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2 week prep, who'd win?

Phoenix should stalemate against a normal Galactus,
but with Two weeks prep, big G ftw, in a stomp.

Is this Jean, Rachel, Giruad or Vulcan Phoenix

Its between Phoenix Force and Galactus

Rachel defeated Galactus

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix should stalemate against a normal Galactus,
but with Two weeks prep, big G ftw, in a stomp.
I'd put my money on SS

Originally posted by guy222
Is this Jean, Rachel, Giruad or Vulcan Phoenix

Its between Phoenix Force and Galactus

Rachel defeated Galactus

I Was thinking of Dark Pheonix

Originally posted by guy222
Rachel defeated Galactus
A "Starving" Galactus, but who's counting.

Originally posted by Skywalker-Kong
I Was thinking of Dark Pheonix
Normal G wins, not easily, but wins nontheless.

Originally posted by Mr Master
A "Starving" Galactus, but who's counting.

I know, good buddy

Utrigita and Tenebrous should post also

Originally posted by Skywalker-Kong
I Was thinking of Dark Pheonix

Dark Phoenix killed billions

Surfer

Phoenix easily.

Originally posted by guy222
Dark Phoenix killed billions

Galactus kills trillions.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix should stalemate against a normal Galactus.

What has normal Galactus shown that can stalemate Phoenix?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Normal G wins, not easily, but wins nontheless.

Shi'ar also considered DP more of a threat than Galactus.
Why? Maybe because they realize it is, because being more powerful.

Phoenix stomps him.

Surfer is a non-factor.

Phoenix wins.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Why? Maybe because they realize it is, because being more powerful.

Phoenix stomps him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
A "Starving" Galactus, but who's counting.

Irrelevant. Galactus is a being who requires outside sustenance. Phoenix is hooked up to an infinite energy source. Glaactus could have just eaten a planet and still lost to Phoenix.

He would eventually exhaust his energy reserves and then be back to square one.

Galactus admitted his major disadvantage to Phoenix in their conflict which you're referring to:

"I hover near to death, exhausted in our struggle, while you are neither weary, nor hungry, because you tap into a source of near limitless potential"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29813174987.jpg

Here Galactus' limitations are highlighted again by Maelstrom who at the time was an avatar for Oblivion:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/18311505273.jpg

Galactus is limited by his need for outside sustenance. He eats, his reserves are depleted, then he must eat again.

Originally posted by Madvillain
Surfer is a non-factor.

Phoenix wins.

Hey GS, did u like the issue with Vulcan Phoenix

lol, Silver Surfer!?

Originally posted by Xplosive
What has normal Galactus shown that can stalemate Phoenix?
He's shown all four,
to lose, stalemate, stomp or erase from existence.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Shi'ar also considered DP more of a threat than Galactus.
Why? Maybe because they realize it is, because being more powerful.
Or perhaps cause they know Galactus can control himself,
while the Force in flesh is unpredictable.

stoned

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Irrelevant. Galactus is a being who requires outside sustenance. Phoenix is hooked up to an infinite energy source. Glaactus could have just eaten a planet and still lost to Phoenix.

He would eventually exhaust his energy reserves and then be back to square one.

Galactus admitted his major disadvantage to Phoenix in their conflict which you're referring to:

"I hover near to death, exhausted in our struggle, while you are neither weary, nor hungry, because you tap into a source of near limitless potential"

Again, that's against a Starving Galactus:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1162/g1ha2.th.jpg

"I have NEED of SUSTENANCE"

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Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9302/g2qw8.th.jpg

"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"

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Nice try ....

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here Galactus' limitations are highlighted again by Maelstrom
who at the time was an avatar for Oblivion:
Maelstrom had,
the Anomaly's power/status,
Eon's Cosmic Awareness,
and Quasar's Quantum Bands
plus, he was Oblivion's agent.

But let's leave all that out.

Let's also forget about this ...

Normal Galactus didn't admit any of that crap ... in Fact ...

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Phoenix considers Galactus her equal:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2812/f2ie5.th.jpg



But ... Galactus said, that WITH TIME "he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/f3ie9.th.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus is limited by his need for outside sustenance.
He eats, his reserves are depleted, then he must eat again.
Phoenix's power isn't infinite either dogs,
both Jean and the Force have been depicted with weaknesses:

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Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey ...

and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself into Billions of pieces.

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On Panel:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3669/1vd7.th.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5718/2eb7.th.jpg

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Beast remembers:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1715/jeandiesuj7.th.jpg

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Bio:

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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1528/pf1ih0.th.jpg

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"

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This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1430/pfbillioncl9.th.jpg

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"

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Peace and love yall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or perhaps cause they know Galactus can control himself,
while the Force in flesh is unpredictable.

Yeah right. If it appease you, cool.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But ... Galactus said, that WITH TIME "he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/f3ie9.th.jpg

Hahhahaha

Wasn't that in in the issue when then Phoenix Force destroyed that universe, destroying everything in it's path?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, that's against a Starving Galactus:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1162/g1ha2.th.jpg

"I have NEED of SUSTENANCE"

..................................................................................


Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/9302/g2qw8.th.jpg

"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"

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Nice try ....


when ISNT he in need of sustenance?


Yeah cuz hes gettin his ass handed..

Anyway Rachel avatar phoenix is considered weak as well.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yeah right. If it appease you, cool.



Hahhahaha

Wasn't that in in the issue when then Phoenix Force destroyed that universe, destroying everything in it's path?

Precisely.

Mr Master ignores the fact that in that What If he posted, Jean was weak at the time she fought and beat Galactus.

The fact that the comic stated Jeans power was weakened but it was regaining strength after her having beem lobotomized.

And most importantly regardless of Galactus' comments, Jean went on to consume that entire universe rendering Galactus for all his bravado quite irrelevant

Originally posted by Terryc250
when ISNT he in need of sustenance?


Yeah cuz hes gettin his ass handed..

Anyway Rachel avatar phoenix is considered weak as well.

Precisely

I hate it when people pick and choose what to take into account when analysing a comic book scene.

Mr Master, you must realize when Galactus is fed and when he would face Phoenix, he would sooner or later deplete. And when facing someone so powerful as Phoenix, he would deplete rather quickly.

PF simply overpowers him.

couldn't Galactus just chomp down on the Phoenix force?
he does have the ability to feed on Hyperspace, on the dark dimension and a lot of other such cosmic forces.

Originally posted by janus77
couldn't Galactus just chomp down on the Phoenix force?
he does have the ability to feed on Hyperspace, on the dark dimension and a lot of other such cosmic forces.

Nothing stopping her from taking it back, even if he could, if her powers are truly unlimited then he won't put a dent in her. Not to mentioned he might of tried it when he was "starving".

Originally posted by janus77
couldn't Galactus just chomp down on the Phoenix force?

Actually he was in the process once, but that was when Phoenix II gave herself willingly. He wouldn't be able to do it with brute force, otherwise he would already do it in the first fight.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yeah right. If it appease you, cool.
Or simply because it makes sense, due to historical accounts.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Hahhahaha
... See, that's not so hard.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Wasn't that in in the issue when then Phoenix Force destroyed that universe, destroying everything in it's path?
There's no proof that alternate Galactus was destroyed,
just like there's no proof the Phoenix was erased
when G erased himself and everything in that other Universe. (black celestial arc)

Originally posted by Terryc250
when ISNT he in need of sustenance?
When he isn't.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Yeah cuz hes gettin his ass handed..
Right, cause he's Starving.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Anyway Rachel avatar phoenix is considered weak as well.
I disagree ... Rachel was bonded fully to the Force.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master ignores the fact that in that What If he posted,
Jean was weak at the time she fought and beat Galactus.
I never knew she beat him, but I enjoyed the add-on.

I only ised that stupid What if,
cause it's the only time they've really made an attempt at battle.

But you're right, it should be disregarded all around.

Which leaves us with,
there's absolutely no proof that Phoenix has ever,
or could ever defeat a normal 616 Galactus.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that the comic stated Jeans power was weakened
but it was regaining strength after her having beem lobotomized.
Pardon the "what if" ... I should know better.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And most importantly regardless of Galactus' comments,
Jean went on to consume that entire universe rendering Galactus for all his bravado quite irrelevant
No proof Galactus was part of that consumption.

Unless you believe the Phoenix in Galactus' Universe was erased along with the rest.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I hate it when people pick and choose what to take into account

when analysing a comic book scene ...
Coming from you, this is laughable.

The guy that uses a scan from FF Annual #23
to show off Phoenix as the sustenance of the Stars:

But denies This scan from the very SAME issue:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2994/lt2cm.th.jpg

This scan is dismissed by pino,
because it states that the LT exists in multiple MultiverseS simultaneously.

Oh no, can't have a character be beyond Multiversal when Phoenix is just Universal,
I can't have that,
especially when I'm going around claiming Phoenix is the power behind Marvel,
or that we're only reading current publications because of Phoenix.

It also stomps that "Marvel is a single Multiverse" tossed aside theory.
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So heed your own advice, and DON'T "pick and choose" like you accuse others of doing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or simply because it makes sense, due to historical accounts.

It also makes sense, more sense, that they thought DP being more dangerous because of being more powerful and being unstoppable in that state.
Galactus also can't control himself when he is starving, many times wanted to eat Earth, but came to some agreement or was bested.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree ... Rachel was bonded fully to the Force.

She was bonded fully, but could never use it's full powers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It also stomps that "Marvel is a single Multiverse" tossed aside theory.

This doesn't belong to this thread, but I see your point.
But still, pretty much everything comes from 616.

So... Surfer wins?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... Surfer wins?

Yes.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Nothing stopping her from taking it back, even if he could, if her powers are truly unlimited then he won't put a dent in her. Not to mentioned he might of tried it when he was "starving".
well, it's kind of a second front in a battle if you're having to fight to reacquire your energies from your opponent, as well as try and harm him.

Galactus can manipulate the energy into some other form or just directly amp himself off of it. he is afterall truly infinite in energies too (the universe, hyperspace and potentially the multiverse all are food for him).

iirc in one of his fights with the PF, he commented on how her energies were the substance of future life and that she was destroying future life in fighting with him. I guess the reason he doesn't just absorb those energies ruthlessly is the same reason he doesn't just feed off of any old sentient planet, he serves "cosmic consonance" not himself.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Irrelevant. Galactus is a being who requires outside sustenance. Phoenix is hooked up to an infinite energy source. Glaactus could have just eaten a planet and still lost to Phoenix.

He would eventually exhaust his energy reserves and then be back to square one.

Galactus admitted his major disadvantage to Phoenix in their conflict which you're referring to:

"I hover near to death, exhausted in our struggle, while you are neither weary, nor hungry, because you tap into a source of near limitless potential"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29813174987.jpg

Here Galactus' limitations are highlighted again by Maelstrom who at the time was an avatar for Oblivion:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/18311505273.jpg

Galactus is limited by his need for outside sustenance. He eats, his reserves are depleted, then he must eat again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Irrelevant. Galactus is a being who requires outside sustenance. Phoenix is hooked up to an infinite energy source. Glaactus could have just eaten a planet and still lost to Phoenix.

He would eventually exhaust his energy reserves and then be back to square one.

Galactus admitted his major disadvantage to Phoenix in their conflict which you're referring to:

"I hover near to death, exhausted in our struggle, while you are neither weary, nor hungry, because you tap into a source of near limitless potential"

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29813174987.jpg

Here Galactus' limitations are highlighted again by Maelstrom who at the time was an avatar for Oblivion:

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/18311505273.jpg

Galactus is limited by his need for outside sustenance. He eats, his reserves are depleted, then he must eat again.

Yeah pretty much.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When he isn't.

Galactus is always in need of sustanance, so its not really that irrelevant that he says it


It was never stated that he was starving.. hes his normal size that he usually is, phoenix was like the size of his nose

Originally posted by Terryc250
Galactus is always in need of sustanance, so its not really that irrelevant that he says it


It was never stated that he was starving.. hes his normal size that he usually is, phoenix was like the size of his nose

Its pointless, he's arguing not to get to the bottom of things, not to uncover the truth but instead to support his hierarchy.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its pointless, he's arguing not to get to the bottom of things, not to uncover the truth but instead to support his hierarchy.

I predict a massive, inflated, pre-written, and rhetoric post (with much manipulated content) will soon follow. http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1415/30cafelito3tzea3.gif

GS attacking someone for manipulating scans and twisting context ?
oh the delicious irony

Originally posted by 123KID
GS attacking someone for manipulating scans and twisting context ?
oh the delicious irony

Kid, you registered just in November.

Its common for people to refrain from joining and just read for a few weeks, maybe even a month or two before joining but nearly a year?



Because thats about how long it was since that bullshit got brought up and proved wrong.

So either you're a former user under a different name or a current user under a different name. I wonder who you could be?

Originally posted by id369
I predict a massive, inflated, pre-written, and rhetoric post (with much manipulated content) will soon follow. http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1415/30cafelito3tzea3.gif

Unfortunately thats inevitable.

I'm no longer debating with him with regards to this issue.

He's not stupid, he knows we're right, he just can't publicly admit it because of the implications it will have for his hierarchy

I refuse to play his game any longer.

Any long winded spamfest will be met with a re-post of my questions, which Mr Master has never EVER answered in the 2 years of his membership.

Our interpretations fit in with the comic and with the handbook entry on the matter. Any queries with regards to our interpretations can be explained away by referencing other New X-men issues.

Mr Masters interpretation however raises and leaves unanswered about half a dozen questions. I wonder why?