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Who wins?

Seph...

Ryu can get schooled by Scorpion. Seph is greater to Scorpion. Seph wins.
HURRAY FOR A>B>C LOGIC

lol. Scorpion cant beat Ryu. Ryu would school Scorpion and subzero by himself.

Ryu is more skilled than Sephiroth imo. But sephiroth like to fly and zip around. And has a ish load of power. So does Ryu. Is really close when i think about all that Ryu can do. But i think seph takes this though.

Sephiroth 6/10

Then why was there a vid of Scorpion schooling Ryu TWICE!

Originally posted by Csdabest
lol. Scorpion cant beat Ryu. Ryu would school Scorpion and subzero by himself.

Ryu is more skilled than Sephiroth imo. But sephiroth like to fly and zip around. And has a ish load of power. So does Ryu. Is really close when i think about all that Ryu can do. But i think seph takes this though.

Sephiroth 6/10

How can u say Ryu is more skilled then Sephiroth when we've never even seen close to the limits of Sephiroths skills? Does KH Sephiroth mean we only know what we've seen of Sephiroth in KH? So his powers in AC dont apply?

Originally posted by Furion
Ryu can get schooled by Scorpion. Seph is greater to Scorpion. Seph wins.
HURRAY FOR A>B>C LOGIC HURRAY for Furion. I love the guy.

KH Sephiroth's skills (as in fighting skills) have shown to be about equal to the one in VII. In addition he's extremely fast (when he does the move saying "that's enough" he passes through you in a split second dealing 10 hits in that short time, teleports around, has incinerating pillars of flame and raining comets of about 7 feet in diameter, can take one's life with Sin Heartless Angel and more. KH Sephiroth 7/10

Dont use feats that sephiroth havent even shown yet. Ryu is more skilled because as you see he has better sword play and has mastery over multiple weapons, including hand to hand. And knows alot of magic that he doesnt need any materia for.

Any video showing is BS. And if thats the video were talking about thats a different ryu

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Any Sephiroth version Pwns Ryu

Sephiroth is too much for Ryu, he blinks around everywhere, slashes like 10 times in under a second, he mutters a couple words and Ryu will be on the brink of death.

Sephiroth Doesnt Swing his sword 10 times in under a secound. He sing just as fast as Ryubusa. Traveling physically from point A to point B sephiroth is faster. But Ryu can match that with teleportation. Other than that Ryu can go Intangible going into spirit form. Also can create immortal Spirit clones of himself that cant die. Until Ryubusa dies.Including his also versitile Ninpo. In the DOA4 trailer he has two nipo that instantly vaporized a battle ship. That were quick as hell traveling from basicly point A to target instantly.

So no Sephiroth is not too much for Ryubusa. Sephiroth with Materia yes. Because sephiroth hasent shown any magical capabilities without Materia.

So i still stand by what i say.

Sephiroth 6/10

You all forget one thing: Sephiroth is supernatural. Ryu has always been trained and equipped specifically for the demise of supernatural beings. With the Dragon Sword, missile weapons, and his wide range of magic, topped off with his good athletic ability, Ryu has a genuine chance of winning.

People just want Sephiroth to win because he's emo.

Originally posted by Csdabest
So no Sephiroth is not too much for Ryubusa. Sephiroth with Materia yes. Because sephiroth hasent shown any magical capabilities without Materia.

So i still stand by what i say.

Sephiroth 6/10

WTF...so in your opinion KH Sephiroth powers are just materia???? there no evidence to support that

Originally posted by apoc001
You all forget one thing: Sephiroth is supernatural. Ryu has always been trained and equipped specifically for the demise of supernatural beings. With the Dragon Sword, missile weapons, and his wide range of magic, topped off with his good athletic ability, Ryu has a genuine chance of winning.

People just want Sephiroth to win because he's emo.

That is horrific logic, he's supernatural so he looses..... just like squirtle PWNS a charizard? or how a Paladin could solo Kil'jaeden because he's evil.

Sephiroth has display way better swordsmanship than Ryu. From what i've seen Ryu isn't used to having to strike for more than a few times before he gets the killing blow on his targets.

Sephiroth on the other hand has fought many times in prolonged sword fights. From the Crisis Core fight we see how even the best soldier can be toyed with carelessly.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
WTF...so in your opinion KH Sephiroth powers are just materia???? there no evidence to support that



That is horrific logic, he's supernatural so he looses..... just like squirtle PWNS a charizard? or how a Paladin could solo Kil'jaeden because he's evil.

Sephiroth has display way better swordsmanship than Ryu. From what i've seen Ryu isn't used to having to strike for more than a few times before he gets the killing blow on his targets.

Sephiroth on the other hand has fought many times in prolonged sword fights. From the Crisis Core fight we see how even the best soldier can be toyed with carelessly.

Play final Fantasy VII the original one. When you get sephiroth in your squad in the flash back. He uses Quake 3 to defeat the dragon. Look at his materia. its Quake 3. The movies shows the link between the magical powers and Materia. Where have you seen Sephiiroth canonly use magic with out materia???

Some of Ryu basic combos are better than sephiroth's swordmanship. What intrique complex sword patterns have sephiroth performed. That Ryu hasnt been shown to do. Ryu has shown complex pattern and sword combo that Sephiroth havent even come close to performing

Oh also Ryu has too in a short span of a week. Aginst the likes of Doku, Murai, Alma, Awakened Alma,Spirit doku, and the Devil Incarnate Dark Deciple.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Play final Fantasy VII the original one. When you get sephiroth in your squad in the flash back. He uses Quake 3 to defeat the dragon. Look at his materia. its Quake 3. The movies shows the link between the magical powers and Materia. Where have you seen Sephiiroth canonly use magic with out materia???

Some of Ryu basic combos are better than sephiroth's swordmanship. What intrique complex sword patterns have sephiroth performed. That Ryu hasnt been shown to do. Ryu has shown complex pattern and sword combo that Sephiroth havent even come close to performing

When i did the flash back he just one shot the dragon with his sword. And yes he has materia. However, no materia has been shown to exist in Kingdom Heart, yet Sephiroth is still using dark powers. You're arguement is composed of lack of evidence of which there is plently. Pale horse Shadow Flare, they are not materia attacks.

Because it's unusaul it's better? where does this divine logic come from. Sephiroths movements are precise, look in the CC Vid how he dodges Angeals attack while smirking. If Ryu has somethnig we hasn't seen post it, but i have never ever seen anythnig that would remotely suggest Ryu is even on the same level as Sephiroth

KH sephiroth seems to >>>AC sephiroth

AC Sephiroth hasn't shown his true power. He was toying with Cloud and was pwning him. KH Cloud defeated KH Seph dozens of times.

so, its another one of those Sephiroth getting beat by Cloud things, Sephiroth has no feats in AC really, wheras KH one has tonnes of interesting powers which according to Angel he does not even need Materia for

(although you have to take into account the fact this is not real sephiroth is it? this is an embodiment of clouds darkness, not the real Sephiroth, its likely it can bypass many rules the real sephiroth could not)

AC Sephiroth summoned the Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. He pwned Cloud without trying. He TKed Ruins by lifting his head. He can fly. Seph actually trying would pwn everybody in the KH universe.....except Jack Sparrow.

he wouldnt beat himself because apprently only Cloud can beat it and your talking ridiculous, Xemnas would toast Sephiroth

Cloud also pwned Sephiroth in the end however, he didnt TK anything, its never menstioned as TK, furthermore the building just broke, thats bad manipulation of TK and kinetic energy, hes bad at TK

Sephiroth would pwn that Seph wannabe. Xemnas I laugh at when I fight him. He's a noob and would get his ass handed to him by Seph.
Cloud only won cause he surprised Seph.
What are the chances of the building breaking at that exact moment.

i meant he may have used something else, just not Tk, the Building didnt look in good repair i must say anyway, but hes not that powerful at TK at all, he has trouble holding people for crying out loud, it seems holding beings is so much harder for him than breaking objects, just like in LOK it relates to in a way, Raziels weak TK can break columbs and things but cannot lift humans, Kains can easily and manipulate small objects
Seph would fall to Xemnas hard

Originally posted by Furion
AC Sephiroth summoned the Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. He pwned Cloud without trying. He TKed Ruins by lifting his head. He can fly. Seph actually trying would pwn everybody in the KH universe.....except Jack Sparrow.

You think that Sephiroth can defeat all of KH, hell, even Organization XIII?

IMO Sephiroth would be WTF OWNED by Xemnas, this is Xemnas after absorbing KH.

I don't think Sephiroth is physically Clouds Darkness, i think he represents all the bad things from Cloud, like his dark half. But that is speculation at best, just a matter of opinion

We cant really be sure if that was TK or not. also. Evil Angel. I cant prove to you tthat character A has better sword play when its your opinion. Smirking while fighting doesnt indicate better sword play. Sephiroth has shown nothing but swiping his sword from horizontal,vertical angles In succession. Ryu does the same thing along with other various blade movements. Theonly thing Sephiroth has for him is lifestream without materia. Time, Earth, Water, Fire, Lightning, Wind, Ice, holy,dark, came from materia. In weapojns Sephiroth would get owned by Ryubusa. Specialy after Ninja Gaiden 2 drops. Its close fight. Sephiroth wins. But Ryubusa has a high chance of taking him down if Sephy doesnt get Materia. Also Materia Does exist in KH it just is not used. You dont get to see Sephiroth equip so how can you say he doesnt use it. I have seen nothing of sephiroth sword play being on the level of Ryubusa.

Still sephiroth 6/10.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i meant he may have used something else, just not Tk, the Building didnt look in good repair i must say anyway, but hes not that powerful at TK at all, he has trouble holding people for crying out loud, it seems holding beings is so much harder for him than breaking objects, just like in LOK it relates to in a way, Raziels weak TK can break columbs and things but cannot lift humans, Kains can easily and manipulate small objects
Seph would fall to Xemnas hard

You would have to be a bias Sephiroth hater to claim the building just happen to fall when Sephiroth looked up at it.


First of all, he had no trouble holding beings, not only was he holding multiple beings(something no one in LOK can do), he was holding back Holy (something powerful enough to destroy the planet), not only that but you fail to comprehend that AC Sephiroth >>>> FF7Sephiroth (as in AC Sephiroth is much more powerful)

Kains TK is weak as well, he can only hold one person, and since when is manipulating small objects considered powerful TK?


Lol not only was KH Sephiroth waay more powerful and harder to beat then Xemnas, Xemnas got owned and killed by sora and friend.. Sephiroth after a real hard fight from Sora and friend, Sephiroth just brushed them off as a little warmup and told them to go bring Cloud now.

Post Ryu's elite sword skills then in a ivdeo, i really can't wait to see this. After all, Sephiroths movements are exactly and precise, i can't think as to how you can be better than it. So, Show me

Sephiroth would kick everyone in Organization 13's ass. Organization 13 are the only people besides Cloud that could fight and defeat Seph. I'll give them that but Seph would just Sin Harvest everyone and blow them straight to hell. Xemnas, Roxas, and maybe Xaldin's stupid Dragon lazer thingy would not fall to Seph easy. Seph would just cut through the rest and laugh. From what I've seen they're all a bunch of wimpy people who like to hide. Axel and Roxas are the only ones I like due to rest beings smug bastards.

Wow. did you really say That Ryubusa Sword skills are not precise. If they werent he wouldnt be able to do half of the stuff he does without slicing off his limbs.

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Originally posted by Csdabest
Wow. did you really say That Ryubusa Sword skills are not precise. If they werent he wouldnt be able to do half of the stuff he does without slicing off his limbs.

L2R, I said Sephiroth's movements are perfect. Don't twist my words biotch

Originally posted by Terryc250
You would have to be a bias Sephiroth hater to claim the building just happen to fall when Sephiroth looked up at it.


First of all, he had no trouble holding beings, not only was he holding multiple beings(something no one in LOK can do), he was holding back Holy (something powerful enough to destroy the planet), not only that but you fail to comprehend that AC Sephiroth >>>> FF7Sephiroth (as in AC Sephiroth is much more powerful)

Kains TK is weak as well, he can only hold one person, and since when is manipulating small objects considered powerful TK?


Lol not only was KH Sephiroth waay more powerful and harder to beat then Xemnas, Xemnas got owned and killed by sora and friend.. Sephiroth after a real hard fight from Sora and friend, Sephiroth just brushed them off as a little warmup and told them to go bring Cloud now.

i did not, he miss read

nah, he held multiple beings who got free now and then, he fails, show me him holding people without trouble

no, but you fail to comprehend that AC sephiroth has no feats, so you simply assume like fanboys often assume that everything about him is now uber...

false, Kain can TK Shackle several and throw others around, as well as manipualte small objects, you dont comprehend that this is powerful? Jean grey can manipulate the very particles of things with Tk and turn them to dust almost....so your Saying this is weak? your obviously not thinking correctly, small object manipulation means Kains TK is not only precise on detail but also able to take weapons from enemies, Sephiroth cannot from what youve shown me, he cannot even keep a hold on characters arms when he Tks, which means his TK is useless or close to it

Xemnas would wipe sephiroth out, Dimension powers or BFR ftw

And we have your word for it since we can't see the original BO in action. The list of spells isn't really that helpful.

No u fail as usual, it was stated that AC Sephiroth had become much more powerful then FF7 Sephiroth, by the creators themselves, hahah i really hope ur not trying to compare TKing small particle/molecules with moving small objects, thats totally different. Sephiroth lifted 8 beings and held back a destructive energy that can destroy the planet, knocked over the top of a building, and you think he cant TK someones weapon away from them? (like he would need to anyway)


How the f*** can you BFR someone who can fly themselves and even faster? Dimension powers? You mean suck ppl into his dimension? Only for xemnas to get his ass kicked in his own dimension from ppl like Sora and Riku?

Originally posted by Terryc250
No u fail as usual, it was stated that AC Sephiroth had become much more powerful then FF7 Sephiroth, by the creators themselves, hahah i really hope ur not trying to compare TKing small particle/molecules with moving small objects, thats totally different. Sephiroth lifted 8 beings and held back a destructive energy that can destroy the planet, knocked over the top of a building, and you think he cant TK someones weapon away from them? (like he would need to anyway)


How the f*** can you BFR someone who can fly themselves and even faster? Dimension powers? You mean suck ppl into his dimension? Only for xemnas to get his ass kicked in his own dimension from ppl like Sora and Riku?

as usual? you must be reading your own posts...

so......much more powerful..yeh....and? show me this much more powerful TK then please

its a good example, that theres a big a diffrences and hgiher worth in Tking small things as much or more than larger things, he held back this force you say? can you prove it was pushing against him, actually using its force against his willpower?.....and ofc prove he was doing it just by himself, no other force was helping him?

lifted 8 with flawed TK, very flawed

yes i do, if you cant show me him moving someones weapon away or a small object then not at all can he neccerily move a small weapon, precise TK can be more difficult than blunt TK on a larger object, by far

fly themselves and faster? wtf.....show me Sephiroth flying faster than Xemnas, Xemnas is damn quick and how is this anything to do with BFR? bs answer and a bit of a strawman, and u said earlier i fail lmao....

yeh, suck Sephiroth into his dimension only no, he wont fight sephiroth, hell dump him there and win through BFR, Sephiroth=owned lmao so much for the one winged angel

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_u5oPIsmtzk&feature=related

^^^Doesnt miss a swipe. Pay attention closely. He even slice through enemies energy attacks. That takes percision.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fBIhxx7aDWA&feature=related

^^^End of the clip. Able to sweep by an enemy and take his head clean right off.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJOUyHM3gik&feature=related
Mastery withother Weapons. Not realeased yet but as you can see. He is easily precise and dealy with what ever weapon he weilds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g-_8S7H-PWU
More sword play

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCAhiojuPU4&feature=related
More precisin slicing a jet in half clean.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=AbM85DhAEdA&feature=related
More sword play from him from the upand comming game. But as you can see more precision and skill.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXnzc3Tx8m4&feature=related
Even more. Frankly. Its gameplay because their is little no fighting in the cutscenes as those ar used to pass along the story and chapters.

Also i didnt twist your words. You implying that Ryubusa is a noob with swords. Saying Sephiroth is better when he hasnt shown nothing but swipes and smirks.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Also i didnt twist your words. You implying that Ryubusa is a noob with swords. Saying Sephiroth is better when he hasnt shown nothing but swipes and smirks.

Again, you are compeltely wrong.

Ryu more of an assassin one or two strikes and his enemy is dead. This requires blinding speed and great insight true.

Sephiroth is a Swordsmaster. His battles consist of swordplay with other combat specialists. In SOLDIER he was KNOWN to be the single greatest one of them all. This implies huge skill and experience when it comes to battles with other people who possess amazing skill, speed and strength.

While Ryu is skilled, Battleing against someone like Sephiroth would play into his hands. Ryu lacks the experience to Defeat Sephiroth blade to blade.

From my PoV i can't even see how this is debatable

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Again, you are compeltely wrong.

Ryu more of an assassin one or two strikes and his enemy is dead. This requires blinding speed and great insight true.

Sephiroth is a Swordsmaster. His battles consist of swordplay with other combat specialists. In SOLDIER he was KNOWN to be the single greatest one of them all. This implies huge skill and experience when it comes to battles with other people who possess amazing skill, speed and strength.

While Ryu is skilled, Battleing against someone like Sephiroth would play into his hands. Ryu lacks the experience to Defeat Sephiroth blade to blade.

From my PoV i can't even see how this is debatable

Ryu has incredibly blinding speed, I agree with that.

Ryu is also a skilled swordmaster. He has massive speed that is on par with Seph's in the KH battle. DOA and Ninja Gaiden are two intwetwined games, DOA Hayabusa is younger than NG Hayabusa, thus he has had years pf experience and skill throughout the years of DOA 1,2,3,4 and soon to be 5, and in Ninja Gaiden 1, and soon to be 2.

NG is placed before DOA. Also Ryubusa is not lacking in experienced. Far from it. Ryubusa has been trained from birth,since he was able to be a killing machine. Ryubusa has fought countless battles and his experiences in NG 1 should last him a life time. Ryu is a skilled sword master. He is skilled in just about every weapon there is. and NGII will further it.

Ryu is either more or aorund the same amount of skill level when it comes to swords. Ryu also has an asortmen of other weapons. And knows how to counter eachone as he has shown in the Game.

I really hope they make a Ninja Gaiden 3. One that takes place after DOA.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Ryu is also a skilled swordmaster. He has massive speed that is on par with Seph's in the KH battle.

Speed and Skill are two very different things, as proved by Kariya fighting Ichigo, or Lee fighting Kimimaro. Just because Ryu's speed is comparable to Sephiroth does by no means make him as skilled, far far from it

As i said before, hence i'm repeating myself:

The Number of specilalized warriors Sephiroth has defeated is way beyond that of Ryu's.

Experience and Skill are both of Sephiroths side as you have yet to post any video that proves Ryu is on the same level as Sephiroth in Blade to Blade combat. And just so you don't throw that point back at me

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lol. Doku, Spirit Doku, Alma, Awakened alma, The devil Incarnate VE, and the devil incarnate Murai. He stated them as too different categories.. Ryu doesnt even neccarisly have to use his sword to outclass sephiroth in close range battle. Have you even played any of the Ninja Gaidens?

Also he fought his evil dopleganger that is just as strong and as fast and as skileld as he is.

I just saw a demo of Ninja Gaiden II. Ryu's doing some pretty insane stuff. Basically, he's doing what Sephiroth does, only he gets to pick what weapon he uses. Judging by that, and all the other games and the bosses he's beaten, I'd say Ryu could definitely win.

Ryu's physical abilities do not come close to equating Sephiroth's.

Speed regarding the two would be about equal in terms of how fast they can travel in short bursts (meaning about 10 meters or so). Sephiroth can sustain traveling as fast as he does for long distances while flying. Although speed here could mean nothing seeing as they both can simply teleport anywhere. Speed at which they fight is close.

Ryu's attacks, ultimate techniques, energy and ninpo are pretty much < Sephiroth's abilities, judging with complete honesty here.

Last but not least, Sephiroth is farther from being a normal human than Ryu is. That by itself is not a supportive statement, but..

Sephiroth's durability is far greater (was hit by Genesis' fireballs which are destructive despite having done nothing to Seph).

Sephiroth can disable Ryu in some way with his telekinesis (the same way he leveled a building).

Wait...I'm talking about VII Sephiroth.

KH Sephiroth is just as much greater than Ryu in my opinion, judging by all the crap he has shown to be able to pull off in battle. that does not mean Ryu hasn't a chance either. My first post on the first page provide my reasons.

Just my take on it.

Originally posted by Csdabest
lol. Doku, Spirit Doku, Alma, Awakened alma, The devil Incarnate VE, and the devil incarnate Murai. He stated them as too different categories.. Ryu doesnt even neccarisly have to use his sword to outclass sephiroth in close range battle. Have you even played any of the Ninja Gaidens?

Also he fought his evil dopleganger that is just as strong and as fast and as skileld as he is.

Lol, you comparing them to Sephiroth?!

Dare i say it i think you're bias here, you want Ryu to be better than Sephiroth in Reality, it's never gonig to happen.

Sephiroth 9.9/10

My completely honest opinion is that Spirit Doku, and both versions of the DI can compare to Sephiroth considering the facts about them.

Let's not bring them up for any reason, though, because anything about them does not confirm or explain Ryu's stats (such as what he can do etc.). Comparing only the stats of the characters in discussion is the best way to choose a winner...

Not that people have to vote for the same character, though.

I kinda meant, compare Ryu's defeating of them as an adequate reason as to Ryu's battle with Sephiroth but nvm

No. I stated those names as to who ryu has faced blade on blade. No im not trying to make Ryu better than Sephiroth. i already admitted Sephiroth takes the majoirty. Also imo Ryu has better TK. Levititating a peice of rock while standing on it manuvering it while attacking a very large enemy shows good control with TK. So i doubt sephiroth TK would really play a role in this.

Only thing Sephiroth's has is his special attack which Revovls around energy. But then again Ryubusa True Dragon Sword has been seen to cut through pure energy. In old school and against the VE. but Ryu does have moves to take out sephiroth with ease

100 winged Blade. Basicly evicerates opponents. Also Storm of he heavenly dragon. Then comes True Gleam of the dragon. The big Tornado attack. Which basicly slices and dices enemies. So Ryu does have a Big chance in defeating sephiroth. Just sephiroth has a bigger chance.

Sephiroth wins 6/10

lol How am iBias towards Ryubusa when i gave Sephy the majority?

Originally posted by Csdabest
No. I stated those names as to who ryu has faced blade on blade. No im not trying to make Ryu better than Sephiroth. i already admitted Sephiroth takes the majoirty. Also imo Ryu has better TK. Levititating a peice of rock while standing on it manuvering it while attacking a very large enemy shows good control with TK. So i doubt sephiroth TK would really play a role in this.

Only thing Sephiroth's has is his special attack which Revovls around energy. But then again Ryubusa True Dragon Sword has been seen to cut through pure energy. In old school and against the VE. but Ryu does have moves to take out sephiroth with ease

100 winged Blade. Basicly evicerates opponents. Also Storm of he heavenly dragon. Then comes True Gleam of the dragon. The big Tornado attack. Which basicly slices and dices enemies. So Ryu does have a Big chance in defeating sephiroth. Just sephiroth has a bigger chance.

Sephiroth wins 6/10

lol How am iBias towards Ryubusa when i gave Sephy the majority?

Perfect example of your bias is right there. Levetating a rock while on it, is better then bringing down half a build with a nod, HOW?! A raise of the arm summoning all the negative lifestream, Ryu show control of TK but no where near the power of Sephiroths.

HOW IS THAT BIAS. I just said better control. Control does not equal power. No where has sephiroth held anyone still with TK that would be bias. And do you forget that the building was already destroyed. Also


What are the powers of the lifestream. The lifefestream only stopped a meteor. It has never been shown to attack a human or anything else. So what is sephiroth going to do wit the lifestream.

So tell me how is Moving priobably a loose peice to send the building to crumble down which takes brute force how is that using more control than manuvering your self on a boulder while dodging attacks from a planet busting enemy and sucessfully killing it with minor injuries. Come on now. Your indications of me being bias are pure rubbish,


You saying im bias cuz ishowed an example of control rather than brute force when i clearly said control and stated control

Originally posted by Csdabest
HOW IS THAT BIAS. I just said better control. Control does not equal power. No where has sephiroth held anyone still with TK that would be bias. And do you forget that the building was already destroyed. Also


What are the powers of the lifestream. The lifefestream only stopped a meteor. It has never been shown to attack a human or anything else. So what is sephiroth going to do wit the lifestream.

So tell me how is Moving priobably a loose peice to send the building to crumble down which takes brute force how is that using more control than manuvering your self on a boulder while dodging attacks from a planet busting enemy and sucessfully killing it with minor injuries. Come on now. Your indications of me being bias are pure rubbish,


You saying im bias cuz ishowed an example of control rather than brute force when i clearly said control and stated control

ok the video has been deleted -.- and it's the only one i can find with the clip i need.

At the end of FF7 Sephiroth nearly tears apart the entire party using TK alone.

Thats still TONS of weight to be pushing, dont forget that Sephiroth did not even exert himself the least bit,
In FF7 (a weaker Sephiroth) He held back Holy (a power strong enough to destroy the planet), and at the same time held 8 ppl up and tortured them.


The lifestream is the power of the planet, its what created everything on the planet, when Sephiroth jumped into the lifestream his body disinegrated, it disinigrated meteor, in Denzels story, the woman tried to protect Denzel when the lifestream interfered with meteor in midgar, she got exposed to the lifestream, and was killed instantly.

Not only does the lifestream have destructive powers, it can be used to create materia, and just about anything on the planet. In FF7, Sephiroth tried to gather the lifestream into one spot where he can absorb it, this would have transformed Sephiroth into a true god. In AC Sephiroth gained control of the lifestream, with a gesture of his hand he covered all of midgar(by far the largest city) with it instantly.

What is Sephiroth going to do with the lifestream you ask? lol

Though it is an extreme powerful force. There is no point debating about Negative lifestream as this is Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth, and there's not Life stream in that, the Worlds have the keyholes and all don't they?

Originally posted by Terryc250
What is Sephiroth going to do with the lifestream you ask? lol

owned....theres no lifestream or negative in KH sephiroth disposal....


but ime also curious, whats he going to do? has anyone made materia on the spot?, is it quick? show me please

Yea i think its can possibiely done. But its not a feat sephiroth has ever done. Also moving tons. Brute force doesnt exactly say control. But the 8 people at the same time shows it aswell. But since people are sooo willing to say KH is different from FF then i think its crap that people only use his FF feats when it conveintent.

See, i don't think it can be. After all doesn't it take ages of being in the mako fountain thing doesn't it?

Originally posted by Csdabest
Yea i think its can possibiely done. But its not a feat sephiroth has ever done. Also moving tons. Brute force doesnt exactly say control. But the 8 people at the same time shows it aswell. But since people are sooo willing to say KH is different from FF then i think its crap that people only use his FF feats when it conveintent.

And only now your bringing up their different.

In the original KH Sephiroth Platinum match after summons in the meteors he uses TK to make them spin around him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
owned....theres no lifestream or negative in KH sephiroth disposal....

Plz read first before making dumb comments, i simply answered his question about the lifestream.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Plz read first before making dumb comments like i often do , i simply answered his question about the lifestream and added a fairly odd asumption that sephiroth could use it to create materia.

BT are you little slow-minded?

he asked "What are the powers of the lifestream. "

Materia is made out of lifestream genius, what does sephiroth have control over?

Its ok BT, kindergarten is almost half way over, I'm sure they will teach you how to properly read in grade 1.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
See, i don't think it can be. After all doesn't it take ages of being in the mako fountain thing doesn't it?



And only now your bringing up their different.

In the original KH Sephiroth Platinum match after summons in the meteors he uses TK to make them spin around him.


OMG STFU yor being dumb. You arguing stuff that not directed to you. Im stating its crap that people say that they are the same only when it conveint but then go on and say that they are different in another thread.

But now after i responded to you nit picking every little thing I say. I do agree about it taking ages in a fountain. But im not exactly sure. i remember them saying somehtring about it but i dont remember it exactly

But im not ure if sephiroth even with control over the lifestream can make it because he hasnt shown the abilitity to. But its still possible. Its hard to say he can when he never did. And its hard to say he cant when what he control does.

Originally posted by Terryc250
BT are you little slow-minded?

he asked "What are the powers of the lifestream. "

Materia is made out of lifestream genius, what does sephiroth have control over?

Its ok BT, kindergarten is almost half way over, I'm sure they will teach you how to properly read in grade 1.

Materia is made of lifestream, so? a chair is made of wood.....just because i have wood doesnt mean i can make the chair...or perhaps something more complicated, if i had metal nad plastic, that doesnt mean i could sit and make a gun

but okie lets go along your line of thought....Kain has control over time, dimension, nature, energy, so he could just stop time, take the suns energy and annhilate the solarsystem before recreating the broken husks of planets and controlling nature to create life itself.....he has control over it genius

now an argument to that may be, hes never shown that power......neither has sephiroth though has he? or does he have the ability just for being Sephiroth? hahaha

This is not Kain v.s. Sephiroth BT!

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
This is not Kain v.s. Sephiroth BT!

why you telling me that? Terry turned it into a debate, the only time i used Kain is as an example of TK and Terry started to attack Kain.....so i defended....

also debates for one character can be relevent for others simply because it would show to light weaknesses and lies about Sephiroth, so Ryu can fight a KH Sephiroth unaltered by fans, but ime not sure, i think in this fight Ryu would lose anyway, since the one in KH seems to >>>most other sephiroths with its speed and skill, the same would be for Ryu, his fate would be lost, although overall Ryu skills are probably many, Sephiroth still has his huge sword to gut Ryu

i actually was closer to turning it into a Sephiroth VS Xemnas thread here

Originally posted by Burning thought
iSeph would fall to Xemnas hard

where i directly said a character would defeat Sephiroth

Originally posted by Burning thought
why you telling me that? Terry turned it into a debate, the only time i used Kain is as an example of TK and Terry started to attack Kain.....so i defended....

also debates for one character can be relevent for others simply because it would show to light weaknesses and lies about Sephiroth, so Ryu can fight a KH Sephiroth unaltered by fans, but ime not sure, i think in this fight Ryu would lose anyway, since the one in KH seems to >>>most other sephiroths with its speed and skill, the same would be for Ryu, his fate would be lost, although overall Ryu skills are probably many, Sephiroth still has his huge sword to gut Ryu

i actually was closer to turning it into a Sephiroth VS Xemnas thread here



where i directly said a character would defeat Sephiroth

Oh.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Oh.

oh indeed

Pshh!

I just realized something, Kain only has those powers in HIS world. Whats gives him those powers in Midgar or Hell or places like that?

Originally posted by Furion
I just realized something, Kain only has those powers in HIS world. Whats gives him those powers in Midgar or Hell or places like that?

KMC rules usually

also what do you mean? what powers?

if your talking about the pillars kain has the powers even after the pillars break, the reaver gives him those powers since it has the pillar emblems which are parts of the pillars or certainly have the power of the pillars within them, it gives kain the ability to use the power of the pillars

But those pillars don't exist in Midgar or the Nether Realm or places like that. How do you know the Reaver would work that far away. In Reality actually.

Originally posted by Furion
But those pillars don't exist in Midgar or the Nether Realm or places like that. How do you know the Reaver would work that far away. In Reality actually.

because as i said he doesnt need the pillars for his powers, he has the emblems of hte pillars, if you check kain still has powers and his abilities after he gets his heart torn out, when your fighting spirits in the Oracle room, kain still has all his powers, so the Emblems give it to him through the reaver, without the reaver he would lose the power ofc in reality

otherwise its just KMC rules that kain would get all his powers

........ok.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Materia is made of lifestream, so? a chair is made of wood.....just because i have wood doesnt mean i can make the chair...or perhaps something more complicated, if i had metal nad plastic, that doesnt mean i could sit and make a gun

but okie lets go along your line of thought....Kain has control over time, dimension, nature, energy, so he could just stop time, take the suns energy and annhilate the solarsystem before recreating the broken husks of planets and controlling nature to create life itself.....he has control over it genius

now an argument to that may be, hes never shown that power......neither has sephiroth though has he? or does he have the ability just for being Sephiroth? hahaha

Theres a difference between, being able to just pick up metal and move it around, and having total molecular control over metal, Sephiroth had total control over the negative lifestream, he even says he would transform the entire planet into his ship.

No, Kain doesnt have control over those things.

Lets see.. you already know what the lifestream is capable of, Sephiroth has control over it, he even states he will turn the planet into his ship, he proved he had control over it, with a gesture of his hand he covered the entire city with it.


Just had to correct to, you contradicted urself.. you think Kains TK is strong, yet you called Sephiroths weak, when obviously Sephiroth has much more powerful TK then Kain.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Theres a difference between, being able to just pick up metal and move it around, and having total molecular control over metal, Sephiroth had total control over the negative lifestream, he even says he would transform the entire planet into his ship.

No, Kain doesnt have control over those things.

Lets see.. you already know what the lifestream is capable of, Sephiroth has control over it, he even states he will turn the planet into his ship, he proved he had control over it, with a gesture of his hand he covered the entire city with it.


Just had to correct to, you contradicted urself.. you think Kains TK is strong, yet you called Sephiroths weak, when obviously Sephiroth has much more powerful TK then Kain.

key woulds "would have done"...didnt, a lot of villains say they would do something but did not, and yes i suppose he would considering the lifestream is the planets spirit as it were

whats makes you say so? their the concepts he has power over thanks to the reaver, so he would be able to do anything with them.....same reasoning as you

all it can do from what ive seen is turn the planet into his ship, that wont help him in a fight on a planet that has no lifestream anyway. And when did he cover the city, all ive seen it do is fly above him, looks like a big black tornado

aye its merely a stronger blast but his much weaker at controlling smaller things with TK considering ive never seen him do it, assuming is pointless, controlling smaller things can be far more difficult than simply knocking a building down with a force

Well he has control over the negative lifestream. The Negative lifestream hasnt shown the ability to create materia. Just the regular one. Even then it takes ages. Just replayed it last night. So yeah. But just because he has control over something doesnt mean he has control over all its abilities

Originally posted by Csdabest
Well he has control over the negative lifestream. The Negative lifestream hasnt shown the ability to create materia. Just the regular one. Even then it takes ages. Just replayed it last night. So yeah. But just because he has control over something doesnt mean he has control over all its abilities

well exactley, thats the point i was trying to make, kain cannot neccerily (altho considering nothing is said much about its limits) control every aspect of the things he has at his disposal, neither can Sephiroth which is why kain was menstioned in the thread

but anyway, Sephiroth as Csdabest says has negative not regular, and furthermore, Ryu loses imo, i mean i dont know all of Ryus abilities, ime a noob at him, but KH Sephiroth seems to strongest sephirth and has all these fast powers and abilities

Originally posted by Burning thought
well exactley, thats the point i was trying to make, kain cannot neccerily (altho considering nothing is said much about its limits) control every aspect of the things he has at his disposal, neither can Sephiroth which is why kain was menstioned in the thread

but anyway, Sephiroth as Csdabest says has negative not regular, and furthermore, Ryu loses imo, i mean i dont know all of Ryus abilities, ime a noob at him, but KH Sephiroth seems to strongest sephirth and has all these fast powers and abilities
Well we haven't seen AC Seph at his full potential. AC is probably more powerful.

Thing I was pointing out that Sephiroth takes the majority but Ryu with everything in his arsenal has what it takes to take out sephiroth. just not at the consistency that sephiorth can take him out.

A baby with a sawed off shotgun has what it takes to kill Seph but who do you think is going to win.

hmm the baby?

if it was a baby cloud strife then it probably would

droolio

The baby is more than likely going to blow its face off. This is not the same type of situation. Ryubusa has Ninpo that can one hit kill Sephiroth. Not to mention he has skill that is more or equal to sephiroth when it comes to swords. He has a whole arsenal of weapons at his dissposal.Ryu is just as fast or almost as fast as sephiroth if not by Ninja Gaiden 2 release he will most likely be faster. Ryu can go intangible after further reveiwing the game. The true Dragon Sword is Omnipotent aginst evil Beings and sephiroth classifies as being evil. Ryu has one of the best chances of beating Sephiroth with out being an ominiverse being.

well i suppose if you say all those things are true, then perhaps Ryu could win a good few battles, its the speed ime unsure about, never seen Ryu go too fast, ive heart he has a good deal of ninpo and weapons and instangability

if thats all correct then against KH seph maybe he will take a Majority

Stop responding so fast. Wrong thread.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Stop responding so fast. Wrong thread.

lol

Yeah so far movement wise they seem to be just as fast as one another. But thats from a movie not a game. And as you know speed in game transfers differently a majority of the time to a movie. So far the fastest i have seen sephiroth move was in a fight with cloud and in KH slicing multiple times in a very short amout of time. But then again. In the up comming game of NG i have seen Ryu do the same thing and i count more slicing noises in the short amount of timet han Sephiroth.

So the complicated factor is speed. In this

Originally posted by Csdabest
Yeah so far movement wise they seem to be just as fast as one another. But thats from a movie not a game. And as you know speed in game transfers differently a majority of the time to a movie. So far the fastest i have seen sephiroth move was in a fight with cloud and in KH slicing multiple times in a very short amout of time. But then again. In the up comming game of NG i have seen Ryu do the same thing and i count more slicing noises in the short amount of timet han Sephiroth.

So the complicated factor is speed. In this

well, my two cents is the fast guy wins, i think Ryu may have more power or perhaps more useful abilities if not more powerful, like intangability and didnt you say he could make a lot of copies of himself? can they also fight at the same pwoer as he? or is it a trick thing?

but the main 2 cents i have to offer is the winner is the fastest guy

Sephiroth can move fast enough to seem like teleporting.

Originally posted by Furion
Sephiroth can move fast enough to seem like teleporting.

lol isnt that something Terry said? its not teleporting at all tho, teleporting is like you dont even excist in the physical plane while you teleport, Sephiroth could be punched in the face while he is moving, and teleporting is the same over long distances, wheras Sephiroth would tkae longer over a longer distance. a teleport wouldnt

except Seph can tele too.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well, my two cents is the fast guy wins, i think Ryu may have more power or perhaps more useful abilities if not more powerful, like intangability and didnt you say he could make a lot of copies of himself? can they also fight at the same pwoer as he? or is it a trick thing?

but the main 2 cents i have to offer is the winner is the fastest guy

Yeah he can make two copies of himself which are immortal. They last till the ryu dies or until Ryu runs out of stamina and or energy.

Also Sephiroth speed doesnt really do much since Ryu can teleport. And interwine teleporting with attacks.

Where has Sephiroth teleported?

Originally posted by Furion
except Seph can tele too.

KH Sephiroth CAN teleport,

i wouldnt doubt it if AC Sephiroth can teleport as well, it has been stated as the strongest Sephiroth, however we've only seen AC Sephiroth for about 10 minutes and at about 10% if even that, in FF7 a weaker Sephiroth, teleports too im pretty sure i remember times where he'd just appear out of nowhere.

Where are people getting all these Percentages from. He just wasnt at full. For all we know sephiroth could have been at 90% That 20 percent just being forget it im just gonna kill em. He just wasnt at full. Dont give me this wasnt even at 10% mess.


Also i have played both KH games and havent seen sephiroth teleport. When did he teleport.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Where are people getting all these Percentages from. He just wasnt at full. For all we know sephiroth could have been at 90% That 20 percent just being forget it im just gonna kill em. He just wasnt at full. Dont give me this wasnt even at 10% mess.


Also i have played both KH games and havent seen sephiroth teleport. When did he teleport.
OMG you Phail!
if Seph was at 90% he would be sweating and he wouldn't be smirking.
aparantly you haven't. in the KH2 fight Seph instantly goes into a black hole like thing and come out somewhere else
PHAILURE!

Sephiroth has never sweated in his life.....

Originally posted by Csdabest
OMG STFU yor being dumb. You arguing stuff that not directed to you. Im stating its crap that people say that they are the same only when it conveint but then go on and say that they are different in another thread.

But now after i responded to you nit picking every little thing I say. I do agree about it taking ages in a fountain. But im not exactly sure. i remember them saying somehtring about it but i dont remember it exactly


I just want to be loved cry

Originally posted by Furion
OMG you Phail!
if Seph was at 90% he would be sweating and he wouldn't be smirking.
aparantly you haven't. in the KH2 fight Seph instantly goes into a black hole like thing and come out somewhere else
PHAILURE!

Never in that fight did that happen.

Originally posted by Furion
OMG you Phail!
if Seph was at 90% he would be sweating and he wouldn't be smirking.
aparantly you haven't. in the KH2 fight Seph instantly goes into a black hole like thing and come out somewhere else
PHAILURE!

Um. Cloud was going all out and you didnt see a drop of sweat on him. I didnt say he was absolutely at 90%. Im was just making an example HOW NO ONE KNOWS WHAT LEVEL HE WAS AT. So correction my friend. You are wrong. So stfu tryna correct people when you absolutely no idea what people are talking about.

That is not an example of teleportation. Black Hole was a means of transportation. More like a gate way. That is not teleportation. Teleportation is something what Night cralwer or what Ryubusa does when he teleports to do his Izuna drop. Or what Goku does wit his instant transmission. Floating into a black home and ending up somehwere else is not teleportation. That is using a gate way to get to point a to point b quickly. So once again you have failed.

he teleported like Night Crawler. It's instant. PHail

nightcrawler>> Sephiroth, he would strangle him

Or teleport inside him haermm

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Or teleport inside him haermm

But then he'd get Jenova cells inside him.....

nah Sephiroth would cry out and nightcrawler would laugh beating on Sephiroth and strangling him, then pull his eyes out

Originally posted by Burning thought
nah Sephiroth would cry out and nightcrawler would laugh beating on Sephiroth and strangling him, then pull his eyes out

I doubt, Nigtcrawler would instantly loose control of himself, then Sephiroth has another puppet.

Nightcrawler is the crappiest excuse for a superhero I've seen. Nightcrawler teles infront of Seph and Seph punts him into a meatgrinder.

No. Its completely different. Nightcrawler just teleportated instantly. Sephiroth hate a ate that he had to go through to get from point A to point b. So guess what


YOU HAVE FAIL AGAIN

U fail for lying. Seph has instant Teleport. go look it up on Youtube.

How did I lie. someone else just stated that what you said never happened in the fights. And no You find it for me. Provide your proof.

So i went back and studied Some of the clips. Sephiroth seems to have a some teleportation. BUT NOT THAT WAY YOU MENTIONED. He doesnt teleport long distances either. It seems mostly to just move behind the person and it seems to be slow aswell as it takes 2 to 3 seconds for him to reappear right behind the person right when he was infront of them.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Where are people getting all these Percentages from. He just wasnt at full. For all we know sephiroth could have been at 90% That 20 percent just being forget it im just gonna kill em. He just wasnt at full. Dont give me this wasnt even at 10% mess.


Also i have played both KH games and havent seen sephiroth teleport. When did he teleport.


I estimated 10% beecause Sephiroth couldve killed Cloud at anytime during that battle, he toyed with him and talked to him throughout that battle while Cloud was going all out, and in ACC, its shown that Cloud was all bruised and cut, while Sephiroth wasnt even scartched, he even just stabbed him and picked him up and just talked to him more when he couldve just finished him there, Sephiroth didnt even bother to use any of his powers, just went melee, so im pretty sure if Sephiroth was 100% using all of his powers, and fought with an intent to kill he couldve killed 10+ Clouds, thats where the 10% estimation came from.

watch at 0:45, Cloud is clearly all beat up and bruised, and Sephiroth doesnt have a single scratch on him, then he just picks him up on the edge of his sword and talks to him some more
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Sephiroth teleports when he fights in both KH's... heres a random Sephiroth battle i found on youtube
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Originally posted by Burning thought
nightcrawler>> Sephiroth, he would strangle him
Besides the fact that Sephiroth is a worldwide threat with vast powers, and nightcrawler has been owned by cyclops and canonball before

Originally posted by Terryc250
Besides the fact that Sephiroth is a worldwide threat with vast powers, and nightcrawler has been owned by cyclops and canonball before Cyke and Cannonball could own Sephie too. They are X-Men for cryin out loud.

you guys hear about the cyclops kitty?

http://boingboing.net/images/CyclopsKitten2006.jpg

Originally posted by EvilAngel
you guys hear about the cyclops kitty?
Can he shoot eye-blasts? scared

Cloud wasnt bruised or scratched up. They didnt show any damage. and 10 percent is a horrible estimation

Originally posted by Csdabest
Cloud wasnt bruised or scratched up. They didnt show any damage. and 10 percent is a horrible estimation

Yes he was, I post videos for a reason you know.

plz actually read why i estimated 10% then tell me why its bad

1. I have advent Children. Cloud was not damaged at all did sephiroth stabbed him in the shoulder.

2. Talking while fighting doesnt mean you are barely trying.

3. Sephiroth wanted to make Cloud suffer and your not gonna make someone suffer by doing nothing.

4. It was still an intense fight. NO ONE KNOWS HOW OR WHY sephiroth is the strongest in VII.

5. The reason I stated that your estimation is bad is because since you dont know sephiroths full potential nor does anyone you cant give an estimation like that when you havent seen him on full. Its like giving an estimation on a jar of jelly beans when you havent seen the jar or the beans yet.

Estimations are bad when you have no base to place that estimation on. Just like opinion can be wrong if a person is misinformed on the subject or is challenging or contractdicting fact with an opinion. Which is why 10% is a bad Estimation. Or any estimation you or anyone else can really come up with.

Originally posted by Csdabest
1. I have advent Children. Cloud was not damaged at all did sephiroth stabbed him in the shoulder.

2. Talking while fighting doesnt mean you are barely trying.

3. Sephiroth wanted to make Cloud suffer and your not gonna make someone suffer by doing nothing.

4. It was still an intense fight. NO ONE KNOWS HOW OR WHY sephiroth is the strongest in VII.

5. The reason I stated that your estimation is bad is because since you dont know sephiroths full potential nor does anyone you cant give an estimation like that when you havent seen him on full. Its like giving an estimation on a jar of jelly beans when you havent seen the jar or the beans yet.

Estimations are bad when you have no base to place that estimation on. Just like opinion can be wrong if a person is misinformed on the subject or is challenging or contractdicting fact with an opinion. Which is why 10% is a bad Estimation. Or any estimation you or anyone else can really come up with.

Do you know what FF7:ACC is? Guess not, thats why i posted the video for you to see.

Talking while fighting shows that he is not taking the fight too seriously, it was even stated in the ultimania guide that Sephiroth did not exert himself a bit during that fight

He was obviously provoking him, he couldve killed him, but chose not to, he wanted to mamke him suffer, instead he just kept saying things like "How about i give you a present? How about despair?" or "What do you charish most? Ill be glad to take it away from you" Just to rub it in Clouds face that hes going to take away everything he charishes and let him know that

Sephiroth is stated by the creatorts to be the most powerful character, nothing is above him, he took control over a good portion of the planets power, with a gesture he was able to cover all of midgar with the negative lifestream, created a plague, created beings that are very powerful on their own, in FF7(a weaker sephiroth) he was able to hold back Holy(powerful enough to destroy the planet) throughout the game, he was shown to go intangable, at the end of AC he even said that he was going to turn the planet into his own vessel with the negative lifestream and soar the cosmos.

Sephiroth didnt even use any powers against Cloud, all he did was straight up melee battle him, and even in sword to sword fight he still didnt exert himself, and yet that was enough to kill Cloud, he couldve fatally stabbed him but he chose just to stab him and lift him up in the air to taunt him some more. If Sephiroth fought with an intent to kill using all of his powers, it should be more then enough to kill 10+ more Clouds.

That doesnt represent fighting skill. You have never seen sephiroth fight at full. so you cant give an estimate. Yes they said he was powerful than everyone. everyone know thats already. Just because he said and just beause he didnt stab him in the heart doesnt indicate he was only going around 10%. So untill you see sephiroth fight at 100% you can give an estimate on how what he was going at,. and yes I seen the video. NO there are no bruises on or cuts except for when sephiroth stabbed him.

Show me where you are comaring this 10% sephiroth too. Because Sephiroth has never been seen going at 100%. So once again. You estimation means nothing because you cant base it off of nothing.

oh yeah. and the reason he just didnt kill him. Is because he wanted to make him suffer. So now he didnt just kill him cuz he wasnt trying. He was trying to make him suffer. Not trying to kill him

uhh ok so what do you call these then?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4084/c1pa7.th.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/852/c2gh2.th.jpg

Sephiroth didnt even have a mark on him

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4121/61107773rt7.th.jpg


In the fight Cloud vs Sephiroth, he just used hand2hand, and didnt even try at that either, Sephiroth didnt use ANY of his powers, he has the power of the lifestream, can destroy just about anything, he has TK powerful enough to hold back holy and bring down tops of buildings effortlessly, and even magic he didnt use.. and still Sephiroth just fighting hand2hand with little effort was enough to kill Cloud, which is why i say if Sephiroth went all out 100% it should be enough to kill 10+ Clouds, if you do the math, it should mean that during that fight Sephiroth was probably going about 10%.. i say ESTIMATION for a reason.

Dirt marks. And romprevious fights. You forget cloud fought 4 previous fghtsright before sephiroth. All intense. Either way Your estimation is basd on BS snce you have never seen sephiorth at 100%. Its ok to say Freiza was at 10% becuase he showed and told yo each level he was at. So you can correctly judge But sephiroth now. he just fought. He didnt even said he wasnt trying. The creators just said he was the most powerful. and most likel he reason of that is because he has control ove a portion of the lifesteam. That doesnt men he has super strength, super speed, super indurance, and some other super attacks that he has never shown. Anything else will be pure fanboy speculation. So no you can be going 100 and not sweat. Speciallyif yuour going up ginst someone who i muh weaker than you and cloud was obviously much weaker than Sephroth.


So again. Compare that 10% Sephiroth estimation to a sephiorth who is at 100 percent. So far sephiroth has shown a constant at which he fight. ZFrom the Crisis Core, Adven Childen, Final Order, and the Genesis/Angeal fight. He basicly is the same in all the fights. So wouldnt that mean that is his level at which he fights at. Powers dont just enhance the flesh internally. Havig control over the lifestream is enough to make a character the strongest in the unierse.

But yeah. Once again you cant give an estimate like that. much less any estimate cuz no one sen sephiroth fightharder than that

If Seph's the most powerful being in FF7 and fought Chaos Vincent like that, he would get his ass kicked. Same with Omega.
DIRT MARKS!!!!! OMG Why the hell would those be dirt marks.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Dirt marks. And romprevious fights. You forget cloud fought 4 previous fghtsright before sephiroth. All intense. Either way Your estimation is basd on BS snce you have never seen sephiorth at 100%. Its ok to say Freiza was at 10% becuase he showed and told yo each level he was at. So you can correctly judge But sephiroth now. he just fought. He didnt even said he wasnt trying. The creators just said he was the most powerful. and most likel he reason of that is because he has control ove a portion of the lifesteam. That doesnt men he has super strength, super speed, super indurance, and some other super attacks that he has never shown. Anything else will be pure fanboy speculation. So no you can be going 100 and not sweat. Speciallyif yuour going up ginst someone who i muh weaker than you and cloud was obviously much weaker than Sephroth.


So again. Compare that 10% Sephiroth estimation to a sephiorth who is at 100 percent. So far sephiroth has shown a constant at which he fight. ZFrom the Crisis Core, Adven Childen, Final Order, and the Genesis/Angeal fight. He basicly is the same in all the fights. So wouldnt that mean that is his level at which he fights at. Powers dont just enhance the flesh internally. Havig control over the lifestream is enough to make a character the strongest in the unierse.

But yeah. Once again you cant give an estimate like that. much less any estimate cuz no one sen sephiroth fightharder than that

Cloud was unscratched from his previous fights, and wouldnt it be kinda weird that only Cloud gets "dirt marks" and not Sephiroth? And if i remember correctly when they were talking about ACC they talked about Cloud and bruises/scratches in his fight against Sephiroth.

I estimate Sephiroth at 100%, we know the powers of sephiroth, we know what the powers are capable of doing, we know Sephiroth is more powerful then Chaos, Omega, WEAPONs, Weiss, Minerva, i estimate the handicap he gave himself, and what he limited himself too, he didnt use ANY powers, except a little TK for fun, and he only did melee, at which he didnt even exert himself.

Im sure anyone with knowledge of Sephiroth would agree that if he fought at 100% with an intent to kill using all of his powers, he can kill atleast 10+ Clouds.


Sephiroth in CC is MUCH more weaker and less powerful then AC, you forget that in CC/FO, Sephiroth is using his regular infused body, he already lost that body in the lifestream, the one in AC is 100% Jenova/NL, not human at all.

Csdabest is onto something here, everything about Sephiroth being the most powerful being, may all be down to the fact he has control over the nagative lifestream, nothing to do with spells, power, strength or speed at all, that as Csdabest says sounds like blatent assumptions and fanlove all the way through

can someone prove evidence he is the most powerful in the FF world before he has the lfiestream, i mean its obvious afer corrupting it and when hes got the thing with him, hes likely more powerful than anything in FF because everything in FF gains power from the stream...he could likely take that power away or make them rejoin with it, more speculation but its a good one, why cant i specualte if Sephiroth fans can

but Csdabest brings a good point, perhaps its only because he has the negative ifestream he is powerful, because thats where everything in FF gets power from, so technically, in the face of others in fiction, he would be nothing in comparison to them, maybe even this Ryu (KH sephiroth version may be, its diffrent, which makes me wonder but hell, off-topic is fun and meaningful sometimes) is stronger than AC sephiroth quite comfortably, none of his power is anything to do with the Lifestream, does seph even get it as default part of his power in debates?

"Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

-Tetsuya Nomura

Yet another quote of him stating Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, this is BEFORE he had the negative lifestream.

That's in the FFVII universe.

In an interveiw he was said to be the strongest, fastest, skillful and most enduring.

Look at Chaos vincent's speed and Omega's strength, now you're going to say that's not powerful?

I'm not saying that he's not powerful, I think Seph and Zomulgustav are smexy but that interview applies to the FFVII universe.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
That's in the FFVII universe.

Yes.. who said it wasnt?

Thing is i only saw an interview have DC saying that he was the most powerful character iun the game, That they couldnt make a character anymore powerful. Because you never ever see sephiroth going as fast as Omega or Chaos. So you really cant give a feat sephiroth a feat for something he has never done

Originally posted by Csdabest
Thing is i only saw an interview have DC saying that he was the most powerful character iun the game, That they couldnt make a character anymore powerful. Because you never ever see sephiroth going as fast as Omega or Chaos. So you really cant give a feat sephiroth a feat for something he has never done

by the same logic Organization XIII gets solo'd by an ant. No one has ever seen them kill one.

The Interview he says Sephiroth is "stronger" this is a mistranslation as i have said many times. The word he uses is a term used to describe a warrior, it means faster, strong, skillful and endurance.

Don't shift around given facts, tis lame

Do you read japanese. No so hush. You said mistranslation. That means the trranslation you got can be wrong as well. He didnt say faster,skillful, and endurance.

Also the rebuttal of my logic i have presented is silly. saiying OXIII gets soloed by an ant. Your talking foolish now. What can a ant do. Lift up to 10x its body weight. The organization has elemental and astranomical power. The organization has way more mass that 10x an ant size. And ants are known to get squished. Stop talking foolish.

Also how in the world do you know what he meant. did you ask. Like always fanboy assumption. Its states powerful. I have seen on multiple sites the same interview and the majority translation said powerful, while yes a few did say stronger. But once again. The only thing we have seen is the negative lifestream. As we know is extremely powerful. Which should put sephiroth above anyone in that universe. As it said in another interview. That no one in FVII is above him he is the most powerful characeter in the game.

Once again. Provide visual proof that sephiroth is faster than omega or chaos. Or has shown more skill then he has already shown. Why would they make such a bold statement in most likely his last showing, if he could move faster, and use more skill? Stop being foolish.

well ime with Csdabest still, ive not seen any feats from sephiroth at all rly, nothing special in speed or strength and ive seen the words "powerful" used for him also

and i think its all because of negative stream hes so high in AC, thats all, apart from that hes just a enhanced soldier, without Neg lifestream Omega would douche the guy and so would vincent imo, theyve shown feats

Originally posted by Csdabest
Do you read japanese. No so hush.


Nihongo o hanashimasu ka?

Nihongo o sukoshi hanashimasu, dou itashimashite

Originally posted by Csdabest
Do you read japanese. No so hush. You said mistranslation. That means the trranslation you got can be wrong as well. He didnt say faster,skillful, and endurance.

Also the rebuttal of my logic i have presented is silly. saiying OXIII gets soloed by an ant. Your talking foolish now. What can a ant do. Lift up to 10x its body weight. The organization has elemental and astranomical power. The organization has way more mass that 10x an ant size. And ants are known to get squished. Stop talking foolish.

Also how in the world do you know what he meant. did you ask. Like always fanboy assumption. Its states powerful. I have seen on multiple sites the same interview and the majority translation said powerful, while yes a few did say stronger. But once again. The only thing we have seen is the negative lifestream. As we know is extremely powerful. Which should put sephiroth above anyone in that universe. As it said in another interview. That no one in FVII is above him he is the most powerful characeter in the game.

Once again. Provide visual proof that sephiroth is faster than omega or chaos. Or has shown more skill then he has already shown. Why would they make such a bold statement in most likely his last showing, if he could move faster, and use more skill? Stop being foolish. Cosigned.

The statement that Sephiroth is more powerful than anything in FFVII pretty much proves that if you were to ask the creators or if they were to make a film of Sephiroth fighting anything else in FFVII while not holding back, Sephiroth would win.

This does not confirm that he has greater stats (such as speed, strength, etc.) than characters like Chaos or Weiss. It could, but we could only assume. Once again, it just means he would beat them. God only (and I guess the creators) know how that would happen.

As in my given opinion earlier, any version of Sephiroth should take this 70% at least, meaning, yes, Ryu could win some bouts (with the True Dragon Sword).

Originally posted by Terryc250
"Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

-Tetsuya Nomura

Yet another quote of him stating Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, this is BEFORE he had the negative lifestream.

Sephiroth was the only SOLDIER that was infused with the cells at birth, thats why he has the powerful mind, in a way he literally is Jenova's son.

Now, humans infused with cells of Jenova become super humans, just some cells of jenova are able to turn humans into beings like Zack and Cloud, with monstrous speed and strength.

Weiss, gained his powers from his body being exposed to lifestream/mako(lifestream in liquid form) for a long period, thats how he got so fast

Sephiroth in AC is 100% JENOVA AND LIFESTREAM, he was no human at all.

Even though all we see is him toying around in AC, he creates beings (much weaker aspects of himself)that are comparable speed to Weiss, in FF7 there were parts where Sephiroth teleports and thats a weaker incarnatation of AC Sephiroth, even in Kingdom Hearts, Sephiroth teleports, why would Tetsuya make Sephiroth teleport in KH, if the strongest version of Sephiroth(AC Sephiroth) is unable to? Thats why i think its safe to assume Sephiroth is atleast as fast as Weiss

Originally posted by Terryc250
Yes.. who said it wasnt?

So that implies that his power can be dwarfed in another universe.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
So that implies that his power can be dwarfed in another universe.
Yes.. and what is your point..?

Someone asked to prove he was the strongest in the FFVII world before he had control of the negative lifestream, and i just gave him the quote, thats all.. i didnt say he was the most powerful in the entire video game omniverse.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth was the only SOLDIER that was infused with the cells at birth, thats why he has the powerful mind, in a way he literally is Jenova's son.

Now, humans infused with cells of Jenova become super humans, just some cells of jenova are able to turn humans into beings like Zack and Cloud, with monstrous speed and strength.

Weiss, gained his powers from his body being exposed to lifestream/mako(lifestream in liquid form) for a long period, thats how he got so fast

Sephiroth in AC is 100% JENOVA AND LIFESTREAM, he was no human at all.

Even though all we see is him toying around in AC, he creates beings (much weaker aspects of himself)that are comparable speed to Weiss, in FF7 there were parts where Sephiroth teleports and thats a weaker incarnatation of AC Sephiroth, even in Kingdom Hearts, Sephiroth teleports, why would Tetsuya make Sephiroth teleport in KH, if the strongest version of Sephiroth(AC Sephiroth) is unable to? Thats why i think its safe to assume Sephiroth is atleast as fast as Weiss

If you talking about Loz speed is comparible to Weiss. Then no. Thats silly. Loz speed is nothing on the levels of Weiss. Sephirot or anything of sephiroth created in humanoid form has never even come close to weiss. so i dont think he is atleast as fast as weiss. Also Teleportation is not speed. In that case Then RYubusa is as fast as weiss if we use teleportation. I know Ryubusa is fast but i wont go that far to say he is that fast.

You didn't listen to a thing he said. If Weiss got so fast from being in the lifestream, and Cloud and Zack got to be so fast from getting J-Cells injected into them. Sephiroth is completely made up of Lifestream and J-Cells. Logic says that he's atleast as fast as Weiss.

If you actually watch the chaos/weiss fight, they move the same as Loz, the only point where they seem faster is when they both simultanously start blinking around, and that can only be done when 2 really fast ppl fight eachother, Loz never fought anyone really fast like himself.

Furion. That logic wasnt proven so no. Just no. Also terry They moved much faster than Loz. Chaos appeared to have been stabbed. His afterimage lagged so badly it was for about 10 secouns untile it faded out. And he was already behind him. Also the point you made it only happens when two people start moving simultanously is rubbish. There is no constant evidence of that. So we have to go by on what we see. Clashes were seen on different parts of the battle feild. Loz doesnt even move that fast or clear the same amount of distance in that time. They are way beyond the speed of Loz.

Speed isn't really that nessesary in a fight,
as long as one of either is can react fast enough he won't have to chase after a fleeing enimy.

it could be handy though when you need to dodge a collapsing building.

Proven as a no no? How so? Weiss got his power/speed from his human body being exposed to lifestream/mako for long period of time, Sephiroths body is Jenova(a billion times superior then a human body) and lifestream itself.

If you actually just watch the speed jumps, and ignore the special slow motion effects, and noise, its not much different from Loz, pay attention to the regular speed jumping from 0:20 to 0:50, the only part where weiss/chaos seems like they surpass Loz' speed is when theyre both similtaneously high speed fighting, its possible Loz can do that too, hes just never fought a person as fast as he is before , btw after image does not = uber speed (if that even was an after image)
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So our saying just because they are from thesame general source the same outcomewill happen. No. Just no. Specialy witht he different circumstances on how they are made. Your basicly saying that the same mothe rand father have three different kids and they will all have the same strengths. That still a no. Right now your assuming just because he was pure blood he will instntly be fasterut thats not the case. As itrs iunproven.

I cant bevelive your really arguing Loz is anywhere near th the speed of Chaos and Weiss. If anything Loz had more sspecial affects.

Also have you ever heard of sizing out inth beginning of the battle. They were clearly not going at full speed in the beginning o their batle. As proven when they start moving at untracable speeds. Also the beginning of their battle was also mostly in slow motion. Sephiroth nor Loz at fll speed ever came close to matching Chaos and Weiss full speed

Haven't seen Seph at full speed. KH can go fast as shown at the start of the battle. Loz is a weak remnant of Seph so his speed is not comparable to Seph's.