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It's been done before but I think its something worth revisiting since there wasn't a clear winner in the last threads. Overall who is more powerful?

Current Thor is no different in terms of power set than original Thor. And despite being made a herald again, it's unclear how much Surfer was boosted, or if he was at all.

In any case, this is still the same fight as ever. Thor for me, but I realize a good case could be made for Norrin.

I can't honestly say. It's tad early to be starting these matchups because we haven't seen enough of Thor to accurately gauge his power level.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Current Thor is no different in terms of power set than original Thor. And despite being made a herald again, it's unclear how much Surfer was boosted, or if he was at all.

In any case, this is still the same fight as ever. Thor for me, but I realize a good case could be made for Norrin.

Interesting..Has this been confirmed? I recall someone saying that he'd be returning at near RLT levels. We haven't seen enough to say that he isn't.

thor ftw

Im undecided but I assume SS's speed could give him a win. Speedbltiz should do the trick am I right?

Who cares? The writer would decide! That's fiction...

It's a close fight if Thor fights intelligently.

If not, the Surfer takes it pretty regularly.

Convince me!

thor rapes if he fight intellegently

thor takes a 7-8/10 majority other wise

Surfer draws if he fights intellegently

Surfer is faster though, Im surpirsed there fights have not been written with him just speedblitzing Thor FTW.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Current Thor is no different in terms of power set than original Thor. And despite being made a herald again, it's unclear how much Surfer was boosted, or if he was at all.

In any case, this is still the same fight as ever. Thor for me, but I realize a good case could be made for Norrin.
It seems that Thor was upgraded from his classic self. Well at least his durability with him taking the disinagrator beam from the Destroyer at point blank range.

And bout the whole "Annihilation" Surfer thing, Surfer was not upgraded by Galactus. G just simply removed away his mental blocks nothing more.

Anywayz I would say say Thor wins with slim majority.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
thor rapes if he fight intellegently

Thor will not be raping anyone in this fight let alone Surfer
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Surfer is faster though, Im surpirsed there fights have not been written with him just speedblitzing Thor FTW.
Thor has handled speed blitz(s) before in the past e.g. Gladiator.

Originally posted by Priest
And bout the whole "Annihilation" Surfer thing, Surfer was not upgraded by Galactus. G just simply removed away his mental blocks nothing more.


While I agree on the mental blocks thing. Galactus also states (before he does anything to surfer) That he would make surfer more powerful.

Originally posted by Priest
It seems that Thor was upgraded from his classic self. Well at least his durability with him taking the disinagrator beam from the Destroyer at point blank range.

And bout the whole "Annihilation" Surfer thing, Surfer was not upgraded by Galactus. G just simply removed away his mental blocks nothing more.

Anywayz I would say say Thor wins with slim majority.


Thor will not be raping anyone in this fight let alone Surfer

Thor has handled speed blitz(s) before in the past e.g. Gladiator.
What has surfer done above thor?

Originally posted by Inhuman
While I agree on the mental blocks thing. Galactus also states (before he does anything to surfer) That he would make surfer more powerful.
Surfer always was more powerful than he normally was, BUT him taking the mental blocks way would have him hold back less making him more powerful. Well that is my interpretation on it

Anywho, Surfer had some nice showings in Annihilation but I don't think he's done anything in the series that he couldn't do before.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer always was more powerful than he normally was, BUT him taking the mental blocks way would have him hold back less making him more powerful. Well that is my interpretation on it

Anywho, Surfer had some nice showings in Annihilation but I don't think he's done anything in the series that he couldn't do before.

I was talking about this...(Grant you NEW power)

http://i15.tinypic.com/7xo55qd.jpg


but reading further after that. You may be right

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Current Thor is no different in terms of power set than original Thor. And despite being made a herald again, it's unclear how much Surfer was boosted, or if he was at all.

In any case, this is still the same fight as ever. Thor for me, but I realize a good case could be made for Norrin.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
What has surfer done above thor?
Nothing much in comics.
But in a fight over here, Surfer does certainly pose more of a threat than was was depicted in comics.

Originally posted by Priest
Nothing much in comics.
But in a fight over here, Surfer does certainly pose more of a threat than was was depicted in comics.
Well we base our guesses off of feats so...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Well we base our guesses off of feats so...
They both have feats that are equally impressive

Thor wins because of his absorption capabilities and his strength advantage.

so surfer has beaten hulk?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
so surfer has beaten hulk? Yes, a couple of times actually.

when?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
when?

Years ago.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
when?
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2899/silversurfer199712527ks9.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9434/silversurfer199712528ty9.jpg

There was another time when Norrin drained the Hulk of his Gamma rays and reverted him back to Banner..

Originally posted by Larceny
Years ago.
Surfer did give the Hulk a minor beat own in Planet Hulk using H2H skills only.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer did give the Hulk a minor beat own in Planet Hulk using H2H skills only.

Didn't wanna bring that up. No all the fanboys will be on here talking about how Hulk >>>>>> Surfer.

Actually there has been alot of times Surfer has beat the hulk Effortlessly. To the point where Hulk got to be scared of the surfer(Or just plain respected him and knew his place). Almost killed Hulk once.
Dont have time right now to look for the scans.

Originally posted by Larceny
Didn't wanna bring that up. No all the fanboys will be on here talking about how Hulk >>>>>> Surfer.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Actually there has been alot of time Surfer has beat the hulk Effortlessly. To the point where Hulk got to be scared of the surfer(Or just plain respected him and knew his place). Almost killed Hulk once.
Dont have time right now to look for the scans.
U have the scan when the hulk couldent even see Surfer comming at him and knocked him on his ass? Also in the same fight, Hulk addmits Surfer is more STONGER than himself

Originally posted by Priest
U have the scan when the hulk couldent even see Surfer comming at him on his ass? Also in the same fight, Hulk addmits Surfer is more STONGER than himself


I think I do. I just got to go soon. Ill look for them after I come back

Surfer.

Also, Surfer has beaten Hulk like 4 times or more...

http://i19.tinypic.com/8bfpu9j.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/82tk41l.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/6wz8w0m.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/6qe575v.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6xlsj8y.jpg


I have a few more. *Looking*

Originally posted by Inhuman
http://i19.tinypic.com/8bfpu9j.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/82tk41l.jpg

http://i18.tinypic.com/6wz8w0m.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/6qe575v.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6xlsj8y.jpg


I have a few more. *Looking*
For the first one he didnt beat him. 1 scan does not prove that.

For the second one he changed him back to banner... does that even count? If it does then sentry beat hulk.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
For the first one he didnt beat him. 1 scan does not prove that.

For the second one he changed him back to banner... does that even count? If it does then sentry beat hulk.

Surfer choses not to kill hulk.
Your telling me that based on those scans norin cant beat or kill hulk if he chooses?

I will say Thor looks more impressive than usual in his current run, but i dont think its enough to put him over Surfer for a majority.

Silver Surfer takes down Thor 7-8/10 times.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Surfer choses not to kill hulk.
Your telling me that based on those scans norin cant beat or kill hulk if he chooses?
The first one tell me no

the seoncd confirms that no because he didnt actually beat hulk. He radiation brfed him.

He could blink banner away thou.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
The first one tell me no

the seoncd confirms that no because he didnt actually beat hulk. He radiation brfed him.

He could blink banner away thou. He's drained his gamma twice, and KO'ed him twice without draining his gamma.

here you go priest


http://i19.tinypic.com/8eb1kr5.jpg


have to go now. But I have another scan showing the hulk respecting and even being scared of surver. Ill find it later.

Anyway...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk00.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk01.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk02.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk03.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk3.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/TheIncredibleHulkv2-250-19.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/TheIncredibleHulkv2-250-32.jpg

that is better

Imo the Silver Surfer wins.

http://i19.tinypic.com/8fcf2ux.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/6tbfndw.jpg

I give this to Surfer on the account fo the speedblitz.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
For the first one he didnt beat him. 1 scan does not prove that.

For the second one he changed him back to banner... does that even count? If it does then sentry beat hulk. In a fight if the opponent is defenseless than that constitutes as a win. Did you expect him to finish the job and kill him after?

Silver Surfer is remorseless now and basically serves the will and purpose of Galactus wholly. I was never surprised by any of his feats in 'Annihilation' as I thought them possible pre-Annihilation. Same thing with Thor. Although he never actually created Asgard out of thin air and held it afloat above ground, I never believed Thor below such a feat. But I will concede that it's nice to see such clear illustrations of their powers in current series.

But because I don't think their peak power levels in the past differ very much from the present, I find their past battles to be very informative in my opinion. And if my memory serves me well, their fights have see-sawed back and forth. Although, when Thor has gone Warrior Madness, as he is apt to do against powerhouses, he has literally humiliated Silver Surfer. But putting that aside, because the Surfer has almost never appeared blood-lusted to the same capacity, I'll say:

Split 5/10.

I think Surfer wins this by a clear and comfortable margin. yes he seems to have been a bit feeble in past encounters with Thor but there isn't a single aspect of their powersets where Thor eclipses him, imo.

strength: Surfer can amp to far greater than WM Thor
speed: Surfer is in a whole other league, the best Thor can do is 2-3x C
stamina: Surfer has zero fatigue and an unending power source compared to Mjolnir's on-panel limits
strategy: Surfer's apparently an astronomer... bit thick though Thor's cool but ... bit foolish, call it evens.

now moving on from the Ses...
versatility: Thor can do almost anything Surfer can do with Mjolnir, except enter hyperspace, the macroverse and the precise dna/molecular manipulations that Surfer can do planet-wide (and instantaneously). Surfer can manufacture a +synthetic+ version of the Odinforce and make it to just as good levels, as he did for BRB. so I'm giving this to Surfer too.

now onto specifically offensive aspects...
range: Surfer without question.
accuracy: Surfer without question.
concentrated blast power: Surfer imo, GodBlast has definite limits which could likely be eclipsed by PC.
aggression: Thor without question .
mental/mystical attacks: evens. Thor has magic, Surfer has TP. neither are all that proficient with either power but both do possess them.

defensive aspects...
intangibility: Surfer.
energy manipulation/deflection: evens/poss. Surfer (UniLord's dark energies feat is major, as is shunting the Big Crunch)
evasive maneuvers: Surfer without question (10000x faster and better reaction speed)
durability: Surfer imo, though Thor's not been slapped around by Thanos quite so humiliatingly .
mental/mystical defence: Thor (though Surfer has high resistance too)

...


anyway, Surfer 8+/10 imo.

Surfer has Thor in range, durability and stamina? lmfao

When has Surfer ever amplified his powers up to levels above Warrior Madness? And why didn't he do it when Thor was actually in warrior madness?

I'll deal with that ridiculous post of yours when I get home. You can try to get up a scan or two to back up those laughable claims of yours.

you know, it's often quoted here on the forums that in vs. battles, characters fight to the best of their abilities....

If we apply those board rules to this fight, what is to keep surfer from

opening a singularity in Thor's brain?

Creating a black hole where Thor's heart is?

Transmuting Thor's eyes so they receive only the light spectrum emitted by stars, leaving thor intermittently blind with light and blind with darkness, thereby giving surfer the edge in surprise and pre-emptive strike?

Track Thor's movements from across the galaxy, then speed-blitz to wrest mjolnir from his hand, a la Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
you know, it's often quoted here on the forums that in vs. battles, characters fight to the best of their abilities....

If we apply those board rules to this fight, what is to keep surfer from

opening a singularity in Thor's brain?

Creating a black hole where Thor's heart is?

Transmuting Thor's eyes so they receive only the light spectrum emitted by stars, leaving thor intermittently blind with light and blind with darkness, thereby giving surfer the edge in surprise and pre-emptive strike?

Track Thor's movements from across the galaxy, then speed-blitz to wrest mjolnir from his hand, a la Infinity Gauntlet?
O idk the fact that first off surfer hasnt shown himself capable of doing most of that and the fact that thor has an equaly deadly powerset and raw power advantage and the fact that surfer has flat out admitted thor is more powerful.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
O idk the fact that first off surfer hasnt shown himself capable of doing most of that and the fact that thor has an equaly deadly powerset and raw power advantage and the fact that surfer has flat out admitted thor is more powerful.

He said, himself, that he was capable of opening singularities inside another being. He has created blackholes. He has transmuted organic matter. He has tracked space-dust from lightyears away.

So, which 'most' of that should he be incapable of? Theoretically speaking, of course. .

Surfer saying Thor is more powerful means nothing, SS holds himself back so we dont really know how poerful he can become.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Surfer saying Thor is more powerful means nothing, SS holds himself back so we dont really know how poerful he can become.
Sufer know how powerful he is

Saying that thor is stronger means a hell of alot more then what any of you could say.

how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).

I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...

Originally posted by janus77
how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).

I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...

It was an insane durability feat. Galactus himself commented that even he wouldn't be able to channel the crunch's energies for long.

true.

I was just trying to preempt any comments that it wasn't a durability feat as he wasn't durable enough to handle the energies (ie that he was dying).

The Big Crunch thing was the only feat of his from Annihilation that I found really iffy. Then again, everybody has at least 1 rediculous feat under their belt. Like Thor taking the Destroyer Beam to the face.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The Big Crunch thing was the only feat of his from Annihilation that I found really iffy. Then again, everybody has at least 1 rediculous feat under their belt. Like Thor taking the Destroyer Beam to the face.

That has less to do with Thor's durability and more to do with the durability of his new armor - same reason he's suddenly bullet proof.





















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Originally posted by janus77
how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).

I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...

1. There were galactus level. They were barely Weakened galactus level

2. Surfer got hit a total of 4 times

3. All he really did was surf on the energy he didnt actually do anything with it.

he got hit by beings whom Galactus considered near equals. beings who individually gave Galactus - a 'normal' Galactus - a fight. he survived. and they were trying to kill him.

Surfer manipulated/channeled/surfed energies that even Galactus wouldn't be able to similarly manipulate for too long (naturally that's still a hell of a lot longer than Surfer can/could but the point is that it took immense durability/stamina to do it - and it impressed Galactus!).

come on, you can't seriously even argue against Surfer on this one.

Originally posted by janus77
he got hit by beings whom Galactus considered near equals. beings who individually gave Galactus - a 'normal' Galactus - a fight. he survived. and they were trying to kill him.

Surfer manipulated/channeled/surfed energies that even Galactus wouldn't be able to similarly manipulate for too long (naturally that's still a hell of a lot longer than Surfer can/could but the point is that it took immense durability/stamina to do it - and it impressed Galactus!).

come on, you can't seriously even argue against Surfer on this one.
The only thing im arguing about really is the strength of tenebreous and aegis
They allegedly gave normal galactus a fight but you must remember it was 2 on 1
Even weakened galactus was getting the better of tenebroues

Originally posted by Soljer
That has less to do with Thor's durability and more to do with the durability of his new armor - same reason he's suddenly bullet proof.


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dureek Ouuuu, Larceny is gonna get you for saying that. vin

If the Surfer can separate Thor from Mjolnir, like in their first fight, and this time not hover and monologue afterwards, Surfer wins, hands down.

If he can't separate them, Thor would have to be able to handle a powerful, multifacted attack by an opponent who is generally faster than he is (I'm not talking speedblitz, just noticeably faster). Thor will have to fight smart or he'll lose.

I really don't know how powerful each character currently is, but it may all be a matter of battle endurance, and I suspect Thor is the superior here. Whatever Norrin may be, he's not a warrior, not at heart, not even with all inhibitions removed. Thor is. If he can hold out over time, odds are he'll win. If not...

Hmm so SS 6/10 is what im getting.

Honestly...writer's call.

I know, but amonst the fans who do we consider more powerful overall. There has to be a clear winner here.

Split or slight edge to either.

Originally posted by Larceny
Split or slight edge to either.

When I'm not just posting for idle entertainment, I'd probably say the same thing.

When I'm arguing just to argue, or just screwing around, it's closer to 8-9/10 to the Surfer.

So then ill give SS 7/10 based on speedblitz.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then ill give SS 7/10 based on speedblitz.

Because Thor hasn't deflected lightspeed attacks, psychic attacks, or dealt with the Surfer's speed before.

And the Surfer regularly, or, hell - EVER - speedblitzes opponents in a Superman or Flash-like fashion.

Thats the magic of wonky/bad writing my friends.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Thats the magic of wonky/bad writing my friends.

It's bad writing when a character is not portrayed the way you wish he were?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I know, but amonst the fans who do we consider more powerful overall. There has to be a clear winner here.
((and here I thought I was gonna get off easy))

H'mm...
Well, in terms of who's "more powerful overall," I am inclined to give the edge to Thor because he's the warrior at heart. Plus he has Mjolnir.

Nonetheless...

In a fight, I'm inclined to lean toward SS because he's less dependent on his board than Thor is on his hammer. I refer again to their first fight where SS (who was not even on his board at that moment) suceeded in Thor-Mjolnir separation, after which SS had Thor down very handidly.

That said...I say split decision, depending on circumstances, and if for no other reason that I think it's more fun this way.

*imagines Thor and Surfer seated across from one another at a heavy oak table, mugs of mead in hand, sizing each other up*

I still say a well written SS would speedblitz Thor, or maybe even simply overpower hm with his cosmic amping.

I honestly don't think Surfer would need to speedblitz Thor, though obviously he is well capable of it.

read Annihilation again, see how Surfer is capable of matching Thanos' level of power output (the key to unlocking the device used to imprison Galactus) and still carry the fight against the Wave.

also, before that incident, Galactus explicitly stated that he gave Surfer a power upgrade, among other changes he offered. Surfer declined the offer to have his conscience stripped but did not decline the power upgrade (though he does not state his assent either, but it is implied that he is upgraded).

I don't think that Annihilation Surfer can even be put down by Thor. especially when you bring Thor into proper perspective. Thor doesn't even register beside creatures like Aegis and Teneberous, hell I doubt Odin would even register. and Surfer took a beating from both of them, survived and then channeled the Big Crunch and eliminated them with it (and in the process nearly killed himself) ... Thor's not in his league, imo.

is there anything to kinda prove that Thor can succeed where more substantive "gods" have failed?

Originally posted by Soljer
Because Thor hasn't deflected lightspeed attacks, psychic attacks, or dealt with the Surfer's speed before.

And the Surfer regularly, or, hell - EVER - speedblitzes opponents in a Superman or Flash-like fashion. Is it possible though to think that Surfer would do it to Thor based off of the first fight (not counting BaT, 'cause that was pure ass juice)?
I mean, it worked before, he's done it before to Thor... it's quite plausible to think he's going to do it again to Thor.

Surfer Seems more durable, faster and all around more adept at using his powers. Thor is a better fighter. Both have had upgrades, so it's a toss up. I'd say surfer may be as much as 50% as powerful as Thanos was. Given that he had to use both hands and all of his might to power the unlocking machine.