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Now that he knows the anti-life equation and is willing to use it.

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I think the panel where he has to warn Orion not to molest Darkseid ruined it for me. ermm

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
I think the panel where he has to warn Orion not to molest Darkseid ruined it for me. ermm Later in the comic, Mantis asked why he wasn't molested while he slept...

Everytime I seen darkseid recently somebody is making him look like a fool.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Everytime I seen darkseid recently somebody is making him look like a fool. DC thinks Nvr is a fanboy. This is their response.

AKA: 2007- the Darkseid rape age.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2076/29kp0hf8.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Later in the comic, Mantis asked why he wasn't molested while he slept... So I see.

Well, not being molested, that can be pretty traumatizing. I can see why Mr. M wouldn't allow Darkseid such pleasure.

Mister Miracle is pretty damn powerful with the ale. He made Darkseid look bad but who hasnt recently.

I think you're reading it wrong. Mr. Miracle couldn't make DS talk, even with the full ALE. And Scott realized he couldn't break DS's will.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think you're reading it wrong. Mr. Miracle couldn't make DS talk, even with the full ALE. And Scott realized he couldn't break DS's will.

I think Scott realized that Darkseid was talking like Bob Dole in referencing himself in the third person.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think you're reading it wrong. Mr. Miracle couldn't make DS talk, even with the full ALE. And Scott realized he couldn't break DS's will. That's because of his partial knowledge with the Ale... he still got punked though.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That's because of his partial knowledge with the Ale... he still got punked though. It had nothing to do with his will but his lvl for pain tolerance.

Nice scans.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I think Scott realized that Darkseid was talking like Bob Dole in referencing himself in the third person.


Dr. Doom does it alot as well.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think you're reading it wrong. Mr. Miracle couldn't make DS talk, even with the full ALE. And Scott realized he couldn't break DS's will. Becuz of his partial knowledge of the ale. Ds still froze though now didnt he. He was dealt with.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It had nothing to do with his will but his lvl for pain tolerance. Uh-huh... and he showed none of that...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh-huh... and he showed none of that...

Mr.Miracle had the ALE. he knew it was true. That is why he didn't waste his time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr.Miracle had the ALE. he knew it was true. That is why he didn't waste his time. Orion said that.
Plus, Scott isn't a violent ass hole, so instead he listened to Darkseid.

It also sounds weird when he had to question Darkseid...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Orion said that.
Plus, Scott isn't a violent ass hole, so instead he listened to Darkseid.

It also sounds weird when he had to question Darkseid...

The thing is, no one knows what is fully going on but Darkseid. Even the killer doesn't know what DS has up his sleeve. DS is going to take advantage of Death and somehow use it to become far more powerful. Hence, Final Crisis.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The thing is, no one knows what is fully going on but Darkseid. Even the killer doesn't know what DS has up his sleeve. DS is going to take advantage of Death and somehow use it to become far more powerful. Hence, Final Crisis. Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr.Miracle had the ALE. he knew it was true. That is why he didn't waste his time.

That last statement had nothing to do with the discussion, and is also extremely erroneous.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That last statement had nothing to do with the discussion, and is also extremely erroneous. Point?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Point? You didn't answer the point, and seemingly contradicted yourself.

Anyway... I can't wait to find out who the killer is. I can't place my finger on it... I was thinking Ares, or Chronos... don't know why...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You didn't answer the point, and seemingly contradicted yourself.

Anyway... I can't wait to find out who the killer is. I can't place my finger on it... I was thinking Ares, or Chronos... don't know why...

NO. It's someone close to the new gods. Someone who has helped them in the past. Takion asked why he'd betrayed them. And metron was perplexed and then wondered why he hadn't thought of it. Could be One of the Old Gods, Highfather, Infinity Man, or someone so obvious that it will just be like, oh shit of course. So obvious, we can't see it.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You didn't answer the point, and seemingly contradicted yourself.

Anyway... I can't wait to find out who the killer is. I can't place my finger on it... I was thinking Ares, or Chronos... don't know why...

Why Ares? Just curious to your line of reasoning, on another note it's cool to see DC doing a "murder mystery" of sorts on a cosmic scale.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. It's someone close to the new gods. Someone who has helped them in the past. Takion asked why he'd betrayed them. And metron was perplexed and then wondered why he hadn't thought of it. Could be One of the Old Gods, Highfather, Infinity Man, or someone so obvious that it will just be like, oh shit of course. So obvious, we can't see it.

What about Orion?

I know it seems bizarre... but that would put a whole new tilt on things.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Why Ares? Just curious to your line of reasoning, on another note it's cool to see DC doing a "murder mystery" of sorts on a cosmic scale. Because he looked like he had some wicked ass armor.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. It's someone close to the new gods. Someone who has helped them in the past. Takion asked why he'd betrayed them. And metron was perplexed and then wondered why he hadn't thought of it. Could be One of the Old Gods, Highfather, Infinity Man, or someone so obvious that it will just be like, oh shit of course. So obvious, we can't see it. BATMAN!
I mean, think of it.
Batman has wicked ass gear.
Metron didn't know he could steal souls before (however, it might be Batman 1 mill).
Batman would have I guess betrayed them.

Batman is the perfect choice, and if I'm right, I want money in vast quantities sent my way.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because he looked like he had some wicked ass armor.

BATMAN!
I mean, think of it.
Batman has wicked ass gear.
Metron didn't know he could steal souls before (however, it might be Batman 1 mill).
Batman would have I guess betrayed them.

Batman is the perfect choice, and if I'm right, I want money in vast quantities sent my way.
I know it better not be someone lame. Whom ever it is, I think they could be the reason mxy wanted to seal the 5th. But funny thing, Superman noticed that the killer had absorbed Takion's soul much cleaner and neater than barda's. So might be two killers?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I know it better not be someone lame. Whom ever it is, I think they could be the reason mxy wanted to seal the 5th. But funny thing, Superman noticed that the killer had absorbed Takion's soul much cleaner and neater than barda's. So might be two killers?

But... what if it was Orion? I mean if they put in some sort of plot device which allowed him to accomplish it.

Adam Warlock is also a viable character.

Originally posted by Kutulu
But... what if it was Orion? I mean if they put in some sort of plot device which allowed him to accomplish it.

Orion was with Mr. Miracle when takion was being murked.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Adam Warlock is also a viable character.



I don't know why I keep trying to look for clues about Orion being the possible character, maybe it's just because he seemingly acts dumb sometimes but he is Darkseid's son, and with that, he should have inherited at least some of Darkseid's genius. To top it off he's been a wielder of the ALE in the past, and recently they showed his demon face again, it just seemed like maybe it was some kind of hint.

Of course I'm probably totally off-base, but since it seems like it would have to be someone close to the new gods, Orion would fit the bill. Top it off with what seems like his increased rage levels recently. Just a thought. This would be with some kind of plot device which allowed him to be in two places at once, etc..

I mean it could be Himon for all we know, I just thought it would be a bizarre twist if it was Orion for some reason, allowing him to fulfill the prophecy of kill Darkseid for instance.

OK. I took some clips of the villain.
After minutes of grueling deductive research, and using the most of my brain, I figured out some not so obvious clues. I hope this helps.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/newgods.jpg

He's got a stick! I think it's either Johnny Cochran New God, or that old white guy, that was going to take over.
Plus, he's got a stick. Who has a stick?

It's Highfather, back from the dead.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
OK. I took some clips of the villain.
After minutes of grueling deductive research, and using the most of my brain, I figured out some not so obvious clues. I hope this helps.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/newgods.jpg

He's got a stick! I think it's either Johnny Cochran New God, or that old white guy, that was going to take over.
Plus, he's got a stick. Who has a stick?

From that scan he looks like a skinny fellow... mhmm

Also, here's the full scene in case anyone needs to review it.
Maybe you can find what I didn't...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/09-10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/11.jpg
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/13-1.jpg

I like this series actually. It's really thrown me for a loop, and opened speculation.
Jim Starlin must be laughing in his grave...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, here's the full scene in case anyone needs to review it.
Maybe you can find what I didn't...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/09-10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/12-1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/13-1.jpg

I like this series actually. It's really thrown me for a loop, and opened speculation.
Jim Starlin must be laughing in his grave...

That top part of the third pic looks like a big collar to me. As big as the one Black Racer had.

Originally posted by Kutulu
That top part of the third pic looks like a big collar to me. As big as the one Black Racer had. Interesting... I saw this after you pointed out the collar. I also though Scott, but then I realized that his boots don't match...

Also, I looked through a bunch of characters related to Darkseid, and found nothing.

This book is killling me... when does the next one come out?

Also...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003-1.jpg

From here:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003-1.jpg

From here:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003.jpg
that one looks like orion.... big bran....

I know who the sould stealer is!

It is starman!

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I know who the sould stealer is!

It is starman!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/starman_ver2.jpg

That murderer!

i ment this guy lol

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Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
I think the panel where he has to warn Orion not to molest Darkseid ruined it for me. ermm Yeah,
They had me at unmolested, and.... blood.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Interesting... I saw this after you pointed out the collar. I also though Scott, but then I realized that his boots don't match...

Also, I looked through a bunch of characters related to Darkseid, and found nothing.

This book is killling me... when does the next one come out?

Looked again about 10 more times, and realized that it wasn't a collar, looks more like the upper portion of his back (right below his arms being lifted). Based on other scans, definitely no collar.

Based upon http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003-1.jpg

He has a ridge on the top of his head, indicating that he is most likely wearing a helmet.

So let's see what we have so far:
- Ridged Helmet.
- Stick.
- Known ally of the New Gods.
- Male.
- No collar.

Infinity Man?? But theres no way he's powerful enough to kill Takion.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Looked again about 10 more times, and realized that it wasn't a collar, looks more like the upper portion of his back (right below his arms being lifted). Based on other scans, definitely no collar.

Based upon http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/NEWGODS-01003-1.jpg

He has a ridge on the top of his head, indicating that he is most likely wearing a helmet.

So let's see what we have so far:
- Ridged Helmet.
- Stick.
- Known ally of the New Gods.
- Male.
- No collar. Ah, so I guess he isn't really, really short...

He may or may not have a stick, as that scene may have very well been Black Racer on the wall... no sure though...

He also has a weird design on his boots as well.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Infinity Man?? But theres no way he's powerful enough to kill Takion. Well, Metron said that he didn't know this character had that sort of power.

Plus, the killer seems to be active judging by character statements, in DC.

im telling you it is starman

LOOK AT THE STICK!
The SHOES!

He could easily get a helmet somewhere

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ah, so I guess he isn't really, really short...

He may or may not have a stick, as that scene may have very well been Black Racer on the wall... no sure though...

He also has a weird design on his boots as well.

Well, Metron said that he didn't know this character had that sort of power.

Plus, the killer seems to be active judging by character statements, in DC.

Ok... something else I noticed when you mention the boots. I count 3 "rings" leading up to mid-calf.

For some reason, reminded me of this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/kirbyblog/jfkhfww.jpg

and also here, another example of 3 rings:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/yuga5.jpg

- Plus whoever it is, he's able to manipulate the source (to cut off Takion), I can't think of many other people that could build another source wall.

I know that Izaya has died and all, but what if he used an avatar, similar to how Darkseid uses avatars, and it was only his avatar that idied? It seems conceivable that a portion of him could still be existant within the source after he was killed by Ares.

Scary as it sounds, Highfather is someone who is a possible suspect. But would he really kill his own people?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Scary as it sounds, Highfather is someone who is a possible suspect. But would he really kill his own people?

Highfather was seen in the source while New Gods had been dying already. Tho the Superman batman time line is all screwy. Highfather also isn't powerful enough to outright pwn Takion or DS. And DS knows that death is coming. I gather someone is killing the new gods to save them from what ever Mxy was scared of also destroying the 5th dimension.

To say this was a bad showing for Darkseid is ridiculous.

He understands some portion of the Anti Life Equation - the only being in the universe ever to do so without being born with it (Billion Dollar Bates, Scott Free) or given it by another's will (Orion).

Even as Scott uses his immense power to disable Darkseid, Darkseid retains his mental faculties, proves that he knows more about the death of the New Gods than ANYONE from either New Genesis or Apokolips (Metron included), shows that he has a plan to turn it to his advantage, and makes it clear to all involved that his will cannot be broken no matter what is done to him.

That is actually a great character showing for him.

And the killer is Himon, probably in cahoots with Highfather and Infinity Man, those closest to the source.

Originally posted by Desaad
And the killer is Himon, probably in cahoots with Highfather and Infinity Man, those closest to the source.

At this point, it very well could be. And thank god someone understands the high character showing that not backing down from the full ALE is. Scott backed down because he knew he couldn't break Darkseid's will.

Originally posted by Desaad
And the killer is Himon, probably in cahoots with Highfather and Infinity Man, those closest to the source.

Agreed. Himon is the only person who has gained from this, not to mention that with Metron and Takion unavailable he now controls all information NG has about the Source.

I don't think Highfather is involved though.

Well I can certainly understand why he's killing off the New Gods, I'd be pretty annoyed had I gone to all that trouble of doing all of that and didn't even register on Metrons suspect list. ermm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Agreed. Himon is the only person who has gained from this, not to mention that with Metron and Takion unavailable he now controls all information NG has about the Source.

I don't think Highfather is involved though.

Himon's boots don't have the three rings though.

The other reason why I think Izaya is behind this is because of this scan:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/09-10.jpg

Takion specifically calls out to the source (where Izaya would be hiding) and a few pages later, meets who the killer is.