Wonder Woman (Standard Equipment only) vs Namor and Iron-Man (616 versions)

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dawsey28
Wonder Woman (Standard Equipment only) vs Namor and Iron-Man (616 versions)

They fight above the Atlantic Ocean.

Mindset
Iron Man can beat WWH, Thor, and Sentry zorro

psycho gundam
i say namor gets them draws

spidermonkey
Iron-man and Namor would probably BARELY take it.

dawsey28
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i say namor gets them draws

um... what? embarrasment

StylishSmurph
They get stomped...

severance
iron man uses war machine like armour while she is distracted with namor he shoots her with bullets which can apparently pierce her skin even though superman cannot

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Mindset
Iron Man can beat WWH, Thor, and Sentry zorro



Now your thinking... stick out tongue

IM/Namor FTW 8/10

Gecko4lif
spite

Take namor out this fight

Namor doesnt need to get raped he is a awesome character

ironman gets raped alone... that was for civil war you douche

Papa Smurph
Namor alone gives Wonder Woman a good fight.

Team 9/10

TricksterPriest
Wondy bitchslaps both of them. This match is spite.

Priest
Namor and Iron Man are at least bullet proof 131

StylishSmurph
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Now your thinking... stick out tongue

IM/Namor FTW 8/10 Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Namor alone gives Wonder Woman a good fight.

Team 9/10

Lulz...

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Priest
Namor and Iron Man are at least bullet proof 131

I think you count that for too much. Her durability against everything else seems extremely high. That bullets stuff is soem bizarre weakness in her magical invulnerability like GLs and their former yellow weakness.

Neither of them display speed on her level. Having it be two of them just causes her inevitable victory to take longer.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Lulz...

What makes you believe Wonder Woman takes this?

Speedblitz?

Hay guyz, what's the difference between Wonder Woman and Namor?

Namor has legit wins over high end Class 100s

Wonder Woman has legit didn't get her ass steam rolled like everyone thought she would and put up a respectable showings against high end Class 100s

doped

Papa Smurph
But before this argument can continue I need to see if I'm arguing with someone who knows what he's talking about

Wonder Woman = 100

What's Namor's strength relative to that?

Superherovandal
probably about a 65-75

tjcoady
Well, I've seen Namor get in trouble fighting... Wolverine.

But then again, I've seen Wonder Woman have a hard time fighting Cheetah.

Iron Man, on the whole, doesn't really have that many low showings.

Team scrapes... scrapes... by for the win.

Gecko4lif
WW has lifted 100s of thousands of tons onpanel

namor capped out at like 5k tons while underwater

Papa Smurph
No.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
What makes you believe Wonder Woman takes this?

Speedblitz?

Hay guyz, what's the difference between Wonder Woman and Namor?

Namor has legit wins over high end Class 100s

Wonder Woman has legit didn't get her ass steam rolled like everyone thought she would and put up a respectable showings against high end Class 100s

doped

That is outright bias. Name one, just one person Namor has fought and won against, who is comparable to a DC top tier. Oh that's right. NONE.

You think anyone he's fought is comparable to a white martian? Or Superman? Or Zoom? Her holding her own, is far more than Namor could ever do against that kind of power.

Jeeze man, even freaking Darkcrawler won't give Namor a single win over Wondy. erm

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That is outright bias. Name one, just one person Namor has fought and won against, who is comparable to a DC top tier. Oh that's right. NONE.


Hulk
Abom
Thor
Silver Surfer
Apoc
Herc
etc etc etc.

You think anyone he's fought is comparable to a white martian?

Sure.

Or Superman?


Who rapes her ass everytime they meet?

Oh wait, Maxwell Lord, lol.

Or Zoom?

Who beat her ass across the Earth until he went on a CIS induced rampage?


Her holding her own, is far more than Namor could ever do against that kind of power.

I know, he'd probably steal a win or two if he could drag them in the water and force them to fight there, unlike Wonder Woman, who gets her ass kicked on land and water equally. doped

Mindset
Namor could hold his own against White Martians, because they suck. mad

Papa Smurph
Oops fought and won against

Only 3 people on that list have arguable/outright L's

Unlike the White Martian on Trickster's list.

sad

Trickster

Wonder Woman = 100

Namor is ???

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Hulk
Abom
Thor
Silver Surfer
Apoc
Herc
etc etc etc.

You think anyone he's fought is comparable to a white martian?

Sure.

Or Superman?


Who rapes her ass everytime they meet?

Oh wait, Maxwell Lord, lol.

Or Zoom?

Who beat her ass across the Earth until he went on a CIS induced rampage?


Her holding her own, is far more than Namor could ever do against that kind of power.

I know, he'd probably steal a win or two if he could drag them in the water and force them to fight there, unlike Wonder Woman, who gets her ass kicked on land and water equally. doped

Hulk= Once, in water. Guarantee he wouldn't get that win on land.
Abom= A joke compared to Wondy.
Thor= You and I both know Thor would spank Namor's ass if he went all out. roll eyes (sarcastic)
Silver Surfer= Surfer was obviously jobbing.
Apoc=.............Go to hell. That table thing was not a win. miffed
Herc= Don't know this one.

And you really think Namor would last 5 seconds against a pissed Superman? Or Zoom? His brains would splatter from one punch.

Drag them into the water? laughing out loud He's really gonna drag Superman, into the water? hysterical Wouldn't matter anyway. Supes would rip him a new one. And let's not even discuss Zoom. Namor would never even touch him.

Wonder Woman is far far above a class 100. You don't help move the moon and get called a mere class 100. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Papa Smurph

Bouboumaster
Team 7/10

Inhuman
Ironman and WW both fly at super sonic speeds

Mr. Slippyfist
Namor beat Surfer?

And Thor?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Sub-Mariner59-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Sub-Mariner59-20.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Invaders_33_04.jpg

Either way... Namor = man. WW = woman. It's not compicated to figure out who wins here. erm

TricksterPriest

Mindset
About the blackhole thing...regular humans survived it, so.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about it.

TricksterPriest
Alright, you got me on that one. stick out tongue But she's still far superior to these 2 in every way possible.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Namor beat Surfer?

And Thor?


Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Oops fought and won against

Only 3 people on that list have arguable/outright L's

Unlike the White Martian on Trickster's list.

sad

Trickster

Wonder Woman = 100

Namor is ???

Papa Smurph
Let's see Abom do that.

Let's see Abom learn how to fly.


You severely underestimate her speed. Namor won't touch her.

Why not? Black Canary has. BTW you do realize Namor has IN FIGHT reactionary feats breaking several mach don't you? The fastest reaction feat I think Wonder Woman has under her belt is being punched from Earth to the Sun in a few seconds. Lol Wonder Woman.

Wondy is closer to a class 100,000.

Namor is a low-mid CL100.

Class 100,000 = Class 100

If you want to use feats, Class 100,000 would put Wonder Woman on the lower end of Class 100, actually. So by your own admission Namor > Wonder Woman.


This probably isn't canon per Zero Hour and IC, but check it out.

Even under one of her weakest depictions in the post crisis era, Diana is able to fight and get the eventual better of a Daxamite warrior.Who are said to be as strong as Superman or the Martian Manhunter. (Wonder Woman #71)
1.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7118eg.jpg
2.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7123al.jpg
3.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7131oz.jpg
4.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7146ol.jpg
5.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7154rh.jpg
6.http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7166zf.jpg

Oh look, a moral victory where Wonder Woman is sweating her ass off while the Daxam shows zero signs of fatigue and is said to have let her win after dominating her and easily over powering her several times in the match.

How very impressive, I DOUBT Namor could do the same. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Now you're just ignoring evidence. she is much much tougher than you believe.

So Wonder Woman is that much tougher then Namor that Superman has to exert effort to kill her while being able to splatter him with a punch?

BTW you continue to dodge the question

Wonder Woman = 100
Namor = ???

PS: How fast you are doesn't really matter to Zoom, at least the Zoom that fought Wonder Woman.

Just an FYI

Lil Buddy
I can see the team getting some wins in but I don't know about over all.

IM's suit lasted against Sentry after all.

But in one on one WW beats them.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Let's see Abom do that.

Let's see Abom learn how to fly.


You severely underestimate her speed. Namor won't touch her.

Why not? Black Canary has. BTW you do realize Namor has IN FIGHT reactionary feats breaking several mach don't you? The fastest reaction feat I think Wonder Woman has under her belt is being punched from Earth to the Sun in a few seconds. Lol Wonder Woman.

Wondy is closer to a class 100,000.

Namor is a low-mid CL100.

Class 100,000 = Class 100

If you want to use feats, Class 100,000 would put Wonder Woman on the lower end of Class 100, actually. So by your own admission Namor > Wonder Woman.


This probably isn't canon per Zero Hour and IC, but check it out.

Even under one of her weakest depictions in the post crisis era, Diana is able to fight and get the eventual better of a Daxamite warrior.Who are said to be as strong as Superman or the Martian Manhunter. (Wonder Woman #71)
1.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7118eg.jpg
2.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7123al.jpg
3.http://img102.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7131oz.jpg
4.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7146ol.jpg
5.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7154rh.jpg
6.http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww7166zf.jpg

Oh look, a moral victory where Wonder Woman is sweating her ass off while the Daxam shows zero signs of fatigue and is said to have let her win after dominating her and easily over powering her several times in the match.

How very impressive, I DOUBT Namor could do the same. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Now you're just ignoring evidence. she is much much tougher than you believe.

So Wonder Woman is that much tougher then Namor that Superman has to exert effort to kill her while being able to splatter him with a punch?

BTW you continue to dodge the question

Wonder Woman = 100
Namor = ???

PS: How fast you are doesn't really matter to Zoom, at least the Zoom that fought Wonder Woman.

Just an FYI


"Why not? Black Canary has. BTW you do realize Namor has IN FIGHT reactionary feats breaking several mach don't you? The fastest reaction feat I think Wonder Woman has under her belt is being punched from Earth to the Sun in a few seconds. Lol Wonder Woman."

The sacrifice fight on-panel has her and Superman going around the planets in minutes. Mach speed my ass. Not to mention she was keeping up with Jesse Quick, a flash level speedster, AND she hit the speedforce barrier under her own power.


"If Superman decides to fight Namor in the water, then Namor has a shot to win 2-4 out of 10.

No matter where Superman decides to fight Wonder Woman she's going to lose.

Wouldn't matter anyway. Supes would rip him a new one. And let's not even discuss Zoom.

I agree, they'd put a similar beat down on him as they do with Wondie."

Completely idiotic. Even if Superman let himself be dragged underwater, it would only take one punch to annihilate Namor. And the underwater advantage is laughable, considering Superman could just turn on the old HV and evaporate most of the ocean.

And I love how you seem to ignore that Namor is completely outclassed by these guys. And yet Wondy actually has held her own. So what if she loses to them? She actually has taken their punches and lived, something Namor can't hope to do.

"If you want to use feats, Class 100,000 would put Wonder Woman on the lower end of Class 100, actually. So by your own admission Namor > Wonder Woman." Facetious. You're dodging the question. The class 100 system does not work for DC characters. And Wondy's feat put her way above Namor. and that moon feat? It was stated that Martian, Supes and Wondy all moved equally. They were moving the moon against Earth's gravity while trying not to cause global damage by messing with the tides.


"
So Wonder Woman is that much tougher then Namor that Superman has to exert effort to kill her while being able to splatter him with a punch?

BTW you continue to dodge the question

Wonder Woman = 100
Namor = ???

PS: How fast you are doesn't really matter to Zoom, at least the Zoom that fought Wonder Woman."

Yes, she is. Namor doesn't take punches from guys like Supes. He dies from them. Wondy stalemated Captain Marvel during the war of the gods.

Your question is BS. But alright. Namor would be a 20 or maybe 40 compared to her.

I'm aware of Zoom's capabilities. But Wondy said he hits as hard as Superman, and it didn't kill her. Just hurt her and stunned her abit. Which is far more punishment than Namor can dish out. So how is that a low showing?

I haven't started on her weaponry, her ability to heal all wounds by joining with the earth, her animal empathy, her insane skill levels.

To paraphrase Hulk: "'Stupid fishman' is outclassed." doped

Mindset
How did WW hit the speedforce barrier, only people connected to the speedforce can do it.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Mindset
How did WW hit the speedforce barrier, only people connected to the speedforce can do it.

Only people connected can break the barrier. You just have to be rediculously fast to get to it. For the record, Jesse and Christina are flash level speedsters.


Jesse Quick
1.http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199&image=wwropesjessie19hj.jpg
2.http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199&image=wwropesjessie25fd.jpg
3.http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199&image=wwropesjessie35ra.jpg
4.http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=wwropesjessie44oa.jpg
5.http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=wwropesjessie57ec.jpg
6.http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=wwropesjessie60pt.jpg
7.http://img168.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img168&image=wwropesjessie75ac.jpg

Mindset
Well Jesse has to use the speed formula right, and Flash doesn't.

TricksterPriest
True. But she can keep with him using it. Not saying she'd win, but god damn, she's fast enough to hit the Speed Force, and Wondy kept up with her.

grey fox
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Namor alone gives Wonder Woman a good fight.

Team 9/10

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/materiaall/megafacepalmzc4.jpg

Papa Smurph
Your question is BS. But alright. Namor would be a 20 or maybe 40 compared to her.

So you don't know what you're talking about, glad to hear it.

Concession accepted.

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Your question is BS. But alright. Namor would be a 20 or maybe 40 compared to her.

So you don't know what you're talking about, glad to hear it.

Concession accepted.

Your a funny dude.

WW is more powerful than both.

but together and with tech I can see the team maybe winning.

nimbus006
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Your question is BS. But alright. Namor would be a 20 or maybe 40 compared to her.

So you don't know what you're talking about, glad to hear it.

Concession accepted.

If a regular non-amped, non pissed Superman= 100

WW= 85-90

Namor= 40-45

IM= 35-40

I say the team takes 4-5/10... WW probably takes majority.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Your question is BS. But alright. Namor would be a 20 or maybe 40 compared to her.

So you don't know what you're talking about, glad to hear it.

Concession accepted. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/pirateneko/other%20crap/f8a930c6.jpg

Concession accepted. doped Especially since you fail to have shown how exactly Namor and IM don't get killed within 30 seconds or less.

And btw? That lasso can be used as a weapon, like popping their heads off like dolls. evil face

Lil Buddy
Trick just give up.

The guy just said Apollo is class 90 and so is Captain Atom if I got this right.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Lil Buddy
Trick just give up.

The guy just said Apollo is class 90 and so is Captain Atom if I got this right.

............http://atdpweb.berkeley.edu/brokenlogic/images/trippin.jpg

What the f**k?

Lil Buddy
Honestly.

He also just said Wonder Man is class 90, 95.

grey fox
Originally posted by Lil Buddy
Honestly.

He also just said Wonder Man is class 90, 95.

Classic or current ?

Lil Buddy
He didn't specify.

TricksterPriest
I think his earliest version was CL95, but that's it. Simon has thrown down with alot of CL100s, and he has some legit wins over guys like Hulk and Thor in slugfests.

Papa Smurph
Oh snap I guess Rhino's a CL 100 now too. He's thrown down with the big boys b4 as well.

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Oh snap I guess Rhino's a CL 100 now too. He's thrown down with the big boys b4 as well. Rhino has faced people like Hulk before.

If I remember Hulk quickly got rid of him.

Every one of your post are full of BS and are laughable.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Oh snap I guess Rhino's a CL 100 now too. He's thrown down with the big boys b4 as well.

Rhino is around a class 85 last I checked.

And unlike Simon, Rhino doesn't have wins over top tiers. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Lil Buddy
Fox he said current and classic are sub class 100.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Rhino is around a class 85 last I checked.

And unlike Simon, Rhino doesn't have wins over top tiers. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Kinda like Wonder Woman!

Class 85 Wonder Woman ftw.

grey fox
he said current and classic are sub class 100.




............






http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/materiaall/wackpost.jpg

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Kinda like Wonder Woman!

Class 85 Wonder Woman ftw. laughing out loud

OK its official you don't read comics.

Papa Smurph
Quite the contrary. smile

Lil Buddy
If thats the case then how are you so wrong.

Because I tell you right now that you have the knowledge of a 5 year old.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Accel
From JLA Classified #17, Wonder Woman tags the Flash:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6421/137zw.th.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6421/137zw.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1867/145cp.th.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1867/145cp.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5497/178nb.th.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5497/178nb.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1150/18199wu.th.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1150/18199wu.jpg

Let's see Namor or IM do that. whistle

Papa Smurph
How am I wrong? I have handbooks that back my stance, statements from marvel, etc.


You have on panel evidence.

On panel evidence One of Thing's first appearances had him swinging around 100 ton swords like they were cotton bats.

Class 100?

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's see Namor or IM do that. whistle

Let's see Wonder Woman legitimately beat a class 100 like both Namor and Iron Man have.

And I wonder how fast Flash was going with his making noise?

Mach .5?

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
How am I wrong? I have handbooks that back my stance, statements from marvel, etc.


You have on panel evidence.

On panel evidence One of Thing's first appearances had him swinging around 100 ton swords like they were cotton bats.

Class 100?

And which do you think KMC uses? What do you think is the gold standard of evidence here? I'll give you a hint: Using one of them gets you laughed at and nukes your credibility. evil face

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Let's see Wonder Woman legitimately beat a class 100 like both Namor and Iron Man have.

And I wonder how fast Flash was going with his making noise?

Mach .5? Holy shit.

I am trying to be nice but how old are you? Honestly now.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And which do you think KMC uses? What do you think is the gold standard of evidence here? I'll give you a hint: Using one of them gets you laughed at and nukes your credibility. evil face

So KMC goes with fan opinion over what's shown in handbooks?

I guess Doc Samson's a solid Class 100

he's shook buildings

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
So KMC goes with fan opinion over what's shown in handbooks?

I guess Doc Samson's a solid Class 100

he's shook buildings No they go with whats shown in comics not handbooks. You are getting it wrong again.

Papa Smurph
And I'm telling you based on what's shown in comics based on "feats" everyone from Spiderman on up is a class 100.

Lil Buddy
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
And I'm telling you based on what's shown in comics based on "feats" everyone from Spiderman on up is a class 100. That one time feat that has never been replicated again.

Papa Smurph
He's friggin KO'd the Hulk.

What non class 100 has actually knocked the Hulk out (lol Snakes lol Captain America, now aren't you funny loser)?

CLASS 100

BTW: I thought KMC embraced one time feats? For instance

Wonder Woman's one time having a respectable showing against a top tier Class 100

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
He's friggin KO'd the Hulk.

What non class 100 has actually knocked the Hulk out (lol Snakes lol Captain America, now aren't you funny loser)?

CLASS 100

BTW: I thought KMC embraced one time feats? For instance

Wonder Woman's one time having a respectable showing against a top tier Class 100

From what I understand, one-time feats that are highly inconsistent with all other showings are generally dismissed.

Handbooks are also generally dismissed except when a character's consistent showings match them. Marvel in particular has many characters whose actual feats in the comics far outstrip their stated limits in the handbooks. It would be an extreme disadvantage to Marvel to base Marvel vs. DC arguments on the Marvel handbooks. You'd be accepting as fact that many Marvel characters can lift 70 to 90 tons and they are considered serious powerhouses at Marvel. Meanwhile, you'd still have to estimate the strengths of DC characters. Characters like Superman, Black Adam, the Martian Manhunter and, yes, Wonder Woman, would depending upon the writer have strength ranging from a billion tons to a quintillion tons or more.

Finally, while fights between characters do count as evidence, there is a tendency in fights for two things to happen. In some situations, there is a tendency of the writer to bend the power levels of characters towards the middle. So you end up with two characters of vastly different power levels having an exciting fight when one shouldn't be in the other's league. Then you have the Jobber situation where one character annihilates another character so the writer establishes how tough he is when it should be a close fight.

Captain America vs. The Hulk would definitely be an example of bending towards the middle.
Black Adam beating almost every hero in the DCU by himself would be an example of other characters being used as fodder to 'prove' how tough he is far beyond his normal showings.

The best criteria for who is more powerful is to look at the feats of the characters in their own comics and sometimes simply when they are not even fighting anyone. What are the character's greatest strength feats? What seems the most damage they've shown they can shrug off? How fast are they?

Most vs. forums (including this one I think) take the point of view that there is overwhelming BS when characters fight each other. For example, the Silver Age Barry Allen Flash could run around the world in one second, maybe more than once. He could snag bullets out of the air. Heck, he could run behind people, take the clips out of their guns, put the guns back in the holsters and run back to where he started so fast they never saw him move. And guess what? He had enemies, some without any superspeed, that hit him in fights.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
From what I understand, one-time feats that are highly inconsistent with all other showings are generally dismissed.

Handbooks are also generally dismissed except when a character's consistent showings match them. Marvel in particular has many characters whose actual feats in the comics far outstrip their stated limits in the handbooks. It would be an extreme disadvantage to Marvel to base Marvel vs. DC arguments on the Marvel handbooks. You'd be accepting as fact that many Marvel characters can lift 70 to 90 tons and they are considered serious powerhouses at Marvel. Meanwhile, you'd still have to estimate the strengths of DC characters. Characters like Superman, Black Adam, the Martian Manhunter and, yes, Wonder Woman, would depending upon the writer have strength ranging from a billion tons to a quintillion tons or more.


OR I'm not being literal and accepting the class system for what it is instead of what (mostly DC) fans (that's right, Marvel even encourages writers to not take the class system for it's literal meaning) make it out to be.

grey fox
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
OR I'm not being literal and accepting the class system for what it is instead of what (mostly DC) fans (that's right, Marvel even encourages writers to not take the class system for it's literal meaning) make it out to be.

So effectively your just trolling and flaming then.

Thanks thumb up

Reported.

StylishSmurph
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
What makes you believe Wonder Woman takes this?

Speedblitz?

Hay guyz, what's the difference between Wonder Woman and Namor?

Namor has legit wins over high end Class 100s

Wonder Woman has legit didn't get her ass steam rolled like everyone thought she would and put up a respectable showings against high end Class 100s

doped Wonder Woman would dance all day around Namor. He wouldn't even see her move.

Then there's the bracelets and lasso, the former which can protect her against anything they throw at her, and the latter which can one-shot either of them.

She rips through them.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Rhino is around a class 85 last I checked.

And unlike Simon, Rhino doesn't have wins over top tiers. roll eyes (sarcastic)



Rhino has never been any higher than CL50.

WW isn't as strong as either THOR nor HULK and both Namor and IM have more than held their own against both of them on more than one occasion.


The Team is too much for WW she would struggle for a victory 1 on 1 with either of them.

The Team 10/10


wink

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Wonder Woman would dance all day around Namor. He wouldn't even see her move.

Then there's the bracelets and lasso, the former which can protect her against anything they throw at her, and the latter which can one-shot either of them.

She rips through them.

Wonder Woman = 100
Namor = ???

spawnwest
1 second into this fight Namor head would be rolling on the ground because WW ran past him used her Tara and cut his head off. The next second after that WW lassos Iron Man and commands him to turn into a tin can.

Then then gets bored and decides to play a game of kick the can and boots the can off the planet.

Then she decides that she wants to start collecting heads and bags Namor's head with Medusa's

Or

She saves a few seconds by lassoing both of them and command them to go away and be lovers

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Rhino has never been any higher than CL50.

WW isn't as strong as either THOR nor HULK and both Namor and IM have more than held their own against both of them on more than one occasion.

Edit: And speed feats, both straightline movement and reflexes?

The Team is too much for WW she would struggle for a victory 1 on 1 with either of them.

The Team 10/10


wink

What would you say Thor's best strength feats are?
The Huk's?
Namor's?
Wonder Woman's?

Same questions for durability.

Just trying to get an idea here of relative levels. I notice one of the sticky threads that rates power levels here at KMC puts WW a couple of tiers (or sub-tiers) above Namor on the power scale.

Edit: Edit: And speed feats, both straightline movement and reflexes?

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan

Just trying to get an idea here of relative levels. I notice one of the sticky threads that rates power levels here at KMC puts WW a couple of tiers (or sub-tiers) above Namor on the power scale.


I'm guessing this has to do more with her hardcore fanbase which seems to believe she's 5x's stronger then Namor and dances circles around him then actual portrayals in comics.

Peek
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I'm guessing this has to do more with her hardcore fanbase which seems to believe she's 5x's stronger then Namor and dances circles around him then actual portrayals in comics.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Tony Stark
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's see Namor or IM do that. whistle




roll eyes (sarcastic)


Please everyone knows that characters being possessed don't show nor use their powers or abilities to their normal heights I.E. not as Strong, not as fast, not as smart, not the fighter they normally are...

For all we know Flash while being possessed could have been traveling at Whizzer/Quicksilver speeds. Which is obviously 1/1,000,000 of Flash's true speed. In fact WW says herself that Flash knows better to do the things he's doing... Hense not his normal self.


wink

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Tony Stark
roll eyes (sarcastic)


Please everyone knows that characters being possessed don't show nor use their powers or abilities to their normal heights I.E. not as Strong, not as fast, not as smart, not the fighter they normally are...

For all we know Flash while being possessed could have been traveling at Whizzer/Quicksilver speeds. Which is obviously 1/1,000,000 of Flash's true speed. In fact WW says herself that Flash knows better to do the things he's doing... Hense not his normal self.


wink

True, his tactics stinked. but you're severely underrating his speed. He was controlled by a Starro. And unless you know nothing about DC, you know they use the full power of whoever they have their grip on.

Superherovandal
Honestly WW has hung with Jesse Quick as she was approaching the Speed Force which means at least close to lightspeed.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Honestly WW has hung with Jesse Quick as she was approaching the Speed Force which means at least close to lightspeed.

Jesse was close to breaking the barrier. That's WAY WAY over lightspeed. yes

To Stark and Stacks: Do I have to drag out the Namor vs. Wondy thread from awhile ago? the one where Darkcrawler admits there is absolutely nothing Namor can do to win? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Honestly WW has hung with Jesse Quick as she was approaching the Speed Force which means at least close to lightspeed.

So


when she's done getting a train ran on her from Tony Stark and Namor she's able to run away in a straight line at least close to lightspeed?

There's plenty that Namor can do to win.

Since irrelevant powers and non existant showings like Wonder Woman's ability to heal by touching the earth and her ability to dance around Namor is somehow relevant in this fight Namor just summons his latent power of telepathy through the hypno fish and tells her to finger herself.

TricksterPriest
If Darkcrawler can't see a way for Namor to win, why should I bother listening to someone as biased as you?

Papa Smurph
The fact that this "biased" user has actually read comics featuring both characters in question instead of skimming respect threads and feat hunting (like yourself)?

The fact that this "biased" user doesn't say foolish things like Wonder Woman is 5x's Namor?

The fact that this "biased" user hasn't posted scans of Namor getting owned by high end CL 100's trying to pass them off as a good showing?

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
The fact that this "biased" user has actually read comics featuring both characters in question instead of skimming respect threads and feat hunting (like yourself)?

The fact that this "biased" user doesn't say foolish things like Wonder Woman is 5x's Namor?

The fact that this "biased" user hasn't posted scans of Namor getting owned by high end CL 100's trying to pass them off as a good showing?

What the f**k? Sweet monkey jesus. DC is the biggest namor fan on the entire board. He argues for Namor when no one else will. He created Namor's respect thread on 2 boards.

Biased? He's as far from biased as you can get. But he's a huge Namor fan. And even he won't give Namor a single win over Diana.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441943&pagenumber=4

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What the f**k? Sweet monkey jesus. DC is the biggest namor fan on the entire board. He argues for Namor when no one else will. He created Namor's respect thread on 2 boards.

Biased? He's as far from biased as you can get. But he's a huge Namor fan. And even he won't give Namor a single win over Diana.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441943&pagenumber=4

Your point?

You don't have one so you ride the coat tails of others?

Who also seem to believe Wonder Woman is 5x's Namor?

TricksterPriest
You haven't countered the scans I posted. You haven't shown Namor doing feats on par with her. You haven't shown that he can last more than a few seconds. You continue to belittle and ignore my points.

thus, the only response, is dur. Wondy wins.

On a side note, we need a Wonder Woman Dur. I'm kind of surprised there isn't one.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Lulz... Lulz indeed...

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You haven't countered the scans I posted.

Wonder Woman getting her ass kicked by Daxamites and Flash are scans worth countering?

Her tagging an unclocked Flash making noise (depending on writer means he's under Mach 1) is her best feat?

Wonder Woman demonstrating her ability to dance around an opponent at light by flying in a straight line is worth countering?

You haven't shown Namor doing feats on par with her.

I've pointed out he has LEGIT wins/stalemates against high end CL 100's and having gone toe to toe with them, as well as feats that put him in the "Class 100,000" range you put Wonder Woman while you are content with posting scans of Wonder Woman getting slapped around by people and "holding her own."

Lol just because you care enough to dig up someone else's scans from whatever respect thread you are browsing ATM doesn't make anything you've said more valid, it just means the only thing you're good for is riding the coat-tails of your superiors. doped

You haven't shown that he can last more than a few seconds.

Because anyone with 1/1000000th bit of knowledge on both characters knows Namor would give Wonder Woman a good fight.

You continue to belittle and ignore my points.

You have points?

Papa Smurph
Hay guyz look

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/SCANZ.jpg

SCANZ


THIS ADDS CREDIBILITY TO MY ARGUMENT

NOW LET ME OUT OF CONTEXT IT FOR A SECOND

You know this Skrull had the combined power of the Illuminati combined with his own skrull correct?

This means he has Black Bolt's and Mr. Fantastic's ability to scale his power which is already at "Class 100,000" with Namor so this should put him at "Clas 100,000,000,000" (Reed altering his body structure to max out his raised Namor+Skrull level density combined with Black Bolt's ability to amp his 1 ton strength to CL 100 levels AND his own natural 1 ton str piled on).

In effect

Namor just snapped the neck of a Thanos level being and through him through a spike like a ragdoll

WHAT'S WONDER WOMAN DONE TO COUNTER THIS!

doped

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Hay guyz look

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/SCANZ.jpg

SCANZ


THIS ADDS CREDIBILITY TO MY ARGUMENT

NOW LET ME OUT OF CONTEXT IT FOR A SECOND

You know this Skrull had the combined power of the Illuminati combined with his own skrull correct?

This means he has Black Bolt's and Mr. Fantastic's ability to scale his power which is already at "Class 100,000" with Namor so this should put him at "Clas 100,000,000,000" (Reed altering his body structure to max out his raised Namor+Skrull level density combined with Black Bolt's ability to amp his 1 ton strength to CL 100 levels AND his own natural 1 ton str piled on).

In effect

Namor just snapped the neck of a Thanos level being and through him through a spike like a ragdoll

WHAT'S WONDER WOMAN DONE TO COUNTER THIS!

doped


...........Ummm........what? confused

Papa Smurph
Illuminati 5
page 15

Namor just snapped the neck of a Skrull with Class 1sextillion power and Strange magic, what has Wonder Woman done to counter?

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Illuminati 5
page 15

Namor just snapped the neck of a Skrull with Class 1sextillion power and Strange magic, what has Wonder Woman done to counter?

Well, obviously, if Namor can do it, WW can do it. Just throwing your own argument back at you. Surviving a punch from a sun-amped berserk Superman isn't that impressive since WW did it. Obviously Namor could do it.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I'm guessing this has to do more with her hardcore fanbase which seems to believe she's 5x's stronger then Namor and dances circles around him then actual portrayals in comics.

If you seriously believe Wonder Woman has a huge fanbase here, you haven't read many WW threads. She gets very little respect.

In fact, if most people here were told there was a comic where Black Adam or the Martian Manhunter took a punch from a sun-amped berserk Superman, they'd exclaim how incredibly tough that proved he was, how manly and powerful. Then when you revealed it was actually WW that did that, the explanations to explain it away would begin. Not true of everyone but quite common. Bottom line: WW is hardly a highly respected character for fight purposes here. The fact that she is rated above Namor is simply someone willing to be accurate and the fact that the majority on this thread give her a win over Namor just shows what a mismatch they think this is. She almost never comes out the majority winner in close fights.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Hay guyz look

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/SCANZ.jpg

SCANZ


THIS ADDS CREDIBILITY TO MY ARGUMENT

NOW LET ME OUT OF CONTEXT IT FOR A SECOND

You know this Skrull had the combined power of the Illuminati combined with his own skrull correct?

This means he has Black Bolt's and Mr. Fantastic's ability to scale his power which is already at "Class 100,000" with Namor so this should put him at "Clas 100,000,000,000" (Reed altering his body structure to max out his raised Namor+Skrull level density combined with Black Bolt's ability to amp his 1 ton strength to CL 100 levels AND his own natural 1 ton str piled on).

In effect

Namor just snapped the neck of a Thanos level being and through him through a spike like a ragdoll

WHAT'S WONDER WOMAN DONE TO COUNTER THIS!

doped

Um, in the scan, the Skrull says Namor can't snap his neck and Namor says, "I know. It was a distraction." Wouldn't this be sort of a non-feat since he did not, in fact, succeed in snapping his neck?

What are Namor's greatest strength, durability, speed feats? Not neccesarily in fights but overall?

Do they stand up to WW's greatest strength, durability, speed feats? And when I say speed, I mean reflexes and overall movement, not just straightline movement.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
Um, in the scan, the Skrull says Namor can't snap his neck and Namor says, "I know. It was a distraction." Wouldn't this be sort of a non-feat since he did not, in fact, succeed in snapping his neck?

His neck is completely twisted around when he said it. Though technically it isn't snapped.

What are Namor's greatest strength, durability, speed feats? Not neccesarily in fights but overall?

Greatest strength feats? Going toe to toe with most of Marvel's notable powerhouse without there being a noticeable distinction in strength (like with Wonder Woman) and often times shown as superior in his home field (unlike Wonder Woman), as well as multiple sub tossing feats (since out of fight feats carry more water then in battle portrayals nowadays) that'd put him in "Class 100,000". His reactionary speed feats reach in the levels of multiple mach, meaning Wonder Woman is not "dancing circles around him".

I doubt she dances circles around Iron Man for that matter, who's reaction time is said to be inhuman and based on his experience of flying around at high speeds.


not just straightline movement.


Of course, only someone like Trickster Priest would post pictures of characters moving in a straight line as a valid feat of battle prowess.

HAY GUYZ I GUESS JESSE OWENZ WOULD SPEEDBLITZ RAY LEONARD

HIS OUT OF BATTLE SPEED FEATS ARE BETTER.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Hay guyz look

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/SCANZ.jpg

SCANZ


THIS ADDS CREDIBILITY TO MY ARGUMENT

NOW LET ME OUT OF CONTEXT IT FOR A SECOND

You know this Skrull had the combined power of the Illuminati combined with his own skrull correct?

This means he has Black Bolt's and Mr. Fantastic's ability to scale his power which is already at "Class 100,000" with Namor so this should put him at "Clas 100,000,000,000" (Reed altering his body structure to max out his raised Namor+Skrull level density combined with Black Bolt's ability to amp his 1 ton strength to CL 100 levels AND his own natural 1 ton str piled on).

In effect

Namor just snapped the neck of a Thanos level being and through him through a spike like a ragdoll

WHAT'S WONDER WOMAN DONE TO COUNTER THIS!

doped

laughing

Hilariously True.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
True, his tactics stinked. but you're severely underrating his speed. He was controlled by a Starro. And unless you know nothing about DC, you know they use the full power of whoever they have their grip on.

Just now seen this.

Then why didn't Starro speed up the neurons in Wonder Woman's head and IMP the comatose Wonder Woman?

Why didn't Starro drain her speed grab a gun and shoot her in the face?

Why didn't Starro speed up her heart valves?

Why didn't Starro (insert speed based power that would have dead'd Wonder Woman on the spot)

Tony Stark
blink


Come on now I think that it's very easy to come about a Namor/IM majority win... Namor and IM take her on head on, IM calls down his war machine armor by his technopathy and he shoots her in the back with it's Gatling gun .50 cals...Over and over and over and over... This can be repeated.

End of discussion.


Now what?


wink

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Now what? Blocking gunfire, from all sides, at close range and/or while blind.

I'd bother with scans if I thought they meant anything to you. Post a pic of Namor next.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Blocking gunfire from all sides, at close range, while blind.

I'd bother with scans if I thought they meant anything to you. Post a pic of Namor next.



confused


K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.


smokin'

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Tony Stark
confused


K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.


smokin' That's nice, Tony. Blacksuit Namor next.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's nice, Tony. Blacksuit Namor next.




evil face

Superboy Prime
Wow.

Diana stomps them.

Superior Speed, strength, skill, experience and the nifty lasso see to that.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Tony Stark
confused


K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.


smokin'

So, your premise is that she thinks its her vs. Namor and nobody mentioned there was another contestant and she doesn't have that ability to block attacks while blind anymore? Just checking. So Iron-Man might beat her if he sneaks up from behind while she's fighting somebody else? Then again, since she'd sense him, she would likely just use her superior speed to dodge and let Namor take the hits or her superior strength to spin him into the way.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Tony Stark
confused


K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.


smokin'

Well, if we are going with the class system, Namor is Class 90. Personally I give him Class 100 to her Class Incalculable. Then we've got Iron-Man's Hyperbole blasts (hotter than the Sun) and Namor vs. a chick that can move a third of the mass of the Moon at the very least. All of which is ignoring the initial speed blitz that had already ended this.

Mindship
WW wins 6/10, due to superior strength (two high-kiloton-strength characters vs one megaton-strength character) and speed (near-FTL reflexes). She'd win more if she were bulletproof, and the only reason she isn't bulletproof is because blocking bullets is the icon's signature move, not because of higher psi (though Superman's fists are bigger than a bullet, they move so much faster that his fists generate a much higher psi--yes, I once worked this out mathematically in another thread. Yet, WW has repeatedly withstood blows from Big Blue).

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Mindship
WW wins 6/10, due to superior strength (two high-kiloton-strength characters vs one megaton-strength character) and speed (near-FTL reflexes). She'd win more if she were bulletproof, and the only reason she isn't bulletproof is because blocking bullets is the icon's signature move, not because of higher psi (though Superman's fists are bigger than a bullet, they move so much faster that his fists generate a much higher psi--yes, I once worked this out mathematically in another thread. Yet, WW has repeatedly withstood blows from Big Blue).

Yes the need to block bullets is a carryover from her origin in the 1940s and is still there because its her signature and her bracelets are signature gear. Needing to block bullets is inconsistent with her durability in other ways. Its like the Green Lanterns and their weakness to yellow. Its just an anomaly, It doesn't anything about their durability otherwise. And both are being widdled away. The GLs can now overcome the weakness to yellow by overcoming fear and WW it seems now winces if bullets hit her but they don't put her down.

This chick survived punches from Supes and kept fighting. IM and Namor would be splattered across the solar system by those punches. And let's not ignore they had to make Superman berserk and sun-amped both pushing him beyond his normal strength levels to even knock her out for a couple of seconds.

Mindship
Originally posted by SupremeMan
WW it seems now winces if bullets hit her but they don't put her down.Suggestion for new signature move: she catches bullets and throws 'em right back at the source.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Mindship
Suggestion for new signature move: she catches bullets and throws 'em right back at the source.

Just reread a Wonder Woman comic, #194. It was just the next one to reread in order. WW protects a man by running around him, shielding him from energy from the Shattered God as he summons all of himself from all the reaches of the universe. So we have all this energy coming at the man at beyond lightspeed and she is circling him so fast she's blocking all of it. In one panel, we see thirteen images of her around him with her arms moving so fast she blocks everything. Yeah Namor and IM have done feats of speed and reflexes like that- not!

Tony Stark
Originally posted by SupremeMan
Well, if we are going with the class system, Namor is Class 90. Personally I give him Class 100 to her Class Incalculable. Then we've got Iron-Man's Hyperbole blasts (hotter than the Sun) and Namor vs. a chick that can move a third of the mass of the Moon at the very least. All of which is ignoring the initial speed blitz that had already ended this.



What decade are you retrieving your intel from... Namor is most definitely CL100... And You may want to go to the IM respect thread to see him bubble Graviton with his chest ray. At a little over 70% power output it was hotter than the sun. It is on panel and definitely not hyperbole.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Tony Stark
What decade are you retrieving your intel from... Namor is most definitely CL100... And You may want to go to the IM respect thread to see him bubble Graviton with his chest ray. At a little over 70% power output it was hotter than the sun. It is on panel and definitely not hyperbole.

First, I'll admit straight out that with the prices of comics today, I don't see how anybody can collect enough comics to know all characters extremely well. In most of these debates, I strongly suspect most people don't have up to date information on all characters directly from the comics unless they burn their entire paycheck on comics while living at their parents' house- or they work in a comics store.

But I took this from two sources. One was the KMC Mixed Genre and Comic Tier Reference Guide which lists Wonder Woman as Middle Level Herald overall power level and both Namor and IM as high metahuman level.

The other was

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamdav86/Strength_level_(comics)

which listed Namor as Class 90 but, according to what I've read here, I'd say more like Class 100. Although the site only lists Marvel characters, the description would put WW in the Incalculable class.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan


But I took this from two sources. One was the KMC Mixed Genre and Comic Tier Reference Guide which lists Wonder Woman as Middle Level Herald overall power level and both Namor and IM as high metahuman level.


Which is more of a fallacy on KMC's part.

Wonder Woman is on the same tier as Gladiator

How?

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Which is more of a fallacy on KMC's part.

Wonder Woman is on the same tier as Gladiator

How?

Cause she takes a majority from Glads with her weapons. wink

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Cause she takes a majority from Glads with her weapons. wink



Why? She can't even make a Daxamite break a sweat.

TricksterPriest
She's been upgraded quite a bit since then. And she wasn't trying to kill said daxamite.

Also, Daxamite>> or maybe >>>Gladiator.

Papa Smurph
Daxamites have legitmate planet buster feats under their belts?

Daxamites have moved so fast that they were able to transcend time and space stoppage?

Daxamites have crushed and ripped stars apart with their bare hands?

Wonder Woman has legit wins over high end Class 100's?

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Daxamites have legitmate planet buster feats under their belts?

Daxamites have moved so fast that they were able to transcend time and space stoppage?

Daxamites have crushed and ripped stars apart with their bare hands?

Wonder Woman has legit wins over high end Class 100's?

duryes

Tony Stark
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
She's been upgraded quite a bit since then. And she wasn't trying to kill said daxamite.

Also, Daxamite>> or maybe >>>Gladiator.



confused

eek!

laughing out loud

laughing

rolling on floor laughing

confused

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
duryes

So they don't

Concession excepted

Evangel94
While I'm not going to try to take sides in this thread, I will say that everyone needs to keep an open mind. If you don't agree with the opposing side in this thread, that's fine. But don't ridicule them for thinking the way they do. You're all capable of having a decent respectful debate so let's end the mud slinging, insults, and actually start listening and respecting one another.

The idea of these threads is to share your knowledge and opinions with other posters while being accepting of what other people have to say so that everyone comes away with more that what they brought into the thread. Remember its the discussions that people have in these threads that matter, not the actual perceived outcome.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Evangel94
While I'm not going to try to take sides in this thread, I will say that everyone needs to keep an open mind. If you don't agree with the opposing side in this thread, that's fine. But don't ridicule them for thinking the way they do. You're all capable of having a decent respectful debate so let's end the mud slinging, insults, and actually start listening and respecting one another.

The idea of these threads is to share your knowledge and opinions with other posters while being accepting of what other people have to say so that everyone comes away with more that what they brought into the thread. Remember its the discussions that people have in these threads that matter, not the actual perceived outcome.

Evangel, what part of 'spite match' do you not get? There is no side. There's only one real outcome to this, and only two rabid fanboys are saying Wondy loses.

Papa Smurf outright ignores and demeans evidence. And Stark is one of the worst marvel trolls on the forum. He gave Thanos a win over the Spectre, and claimed Thor didn't beat Extremis IM. What the f**k?

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Evangel94
While I'm not going to try to take sides in this thread, I will say that everyone needs to keep an open mind. If you don't agree with the opposing side in this thread, that's fine. But don't ridicule them for thinking the way they do. You're all capable of having a decent respectful debate so let's end the mud slinging, insults, and actually start listening and respecting one another.

The idea of these threads is to share your knowledge and opinions with other posters while being accepting of what other people have to say so that everyone comes away with more that what they brought into the thread. Remember its the discussions that people have in these threads that matter, not the actual perceived outcome.

I just do this because its fun. Comics characters are such wopping bastions of inconsistency that its hard to ever pin down an absolute who beats who. But, hey, its a hobby.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Evangel, what part of 'spite match' do you not get? There is no side. There's only one real outcome to this, and only two rabid fanboys are saying Wondy loses.

Papa Smurf outright ignores and demeans evidence. And Stark is one of the worst marvel trolls on the forum. He gave Thanos a win over the Spectre, and claimed Thor didn't beat Extremis IM. What the f**k?

The only part I found truly funny was the assumption that Wonder Woman has some huge fanbase here and that explains her perceived victory by everyone except Papa and Tony. She gets relatively little respect and that makes her victory here all the more amazing.

This same thing happened on a Black Adam vs. WW thread except everybody but two people said it was a clear win for Black Adam and the two dissenters (well, more one of them really) kept it going for 90+ pages rather than accept that most people didn't agree with them and with good reason. Black Adam is simply more powerful than Wonder Woman overall. But here its IM and Namor who are just outclassed. She is just above their power level and not just because of "Sacrifice." And again its two people who won't stop until either everyone agrees with them OR they are satisfied in their own minds that they have won the argument by attrition.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
The only part I found truly funny was the assumption that Wonder Woman has some huge fanbase here and that explains her perceived victory by everyone except Papa and Tony. She gets relatively little respect and that makes her victory here all the more amazing.



Wonder Woman = 5x Namor
Wonder Woman = Dances circles around Namor.

Maybe the board just hates Namor more?

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest


Papa Smurf outright ignores and demeans evidence. And Stark is one of the worst marvel trolls on the forum. He gave Thanos a win over the Spectre, and claimed Thor didn't beat Extremis IM. What the f**k?

I'm sorry that a Daxamite kicking Wonder Woman's ass is the greatest in battle accomplishment she's had in her career of mediocrity.

I really am.

sad

TricksterPriest
I can think of 2 major Wondy fans on this board. Draco and Nvr. That's it. no expression

And compared to Wondy, this board loves Namor. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Papa Smurph
If Wonder Woman is 5x's Namor she one shots Thor, correct?

TricksterPriest
5x Namor isn't nearly enough to one shot Thor. and what does Thor have to do with this? He's way beyond Namor and IM, same as Wondy.

The two are plainly outclassed.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
5x Namor isn't nearly enough to one shot Thor. and what does Thor have to do with this? He's way beyond Namor and IM, same as Wondy.

Which is why IM has wins over him and Namor always fights Thor from a peer to peer standpoint, correct?

So Wonder Woman, who is 5x's Namor, should be able to slaughter Thor, who has never in his career shown to even be 2x's Namor. I'd say based on their fights Thor has barely shown to even be 1.5x Namor.

She also dances circles around him.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Wonder Woman = 5x Namor
Wonder Woman = Dances circles around Namor.

Maybe the board just hates Namor more?

I've seen comics where WW is running in a circle so fast you see over a dozen images of her as she blocks countless energy particles moving faster than light and those sorts of speed feats were not and are not all that unusual in her book.

She was asked once how much she could lift. She said she didn't know because she's never been able to find anything she couldn't lift. I'll be reasonable and assume she didn't include the planet- a moon maybe. I think you mentioned submarines as one of Namor's most impressive lifts. The equal levels are so obvious.

TricksterPriest
Do you seriously think these 2 can take Thor? What the f**k? IM has never beaten a Thor who was using his full power. And as Thor demonstrated recently, the two are in completely different weight classes.

Same with Namor and Thor, but to a slightly lesser extent.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
If Wonder Woman is 5x's Namor she one shots Thor, correct?

Oh please, Thor's on a much higher level than Namor.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
I've seen comics where WW is running in a circle so fast you see over a dozen images of her as she blocks countless energy particles moving faster than light and those sorts of speed feats were not and are not all that unusual in her book.


I've never seen comics where she dances circles around anyone as capable as EDIT:Namor.

Your logic, Jesse Owens beats Mike Tyson.

He dances circles around him using his travel/running speed.

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Which is why IM has wins over him and Namor always fights Thor from a peer to peer standpoint, correct?

So Wonder Woman, who is 5x's Namor, should be able to slaughter Thor, who has never in his career shown to even be 2x's Namor. I'd say based on their fights Thor has barely shown to even be 1.5x Namor.

She also dances circles around him.

In their most recent fight, Thor owned Iron-Man so fast it barely even started. And I believe someone posted Thor owning Namor like he was a child even under water.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Do you seriously think these 2 can take Thor? What the f**k? IM has never beaten a Thor who was using his full power.

He KO'd a bloodlusted Thor being controlled by the Dragon of the Moon.

And as Thor demonstrated recently, the two are in completely different weight classes.

By using a lightning bolt.

Same with Namor and Thor, but to a slightly lesser extent.

Care to post any of Namor's fights with Thor where Thor has even appeared to be 2x's Namor? I know they have their fights in a respect thread somewhere you can rip off.

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Mr. Slippyfist
Thor one punched Namor. smile

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I've never seen comics where she dances circles around anyone as capable as EDIT:Namor.

Your logic, Jesse Owens beats Mike Tyson.

He dances circles around him using his travel/running speed.

It was far more than just running speed and the opponents she doesn't dance circles around are opponents like Superman and Black Adam, characters who themselves are on that level of speed.

Papa Smurph
Namor nearly beat Thor underwater

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Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
It was far more than just running speed and the opponents she doesn't dance circles around are opponents like Superman and Black Adam, characters who themselves are on that level of speed.

When has Black Adam danced circles around someone?

When has Superman used his speed advantage to dance circles around Wonder Woman?

Mr. Slippyfist
Is that the time Thor threw him away a couple miles, and ended the fight?

SupremeMan
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
When has Black Adam danced circles around someone?

When has Superman used his speed advantage to dance circles around Wonder Woman?

I did not say HE danced circles around HER. I said SHE did not dance circles around HIM. Because THEY are both extreme speed characters and cannot beat each other by doing that.

And most of BA's fights that I've seen have been against people like Superman or Captain Marvel where they are both on an extreme speed level.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Is that the time Thor threw him away a couple miles, and ended the fight?

The time he pulled Thor underwater, Spiderman-like blitzed him followed by claim of being unbeatable in water, then punched him out of water in his moment of character induced stupidity.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by SupremeMan
I did not say HE danced circles around HER. I said SHE did not dance circles around HIM. Because THEY are both extreme speed characters and cannot beat each other by doing that.

And most of BA's fights that I've seen have been against people like Superman or Captain Marvel where they are both on an extreme speed level.

When has Captain Marvel danced circles around someone?
When has Wonder Woman danced circles around someone?

Mr. Slippyfist
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
The time he pulled Thor underwater, Spiderman-like blitzed him followed by claim of being unbeatable in water, then punched him out of water in his moment of character induced stupidity. Not in the fight Thor whipped him across the ocean...

TricksterPriest
this is a waste of time. It's clear papa smurf is too far into his marvel delusions to see why his team loses.

Papa Smurph
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
this is a waste of time. It's clear papa smurf is too far into his marvel delusions to see why his team loses.

Sure.

Btw those feats of Wonder Woman getting her ass kicked sure do stack up!

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