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I'm not entirely sure if this has been done before but who takes this?

Michael on his own.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Michael on his own.

Agreed.

Michael or Lucifer could solo

Lucifer or Michael can solo, quite easily.

IG wins ... in a stomp. 131 ... hmmm, that was easy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
IG wins ... in a stomp. 131 ... hmmm, that was easy.

Against both of them together? No, even IG loses.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Against both of them together, no, even IG lose.
How you doin X?

Nah, I'm just entertaining myself, I'll never debate this,
I just wanted to see how easy it is to say "my guy wins"
without any way to prove that.

I don't know who/what/where Mikey/Lucy ...

but I do know that the IG gives one absolute Omnipotence beneath the LT.

Only the LT (who represents the "Power/Authority" of Toaa/god) was greater.

note* ... THOTI ... makes one that "Power/Authority" ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
How you doin X?

Nah, I'm just entertaining myself, I'll never debate this,
I just wanted to see how easy it is to say "my guy wins"
without any way to prove that.

I don't know who/what/where Mikey/Lucy ...

but I do know that the IG gives one absolute Omnipotence beneath the LT.

Only the LT (who represents the "Power/Authority" of Toaa/god) was greater.

note* ... THOTI ... makes one that "Power/Authority" ...

I am good. You?

There is no evidence that we can say Lucifer or Michael being beyond LT. So that is why, if IG would win against one of those two, I wouldn't be surprised, but against both of them. No, even IG would lose.

And no one can even come close about saying that Michael or Lucifer have greater feats than IG. Because they don't.
Also both of them together doesn't have better feats. But they together are the power of The Presence, so we really don't need feats, that is why IG loses this.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I am good. You?
"Every day above ground is a good day"
Originally posted by Xplosive
There is no evidence that we can say Lucifer or Michael being beyond LT.
So that is why, if IG would win against one of those two, I wouldn't be surprised, but against both of them. No, even IG would lose.
I stay clear of comparing them cause there's no way to prove anything on these levels.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And no one can even come close about saying
that Michael or Lucifer have greater feats than IG.
Because they don't.
srugdoped

Mike solos. IG beats Lucifer though.

Thanos loses to either one

Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?

Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.

I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?

Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.

I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.

Uh Lucifer wasn't losing power when he was battling Fenris, he held most of it back and even then held his own against a being whos been plotting and watching Lucifer for BILLIONS (thats with a B) of years and Luci killed him easily. Michael could have gotten himself unchained but refamed cause if he did it would destroy everything then Michael would reform from nothing. Is that enough?

Originally posted by kevdude
Uh Lucifer wasn't losing power when he was battling Fenris, he held most of it back and even then held his own against a being whos been plotting and watching Lucifer for BILLIONS (thats with a B) of years and Luci killed him easily. Michael could have gotten himself unchained but refamed cause if he did it would destroy everything then Michael would reform from nothing. Is that enough?

Er, no. Recall what Lucifer said right after he destroyed Fenris- he was saving all of his last strength until he was in a position to destroy him. When challenged by the Basanos about how she thought he was completely powerless he respons: "Those weren't life or death situations. I've reserved the last of my power because this was." Issue 68. It wasn't 'easy' at all for him to destroy Fenris. He very nearly lost. The WHOLE damn point of that last arc was that the world was dying because Yawheh wasn't on his throne- and that included Lucifer's power. Trust me, I'm correct about this.

And when Michael was first chained by Sandalphon, he wasn't injured enough that he craved death- that came with the millenia of torture. He could have freed himself without destroying the universe- why didn't he?

Originally posted by kevdude
Thanos loses to either one
Based on what? ... The fact that Thanos never lost to anyone in Marvel?

Originally posted by tjcoady
Whats to stop Thanos with the IG from using time manipulation to destroy Lucifer directly after his battle with Fenris, when he was nearly destroyed and rapidly losing power, and Micheal while he was chained by the Sandalophan, exactly?

Not saying the IG is more powerful than the elder Archangels. But I've seen exactly one time manipulation feat from Lucifer, and non from Michael. I've seen more than a few from the IG.

I'm not trying to say the IG wins. But someone give me a clear reason this strategy wouldn't work.

Whats to stop him from doing the same thing?

Lucifer vs the 2 Titans who at this points had all the powers attributed to Yahweh.
They had all of Yahweh's powers who had left creation earlier, although they weren't very good with omnicience yet.:
They had prep time before marching on the silver city and Lucifer (who had previously foguht them, I'll scan that later):
They also made a copy of Lucifer with his powers that would suck away his powers and destroy him on contact based on memories of him:
http://static.flickr.com/53/127443984_f98a881b15_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/47/127444283_43936d3386_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/127444670_111c50b460_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/45/127444977_aa024e36c1_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127445353_d2e431b3fa_o.jpg
Lucifer still manages to destroy the all powerful Titans by attacking them through time at the point before they gained the powers of yahweh:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ddofer/127448131

Originally posted by Air Legend
Mike solos. IG beats Lucifer though.

He's appearently over Mike.

Here's some with Micheal. Imbued with he power of the Presence, most powerful being after the presence, created the first matter?
When he and Lucifer travel to Yggdrasil both are apparently weakened/injured thought to an equal degree.
Lucifer is driven into a killing frenzy by the blood of Fenris god of Destruction, endings, entropy, annihalation etc' (Blame it on Elaine feeding it to him, him regaining control shortly after is an another mindboggingly impressive feat).
He then fights Michael, guess who wins :
http://static.flickr.com/49/127464919_af2af2baac_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127469426_2b3af8bec3_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127469702_c4f85ce598_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127470085_81b4dfd684_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/46/127470368_67cb8e8b35_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/47/127470943_a27faa485c_o.jpg
You heard it, Lucifer is the most dangerous being there is (power isn't everything), Lucifer also didn't have the benefit of his mind here, so it even played to his weaknesses making it even more impressive.

The IG once killed the entire Marvel Comics company,
including it's editor ... Tom DeFalco. (avatar)

Originally posted by Mr Master
The IG once killed the entire Marvel Comics company,
including it's editor ... Tom DeFalco. (avatar)

What?

Originally posted by Sirius77
What?
Yea, it was a whacky diverged reality, but it happened.

In fact, Thanos/IG literally took DeFalco's pen,
and began editing the comic himself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, it was a whacky diverged reality, but it happened.

In fact, Thanos/IG literally took DeFalco's pen,
and began editing the comic himself.

... thats wierd.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Er, no. Recall what Lucifer said right after he destroyed Fenris- he was saving all of his last strength until he was in a position to destroy him. When challenged by the Basanos about how she thought he was completely powerless he respons: "Those weren't life or death situations. I've reserved the last of my power because this was." Issue 68. It wasn't 'easy' at all for him to destroy Fenris. He very nearly lost. The WHOLE damn point of that last arc was that the world was dying because Yawheh wasn't on his throne- and that included Lucifer's power. Trust me, I'm correct about this.

And when Michael was first chained by Sandalphon, he wasn't injured enough that he craved death- that came with the millenia of torture. He could have freed himself without destroying the universe- why didn't he?

Lucifer never said he was saving all his last strength until he killed him. What he did say was "I reserved my power (not using any), Those weren't life-or-death situations. Not Quite (the whole battle he didn't care that he was getting hit). At some Point, I knew i'd be inside Fenris's Guard. I'd Hated to turn up empty-handed (he waited until he could kill him in one single attack and showing Fenris he let him attack until Luci could kill him and Fenris wouldn't be able to do anything about it). And about Michael, it seems he sorta felt that he was being punished by God since God allowed Sandalphon to attack him like that and Michael refused to free himself since it would destroy the universe.

In This twisted Reality, Marvel is referred to as "Marble"

The IG is referred to as, the Infinity Mitten.

It's a divergence from the Infinity Gauntlet affair gone retarded.

Tom DeFalco (with his editor's pen) is helping the Cosmics against the IG: (or IM)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/916/igex8.th.jpg

........................................................................................

The entire Comic Book company (including DeFalco) gets owned by Thanos/IG:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3227/ig2ax2.th.jpg

Okay dude there is no way anyone can try and use that as a legit feat.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay dude there is no way anyone can try and use that as a legit feat.
... Silly alternate realities.

I don't even count that as canon. It's stupid. It doesn't count.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't even count that as canon. It's stupid. It doesn't count.
As canon as any other crappy "What if" ... although, I agree with you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
In This twisted Reality, Marvel is referred to as "Marble"

The IG is referred to as, the Infinity Mitten.

It's a divergence from the Infinity Gauntlet affair gone retarded.

Tom DeFalco (with his editor's pen) is helping the Cosmics against the IG: (or IM)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/916/igex8.th.jpg

........................................................................................

The entire Comic Book company (including DeFalco) gets owned by Thanos/IG:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3227/ig2ax2.th.jpg



lol. Where do you get these?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't even count that as canon. It's stupid. It doesn't count. Anything that makes the comic a comic to me is silly and shouldnt be used. I still want to know wha issues this all took place in.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As canon as any other crappy "What if" ... although, I agree with you.
No, this is worse. Way worse, most what ifs take themselves eriously, but even some of the sillyer ones are better then this.

No one read "Marvel: What The?!"? If you think What Ifs are bad read that series then.

Their actually kinda funny, and even has some DC character crossovers..well kinda

I know that's a What The?!

Originally posted by Sirius77
He's appearently over Mike.

Here's some with Micheal. Imbued with he power of the Presence, most powerful being after the presence, created the first matter?
When he and Lucifer travel to Yggdrasil both are apparently weakened/injured thought to an equal degree.
Lucifer is driven into a killing frenzy by the blood of Fenris god of Destruction, endings, entropy, annihalation etc' (Blame it on Elaine feeding it to him, him regaining control shortly after is an another mindboggingly impressive feat).
He then fights Michael, guess who wins :
http://static.flickr.com/49/127464919_af2af2baac_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127469426_2b3af8bec3_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127469702_c4f85ce598_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/1/127470085_81b4dfd684_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/46/127470368_67cb8e8b35_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/47/127470943_a27faa485c_o.jpg
You heard it, Lucifer is the most dangerous being there is (power isn't everything), Lucifer also didn't have the benefit of his mind here, so it even played to his weaknesses making it even more impressive.

LMFAO. This proves that you haven't read the book and just go by scans you've seen. If you want the entire battle scene go look at my respect thread, and take note of the part where Michael landed with his wings broken. Not only that, they were both depowered since God left creation, and Mike was weaker than Lucy at the time because his wings broke (landed on them and Lucy didn't) and he still hurt Lucifer even with reluctance. And pay attention to how he's trying to convince Lucifer to snap out of the Fenris mindrape.

And this isn't even your own argument, it's a copy out of the Lucifer respect thread, making your rebuttal even more ridiculous.

Originally posted by Air Legend
LMFAO. This proves that you haven't read the book and just go by scans you've seen. If you want the entire battle scene go look at my respect thread, and take note of the part where Michael landed with his wings broken. Not only that, they were both depowered since God left creation, and Mike was weaker than Lucy at the time because his wings broke (landed on them and Lucy didn't) and he still hurt Lucifer even with reluctance. And pay attention to how he's trying to convince Lucifer to snap out of the Fenris mindrape.

And this isn't even your own argument, it's a copy out of the Lucifer respect thread, making your rebuttal even more ridiculous.

Still doesnt change the fact the he won.

Also, if you look at the time when Mike exploded, notice how his brother didnt flinch. Michael may have the Demiurgos. But even all of it couldnt affect his brother. Mike has the power, his brother controls it. So either way Mike cannot win. And to my knowledge never has.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Still doesnt change the fact the he won.

Also, if you look at the time when Mike exploded, notice how his brother didnt flinch. Michael may have the Demiurgos. But even all of it couldnt affect his brother. Mike has the power, his brother controls it. So either way Mike cannot win. And to my knowledge never has.

When Michael "exploded" he wasn't forcefully imposing his power on Lucifer. Similar to Classic MM redirecting the Beyonder explosion but Beyonder beat MM when he forcefully used his power on him. A weaker Michael hurt a stronger Lucifer. A full power Michael would walk all over a full power Lucifer.

Originally posted by Air Legend
When Michael "exploded" he wasn't forcefully imposing his power on Lucifer. Similar to Classic MM redirecting the Beyonder explosion but Beyonder beat MM when he forcefully used his power on him. A weaker Michael hurt a stronger Lucifer. A full power Michael would walk all over a full power Lucifer.

Michael released the full force of the demiugos. Lucifer didnt flinch. Michael was blown apart. These are facts.

And if in fact what your saying is true, then why did a virtually mindless version kill Michael. I dont call that "walking over" anyone at all. He usually uses his wits to get him through, but ironically, he overpowered Michael without using his wits. Neither one is more powerful than the other. One is just more calculating, wise and analytical than the other. Thats why Michael wouldnt and hasnt won against his brother. Infinite will with nigh omnipotence vs Infinite power with great wisdom will usually stalemate. Unless one is smarter than the other.

Since your level of reading comprehension is very low and since you haven't read the series and just looked at scans, I'm going to repeat myself until you finally comprehend what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Michael released the full force of the demiugos. Lucifer didnt flinch. Michael was blown apart. These are facts.

Originally posted by Air Legend
When Michael "exploded" he wasn't forcefully imposing his power on Lucifer. Similar to Classic MM redirecting the Beyonder explosion but Beyonder beat MM when he forcefully used his power on him.

Originally posted by Sirius77
And if in fact what your saying is true, then why did a virtually mindless version kill Michael. I dont call that "walking over" anyone at all. He usually uses his wits to get him through, but ironically, he overpowered Michael without using his wits. Neither one is more powerful than the other. One is just more calculating, wise and analytical than the other. Thats why Michael wouldnt and hasnt won against his brother. Infinite will with nigh omnipotence vs Infinite power with great wisdom will usually stalemate. Unless one is smarter than the other.
Originally posted by Air Legend
A weaker Michael (depowered and wings broken) hurt a stronger Lucifer(depowered, wings functioning). A full power Michael would walk all over a full power Lucifer.

Michael is stronger than Lucy, but only by a notch or so. It's not like Mike is on another level above Lucy.

And Lucifer will beat Thanos with IG on his lonesome as well. Pitting both against Thanos/IG is a joke and just pure overkill.

Lucifer is at or above Michael's level.

Thanos w/Ig is below both.

IG stomps them both. 131

I have no proof ... but that was easy to claim.

Lucifer and Michael stomp.

What he's saying is, provide evidence that Lucifer and Michael could match the power of the Infinity Gauntlet, featwise.
They together created a universe which later was retconned to a multiverse, but even the Ultimate Nullifier can destroy and recreate the multiverse at whim. And you see what Adam with the Gauntlet did to the wielder of the Nullifier.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Michael is stronger than Lucy, but only by a notch or so. It's not like Mike is on another level above Lucy.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lucifer and Michael stomp.