, with his science Stark could come up something.
However, his normal blasts ....no way Jose.

IronMan is not even deserving to sit at Superman's foot stool.

Tony was also motherbox enhanced during most of that x-over.

I was under the impression that a crossover JLA/avengers was actually canon, the one where Supes got beaten after taking down Thor precisely.

Originally posted by spetznaz
There are a couple of things to consider here.

For one it is a cross-over, so let us start from there.

a) You have a Superman that just finished fighting with Thor get knocked down (not out ...down) by a blast from Iron Man

b) In a cross-over, also DC and Marvel, Superman gets shot at with a laser that Reed Richards states can cut through adamantium. And nothing! Superman simply shrugs it off.

Thus, which of the two is more legit?

i) Since they are both from cross overs it should be none, but let us use both of them for the sake of it.
ii) In the first one, Superman just got finished with Thor and is clearly spent (even talks about that fight). In the second, Superman is all A-Ok, no fight with magic-backed deities etc etc etc, and easily takes the blast. Thus it can be said (logically speaking) that the fight with Thor had something to do with him going down.
iii) Then you have to look at what is cannon ....Superman has taken IMMENSE energy blasts, including several that range from 'merely' several kilotons to what is tantamount to super-novae in space. Based on that, one has to seriously wonder what damage IM would have on Superman.

Caveat: Stark could come up with a wave length that affects Superman (either using Red Light energy which will block his ability to fully access his powers, or using some kryptonite based wave-length that replicates the ability of kryptonite to disrupt his powers and affect his health, or even some more obtuse rays).
Thus, with his science Stark could come up something.
However, his normal blasts ....no way Jose.

IronMan is not even deserving to sit at Superman's foot stool. I never said that Superman would lose to Iron man. When did I say that once. All I said is that Iron Man's balsts would affect him. They did and would.



And hasnt dc made this crossover canon while marvel hasnt. So that makes it canon to Superman correct?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said that Superman would lose to Iron man. When did I say that once. All I said is that Iron Man's balsts would affect him. They did and would.



And hasnt dc made this crossover canon while marvel hasnt. So that makes it canon to Superman correct?
No

Im pretty sure they havent

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said that Superman would lose to Iron man. When did I say that once. All I said is that Iron Man's balsts would affect him. They did and would.



And hasnt dc made this crossover canon while marvel hasnt. So that makes it canon to Superman correct?

And i was not talking about Superman losing either (even you know that would be a joke), but solely about Iron Man's 'normal' blasts affecting Superman (with normal meaning his repulsor blasts, that have not been enhanced with, say, Kryptonite whatnot or red sun thisthat 'ala' how Luthor's warsuit works).

Also gave examples how in the cross over Superman gets zapped by lasers that can go through adamantium like butter, and nothing!

Also talked about the fight with Thor, just before he got knocked down by the blasts, and then jumped on by the crew.

I also mentioned about some of the blasts that Superman has taken in the past, scans of which are easily available.

Never mentioned anything about Superman losing to Iron Man ....unless there is prep time involved and special measures by Stark, that would simply not happen.

BTW: Some poster said that IM in that scene was enhanced by a motherbox, which (if true) would be an additional consideration on top of the fact that Superman just got wrapped up fighting a god of Thunder who has eldritch energy coursing through him.

Originally posted by spetznaz
And i was not talking about Superman losing either (even you know that would be a joke), but solely about Iron Man's 'normal' blasts affecting Superman (with normal meaning his repulsor blasts, that have not been enhanced with, say, Kryptonite whatnot or red sun thisthat 'ala' how Luthor's warsuit works).

Also gave examples how in the cross over Superman gets zapped by lasers that can go through adamantium like butter, and nothing!

Also talked about the fight with Thor, just before he got knocked down by the blasts, and then jumped on by the crew.

I also mentioned about some of the blasts that Superman has taken in the past, scans of which are easily available.

Never mentioned anything about Superman losing to Iron Man ....unless there is prep time involved and special measures by Stark, that would simply not happen.

BTW: Some poster said that IM in that scene was enhanced by a motherbox, which (if true) would be an additional consideration on top of the fact that Superman just got wrapped up fighting a god of Thunder who has eldritch energy coursing through him. Id like to see the proof that Iron Man was enhanced. Bottom line is it would affect Superman but not very much.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Id like to see the proof that Iron Man was enhanced. Bottom line is it would affect Superman but not very much.

Talk to the guy who posted it (and if you note what I posted, i mentioned if true ...and also note that i gave the fight with Thor precedence. PLUS I also mentioned the other event that occured in a DC/Marvel cross over concerning the lasers. PLUS the detonations Superman has experienced in the past, ranging from Island devastating nuke attacks while Kal is poisoned with Kryptonite ...easy scans to get, to him absorbing far greater blasts in space. If you want to see the scans head over to the Superman Respect thread).

As for it affecting Superman ....well, if you take a small bead, put it into an empty BIC pen tube (a pea shooter), and blow it at my exposed arm.
Will I feel it?
Yes, I will notice it.
Will it be of any consequence?
Not unless I am made of cotton-candy, and even then it would still be doubtful.

Same thing.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Talk to the guy who posted it (and if you note what I posted, i mentioned if true ...and also note that i gave the fight with Thor precedence. PLUS I also mentioned the other event that occured in a DC/Marvel cross over concerning the lasers. PLUS the detonations Superman has experienced in the past, ranging from Island devastating nuke attacks while Kal is poisoned with Kryptonite ...easy scans to get, to him absorbing far greater blasts in space. If you want to see the scans head over to the Superman Respect thread).

As for it affecting Superman ....well, if you take a small bead, put it into an empty BIC pen tube (a pea shooter), and blow it at my exposed arm.
Will I feel it?
Yes, I will notice it.
Will it be of any consequence?
Not unless I am made of cotton-candy, and even then it would still be doubtful.

Same thing. Comparing a bead in a pea shooter to an Iron Man blast is ridiculous. I see your analogy but it failed.