Infinity Gems used by a team vs Infinity Gems used by One person

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golem370
Who can win?

Power Gem- Exitar

Space Gem- Eternity

Reality Gem- Mad Jim Jaspers

Soul Gem- Walker

Time Gem- Chronos

Mind Gem- Uatu

vs

Adam Warlock/w IG

Galan007
iirc,
Individual Gems cannot be fully exploited, unless they are used together -- So Warlock /w/ a complete IG, should take this... imo

kevdude
Warlock takes it..

Priest
Originally posted by Galan007
iirc,
Individual Gems cannot be fully exploited, unless they are used together -- So Warlock /w/ a complete IG, should take this... imo
bbbingo

quanchi112
Originally posted by Galan007
iirc,
Individual Gems cannot be fully exploited, unless they are used together -- So Warlock /w/ a complete IG, should take this... imo I agree. By the way love the avatar. He looks very cool now.

Utrigita
Warlock w/ig ftw IMO

lordboo
warlock wins

King Kandy
The team should win. MJJ can rival the IG WITHOUT gems.

Galan007
Originally posted by King Kandy
The team should win. MJJ can rival the IG WITHOUT gems. MJJ gets his mind fried. srsly

Utrigita
Originally posted by Galan007
MJJ gets his mind fried. srsly

Gets teleported to Un-space, most likely yes, Doesn't the IG make one God beneath the LT not beneath MJJ...

Galan007
Originally posted by Utrigita
Gets teleported to Un-space, most likely yes, Doesn't the IG make one God beneath the LT not beneath MJJ... thumb up .

King Kandy
Originally posted by Galan007
MJJ gets his mind fried. srsly
How? MJJ's mind is unbelievably powerful.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Utrigita
Doesn't the IG make one God beneath the LT not beneath MJJ...
No. It was never said to do either.

Galan007
Originally posted by King Kandy
How? MJJ's mind is unbelievably powerful. True.

But more powerful than the mind gem -- it is not. smile

Utrigita
Originally posted by King Kandy
No. It was never said to do either.

So MJJ is going to win against a person that knows his every move erm excuse me but I find that highly unlikely, and in theory every weakness.

Btw. I think we can agree on that the only real threat is MJJ but thats ofcause only IMO smile

Mr Master
Imo, MJJ's mind is far beyond the Mind Gem alone.

MJJ vs the IG would be a great battle,
but ultimately, the IG would win.

IG makes one "god" beneath the LT.

No, this was never stated exactly like this,
but the fact is,
the IG does make one "god" (no arguing that)
LT proved and was confirmed to be more powerful than the IG,
so this is why it's known,
IG makes one "god" beneath the LT. smile
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But one could argue MJJ was a "god" too withIN his warp.
MJJ had absolute control of all aspects of Reality withIN his warp, just like the IG.

But Imo, the IG would allow it's wielder to pull a Fury move on Jaspers,
and that's how the IG wins.

Now the interesting circumstance would be,
say there's no cheese move (bfr to un-space)
then what? hm (now that's a debate)

King Kandy
Well Jaspers has the reality Gem so he might be able to still function in Un-space.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well Jaspers has the reality Gem so he might be able to still function in Un-space.
I didn't even notice ... you got a real point there K.

A cat like Jaspers is the right candidate to harness the Reality Gem especially.
This would give him the power to create from nothingness. smile

This plot just thickened.

Theoretically the IG should still win,
but based on history, Jaspers wins. (actually even without the Gem, with no bfr though)

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't even notice ... you got a real point there K.

A cat like Jaspers is the right candidate to harness the Reality Gem especially.
This would give him the power to create from nothingness. smile

This plot just thickened.

Theoretically the IG should still win,
but based on history, Jaspers wins. (actually even without the Gem, with no bfr though)

In the previous post you said that ultimately the IG would win now MJJ would win no matter if he have the Gem ore not...

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
In the previous post you said that ultimately the IG would win
now MJJ would win no matter if he have the Gem ore not...
Originally posted by Mr Master

Theoretically the IG should still win,
but based on history, Jaspers wins.
(actually even without the Gem, with no bfr though)
Jaspers demonstrated more power on panel than the IG.
But I still believe the IG should be above Jaspers,
in the hierarchy I put Jaspers above the IG because of feats.
Although, the IG had some mind blowing feats aswell, don't get me wrong. smile

King Kandy
What did Jaspers do that put him above the IG?

Galan007
I expect something about the Omniverse being brought up. ( roll eyes (sarcastic) )

Thorion
Warlock teleports them to a empty void with no reality. He then proceeds to punk MJJ Fury style. He then murderizes the rest with a wave of his hand.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
What did Jaspers do that put him above the IG?
Merlyn attempted to interfere (hands on) in the 238 Universe,
Merlyn stated his "abilities were thwarted" by Jaspers 238.

So already,
we have the ridiculously powerful Matrix/Merlyn < Jaspers 238 > Jaspers 616.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3931/52155861jr9.th.jpg

That should be enough.
(Imo, matrix/Merlyn at the very least = the IG, based on feats though Merlyn >>> IG)


But we also have Cobweb,
who is psychically connected to her Past & Future selves,
Cobweb saw into a Future-self of hers,
where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury (Jaspers' plot device to lose)
who witnessed Jaspers collapsing the entire Omniverse.

It was a reality that never came to pass,
but is there speculation whether or not Jaspers could or would do this?

Not at all,
because what Cobweb saw was through the eyes of a self of hers existing in this future,
that depended on Fury for it to come or not into fruition.
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Jaspers did much more but that's the big show as they say.
Originally posted by Galan007
I expect something about the Omniverse being brought up.
glare

Mr Master
Originally posted by Thorion
Warlock teleports them to a empty void with no reality.
He then proceeds to punk MJJ Fury style.
Unfortunately Jaspers is in possession of the Reality Gem in this particular battle,
simple bfr will not work.

Jaspers can create Reality to use, with the Gem. smile

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
glare evillaugh

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
evillaugh
pfft

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
But one could argue MJJ was a "god" too withIN his warp.
MJJ had absolute control of all aspects of Reality withIN his warp, just like the IG.

He certainly was God within his warp just like Agamotto is a God within his pocket Dimension, but Agamotto is only the supreme ruler of the said dimension until a more powerful being is capable of wrestling the control over the said warp ore Pocket universe from the "supreme being".

And it is only within his reality that he has complete control over all aspects teleport him outside his warp should in theory be enough to lower his control over the other aspects.

Btw when have we seen that MJJ had all the powers of the IG? I'm no expert on the IG but it would make sense that there is a definitive difference between the Gems els they wouldn't be required would they...

But Imo, the IG would allow it's wielder to pull a Fury move on Jaspers,
and that's how the IG wins.


I think there are more ways for the IG to win.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
He certainly was God within his warp just like Agamotto is a God within his pocket Dimension, but Agamotto is only the supreme ruler of the said dimension until a more powerful being is capable of wrestling the control over the said warp ore Pocket universe from the "supreme being".
Ut. never again compare Aggy to Jaspers. smile
Aggy is a fart in the wind in Jaspers' air.

As for your analogy,
Matrix/Merlin (Omniversal power)
tried to "wrestle the control over said warp" (of 238 Jaspers no less)

guess what happened:
Originally posted by Mr Master

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3931/52155861jr9.th.jpg

So already,
we have the ridiculously powerful Matrix/Merlyn < Jaspers 238 > Jaspers 616.


Based on feats ... Matrix/Merlin >>>> IG
heck, I remember Merlin allowing team Excalibur to harness a portion of the Matrix,
Brian was able to literally rebuild the Mutliverse in its entirety.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And it is only within his reality that he has complete control over all aspects teleport him outside his warp should in theory be enough to lower his control over the other aspects.
Everyone always makes that sound so easy ...

"teleport him out of his warp" ... or ... "bfr to un-space"
(a walk in the park that Jaspers will simply allow right?) no

Fury was only able to do that cause Fury was basically immune to Jaspers' warp.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Btw when have we seen that MJJ had all the powers of the IG?
I'm no expert on the IG but it would make sense that there is a definitive difference between the Gems els they wouldn't be required would they...
Jaspers controls Reality absolutely ... the IG gives one control over Reality completely.

Reality in it's basic form is Time/Space,
everything else is an extra component that completes a balanced universe
(like Chaos/Order(structure)Galactus/Inbetweener(balance)and Death/Oblivion(consonance)

All these conceptual ideas are part of Reality,
and everything existing withIN Time/Space is part of Reality.
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The only boost the Reality Gem would give Jaspers is the power to create from nothing.

Which means the cheesy "bfr" move is out of the question.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I think there are more ways for the IG to win.
Not imo,
I'd say stalemate just cause I respect the IG so much.

Theoretically though, imo, IG should take the majority,
but Jaspers was also never defeated (other than Fury) and proved himself as an uber "god"
just like the IG makes one unquestionably.

It's really a tuff call to be honest.

King Kandy
Well how about Jasper's having low showings in die by the sword?

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well how about Jasper's having low showings in die by the sword?
What low showing?

Even that Jaspers was never defeated by any other than the so-called Fury-Prime.

If you're talking about Jaspers allowing himself to get pummelled,
you should know he likes doing that, the cat is insane,
(even in the classic Jaspers saga, Brian went through the same thing more or less)
but we have to notice how he immediately strikes back,
and owns all,
as if the "pummelling" never took place to begin with.

Also, as we know, Jaspers had a ridiculous feat in that arc,
he wiped out a near-infinite amount of Captain Britain alternates.
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Most of those Heroes that survived, shouldn't have ever lived,
but they're "Heroes" and they gotta continue,
but each of those Alternate CB, had a greater durability than nearly all others there,
and Jaspers killed nearly all of them (every CB in the Omniverse) with a wave of his hand.
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Bah, I rather stick to classic JJ though,
because I'm still not absolutely sure what is going on with the result of that arc.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ut. never again compare Aggy to Jaspers. smile
Aggy is a fart in the wind in Jaspers' air.

I know but the analogy can still be used. It is still about wrestling control from the main ruler of the said dimension and Agamotto just sprang to mind.

As for your analogy,
Matrix/Merlin (Omniversal power)
tried to "wrestle the control over said warp" (of 238 Jaspers no less)

guess what happened:

Yes he got beaten (strange seeing how a omniversal power isn't capable of simply erasing a universe but have to resort to a machinary and a crystal in order to preform the nullification on a universe.)

Based on feats ... Matrix/Merlin >>>> IG
heck, I remember Merlin allowing team Excalibur to harness a portion of the Matrix,
Brian was able to literally rebuild the Mutliverse in its entirety.

But I would put the IG above Merlin simply by the fact that the IG makes one God beneath LT according to you own words. Hence above Merlin and Jaspers.
and the IG could be used to conquer two multiverses and the Reality Gem and the power gem? I think ore was it the four other gems that created universes and stacked them on top of each other with ease.

Everyone always makes that sound so easy ...

"teleport him out of his warp" ... or ... "bfr to un-space"
(a walk in the park that Jaspers will simply allow right?) no

Fury was only able to do that cause Fury was basically immune to Jaspers' warp.

I would say it is pretty safe to assume that the IG is immune too, and you know fully well that if the Fury had known right from the start what Jaspers weakness was MJJ would have been teleported there by fury in a instant, the wielder of the IG knows this, and even there even though he have the Reality Gem at his disposisal, it still wouldn't be enough to defeat the Reality Gem on the IG with full capacity from the power gem.

Jaspers controls Reality absolutely ... the IG gives one control over Reality completely.

The IG makes one master above Time, Space, Soul, Power, reality and Mind. I would say that the wielder of the IG gaines as much control over reality as Jaspers does.

Reality in it's basic form is Time/Space,
everything else is an extra component that completes a balanced universe
(like Chaos/Order(structure)Galactus/Inbetweener(balance)and Death/Oblivion(consonance)

All these conceptual ideas are part of Reality,
and everything existing withIN Time/Space is part of Reality.
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The only boost the Reality Gem would give Jaspers is the power to create from nothing.

Which means the cheesy "bfr" move is out of the question.

Not if the IG wielder can overrule it... He will most likely be capable of erasing the reality just as fast as Jaspers can remake it with the reality gem ore simply remove reality with the use of the space gem.

Not imo,
I'd say stalemate just cause I respect the IG so much.

Theoretically though, imo, IG should take the majority,
but Jaspers was also never defeated (other than Fury) and proved himself as an uber "god"
just like the IG makes one unquestionably.

It's really a tuff call to be honest.

Of cause it is all theory on what would happen if they meet judging from what they have shown and what references have been given to them etc.

starlock
Warlock/IG for the win

Galan007
Originally posted by starlock
Warlock/IG for the win thumb up

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