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The Surfer's only purpose is to dose Superman with solar radiation.
Xavier's only purpose is to instill Gladiator with illimitable confidence, taking away any doubt he may have during the fight.

Surfer and Xavier may not interfere with the battle directly.

Both characters are bloodlusted, and Superman.....is angry!
Battlezone is above Metropolis, Metropolis is deserted.

Who wins?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
The Surfer's only purpose is to dose Superman with solar radiation.
Xavier's only purpose is to instill Gladiator with illimitable confidence, taking away any doubt he may have during the fight.

Surfer and Xavier may not interfere with the battle directly.

Both characters are bloodlusted, and Superman.....is angry!
Battlezone is above Metropolis, Metropolis is deserted.

Who wins?
supes ftw with supply of radiation he will always be stronger than kallark .despite his boost in confidence gladiator will still become weak at some point

I figured Supes would still win, i was just basing Gladiators ability from the hyperbole that he has limitless strength/ speed, etc the more confident he becomes.
So by taking away any fear or doubt he would ever have, making him supremely confident, would make him exponentially powerful......or not

Superman.

Gladiator, in a stomp.

Originally posted by llagrok
Gladiator, in a stomp.

How?

Surfer solos wickedph

Originally posted by batdude123
How?

By knocking out Superman.

Originally posted by llagrok
By knocking out Superman.

barker

Superman ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
barker

Superman ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
barker

Superman ftw.

Gladiator ftw.

Originally posted by llagrok
Gladiator ftw.

Seriously...

Originally posted by batdude123
barker

Superman ftw.

Originally posted by llagrok
Gladiator ftw.

I understand Gladiator would be extremely powerful, but a sun-dipped Superman beating powerful?

I doubt it.

How do you see the fight going my friend?

For the first few minutes this will be a fight, but I've never seen how well Glads Confidence really speeds up his strength, speed,etc compared to Superman taking large amounts of Solar Radiation in.

So after those first few moments Superman begins to smack Glads around like a red-headed step-child simply because we know how much stronger Superman gets after getting more solar radiation. The answer a lot.

Superman.

Superman could not put down wonderwoman when he was enraged but gladiator got mad and hyperion went to sleep because his neck got snapped like a twig..... Gladiator would destroy wonderwoman and hyperion would give supes all the hell he can handle....Supes gets his ass stomped.. Surfer firing solar radiation into supes and the fights in a DC city..HA HA HA HA.....He will need all the help he can get as i see you are giving him.HA HA BUT HE STILL WILL LOSE BECAUSE OF HIS LOWER SPEED AND FIGHTING SKILLS....THATS HOW WONDERWOMAN KNOCKS HIM AROUND....Amp his speed and fighting skills and then we will have a fight.

The amount of solar radiation Surfer could give Supes would be wrong.

Superman wins... Superman stomps.

How quick did hyperions neck get snapped?...A DEAD or a body in a coma in nao-seconds could harness the beyonders radiation bath but it wont help at all.

Gladiator got KO'ed by laser guns.

Hyperion does not equal relevancy to Superman...

Originally posted by james2099
Superman could not put down wonderwoman when he was enraged but gladiator got mad and hyperion went to sleep because his neck got snapped like a twig..... Gladiator would destroy wonderwoman and hyperion would give supes all the hell he can handle....Supes gets his ass stomped.. Surfer firing solar radiation into supes and the fights in a DC city..HA HA HA HA.....He will need all the help he can get as i see you are giving him.HA HA BUT HE STILL WILL LOSE BECAUSE OF HIS LOWER SPEED AND FIGHTING SKILLS....THATS HOW WONDERWOMAN KNOCKS HIM AROUND....Amp his speed and fighting skills and then we will have a fight.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Gladiator got KO'ed by laser guns.

Hyperion does not equal relevancy to Superman... Gas station and powerlines have dropped supes so low showing happens to all..... But when you debate a then run to one persons low showing and leave out the others you label yourself as a fanboy so debating your type will only resort to name calling and other fanboys from both sides,You think supes will win but you do not take into consideration what could happen if gladiator with MR X keeping his mind focused..Why bring up laser guns? What would laser guns do to this gladiator? Are you trying to have gladiator at his lowest and superman at his best? A true debater would have spoken of the laser guns and the gas station..A fanboy would not debate because he does not think supes would win he WANTS supes to win so he or she forgets how a person is looked at in this fight... BOTH ARE AT THEIR BEST.....a laser gun will not KO this gladiator or superman but you are not using THIS gladiator so the debate between me and you has come to an end.

Have we ever seen the limits of what a confidence-boosted Gladiator can accomplish? No.

Have we ever seen the limits of what an infinitely sun-enhanced Superman can accomplish? No.

Great match. I call stalemate.

Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Have we ever seen the limits of what a confidence-boosted Gladiator can accomplish? No.

Have we ever seen the limits of what an infinitely sun-enhanced Superman can accomplish? No.

Great match. I call stalemate.

superman ftw

Originally posted by Grammaton
Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

Originally posted by james2099
Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

If were going to start talking feats then I think its safe to say that Superman has done it all (and the list is far too long and everyone already has a good idea). But we're not talkin about feats. Gladiator is far too inconsistent and against lesser powered beings could probably hold his own and keep his confidence high - but againt somone like Superman? Gladiator is not going to be consistently confident, all it'll take is a few sun dipped powered blows - and Gladiator will not be able to maintain his power and will be exploited unlike Superman who will only get stronger.

Has Superman ever punched apart two planets?

Current Superman.

Originally posted by llagrok
Has Superman ever punched apart two planets?

Current Superman.
Cant say hes ever needed to,we know he can move planets much heavier than earth,and that he can hold mini black holes with his bare hands,and when he gladiator ever done that cause I only remember him breaking a planet with 3 punches once.

current supes could not hold a black adam let alone a black hole in his hands nor could he punch and destroy a planet, He needed help to move a moon so a planet is out of the question...Will someone start a thread about planet movers and destroyer with PROOF THAT THEY DID IT.

Originally posted by james2099
current supes could not hold a black adam let alone a black hole in his hands nor could he punch and destroy a planet, He needed help to move a moon so a planet is out of the question...Will someone start a thread about planet movers and destroyer with PROOF THAT THEY DID IT.
Hold a black adam?,hes moved heavier than earth planets while under a red sun,and contained a mini black hole with his hands,not to mention several people who would know about supermans strength saying he could crack a planet.

Originally posted by Grammaton
Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion

Why would Gladiator's power wain in this fight? That's the entire purpose of having Xavier on the "team," so his theoretical confidence can never go down in this fight.

The Gladiator in this fight pretty much isn't one we've seen in comics, and I fail to see how anyone gets stomped.

Originally posted by james2099
Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

These are good points and this is a good match.

My idea of including Xavier was so Gladiators confidence would NEVER diminish or dwindle, it would remain at maximum until he either killed or was killed.
Superman would also be constantly receiving solar radiation in large doses from the beginning until the end.

We have no feats of Gladiator with this kind of confidence boost so the outcome on that regard would always be speculation.
However, the feats we have of a sun-dipped Superman show his power increase exponentially.

They're also bloodlusted, no so holding back for either.

How fast is a Sun amped Supes? Because normal Glads was clocked at 100 times the speed of light so an amped Glads would be faster could Supes keep up? If so this could be a stalemate.

Originally posted by D-Block
How fast is a Sun amped Supes? Because normal Glads was clocked at 100 times the speed of light so an amped Glads would be faster could Supes keep up? If so this could be a stalemate.
During inf crisis he flew over 2.3million lightyears in a very short time,and sun dip increase his abilities many times over very fast.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hold a black adam?,hes moved heavier than earth planets while under a red sun,and contained a mini black hole with his hands,not to mention several people who would know about supermans strength saying he could crack a planet. Current supes cannot do any of that, Gladiator has destroyed a planet and has boasted of being able to move planets and colapse stars....All of which he has done or claim to be able to do at normal level...At normal level superman has never did or claimed to be able to do any of the feats you named... If gladiator displays that kind of power at normal levels and supes does not then its up to the point of how much stronger each will get when the solar bath and confidence boost happens....Now if glads can do all of those things when at normal levels what can he do if he thinks hes a GOD.... Same for supes, What can he do when hes amped?...Hes been amped before and sundipped before and been in fights so what happened in his fights? How would gladiator fight when amped?

Originally posted by Newjak
For the first few minutes this will be a fight, but I've never seen how well Glads Confidence really speeds up his strength, speed,etc compared to Superman taking large amounts of Solar Radiation in.

So after those first few moments Superman begins to smack Glads around like a red-headed step-child simply because we know how much stronger Superman gets after getting more solar radiation. The answer a lot.

QFT.

Originally posted by james2099
Current supes cannot do any of that, Gladiator has destroyed a planet and has boasted of being able to move planets and colapse stars....All of which he has done or claim to be able to do at normal level...At normal level superman has never did or claimed to be able to do any of the feats you named... If gladiator displays that kind of power at normal levels and supes does not then its up to the point of how much stronger each will get when the solar bath and confidence boost happens....Now if glads can do all of those things when at normal levels what can he do if he thinks hes a GOD.... Same for supes, What can he do when hes amped?...Hes been amped before and sundipped before and been in fights so what happened in his fights? How would gladiator fight when amped?
Except he did do those things and on panel...seriously you keep saying nuh uh isnt changing that,multiple people who would know what supermans power level is including himself have said that he could split a planet in half,he has held a mini black hole in the jla series,he has pushed a world while under a red sun that was heavier than earth is.

What you have here is a match between the Hulk (with a stipulation that he starts very angry, and that his anger continues to increase during the duration of the match), against the Juggernaut.

The 'Hulk' here is Superman ....and the increasing 'anger' is basically the solar juice emanating from Surfer. The longer the fight goes on, the more juiced he gets.

Juggernaut is Gladiator .....the psycho-effect from xavier basically means that Gladiator does not ebb ....he doesn't lose confidence and become a playtoy, and thus is similar to how the Juggernaut is. Protected by Cytorrak etc etc etc.

Thus, the question is (to put it another way) ....would a Hulk that is getting exponentially angry (and anger, just like how sunlight affects Superman, works in an exponential manner .....it is like decibels ....140 decibels is not double 70 decibels ...it is far higher) manage to defeat the Juggernaut.

As in:
a) Will Hulk's anger get to a point whereby (as it exponentially increases) he becomes more powerful physically than the level of protection that Cytorrak gives Juggernaut,

or

b) Will the Juggernaut be able to knock out the Hulk before he simply gets too strong to manage?

Those are the questions, and they are the same questions for Superman (with an ever increasing sun-dip) versus Gladiator (who is at maximum strength).

But note: In both the Hulk and Superman case, they are getting exponentially stronger by the second. Every second that passes you face someone who is measurably stronger than he was a second ago. Any injury you might have metted on them is gone (healing, anger and solar based), and disadvantage they may have been at is lesser, and any advantage you may have considered your own is getting eroded. And this is happening on an exponential basis.

Also note: Juggernaut and Gladiator are NOT getting stronger. What is happening is that they are NOT getting WEAKER. They are at maximum strength.

But even if one was to assume that Gladiator and Juggernaut are stronger than Superman and Hulk respectively, what should be realized is that both Kal and Banner are getting stronger at a very fast rate, and before long you end up in a pre-crisis/WWH situation whereby it starts to resemble more of a DragonBall Z cartoon on steroids rather than 'normal' comics (whatever normal is).

You basically move into a deux ex machina situation that is not abating, and suddenly the advantages that mgiht have been held by Juggernaut and Kallark start looking dim.

Unless they win immediately at the outset of the battle (basically the proverbial one-second knockout), what will happen is that with each passing second they face a more powerful, more durable, more refreshed foe who is basically been constantly boosted.

Originally posted by spetznaz
What you have here is a match between the Hulk (with a stipulation that he starts very angry, and that his anger continues to increase during the duration of the match), against the Juggernaut.

The 'Hulk' here is Superman ....and the increasing 'anger' is basically the solar juice emanating from Surfer. The longer the fight goes on, the more juiced he gets.

Juggernaut is Gladiator .....the psycho-effect from xavier basically means that Gladiator does not ebb ....he doesn't lose confidence and become a playtoy, and thus is similar to how the Juggernaut is. Protected by Cytorrak etc etc etc.

Thus, the question is (to put it another way) ....would a Hulk that is getting exponentially angry (and anger, just like how sunlight affects Superman, works in an exponential manner .....it is like decibels ....140 decibels is not double 70 decibels ...it is far higher) manage to defeat the Juggernaut.

As in:
a) Will Hulk's anger get to a point whereby (as it exponentially increases) he becomes more powerful physically than the level of protection that Cytorrak gives Juggernaut,

or

b) Will the Juggernaut be able to knock out the Hulk before he simply gets too strong to manage?

Those are the questions, and they are the same questions for Superman (with an ever increasing sun-dip) versus Gladiator (who is at maximum strength).

But note: In both the Hulk and Superman case, they are getting exponentially stronger by the second. Every second that passes you face someone who is measurably stronger than he was a second ago. Any injury you might have metted on them is gone (healing, anger and solar based), and disadvantage they may have been at is lesser, and any advantage you may have considered your own is getting eroded. And this is happening on an exponential basis.

Also note: Juggernaut and Gladiator are NOT getting stronger. What is happening is that they are NOT getting WEAKER. They are at maximum strength.

But even if one was to assume that Gladiator and Juggernaut are stronger than Superman and Hulk respectively, what should be realized is that both Kal and Banner are getting stronger at a very fast rate, and before long you end up in a pre-crisis/WWH situation whereby it starts to resemble more of a DragonBall Z cartoon on steroids rather than 'normal' comics (whatever normal is).

You basically move into a deux ex machina situation that is not abating, and suddenly the advantages that mgiht have been held by Juggernaut and Kallark start looking dim.

Unless they win immediately at the outset of the battle (basically the proverbial one-second knockout), what will happen is that with each passing second they face a more powerful, more durable, more refreshed foe who is basically been constantly boosted.

Good post. I still do not think that Gladiator would "knock" Superman out in a few blows which as above would mean Superman would get stronger and stronger. Unlike the Hulk - a cosmically charged Superman is going to get consistently stronger & more powerful - the Hulk relies on his emotions (rage, fear etc) which must fluctuate and therefore the rate at which he grows stronger would also vary.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except he did do those things and on panel...seriously you keep saying nuh uh isnt changing that,multiple people who would know what supermans power level is including himself have said that he could split a planet in half,he has held a mini black hole in the jla series,he has pushed a world while under a red sun that was heavier than earth is. What planet did current sups push? Was it stated that it was heavier than earth? Was that all-star superman that held that black hole?Are you using current superman or or you stating feats from other supermen that wear the same suit? There are so many people that give credit to current supes for so many feats but get him mixed up with pre,all-star,1 million,prime and others....I am not saying that you do but what you are describing does not match the current supes i know...But like anyone i could be wrong.

Originally posted by spetznaz
What you have here is a match between the Hulk (with a stipulation that he starts very angry, and that his anger continues to increase during the duration of the match), against the Juggernaut.

The 'Hulk' here is Superman ....and the increasing 'anger' is basically the solar juice emanating from Surfer. The longer the fight goes on, the more juiced he gets.

Juggernaut is Gladiator .....the psycho-effect from xavier basically means that Gladiator does not ebb ....he doesn't lose confidence and become a playtoy, and thus is similar to how the Juggernaut is. Protected by Cytorrak etc etc etc.

Thus, the question is (to put it another way) ....would a Hulk that is getting exponentially angry (and anger, just like how sunlight affects Superman, works in an exponential manner .....it is like decibels ....140 decibels is not double 70 decibels ...it is far higher) manage to defeat the Juggernaut.

As in:
a) Will Hulk's anger get to a point whereby (as it exponentially increases) he becomes more powerful physically than the level of protection that Cytorrak gives Juggernaut,

or

b) Will the Juggernaut be able to knock out the Hulk before he simply gets too strong to manage?

Those are the questions, and they are the same questions for Superman (with an ever increasing sun-dip) versus Gladiator (who is at maximum strength).

But note: In both the Hulk and Superman case, they are getting exponentially stronger by the second. Every second that passes you face someone who is measurably stronger than he was a second ago. Any injury you might have metted on them is gone (healing, anger and solar based), and disadvantage they may have been at is lesser, and any advantage you may have considered your own is getting eroded. And this is happening on an exponential basis.

Also note: Juggernaut and Gladiator are NOT getting stronger. What is happening is that they are NOT getting WEAKER. They are at maximum strength.

But even if one was to assume that Gladiator and Juggernaut are stronger than Superman and Hulk respectively, what should be realized is that both Kal and Banner are getting stronger at a very fast rate, and before long you end up in a pre-crisis/WWH situation whereby it starts to resemble more of a DragonBall Z cartoon on steroids rather than 'normal' comics (whatever normal is).

You basically move into a deux ex machina situation that is not abating, and suddenly the advantages that mgiht have been held by Juggernaut and Kallark start looking dim.

Unless they win immediately at the outset of the battle (basically the proverbial one-second knockout), what will happen is that with each passing second they face a more powerful, more durable, more refreshed foe who is basically been constantly boosted. Very good post but gladiator will also be getting stronger,His confidence is like hulks anger...It makes him more powerful, Just as quick as it can drop it can rise...Its in his bio.....The more confident he becomes the more powerful he becomes so the more determined he gets to win this fight the stronger he becomes. As in supermans case its a question of how much solar radiation he can absorb? Will there be a point when he has to stop or can he take it or when the battle starts who hits ultra levels first? This fight could start in seconds and time could be a factor.

James,

I am assuming that Xavier makes, and more importantly keeps, Gladiator FULLY confident. If that is the case, and ol' Kallark is basically on cloud nine better than a mystic on peyote, then basically being FULLY confident he is at the APEX of his power.

It is like if i have my car fully fueled ....it is full of gas. And let's say that i develop a device that somehow ensures that the gas tank is ALWAYS full .....that doesn't mean that my gas tank is getting fuller by the second, but rather that my gas tank never runs out.

That is Gladiator ....he is basically a high performance car (or let's use jet figher) that is basically going full blast, and will continue going full blast because the fuel is not getting depleted. He is a SR-71 Blackbird going at Mach 3+, and will constantly keep on going at that speed since his fuel is constant.

But what about Superman.

Superman is a rocket ship .....a rocket ship that every second gets the equivalent of a new ENGINE added. Thus, the rocket starts at Mach 2 at take off with one engine, but 5 minutes later it has 2 engines at it is going at mach 4. Five minutes later it has 3 engines at it is moving at mach 8 (again, the exponential factor, thus there is geometric progression happening). Another five minutes and it gets a fourth engine and it is moving at Mach 16 ........then another five minutes and a fifth engine falls into place, and suddenly you have something moving so fast that it is getting close to ridiculous.....

.....and another engine comes into place, and another, and another, and another, and another .....

.....that is the drift i am trying to make.

(By the way, try reading up on the ionic or ion drive that some scientists envision to be the way in which humans will explore galaxies beyond ours .....the ion drive starts very very slowly ....so slow that you cannot even see movement ....but it continues to accelerate .....and after a while it is moving so fast that cnventional rockets cannot compare).

That is why a Superman (being constantly charged), or a Hulk that is constantly getting angered, would end up in a state where he is at precrisis/WWH levels, and end up defeating a Kallark/Juggernaut.

To those in the know, call it the Alpha-Ziridium process.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
During inf crisis he flew over 2.3million lightyears in a very short time,and sun dip increase his abilities many times over very fast.

Good look on the info. thats fast.

Originally posted by spetznaz
James,

I am assuming that Xavier makes, and more importantly keeps, Gladiator FULLY confident. If that is the case, and ol' Kallark is basically on cloud nine better than a mystic on peyote, then basically being FULLY confident he is at the APEX of his power.

It is like if i have my car fully fueled ....it is full of gas. And let's say that i develop a device that somehow ensures that the gas tank is ALWAYS full .....that doesn't mean that my gas tank is getting fuller by the second, but rather that my gas tank never runs out.

That is Gladiator ....he is basically a high performance car (or let's use jet figher) that is basically going full blast, and will continue going full blast because the fuel is not getting depleted. He is a SR-71 Blackbird going at Mach 3+, and will constantly keep on going at that speed since his fuel is constant.

But what about Superman.

Superman is a rocket ship .....a rocket ship that every second gets the equivalent of a new ENGINE added. Thus, the rocket starts at Mach 2 at take off with one engine, but 5 minutes later it has 2 engines at it is going at mach 4. Five minutes later it has 3 engines at it is moving at mach 8 (again, the exponential factor, thus there is geometric progression happening). Another five minutes and it gets a fourth engine and it is moving at Mach 16 ........then another five minutes and a fifth engine falls into place, and suddenly you have something moving so fast that it is getting close to ridiculous.....

.....and another engine comes into place, and another, and another, and another, and another .....

.....that is the drift i am trying to make.

(By the way, try reading up on the ionic or ion drive that some scientists envision to be the way in which humans will explore galaxies beyond ours .....the ion drive starts very very slowly ....so slow that you cannot even see movement ....but it continues to accelerate .....and after a while it is moving so fast that cnventional rockets cannot compare).

That is why a Superman (being constantly charged), or a Hulk that is constantly getting angered, would end up in a state where he is at precrisis/WWH levels, and end up defeating a Kallark/Juggernaut.

To those in the know, call it the Alpha-Ziridium process. Almost true,But gladiators powers does not work that way.He starts off at near limitless strength.Now here is the catch...If he thinks he can do something or sets his mind to do something his strength and powers will increase to acomplish that task..As when vulcan asked him why he could not touch him and glads told him i BELIEVE myself untouchable..He is based off of will power, Thats why the uppermost limits to his strength is unknown...Thats how he destroyed that planet.. It was in his way and he thought it had to be moved .As with supes he will have to burn energy like with the engines being added, Its going to get to a point where some engines will burn out.He can take only so much energy until he has to back off or surfer could wind up killing him.

Have we seen Gladiator's max?

Originally posted by llagrok
Have we seen Gladiator's max? Not to my knowledge. We've seen him smacked down by foes like Tyrant, however.

Superman wins

And spetznaz for most of his points.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Not to my knowledge. We've seen him smacked down by foes like Tyrant, however.

I know, but that's not entirely relevant.

Unless people have actually read a comic where Gladiator's confidence has been at its peak, then I don't see how they can claim that he would beat or lose to Superman.

Originally posted by james2099
Almost true,But gladiators powers does not work that way.He starts off at near limitless strength.Now here is the catch...If he thinks he can do something or sets his mind to do something his strength and powers will increase to acomplish that task..As when vulcan asked him why he could not touch him and glads told him i BELIEVE myself untouchable..He is based off of will power, Thats why the uppermost limits to his strength is unknown...Thats how he destroyed that planet.. It was in his way and he thought it had to be moved .As with supes he will have to burn energy like with the engines being added, Its going to get to a point where some engines will burn out.He can take only so much energy until he has to back off or surfer could wind up killing him.

sounds like superman to me... oh wait "rip off"

I love Spetsnaz.

His Supes/Hulk Glads/Juggy analogy is exactly what I had in mind for this fight.

This thread was well thought out. Brought an omni-dimensional appeal that was more refreshing than the usual 'fisticuffs' approach to things.

Originally posted by james2099
Almost true,But gladiators powers does not work that way.He starts off at near limitless strength.Now here is the catch...If he thinks he can do something or sets his mind to do something his strength and powers will increase to acomplish that task..As when vulcan asked him why he could not touch him and glads told him i BELIEVE myself untouchable..He is based off of will power, Thats why the uppermost limits to his strength is unknown...Thats how he destroyed that planet.. It was in his way and he thought it had to be moved .As with supes he will have to burn energy like with the engines being added, Its going to get to a point where some engines will burn out.He can take only so much energy until he has to back off or surfer could wind up killing him.
Hes been able to asborn solar radiation for over 80k years....surfer isnt overloading him anytime soon,supeman is eventually knocking kallark the hell out.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hes been able to asborn solar radiation for over 80k years....surfer isnt overloading him anytime soon,supeman is eventually knocking kallark the hell out. well surfer cannot pump 80k years of radiation into him in 5 minutes......Kallark KOES him way before he even knows hes hit.....Or breaks his neck in nao-seconds because supes is not now nor will he ever be in kallarks fighting skill range....Just ask hyperion who is a better fighter than supes.

Originally posted by james2099
well surfer cannot pump 80k years of radiation into him in 5 minutes......Kallark KOES him way before he even knows hes hit.....Or breaks his neck in nao-seconds because supes is not now nor will he ever be in kallarks fighting skill range....Just ask hyperion who is a better fighter than supes.
Hyperion is a joke compared to superman,kallark breaks supes neck right your on crack,supes is faster than kallark,physically equal or superior,and more durable and is getting a sun amping.

Here are my points:

Gladiator

Pros:

Hasn't show upper limits to his confidence

Was noted by Vulcan to be untouchable

100 FTL at good confidence

Starts out at full confidence

Snapped Hyperion's neck with good confidence

Planet cracking feat.

Cons:

There is a limit to how confident one can become.

Doesn't get stronger/gets stronger as fast as Superman

Feats aren't good as Superman

Supposedly starts out at his limit.

Must beat Superman quickly

Hasn't proven he can

Superman

Pros:

Will get stronger quickly through Solar energy

Feats beat Gladiator

Gladiator must beat him quickly

Is constantly getting powerful

Cons:

Potentially has an inferior start.

Potentially will get incapacitated quickly.

He cannot waver Gladiators confidence.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hyperion is a joke compared to superman,kallark breaks supes neck right your on crack,supes is faster than kallark,physically equal or superior,and more durable and is getting a sun amping. WOW, Faster,more durable and equal or superior to gladiator?Hyperions a joke to superman?I would ask you to prove what you say but as it has done before.......You and other supes fans cannot prove it with scans but you sure can talk a good game....But just for fun show me where supes destroyed a planet with his fists or took and contained an explosion that destroys many planets and come out UNHARMED...Then show me where supes pushed a planet without help..When you give up trying to find something that has never happened on panel do me one last favor..... Show me a scan saying supes is moving anywhere near 100 times light speed.....If you bring up a point you must prove what you say..... GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND YOUR PROOF...P.S...YOU WONT.

Originally posted by james2099
WOW, Faster,more durable and equal or superior to gladiator?Hyperions a joke to superman?I would ask you to prove what you say but as it has done before.......You and other supes fans cannot prove it with scans but you sure can talk a good game....But just for fun show me where supes destroyed a planet with his fists or took and contained an explosion that destroys many planets and come out UNHARMED...Then show me where supes pushed a planet without help..When you give up trying to find something that has never happened on panel do me one last favor..... Show me a scan saying supes is moving anywhere near 100 times light speed.....If you bring up a point you must prove what you say..... GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND YOUR PROOF...P.S...YOU WONT.
Flew 2.3million lightyears in under a day(more like an hour likely),stands in black holes with no ill effects(more than a couple planets),supes doesnt go around destroying planets but he does push planets under red suns that are heavier than earth,he gets hit with 50x supernovas without problems,any more fail you wanna add to this thread?,try reading some superman comics.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Flew 2.3million lightyears in under a day(more like an hour likely),stands in black holes with no ill effects(more than a couple planets),supes doesnt go around destroying planets but he does push planets under red suns that are heavier than earth,he gets hit with 50x supernovas without problems,any more fail you wanna add to this thread?,try reading some superman comics. Current supes did all that???Idont think so.... First of all supes himself states he is not faster than light.....Other people have stated this also....Second...supes CANNOT push a moon let alone a planet,Thats also been proven....Third.....doomsday does not hit hard enough to destroy a planet but he busted supes up and plenty small explosions have KOED or left him on his face or ass.....You have proved nothing,All you do is say supes can do this or that but as always you have no proof....Go to supes respect thread and you will see that 99 percent of the things you say current supes has done is in fact prime,pre,one million,allstar supes or some other version of him.

Gladiator would take this.

1. There is no limit on the human imagination. This is how Glads is built. If he believes he can do something WHATEVER it may be...he can. Xavier can easily tell him nothing is impossible for him.

2. Superman can only go so far with his abilities. This is because although Surfer is feeding him, it wouldn't be enough to break Gladiator's confidence due to Xavier's interference and mind control.

So unless Surfer had more than like 10+ years of constant bombarding Superman with Solar radiation for him to store, Gladiator would be more powerful....and literally the only limit he could really face is the limit of his imagination. Whatever he faced, regardless of what it was...once he faced it, Xavier would give artifically and unnaturally him the confidence to believe he could overcome it....and then Gladiator would...doesnt matter what.

Gladiator wins this.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Gladiator would take this.

1. There is no limit on the human imagination. This is how Glads is built. If he believes he can do something WHATEVER it may be...he can. Xavier can easily tell him nothing is impossible for him.
Confidence.
Do you think Gladiator could beat Galactus?

Plus, Surfer just channeled the Crunch's energies after being smashed up. The question is not of how much solar energy Surfer can give him, but how much can Supes take... and sources say a f*cking lot.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Confidence.
Do you think Gladiator could beat Galactus?

Plus, Surfer just channeled the Crunch's energies after being smashed up. The question is not of how much solar energy Surfer can give him, but how much can Supes take... and sources say a f*cking lot.

Actually it comes down to how much solar radiation and how long it would actually take Superman to reach maximum absorbtion or in other words become "FULLY charged".

Whatever it takes for Superman to get there, Xavier forcing Gladiator to believe (in Glad's mind it would be KNOWING) he can overcome a fully charged Superman...HOWEVER regardless of how powerful Superman becomes, all that it takes for Gladiator to be even stronger is to have the confidence necessary to do so. Which is exactly what Xavier is capable of. This is what makes it unfair to Kent in every situation.

Superman's powers are physically based thus will always have limits...although very high ones.
Gladiator's abilities are confidence and faith based. If he truly is convinced that he can do something he will.

Thus, Imagination+Faith (Limitless) >>>>>Physical.


Regarding Galactus, in this scenario Xavier could cause Glads to stalemate Galactus indefinitely.
in comics, Gladiator's weakness has ironically been the very thing that is his source of strength. His confidence levels.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Confidence.
Do you think Gladiator could beat Galactus?

Plus, Surfer just channeled the Crunch's energies after being smashed up. The question is not of how much solar energy Surfer can give him, but how much can Supes take... and sources say a f*cking lot.

"Channeled"

Whenever I'm surfing across waves I'm going to go around saying I've "channeled the ocean"

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually it comes down to how much solar radiation and how long it would actually take Superman to reach maximum absorbtion or in other words become "FULLY charged".

Whatever it takes for Superman to get there, Xavier forcing Gladiator to believe (in Glad's mind it would be KNOWING) he can overcome a fully charged Superman...HOWEVER regardless of how powerful Superman becomes, all that it takes for Gladiator to be even stronger is to have the confidence necessary to do so. Which is exactly what Xavier is capable of. This is what makes it unfair to Kent in every situation.

Superman's powers are physically based thus will always have limits...although very high ones.
Gladiator's abilities are confidence and faith based. If he truly is convinced that he can do something he will.

Thus, Imagination+Faith (Limitless) >>>>>Physical.


Regarding Galactus, in this scenario Xavier could cause Glads to stalemate Galactus indefinitely.
in comics, Gladiator's weakness has ironically been the very thing that is his source of strength. His confidence levels.
As far as we know there is no maximum limit to supermans absorption hes been absorbing yellow sun radiation for over 80k years,and this is just comical right...gladiator can stalemate galactus and other people when hes feeling good.

Superman takes this to the bank.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
As far as we know there is no maximum limit to supermans absorption hes been absorbing yellow sun radiation for over 80k years,and this is just comical right...gladiator can stalemate galactus and other people when hes feeling good.


well...yeah pretty much sums it up.

As I said, the one thing that holds back Gladiator is his own personal confidence limit....what he feels he can't do - limits his abilities...and he does have confidence limits based on what he believes he is and isn't capable of.

With Xavier, the limits are opened up in this scenario.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
well...yeah pretty much sums it up.

As I said, the one thing that holds back Gladiator is his own personal confidence limit....what he feels he can't do limits his abilities.

With Xavier, the limits are opened up in this scenario.
And id love for you to actually show that...o wait you cant at all,superman destroys gladiator.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And id love for you to actually show that...o wait you cant at all,superman destroys gladiator.

lol Well thats the point of this thread. No one KNOWs how powerful Gladiator would if he were completely confident and truly felt he could do anything.....just as no one knows what a completely full Superman would be like on a powers and ability scale.

But I still say Imagination>Reality. and stand by that as the deciding factor here.

Superman would get pwned by Gladiator's belief. Xavier would always make him KNOW he could win, thus he would.

I know I wouldn't want to be in the universe in which this battle took place though...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Regarding Galactus, in this scenario Xavier could cause Glads to stalemate Galactus indefinitely.
in comics, Gladiator's weakness has ironically been the very thing that is his source of strength. His confidence levels. Heh?

Well, I guess that proves that it's worthless to debate with you on the subject...

Stalemate Galactus...

Originally posted by llagrok
"Channeled"

Whenever I'm surfing across waves I'm going to go around saying I've "channeled the ocean" Good for you.

Learn the definition of 'channeled' and get back to me. Kthnxbia

Supes wins.

Originally posted by batdude123
barker

Superman ftw.

*Blinks*