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galan_mad_jim_jaspers vs. galan_lt

Living Tribunal

LT easily

Jaspers/Fury just got embarassed by Exiles

I am partially basing this off of Mr Master's ranking system on the Cosmics. So I thot "why not" and made this thread.

i love MJJ but gay yellow man wins

LT stomps him into oblivion

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I am partially basing this off of Mr Master's ranking system on the Cosmics. So I thot "why not" and made this thread.
That beggining page is outdated. Currently the LT is second only to TOAA.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i love MJJ but gay yellow man wins ioriyagami

Originally posted by guy222
LT easily

LT definitely wins.

Originally posted by guy222
Jaspers/Fury just got embarassed by Exiles

But not because of that reason guy, or atleast it seems.

Something is going on that we haven't been made aware of yet,
that Jaspers that got handled by those heroes,
may not have truly been Jaspers:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7496/jjcw3.th.jpg

"One wears the Face & Form & memories of James Jaspers,
his companions wear the Form ... of the entity called Fury,

Neither of them is precisely what they seem,

but that revelation is for another time"

Originally posted by Air Legend
That beggining page is outdated. Currently the LT is second only to TOAA.

lets face it everyone is getting depowered.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I am partially basing this off of Mr Master's ranking system on the Cosmics. So I thot "why not" and made this thread.
Originally posted by Air Legend
That beggining page is outdated. Currently the LT is second only to TOAA.

Yea this is a more well informed current hierarchy list, imo.


THOTI
The LT & Scathanpis (from GOTG #50)
The Alien Entity
The BeyonderS
Edifice Rex
Jaspers 616? (depends if he's at classic level or not ... we'll know soon)
Jamie Braddock
Merlyn (if at classic levels - we'll know soon)
Havok/Nexus (if still applicable)
Captain Britain (wielding the Sword/Amulet)
Meggan (potentially)
Vangaard
Masters of the Matrix
Eternity/Infinity/Umar

the Brothers are somewhere in this list,
but I'm not exactly sure where to place them.

The 2 Brothers are the embodiment and creators of an entire Megaverse each.

A Megaverse is a collection of entire infinite MultiverseS.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The 2 Brothers are the embodiment and creators of an entire Megaverse each.
Actualy they are the "Architects" and Gaurdians of said Megaverses. Though that's nothing to laugh at, considering it should put them significantly above Eternity in power.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actualy they are the "Architects" and Gaurdians of said Megaverses.

True.

Imo, I think they embody those Megaverses aswell,
because they are a direct spin off of the Brothers from Marvel vs DC,
and those Brothers created & emcompassed both companies supposedly.

The "Architects" gives them a relation to being the creators of said Megaverses,
and the "Guradians" gives them an association of depth with said Megaverses.

And just like the original Brothers,
these Brothers exist in endless conflict with each other:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5845/lt1uy9.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9798/lt2ks6.th.jpg

Originally posted by King Kandy
it should put them significantly above Eternity in power.

I agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea this is a more well informed current hierarchy list, imo.


THOTI
The LT & Scathanpis (from GOTG #50)
The Alien Entity
The BeyonderS
Edifice Rex
Jaspers 616? (depends if he's at classic level or not ... we'll know soon)
Jamie Braddock
Merlyn (if at classic levels - we'll know soon)
Havok/Nexus (if still applicable)
Captain Britain (wielding the Sword/Amulet)
Meggan (potentially)
Vangaard
Masters of the Matrix
Eternity/Infinity/Umar

the Brothers are somewhere in this list,
but I'm not exactly sure where to place them.

The 2 Brothers are the embodiment and creators of an entire Megaverse each.

A Megaverse is a collection of entire infinite MultiverseS.
Well if you include THOTI, I don't see why not include Classic Beyonder and MM. 313

I'd put Classic Beyonder tied or one down from the HOTI and Classic MM one below Beyonder.

Originally posted by Mr Master
True.

Imo, I think they embody those Megaverses aswell,
because they are a direct spin off of the Brothers from Marvel vs DC,
and those Brothers created & emcompassed both companies supposedly.

The "Architects" gives them a relation to being the creators of said Megaverses,
and the "Guradians" gives them an association of depth with said Megaverses.

And just like the original Brothers,
these Brothers exist in endless conflict with each other:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5845/lt1uy9.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9798/lt2ks6.th.jpg
Well Architect can have multiple interpretations, since architects don't physicaly build things, but rather design them... Gaurdians definatly doesn't mean embodyment. Of course, if they are supposed to be as similar as possible, then they would be embodyments, but they don't seem to be, considering Marvel has no "DC Reality."

But it doesn't really matter since we both agree that they have Megaversal power.

why does LT have to be such a silly design (imo) i mean hes got all this power yet hes a lame yellow dude, at least MJJ is a cool old guy with character altho hes a little crazy, but still LT is like a cold yellow man that seems not to have anything of his own personality or motives

Originally posted by Burning thought
why does LT have to be such a silly design (imo) i mean hes got all this power yet hes a lame yellow dude, at least MJJ is a cool old guy with character altho hes a little crazy, but still LT is like a cold yellow man that seems not to have anything of his own personality or motives

thats because he hasn't got any his sole purpose is to serve TOAA and ensure that the Omniverse is kept in check.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea this is a more well informed current hierarchy list, imo.


THOTI
The LT & Scathanpis (from GOTG #50)
The Alien Entity
The BeyonderS
Edifice Rex
Jaspers 616? (depends if he's at classic level or not ... we'll know soon)
Jamie Braddock
Merlyn (if at classic levels - we'll know soon)
Havok/Nexus (if still applicable)
Captain Britain (wielding the Sword/Amulet)
Meggan (potentially)
Vangaard
Masters of the Matrix
Eternity/Infinity/Umar

the Brothers are somewhere in this list,
but I'm not exactly sure where to place them.

The 2 Brothers are the embodiment and creators of an entire Megaverse each.

A Megaverse is a collection of entire infinite MultiverseS.

A few things master.

Why isn't HoM wanda on the list?

Secondly what have placed Merlyn above Captain Britain and Havok?

Isn't Jamie Braddock and Jaspers Tied?

hm yes i thought as much, i know he doesnt but i think its a shame which is why i dont like him, or TOAA since TOAA is just a embodiment of Marvel

Originally posted by Burning thought
hm yes i thought as much, i know he doesnt but i think its a shame which is why i dont like him, or TOAA since TOAA is just a embodiment of Marvel

Well thats the way it works and TOAA is the embodiment of the writers to be correct.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Well if you include THOTI, I don't see why not include Classic Beyonder and MM.

My bad, I shouldn't've included THOTI,
I wanted to make that mini list current.

Originally posted by Air Legend
I'd put Classic Beyonder tied or one down from the HOTI and Classic MM one below Beyonder.



Originally posted by King Kandy
Well Architect can have multiple interpretations, since architects don't physicaly build things, but rather design them... Gaurdians definatly doesn't mean embodyment. Of course, if they are supposed to be as similar as possible, then they would be embodyments, but they don't seem to be, considering Marvel has no "DC Reality."

But it doesn't really matter since we both agree that they have Megaversal power.

Absolutely.

Originally posted by Utrigita
A few things master.

Why isn't HoM wanda on the list?

I was trying to make the list current, I included THOTI, mistake.

I'm not sure on Wanda's current level,
we have some indications, but nothing 100% concrete yet.
Exoduscloak is gathering great updated info,
but nothing conclusive as to Wanda's actual current powerset.

On an all out list, HOM Wanda would definitely be near the top, top.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Secondly what have placed Merlyn above Captain Britain and Havok?

Theoretically they should be equals, I agree.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Isn't Jamie Braddock and Jaspers Tied?

The edge goes to Jamie.

Jamie part-took in Jaspers' current resurrection/merger.
Jamie has also demonstrated a greater range of influence with his power,
like warping the void-like WHR, which is connected to the Multiversal nexus Mkraan.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I was trying to make the list current, I included THOTI, mistake.

I'm not sure on Wanda's current level,
we have some indications, but nothing 100% concrete yet.
Exoduscloak is gathering great updated info,
but nothing conclusive as to Wanda's actual current powerset.

On an all out list, HOM Wanda would definitely be near the top, top.

Thought so.

Theoretically they should be equals, I agree.

Shouldn't they also be more powerful then Merlyn I know he have done a lot but if you are placing you characters based on what the current status is right now where we isn't sure if he kept the power of the matrix, and if he didn't then IMO he shouldn't be up there.

The edge goes to Jamie.

Jamie part-took in Jaspers' current resurrection/merger.
Jamie has also demonstrated a greater range of influence with his power,
like warping the void-like WHR, which is connected to the Multiversal nexus Mkraan.

Okay It was just because you put Jaspers over Jamie thats all

Jaime>Jaspers

A Jamie vs. Jaspers fight would be badass.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Shouldn't they also be more powerful then Merlyn I know he have done a lot but if you are placing you characters based on what the current status is right now where we isn't sure if he kept the power of the matrix, and if he didn't then IMO he shouldn't be up there.

I agree, but that's yet to be seen.

Merlyn made it seem as though the Matrix link was really broken,
cutting him off from his primary power source,
but then in the last issue of Excalibur's run,
Merlyn makes it seem as though everything the team has done,
has been a direct result of his machinations/manipulations.

So would Merlyn truly allow the team to destroy his source pf power?
Or did Merlyn just allow them to think that?

I'm not 100% sure, but Merlyn's bio also alludes to the idea:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/616/merid9.th.jpg
"Perhaps as Merlyn had intended"
.........................................................................................

By the end of the Die by the Sword arc,
we should get some detail on current Merlyn.

Although, I did enjoy this taste of Merlyn's status:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9280/mer2ri9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay It was just because you put Jaspers over Jamie thats all

I just noticed. Fixed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
A Jamie vs. Jaspers fight would be badass.

LT for the win most definetly.
but to play D.A.
cant mjj just give him self the same powers as protege?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
LT for the win most definetly.

Yep.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
but to play D.A.
cant mjj just give him self the same powers as protege?

Nah. (cause that would mean he can make himself more powerful than he is)
Giving himself Protege's power is akin to giving himself LT's power, and that's impossible.

There have been other cats that have been able to copy powers (ie. Mimic)
but none on Protege's unlimited scale.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yep.



Nah. (cause that would mean he can make himself more powerful than he is)
Giving himself Protege's power is akin to giving himself LT's power, and that's impossible.

There have been other cats that have been able to copy powers (ie. Mimic)
but none on Protege's unlimited scale.
was his(protege) power at the same lever as LT? i dont remeber if he attacked the abstracts after mimicking LT?
and is mjj not omniversal?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
was his(protege) power at the same lever as LT?

He atleast copied his power,
now whether he was able to wield that power completely remains unknown.
We know he owned Eternity & Hawkgod simultaneously with ease,
LT was there, but I can't tell if LT is getting owned too, or if he's just standing there.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i dont remeber if he attacked the abstracts after mimicking LT?

Here's the clip:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2040/gtrr0.th.jpg

That's it.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
and is mjj not omniversal?

JJ would've definitely remade the Omniverse according to Merlyn,
and JJ was actualy seen by Cobweb doing it in the Future,
This Future depended on whether Jaspers had been stopped by his plot device or not. (Fury)

LT stomps MJJ..
MJJ's biggest feat was warping a universe, LT turned the silver surfer into a universe just to give him a moment of godhood, and he has tons feats more.. like nullifying the effects of the IG (which IMO IG>MJJ) with a gesture and recreating the abstracts instantly after they were destroyed by the IG

Originally posted by Mr Master
He atleast copied his power,
now whether he was able to wield that power completely remains unknown.
We know he owned Eternity & Hawkgod simultaneously with ease,
LT was there, but I can't tell if LT is getting owned too, or if he's just standing there.



Here's the clip:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2040/gtrr0.th.jpg

That's it.



JJ would've definitely remade the Omniverse according to Merlyn,
and JJ was actualy seen by Cobweb doing it in the Future,
This Future depended on whether Jaspers had been stopped by his plot device or not. (Fury)
that does not look like after he mimicked the LTs powers. i seem to remeber him taking on the hood look after mimicking LT?
im asking becaus i belive if he had the full power of the LT. he would have killed the abtracts if and when he attacked. as we all know the LT is maney times more powerfull than all of them combined.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
that does not look like after he mimicked the LTs powers.

Actually Protege copied LT's powers in the prior issue at the end of #49
this scan is towards the end of #50

So that's a LT amped Protege right there.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i seem to remeber him taking on the hood look after mimicking LT?

In the next page after that scan Scathan disapproves,
two pages later, Protege has a celestial cosmic hood/globe around his head and hands.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
im asking becaus i belive if he had the full power of the LT. he would have killed the abtracts if and when he attacked. as we all know the LT is maney times more powerfull than all of them combined.

I agree.

But apparently, before he did too much damage to Eternity and company,
Scathan owned him with his disapproval.

Here's a question M:

Do you think that if Eternity would have tried to cover Protege's eyes (and hands), that it would have had the same effect?
Ie, with some sort of construct or something.

^ no Eternity would get blasted again

Does anyone know if the One Above All Celestrial ever battled anyone before?? And if so why?? Also MM do you think toaa Celestrial could copy what Scathan did since he is suppose to lead all Celestrials??

Mornin

TOAA(Celestial) encountered Thor aboard the Celestial mothership.
He also showed Thor a picture when Odin/Zeus bowed before Arishem.

Celestials bend time and space

IMO, could he copy Scathan powerset. Possibly. Remember Scathan is a Celestial from the future(Earth-691). TOAA is the leader of the Celestials. He's only appeared briefly