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Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates)

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates)

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates)

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates)

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates)

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates)

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates)

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates)

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates)

And last but no least

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury (Ultimates)

Wolverine from 616 would wtf pwn ultimate wolverine

Been done before and 616 crushes them.

ultimate namor wins
ultimate ironman wins

all ofthers losse horribly

Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates)

U Cap goes for the kill. He wins. Plus I thought he was more powerful than 616 Cap.

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates)

UW.

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates)

616 Henry.

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates)

616 FF.

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates)

Not sure.

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates)

616 because U has more restrictions on his armor, like needing a team to get him into it.

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates)

616

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates)

WWH.

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates)

616

And last but no least

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury

U Fury.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine from 616 would wtf pwn ultimate wolverine

You would say that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You would say that.

He far more experience

far better trained

Faster

better healing factor

better reflexes

More skilled

better senses

simply better in ever single way ecpt perhaps strength and even then he likly better

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates)

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates)

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates)

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates)

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates)

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates)

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates)

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates)

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates)

And last but no least

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury (Ultimates)

1. 616 Skill>Stregnth
2. Who cares.
3. 616-I believe Hank in 616 can reach 100 ft whereas Ult. Hank gets to only 60ft.
4. 616
5. 616
6. 616
7. 616
8. .........
9. 616
10. 616 Although the Ult. one is modeled after SLJ which makes it automatically cooler.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You would say that.


And? 616 does crush Ult. Wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He far more experience

far better trained

Faster

better healing factor

better reflexes

More skilled

better senses

simply better in ever single way ecpt perhaps strength and even then he likly better

Bah

lol you disagree

funny because an author for ultimate x-men said ulitmate wolverine was 616 times 10 in every way which i funny since ultimate wolverine has done nothing to suggest he could even hang with x-23 let a lone wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol you disagree

funny because an author for ultimate x-men said ulitmate wolverine was 616 times 10 in every way which i funny since ultimate wolverine has done nothing to suggest he could even hang with x-23 let a lone wolverine.

Bah, humbug . . .

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol you disagree

funny because an author for ultimate x-men said ulitmate wolverine was 616 times 10 in every way which i funny since ultimate wolverine has done nothing to suggest he could even hang with x-23 let a lone wolverine.

Oh, in that case...

Ultimate Wolverine stomps 616.

Ultimate Wasp wins (I think)
Ultimate Namor wins

Other than that, 616 stomps

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, in that case...

Ultimate Wolverine stomps 616.
lol to bad that author knows jack shit. He also never written 616 wolverine and was simply hyping up ultimate wolverine

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
ultimate ironman wins

No....just no

Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates) = Ult. puts up a wicked fight, but 616 takes it eventually.

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates) = Ultimate.

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates) = Who cares? I guess 616.

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates) = 616, I guess.

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates) = Ultimate.

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury (Ultimates) = This is probably the hardest one to decide. In fact, I won't decide. I personally think this fight could go either way, 50/50 for both.

I thought ultimate Capt, Wolverine, Namor and Hulk were suppose to be much more than their counter parts?

Well you put WWH so I can see that. I was thinking of normal 616 Hulk.

normal 616 hulk would still win,
616 Thor would completely destroy the ultimate thor! easily!
616 wins them all

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates) = Ult. puts up a wicked fight, but 616 takes it eventually.

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates) = Ultimate.

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates) = Who cares? I guess 616.

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates) = 616, I guess.

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates) = Ultimate.

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates) = 616.

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury (Ultimates) = This is probably the hardest one to decide. In fact, I won't decide. I personally think this fight could go either way, 50/50 for both.

Thats about right

Originally posted by scuzz
normal 616 hulk would still win,
616 Thor would completely destroy the ultimate thor! easily!
616 wins them all

Have you seen Ultimate Namor?

Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates) = Ult. Cap. I'm sorry, but he's just a beast.

Match2
Wasp (616) vs Wasp (Ultimates) = 616 Wasp. Her sting blasts can penetrate tempered steel.

Match 3
Henry Pym (616) vs Henry Pym (Ultimates) = 616 Pym. He's smarter, better and more tactical.

Match 4
Fantastic Four (616) vs Fantastic Four (Ultimates) = Tough call. Both Reeds have thought their way out of messes. 616 IW is more powerful. Ult. Thing seems stronger but lacks heart. Both Human Torches are about equal. I'll say 616 FF.

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates) = 616 Wolverine.

Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates) = Ult. Iron Man. No contest. His feats are way above current Iron Man's.

Match 7
Namor (616) vs Namor (Ultimates) = Ult. Namor. That guy is basically a god.

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates) = WWH over Ult. Hulk. Ult. Hulk just about any other time.

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates) = 616 Thor. But Ult. Thor is a badass in his own right and it would be close.

And last but no least

Match 10
"The ruthless" Nick Fury (616) vs "The King of Cool" Nick Fury (Ultimates) = Nobody takes down 616 Nick Fury. He'll be back to save Marvel Earth in Secret Invasion, I'm telling you...

Originally posted by Entity
I thought ultimate Capt, Wolverine, Namor and Hulk were suppose to be much more than their counter parts?

Well you put WWH so I can see that. I was thinking of normal 616 Hulk.
ultimate capt is stronger,but not as skilled.

ulitmate Logan is a putz next to 616 Logan

Based on what?

Ultimate Cap hasn't been outclassed by anyone. The Batman wannabe in Ultimate Adventures was impressed with him even.

Originally posted by llagrok
Based on what?

Ultimate Cap hasn't been outclassed by anyone. The Batman wannabe in Ultimate Adventures was impressed with him even.
I was going by the hand books.

I don't read ultimate capt. find his U.S agent carbon copy to be boring.

So you flip open a couple of handbooks and think it's the same as actually reading the comics?

Cool...

Originally posted by llagrok
So you flip open a couple of handbooks and think it's the same as actually reading the comics?

Cool...

did I say it was? Nope I did not.



so who has ultimate capt beat through skill that makes you believe he 616 capt equal?

Can we also go by feats from the Ultimates movies?

Originally posted by llagrok
Based on what?

Ultimate Cap hasn't been outclassed by anyone. The Batman wannabe in Ultimate Adventures was impressed with him even.

Based on Ultimate's Cap's skill feats being both in far fewer number and far less impressive.

Ultimate Namor is one of the highest tier characters in the ult universe. Hes done some crazy things in his few appearances. He takes the win. Ultimate Hulk should be able to beat most 616 versions of the Hulk. Hes shown no limit to what he can do, and hes ripped and broken adamantium with little effort. Ultimate Captain America takes his fight as well in my opinion. I dont think hes ever been outclassed in standard hand to hand fighting by anyone near his level. Plus as mentioned hes a lot more likely to fight dirty. For all the others I'll give the 616 characters wins, unless Ult Ironman is able to use that huge ass ship, since it was technically considered one of his armors, but yeah thats reaching.

would love to see Ult. Hulk vs WWH.


I think both really have the same power levels, Hulk's adaptation and spontaneous mutations are something that should be explored more ... I remember reading an edition of IH where he started to breathe/talk underwater, whilst walking on the ocean floor on his way to Nightmare's Island.

Originally posted by janus77
would love to see Ult. Hulk vs WWH.


I think both really have the same power levels, Hulk's adaptation and spontaneous mutations are something that should be explored more ... I remember reading an edition of IH where he started to breathe/talk underwater, whilst walking on the ocean floor on his way to Nightmare's Island.

Yeah 616 Hulk used to hold his breath underwater, thinking that he would drown, but one day discovered that he really didn't have to bother - his body literally grew the organs necessary to breathe underwater.

Just one of the ways in which Hulk has physically changed over the years.

I'm surprised so many think that Ult Wasp ould win. 616-Jan is one of the most effective and experienced hero(ine)s around, where her counterpart is a relative newbie.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Match 6
Iron Man (616) vs Iron Man (Ultimates) = Ult. Iron Man. No contest. His feats are way above current Iron Man's.


Yabuwha? In what way, shape, or form?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Yabuwha? In what way, shape, or form? Well, the most recent feat that can be compared and that I can pinpoint is the utility of their forcefields.

In New Avengers #5, 616 Iron Man was only able to provide a forcefield to cover his teammates and NOT save dozens of mutates from a white energy level flux incoming barrage (whatever that means). But in Ultimates Vol. 1 #12, we see that Ult. Iron Man saved not only his teammates from an island-wide nuclear detonation, but several hundred SHIELD agents as well with the same amount of prep time, if not less.

Yes, Ult. Ironman is quite dependent on a multibillion-dollar support system, but it appears that his armor's capabilities surpass that of 616 Iron Man's.

And as far as I can see, their intellects, at the very least, match each other's. 616 Iron Man is a futurist with experience, but Ult. Iron Man's brain cells permeate throughout his body (if you read Ult. Iron Man). I thin his inexperience would be fairly compensated for by this bizarre mutation (or whatever you call it), if anything.

What are your thoughts Blair Wind?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, the most recent feat that can be compared and that I can pinpoint is the utility of their forcefields.

In New Avengers #5, 616 Iron Man was only able to provide a forcefield to cover his teammates and NOT save dozens of mutates from a white energy level flux incoming barrage (whatever that means). But in Ultimates Vol. 1 #12, we see that Ult. Iron Man saved not only his teammates from an island-wide nuclear detonation, but several hundred SHIELD agents as well with the same amount of prep time, if not less.

Yes, Ult. Ironman is quite dependent on a multibillion-dollar support system, but it appears that his armor's capabilities surpass that of 616 Iron Man's.

And as far as I can see, their intellects, at the very least, match each other's. 616 Iron Man is a futurist with experience, but Ult. Iron Man's brain cells permeate throughout his body (if you read Ult. Iron Man). I thin his inexperience would be fairly compensated for by this bizarre mutation (or whatever you call it), if anything.

What are your thoughts Blair Wind?

If you have read the issue and if I am recalling this correctly, you know that Ironman was low on energy the whole time. This can be seen when he does his magnet trick earlier in that issue.
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet1lt3.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet2oi7.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet3uh2.jpg

So really he blocked the white energy level flux incoming barrage at around 11% charge (unless Im mistaken, I cant find the comic, just the feats).

I cant find the Ultimate Scans, and I know it happened, but Ill get more things later on to make a case for Ultimate Ironman vs 616 Ironman.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
If you have read the issue and if I am recalling this correctly, you know that Ironman was low on energy the whole time. This can be seen when he does his magnet trick earlier in that issue.
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet1lt3.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet2oi7.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polarmagnet3uh2.jpg

So really he blocked the white energy level flux incoming barrage at around 11% charge (unless Im mistaken, I cant find the comic, just the feats).

I cant find the Ultimate Scans, and I know it happened, but Ill get more things later on to make a case for Ultimate Ironman vs 616 Ironman. I look forward to it. That crucial point has forced me to reassess my position on 616 Iron Man vs. Ult. Iron Man. I thought it was definitive, but the comparison is somewhat unfair, to say the least. Nonetheless, I don't believe 616 Iron Man, at full capacity, ever generated a 3 mile radius-wide forcefield that withstood an island destroying nuclear detonation on a split's second's notice.

I can imagine the kinds of feats that you'll come up with and I choose to address them as they are posted. I am, by no means, an Iron Man expert, but I think I have a fair knowledge of 616 Iron Man's feats and history and a comprehensive knowledge of Ult. Iron Man's feats and history to make a case for Ult. Iron Man > 616 Iron Man. Go for it.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Match 1:
Captain America (616) vs Captain America (Ultimates)

Match 5
Wolverine (616) vs Wolverine (Ultimates)

Match 8
Hulk (aka WWH) (616) vs Hulk (Ultimates)

Match 9
Thor (616) vs Thor (Ultimates)




Match 1 616 Cap hands down 7-8/10(tough fight though.) To skilled, too fast, and too American. He verbally sons him as well.

Match 8 WWH easily.

Match 9 Again 616 Thor has the better overall feats.