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Who prevails?

White Phoenix EASILY

Phoenix!

Abraxas takes this!

Phoenix

Abarxas.

Abraxas

Abraxas' purpose is to collpase/fold all Reality.
Abraxas collapses UniverseS without even trying, he only needs to get near one.
Indeed, in the arc he collapsed many UniverseS.
Abraxas demonstrated he can affect reality,
withIN all Realities of the Infinite Multiverse simultaneously.
Abraxas actually extracted Uatu's memory, (he couldn't even remember his own name)
Abraxas made Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse) summon Reed to ask him for help.

*off-topic side note* Reed became the next Eternity in the Earth-X Trilogy:
(I'll be posting those scans in my thread soon)
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Abraxas ft easy w.

Let's not forget that he killed Roma as well

White Phoenix destroyed an alternate universe with telekinesis

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
White Phoenix destroyed an alternate universe with telekinesis
Actually it was fire, and it was in a "What If" issue.

Abraxas wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it was fire, and it was in a "What If" issue.

Which What if issue? Fire, TK, doesn't really matter with the end result.
There have already been some issues with Phoenix destroying an Universe (so it shouldn' be coincidence anymore).
It was this, then when DP destroyed an AU and in What If Vulcan with PF it was said then he would consume reality=universe.
And all was done extremely easily. It was all an ''What if'' issues, but I have not doubt that also in Marvel continuity Phoenix would have no trouble doing that.
And if WPOTC did that, couldn't actually that be counted as actually happening.

Abraxas still takes this.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Which What if issue? Fire, TK, doesn't really matter with the end result.
The end result is the same,
but the manner in which one reaches those results is different.

The Phoenix Force didn't take that "What if" Reality apart by TK,
instead, it began to spread from the city, to the state, to the country to the Planet,
and so on and so on,
until the fire expanded into space and continued until that Reality was consumed.

Nice ... had it just not been a "What if"
Originally posted by Xplosive
There have already been some issues with Phoenix destroying an Universe
(so it shouldn' be coincidence anymore).
No there hasn't. ... Only in a "What if"

"What if's" are not referenced anywhere, on panel or bios,
as though they never happened.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It was this,
then when DP destroyed an AU
"What if" (it really isn't the same thing)
Originally posted by Xplosive
and in What If Vulcan with PF it was said then he would consume reality=universe.
You're counting on a "statement" made in a "What if"
but then you're ignoring a cat like Vulcan rampaging through the WHR,
killing all the Phoenix avatars , stripping the Force from others,
even usurping the power of the Force, in the same "What if"

Do you know who Vulcan is, or his powerset?

All that talk, including Vulcan's feat is a bunch of nonsense.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And all was done extremely easily.
The only thing that was done easily was Vulcan's abuse of the avatars and the Force.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It was all an ''What if'' issues,
but I have not doubt that also in Marvel continuity
Phoenix would have no trouble doing that.
That's cool, but for me, until it happens on panel, I can't agree.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And if WPOTC did that, couldn't actually that be counted as actually happening.
Did what?
Originally posted by Xplosive
Abraxas still takes this.
I agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No there hasn't. ... Only in a "What if"

And I meant ''What if'' issues.


Originally posted by Mr Master
The only thing that was done easily was Vulcan's abuse of the avatars and the Force.

Aha, and everything he did, he did it because of his powers?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're counting on a "statement" made in a "What if"
but then you're ignoring a cat like Vulcan rampaging through the WHR,
killing all the Phoenix avatars , stripping the Force from others,
even usurping the power of the Force, in the same "What if"

Do you know who Vulcan is, or his powerset?

All that talk, including Vulcan's feat is a bunch of nonsense.

The only thing that was done easily was Vulcan's abuse of the avatars and the Force.

Vulcan is powerful, but not of highest order (although it was said that potentially rivals Galactus himself).

I didn't see any embarrassment. He didn't embarrass PF (I think you are the only one who sees that way) and only what would happen that actually Vulcan with PF would destroy himself as well as reality, but PF would be ok. But he would do that with PF, of course.
Everything he destroyed, he destroyed because of PF and did it easily.

And, Mr Master, I really can't see how can't you see that Jean allowed that.
Jean allowed him to torn pieces of PF from others. Jean was the one who opened a portal for Havok and Rachel.
All happened so that Vulcan with ''ultimate'' power won't get what he ultimately wanted, being loved.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And I meant ''What if'' issues.
Cool.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Aha, and everything he did, he did it because of his powers?
Who else's?
Originally posted by Xplosive
Vulcan is powerful,
but not of highest order
(although it was said that potentially rivals Galactus himself).
Don't believe the forum hype.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I didn't see any embarrassment.
He didn't embarrass PF (I think you are the only one who sees that way)
and only what would happen that actually Vulcan with PF would destroy himself as well as reality,
but PF would be ok.
But he would do that with PF, of course.
Everything he destroyed, he destroyed because of PF and did it easily.
It doesn't matter, he still usurped the power like nothing.
And it wasn't given to him, it was drawn to him and he took it by force.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And, Mr Master, I really can't see how can't you see that Jean allowed that.
Jean allowed him to torn pieces of PF from others. Jean was the one who opened a portal for Havok and Rachel.
All happened so that Vulcan with ''ultimate'' power won't get what he ultimately wanted, being loved.
Is that what you saw, as you wish.

In the book,

Vulcan lost control of the Force because it reacts poorly to negative emotions:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3052/91547431qc4.th.jpg



And even from this fragile state, it was Vulcan that saved everyone, Not Jean:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6986/46446055yg3.th.jpg
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It is not stated anywhere, that Vulcan was allowed to do this by Phoenix.

WPOTC is capable without aid from the UN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who else's?

When he began his path with destroying galaxies and others (Shi'ar Empire, Kree Empire, AW),... it was because of PF.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It is not stated anywhere, that Vulcan was allowed to do this by Phoenix.

It wasn't, but I think it wasn't needed. I think, it was just obvious.
How else he could usurped the PF (also tearing it from Rachel)? Why others can't? He still had the full PF, yet, the portal still opened for the two to escape (it wasn't said how or shown by whom, but it's obvious it was by Jean).
Some things you cannot just take only literally and completely what it is shown in the comic.
You know it can't work that way.

Originally posted by Xplosive
When he began his path with destroying galaxies and others (Shi'ar Empire, Kree Empire, AW),... it was because of PF.
It was because of the PF,
which Vulcan took by force,
from everyone including the Force itself.

That's why it's a "What if" ... cause it's a joke.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It wasn't, but I think it wasn't needed. I think, it was just obvious.
How else he could usurped the PF (also tearing it from Rachel)? Why others can't? He still had the full PF, yet, the portal still opened for the two to escape (it wasn't said how or shown by whom, but it's obvious it was by Jean).
Some things you cannot just take only literally and completely what it is shown in the comic.
You know it can't work that way.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Is that what you saw, as you wish.

In the book,

Vulcan lost control of the Force because it reacts poorly to negative emotions:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3052/91547431qc4.th.jpg



And even from this fragile state, it was Vulcan that saved everyone, Not Jean:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6986/46446055yg3.th.jpg
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It is not stated anywhere, that Vulcan was allowed to do this by Phoenix.
A joke.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it was fire, and it was in a "What If" issue.

I said WHITE PHOENIX not PHOENIX FORCE

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
I said WHITE PHOENIX not PHOENIX FORCE
Cool. But White Phoenix never destroyed an alternate universe,
or any universe for that matter.

Yes she did.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Yes she did.
Really? Tell me when/where?

Phoenix wins.

WPOTC FTP.

I would say Abraxas

Abraxas for the win.

Originally posted by Galan007
Phoenix wins.
G,
Atleast throw us a "shifty" smilie to let the innocents know you're joking.
They'l take you serious you know.


Oh, and Abraxas takes this in a stomp. (for the innocents)

Originally posted by Mr Master
G,
Atleast throw us a "shifty" smilie to let the innocents know you're joking.
They'l take you serious you know.


Oh, and Abraxas takes this in a stomp. (for the innocents)

These "innocents" are entitled to their opinion. This is not a stomp.

Originally posted by Sundipped
These "innocents" are entitled to their opinion.
Right or wrong, I agree.
I never said the "innocents" couldn't post their opinions though.

I told brother G to let the "innocents" know he's joking,
lest he's taken seriously.

The "innocents" themselves can post any ignorance they wish,
but it's upto well informed cats to help them,
now whether they take heed or not is on them.
Originally posted by Sundipped
This is not a stomp.
Multiversal power, vs ... a Universal power.

Abraxas wins in a Stomp.

Where is it stated that Phoenix isn't multiversal?
How is just being a multiversal (not fundamental) aspect going to grant an automatic win. This fight is only going to take place in 1 universe.

Look at johnny firecracker...he can cause an explosion the size and effect of a firecracker....in every universe thru out the multiverse..the omniverse actually.he is multiversal..no he is omniversal......he is the ubber...noone with universal power can defeat him......right.....right.........nope...wrong

Funny thing is noone cares about what level of power one has, just that he has it. just cause soneone or something is multiversal and they go head to head with a universal power does not equal victory...so sad

Originally posted by Mr Master
G,
Atleast throw us a "shifty" smilie to let the innocents know you're joking. That's so God damn elitist, it's awesome.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Where is it stated that Phoenix isn't multiversal?
Should I blow up the thread with 20 scans stating Phoenix is a universal force of nature?"
Say the word.
Originally posted by Sundipped
How is just being a multiversal (not fundamental) aspect going to grant an automatic win.
What?

Anyway, (they've never battled of course but)
Abraxas wins cause he's proven to be far more powerful than Phoenix.
(feat by feat and/or plus statements that hold weight, that's all we have to go by)

btw. Abraxas is a Multiversal force of nature.
He's the opposite of Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse)
"Multi" - Eternity who appeared summoning Reed's help during the Abraxas arc.
Originally posted by Sundipped
This fight is only going to take place in 1 universe.
In that 1 universe Abraxas stomps Phoenix, easily.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That's so God damn elitist, it's awesome.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Should I blow up the thread with 20 scans stating Phoenix is a universal force of nature?"
Say the word.

Nah. Doesn't mean Abraxas could beat WPOTC anyway. Battle takes place only in 616. Who cares? The PF itself is multiversal. It found avatars Girbraud and Jean in 2 different universes.




Why because he killed alternate Galactus? Galactus's who don't even compare or = to 616 version because the UN is only an aspect of the 616 version?




Doesn't matter. He can still be beaten.




Eternity wanted to summon help, WPOTC would kick his ass and ask questions latter.



Abraxas fails. If need be Jean can locate the UN on Big G's ship, summon it to the battlefield, and fire it with telekinesis before Big G even knew it was gone.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Nah. Doesn't mean Abraxas could beat WPOTC anyway.
Battle takes place only in 616. Who cares?
Abraxas stomps WCP in any reality the battle takes place.
Originally posted by Sundipped
The PF itself is multiversal.
It found avatars Girbraud and Jean in 2 different universes.
You're kiddin right?
Originally posted by Sundipped
Why because he killed alternate Galactus?
Besides that, he collapsed every Universe those Galactus' were killed in,
he also continued to collapse more UniverseS:


Here's NINE Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas:


http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7061/35029126hu5.th.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7800/50184278yu8.th.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2927/69116273or2.th.jpg

"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"

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This is aside from these UniverseS Abraxas collapsed:


http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8695/0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.th.jpg

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Meh,

And Abraxas only needs to approach UniverseS to collapse them:
(he doesn't even need to attack or enter said Realities )

(the Multiverse in fact)

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

"creatures of the Multiverse Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself

This ... is what brings Abraxas" (like I said, just by approaching)

Originally posted by Sundipped
Galactus's who don't even compare or = to 616 version
because the UN is only an aspect of the 616 version?
Abraxas did alot more than go around slaying every Galactus he visited.

Here's a true trans-Multiversal feat:

Killing every alternate Reed Richards across "The Realities" simultaneously,

with a gesture:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3452/0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
Doesn't matter. He can still be beaten.
Absolutely, by a power that can Re-make the Prime Multiverse.

Which isn't Phoenix who can't even repair a Timeline without the WHR.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Eternity wanted to summon help,
WPOTC would kick his ass and ask questions latter.
Right,
cause WCP would succeed
where the manifested power of the entire Multiverse would fail.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Abraxas fails.
If need be Jean can locate the UN on Big G's ship,
summon it to the battlefield,
and fire it with telekinesis before Big G even knew it was gone.
Sarcasm ... it's cool, its cool, I also have a sense of humor.

Here are some Bio excerpts to confirm my posts which only contain the On Panel evidence:


(reference-Official Marvel Handbook 2006 - Abraxas bio)

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How Abraxas folds/collapses Universes:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4069/ab1mn4.th.jpg

"While Abraxas drew near,
the walls of dimensional space began to blur" (fold/collapse)

It goes on to explain the ramifications of Abraxas approaching Reality.

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We shouldn't be surprised ... it's his Job:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9650/ab2ym8.th.jpg

Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"

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Evidently, only a power UN-like can defeat Abraxas:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7678/ab3rl1.th.jpg

"Realizing the danger Abraxas posed,
the FF went on a Dimension-hopping journey to recover the UN,
the One weapon that could destroy him"

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Indeed, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) stated the same thing On Panel:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1483/roma1fh6.th.jpg

Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"

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Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2953/u1ok8.th.jpg

Galactus: "But This Time, This Day can end ONLY one way"

Reed: "Yes .... God help me, I can see that now"

Phoenix no question

Originally posted by JackieCD
Phoenix no question
Holy crap a female posted.

Unless mmm

Abraxas

Phoenix