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Mr Sinister vs Classic Juggernaut


who wins?

Juggernaut effortlessly.

If juggy can beat him, why does Hulk have a hard time with him? If Sinister can get his helmet off then he wins....

Sinister ftw.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Sinister ftw.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos


TK >> Helmet

TP >> Juggernaut

Not to mention, since he can't physically be beaten down and all... ermm

Stalemate

Originally posted by golem370
Stalemate

Good evening. I will agree

they both have a healing factor of course but sinister is no where close to class 100 strength.

Sinister doesn't have TP

TF?

Juggs would fold his ass up and throw him in space.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Sinister doesn't have TP

TF?

Juggs would fold his ass up and throw him in space.

Yeah he does, and no he wont.

When has Sinister psibolted someone?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
When has Sinister psibolted someone?

Sinister has shown to be capable of such things as mind control, mentaly paralysing someone and projecting his own thoughts/reading other people's thoughts.

When? You talking about Inferno when he uses tech?

Oh, I think you got it from the erroneous wiki page. Either way Juggs still skips through anything Sinister can throw at him and slaps him into orbit or something.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Oh, I think you got it from the erroneous wiki page. Either way Juggs still skips through anything Sinister can throw at him and slaps him into orbit or something.

No, I didn't get my info from wiki...

How about scans:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/X-Factor039Page04.jpg
Sinister mentally shuts off Scott's powers

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/X-Factor039Page05.jpg
Sinster TP battles against PSYLOCKE, and talks about mentally battling her on the ASTRAL PLANE

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/X-Factor039Page06.jpg
Rogue touches him- So he mentally controls her

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/X-Factor039Page11.jpg
Talks about how he mentally prevented Scott from remembering things, and set up blocks that even XAVIER couldn't take down. Also mentions how he can mentally cause Scott pain

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/X-Factor039Page13.jpg
Says that Sinister has Cyclops under MIND CONTROL

Juggernaut spends 20 years making a horrible mess of Sinister's body and gives up.....or chucks his ass into space. Either one works.

Sinister can't do a damned thing to Jug.

Originally posted by long pig
Juggernaut spends 20 years making a horrible mess of Sinister's body and gives up.....or chucks his ass into space. Either one works.

Sinister can't do a damned thing to Jug.

TK+TP ftw...

TP+TK nullification powers/armor for the win.

First off, Sinister can't get that helmet off or even come close unless Jug wants him. Second, TK doesn't do anything to Jug. He can't be controlled by it, it walks through it.

Originally posted by long pig
TP+TK nullification powers/armor for the win.

First off, Sinister can't get that helmet off or even come close unless Jug wants him. Second, TK doesn't do anything to Jug. He can't be controlled by it, it walks through it.

I never thought that Sinister would be able to control Jug's motion via TK. I was unaware that the magical barrier prevented the use of TK. Obviously, if it does, then stalemate or BFR for Jugs

The barrier doesn't negate the TK, his power is what negates the TK. Jean grey tried to lift Jug up and keep him still and he simply walked through it....in air.

The magic forcefield that apparently prevents helmet removal has been shown like 2 or 3 times in Juggernaut's several decade history. About the same number of times telepathy has affected Juggernaut through the helmet. Helmet removal + psibolt.

Originally posted by long pig
The barrier doesn't negate the TK, his power is what negates the TK. Jean grey tried to lift Jug up and keep him still and he simply walked through it....in air.

Yeah, I know about the Jean Grey/Walking on air thing. Like I said, TK wouldn't be used to stop his motion. Only to get the helmet off, so as to attack him with TP

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The magic forcefield that apparently prevents helmet removal has been shown like 2 or 3 times in Juggernaut's several decade history. About the same number of times telepathy has affected Juggernaut through the helmet. Helmet removal + psibolt.
Bullshit...man... Bullshit!

Originally posted by Skeets
Bullshit...man... Bullshit! Hush, sweets. 313

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The magic forcefield that apparently prevents helmet removal has been shown like 2 or 3 times in Juggernaut's several decade history. About the same number of times telepathy has affected Juggernaut through the helmet. Helmet removal + psibolt.
More like 5 or six times, hell, his forward walking motion hasn't been shown more than 10 times, maybe less. Doesn't mean he doesn't have those powers, it means he's written badly.

Not to mention that the helmet is bolted on and Jug won't stand there for minutes at a time while Sinister tries to pry the helmet off unsuccessfully. One hand on the helmet, the other kicking ass.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hush, sweets. 313
Yes! mam.

Originally posted by long pig
More like 5 or six times, hell, his forward walking motion hasn't been shown more than 10 times, maybe less. Doesn't mean he doesn't have those powers, it means he's written badly.

Not to mention that the helmet is bolted on and Jug won't stand there for minutes at a time while Sinister tries to pry the helmet off unsuccessfully. One hand on the helmet, the other kicking ass. It's sun-laser territory. Yet it's pretty much always one of the first things brought up in a Juggernaut thread. Paraphrasing old post.Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There are something like 5 instances of a forcefield, which people say prevents his helmet from being knocked off. There are like a bajillion instances of it being knocked off.

There are 4, or apparently 5 according to Newjak (who apparently knows one I don't), instances where telepathy affects him through his helmet - including his first appearance where Xavier still manages to jolt him. There are many more where it doesn't do squat.

Therefore:
...... knocks off the helmet and uses telepathy.

Alternatively if people want to say the helmet can't be knocked off due to the elusive forcefield, then ....... uses telepathy through the forcefield - since the latter has happened about the same amount of times.

Juggernaut vs Telepathy and Telekinesis

Good and Bad showings for the Juggernaut below in terms of Psionic Combat His helmet is on in all the following occurrences:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1861/ucxm01303um7.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5624/ucxm01316fo8.th.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1097/uncannyxmen21813io7.th.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7295/xunlimitedv104415roughepd6.th.jpghttp://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6140/xunlimitedv10441617rougjx4.th.jpghttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6307/xunlimitedv104418roughezp5.th.jpg

Juggernaut vs Telepathy and Telekinesis

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7594/xmen103217ma2.th.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3852/xmen104611kk8.th.jpghttp://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1776/xmen104612qi6.th.jpghttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3461/xmen104613vn8.th.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5299/xm5311nh9.th.jpghttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8783/xm5312hq8.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's sun-laser territory. Yet it's pretty much always one of the first things brought up in a Juggernaut thread. Paraphrasing old post. Honestly though X I wouldn't count jolts as him being effected by the TP. It just means that his helmet kind of took the force and knocked it back his mind was unaffected. Heck most TP is shown as some kind of force being thrown out

I would only count the times when his mind was actually effected by TP through the helmet.

I KNEW you were referencing him using tech in Inferno in Sinister's lab as seen and explained when he trapped Madelyne Prior.


BTW

Juggernaut flattens Sinister 10/10xs. Aint a damn thing he could do to him. And even in your scans or any Sinister arc you'll never here anyone, including Sinister himself, reference Sinister as a telepath


I wonder why?

BTW you know what my favorite part of your scans were?

Psylocke admitting the only reason Sinister was so resistant to her powers being


"He knows us and studied us........he seems to be impervious to our powers and able to counter attack in every way (Stacks adds "while he's in his lab with all of his tech that has been said able to nullify and control mutants!""

Juggernaut wins or its BFR.

Just to expand on whats wrong with you scans...
The scans with sammy, that was from his depowered faze in which his armor didn't prevent mind attacks. It doesn't to date as a matter of fact.

In neither one of the scans where it did penetrate did the writer right that it made him impervious to mental attacks. Some write it as dulling mental attacks. Marvel officially recognizes it as makeing him impervious to mental harm however.

The Helmet is magically summoned before his depowering not bolted down. So the TK really wont work.

Just a few thoughts.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
Juggernaut wins or its BFR.

In neither one of the scans where it did penetrate did the writer right that it made him impervious to mental attacks. Some write it as dulling mental attacks. Marvel officially recognizes it as makeing him impervious to mental harm however.

The Helmet is magically summoned before his depowering not bolted down. So the TK really wont work.


I agree that Juggernaut wins this.

I also agree that his classic version was eventually made to where the helmet blocks mental attacks.

On this last one though, Juggernaut did bolt and/or weld his helmet on sometimes to make it harder to get off. That is why Thor busted it open in their second fight.

So, Juggernaut's helmet could be magically sealed, bolted on, and welded on at the same time.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
Juggernaut wins or its BFR.

Just to expand on whats wrong with you scans...
The scans with sammy, that was from his depowered faze in which his armor didn't prevent mind attacks. It doesn't to date as a matter of fact.

In neither one of the scans where it did penetrate did the writer right that it made him impervious to mental attacks. Some write it as dulling mental attacks. Marvel officially recognizes it as makeing him impervious to mental harm however.

The Helmet is magically summoned before his depowering not bolted down. So the TK really wont work.

Just a few thoughts.

Umm...according to Cain in that very same Sammy the Squid boy scan his helmet still SHOULD have protected him against mental attacks. Regardless of that scan the other 4 incidents are in fact all Classic Juggernaut.

In his first appearance the scan where Xavier causes him to fumble with a Mental Bolt, the narrative text actually states that he's supposed to be protected from all mental attacks. In the other scans Juggernaut is surprised and actually makes reference to the fact that the telepaths can bypass his helmet. So in that case your point is moot because it shows that the writers are aware of his so called telepathic "immunity".

Umm Classic Juggernaut(In his early appearances):

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen103217ma2.jpg

The helmet has been removed on a numerous amount of occasions while he was Classic Juggernaut. It's been removed by physical means and he's never had the time to summon it back. So in actual fact the TK method should work, however Juggernauts magical shield has been shown to prevent TK from doing this. Which would make the task harder. But with Mr. Sinister Durability it's not impossible.

What have we learnt? Juggernauts helmet is not 100% TP proof. Heck it wasn't even TP proof in his first appearance.

And just to clarify Mr Sinister is a Telepath and Telekinetic:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1678/allnewofficialhandbookodj2.th.jpghttp://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8023/allnewofficialhandbookozi0.th.jpghttp://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6512/allnewofficialhandbookoxc0.th.jpg

In any event I'm inclined to side with Mr. Sinister on this one. He has the powerset to stop the Juggernaut. I'm surprised at the lack of respect he gets on KMC...his track record his way better then Jobberlypse.

"Granted himself powers" Ala him being in his lab using his tech to replicate said attacks.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
"Granted himself powers" Ala him being in his lab using his tech to replicate said attacks.

Granted himself powers using genetic material from other mutants. What's your point exactly? It's not machinery, he replicated the powers of other mutants permanently via genetic means.

My point is he hasn't. Hence him only being able to mindcontrol someone when there's high level tech around.


like here

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8661/yobarberwt3.jpg


When was the last time Sinister has ever psibolted or took on another telepath

Or was even referred to as one in a comic?

And why does he always need some sort of mechanism, drug or a deal to put psi's or anyone under his control?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
My point is he hasn't. Hence him only being able to mindcontrol someone when there's high level tech around.


like here

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8661/yobarberwt3.jpg


When was the last time Sinister has ever psibolted or took on another telepath

Or was even referred to as one in a comic?

And why does he always need some sort of mechanism, drug or a deal to put psi's or anyone under his control?


He's using the tech to turn the energies of a Pyor harbouring a fragment of the PF back on her leaving her in a vulnerable state. No where in that scan does it say the tech is the cause of his Psi-Bolt. The Bio clarifies the fact that his powers are derived from his genetic experiments on mutants.
He granted himself Telepathy and Telekinesis the same way he granted himself Molecular Control over his body and teleportation. It's not tech.

An example of TK:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4192/colossusbloodline313fq3.th.jpghttp://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8616/colossusbloodline314po2.th.jpg

An example of TP:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8236/uxm243pg08zc2.th.jpghttp://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4160/uxm243pg09ee7.th.jpghttp://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3050/uxm243pg10my7.th.jpg

I'd also like to reiterate the fact that his new bio(OHOTMU 2006 #7) that came out at the end of last year states that he gave himself Telepathy, Telekinesis, Complete Molecular Control over his body, Superhuman Strength and the ability to Teleport via genetic means.

Another scan where he's in a lab using tech to replicate effects, awesome.

Cain 10/10

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Another scan where he's in a lab using tech to replicate effects, awesome.

Yeahbutwhat?

You're telling me Sinister's Lab is in Xavier's Office?

Mister Sinister's Location = Xavier's Office
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/908/uxm243pg12ik9.th.jpg

X-Men's Location = On top of the Empire State Building.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3550/uxm243pg02mc9.th.jpg

The fight takes place on the Astral Plane...(See previous page for scans)

And just incase you were referring to the TK scan then please point me in the direction of this High Level Tech you seem to be so fond of?

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4192/colossusbloodline313fq3.th.jpghttp://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8616/colossusbloodline314po2.th.jpg

Cain has fought through tp before.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Cain has fought through tp before.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg Eigth Day...

Also, you just showed a scan of him getting affected through his helmet...

I ignored the TK one because I never said he didn't have Teke oh and what does him in X's office or on the Emp building have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
I ignored the TK one because I never said he didn't have Teke oh and what does him in X's office or on the Emp building have to do with anything? That he isn't using his lab to replicate the feats?

what feats? him having complete control over Pryor which was stated as tech?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
what feats? him having complete control over Pryor which was stated as tech? No, when he was erasing memories from Jean's mind, and everyone went into her mind, and he was fighting them... then Jeanix overan him...

From Xavier's office...

Seemed like some TP to me...

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Cain has fought through tp before.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9318/jug8thdayp318bm.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7954/jug8thdayp328ck.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/72/jug8thdayp332kl.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7686/jug8thdayp363ld.jpg

That is one type of Telepathic Attack i.e. Mind Control. Not to mention it was 8th day Juggernaut. In all of the previous scans it's a mind bolt, psi-fry or Psylockes infamous psychoblaster. In the scans above Bedlam fries Cain and Carnivores' mind managing to knock Carnivores out. Then the caption says she tries to increase her "Mental Hold" on her fellow exemplars. The way I interpret that is Mind Control which is a battle of wills. Another reason why I believe it's mind control is because of Stonecutters response on the next page. "Wha...Bedlam...have you...?" In the next scan we Juggernaut break free from Bedlams Mind Control and attack Stonecutter. Had she just blasted Juggs with a mental blast like Psylocke, Jean and Xavier she would have actually harmed him. Then the battle continues...as far as the captions say. Bedlams mental attacks didn't work because their wills were too strong. But as far as I know blasting someone with mental energy was never a battle wills. So whatever type of telepathy Bedlam was using it was something involving the battle of wills.

Telepathy isn't as one dimensional as people make it out to be. Mind Control is the battle of wills. Frying someones mind with mental energy is not. It's just a blast of mental energy. And Cain has been shown to be susceptible to this type of telepathy.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
I ignored the TK one because I never said he didn't have Teke oh and what does him in X's office or on the Emp building have to do with anything?

Sinister is in Xaviers office when the Astral Fight takes place. Not in his lab. The X-Men aren't in his lab either they're on the top of the Empire state building.

This fight occurs on the Psychic Plane:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8236/uxm243pg08zc2.th.jpghttp://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4160/uxm243pg09ee7.th.jpghttp://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3050/uxm243pg10my7.th.jpg

Which he had implanted and controlled earlier through tech. Notice how nobody ever referneces him as a telepath or calls his means of control telepathy.

And Magneto was able project an astral form and I'd hardly call him a telepath.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Which he had implanted and controlled earlier through tech. Notice how nobody ever referneces him as a telepath or calls his means of control telepathy.

And Magneto was able project an astral form and I'd hardly call him a telepath. Notice how only telepaths can affect him...
Or do anything...

Also, earlier, he was erasing memories...

With tech oh and btw Psylocke stated all their (telepathic) attacks on him were useless and the only reason why he eventually lost is because Cyke stopped pussyfooting around and hit him with a optic blast which at the time was the only way you could beat him.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Which he had implanted and controlled earlier through tech. Notice how nobody ever referneces him as a telepath or calls his means of control telepathy.

And Magneto was able project an astral form and I'd hardly call him a telepath.

Magneto has numerous feats of Telepathy Probing inclusive. And Xavier has said Magneto has latent telepathy. Mags has also pwned Jean Grey. I suggest you take a look at his respect thread. The Handbook refers to Sinister as a telepath.
Mr Sinister was in Xaviers office, he had no tech with him. He pwned Psylocke a Telepath on the Astral Plane.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
With tech oh and btw Psylocke stated all their (telepathic) attacks on him were useless and the only reason why he lost is because Cyke stopped pussyfooting around and hit him with a optic blast which at the time was the only way you could beat him. He was in Xavier's office...

Also, the way he got beat in mind aspect, was when Jeanix got mad, and overan him from her mind...

Also, he was erasing her memories if I haven't already said it a couple of times...

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Notice how nobody ever references him as a telepath or calls his means of control telepathy.

Notices how nobody references Sinister of having superhuman strength, despite the fact that he slapped Strong Guy like nothing?

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t139305_stronggyu.jpg http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/t139304_pt2.jpg

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
And Magneto was able project an astral form and I'd hardly call him a telepath.

But that's what you can do when you're the master of magnetism. ermm

Handbooks are often erronuous as in this case where you can't provide a scan showing Sinister using or being referenced as a telepath.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Handbooks are often erronuous as in this case where you can't provide a scan showing Sinister using or being referenced as a telepath.

I just did.

Sinister pwned Psylocke on the Astral Plane while he was all the way in Xaviers Office. Not to mention his remark to Storm.

I suggest you read the scans again.

Your opinion and vast speculation with absolutely no comic proof is full of errors.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Handbooks are often erronuous as in this case where you can't provide a scan showing Sinister using or being referenced as a telepath. omg_smilie

You showed him projecting an astral form and being immune to TP. Good job. And the only person is speculating is the one who can't show Sinister being referenced or called a telepath.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
You showed him projecting an astral form and being immune to TP. Good job. And the only person is speculating is the one who can't show Sinister being referenced or called a telepath.

I showed him psychically overpowering Psylocke on the Astral Plane.
The Handbook is my reference. His remark to Storm could possibly count as a comic reference.

His remark that no where says he has telepathy or is a telepath that is and you showed that he does his homework and is immune to the mutant powers of the X-Men, great job.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
His remark that no where says he has telepathy or is a telepath that is and you showed

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8236/uxm243pg08zc2.jpg

"This is the psychic plane you silly women...where your purely physical powers are less then useless". "Reshaping you in my Psychic image...etc".

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4160/uxm243pg09ee7.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3050/uxm243pg10my7.jpg

Pwning Psylocke on the Astral Plane. From Xaviers office.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6512/allnewofficialhandbookoxc0.jpg

"Using genetic material from other mutants he, has granted himself many additional powers such as telepathy."

So in your mind all that means he doesn't have telepathy. Okay...got it . There's absolutely no need to continue this conversation.

Chocolate Fudge.

BTW You might want to take a look at this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/443814_1-differentiating-between-pis-and-idli-itdh

Now that I remember it that fight took place in Jean's subconscious and that astral Sinister was a defense mechanism to keep the X-Men from overriding the program. Thanks for having me re-read the storyline

jerk.

PS


http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7645/yobarberus4.jpg


I wonder why Sinister had to blow away the fortress rather then telepathically blocking or hiding the info from Polaris's head? Could it be he's not the telepath that everyone in the Marvel Universe knows he isn't? Nah, I'll just go with his never referenced and only one story arc "use" for the thousand Alex.

And Polaris is mighty disrespectful for someone under his "telepathic" control

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Now that I remember it that fight took place in Jean's subconscious and that astral Sinister was a defense mechanism to keep the X-Men from overriding the program. Thanks for having me re-read the storyline

jerk.

PS


http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7645/yobarberus4.jpg


I wonder why Sinister had to blow away the fortress rather then telepathically blocking or hiding the info from Polaris's head? Could it be he's not the telepath that everyone in the Marvel Universe knows he isn't? Nah, I'll just go with his never referenced and only one story arc "use" for the thousand Alex.

And Polaris is mighty disrespectful for someone under his "telepathic" control

Yes because in the very same issue he accesses the Astral Plane, Erases memories and prevent Psylocke from leaving the Astral Plane.
He didn't because he didn't want to take the risk Psylocke finding even the slightest bit of information about him. He'd have to face Psylocke if he did it telepathically.
Also notice how she said "You could have warned me". How do you think he was going to warn her when he wasn't even in the room.

Sinister Astral Projected into Jeans mind all the way from Xaviers office. There is no tech mentioned in the issue. And the Handbook clarifies this use of telepathy.

He obliterates Jeans memories. And prevents Psylocke from leaving the Astral Plane. Also notice how all the telepaths are coloured in while all the non-telepaths are not.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3116/uxm243pg04cy0.th.jpghttp://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6370/uxm243pg07ka7.th.jpg

Sinisters thoughts are hidden from Psylockes:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5522/uxm243pg12sj7.th.jpg

If you read the arc you'll know that Polaris is not under Sinisters control. She's under Malices control. That's Malice being disrespectful to Sinister.

Marvel seem to think he's a telepath since he has his own bio dedicated to it.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Another scan where he's in a lab using tech to replicate effects, awesome.

Oh, for gods sake.

YES, Sinister GRANTED himself TELEPATHY AND TELEKINISIS via TECH.

Does he need tech TO USE IT?

NO.

Numerous scans have been provided showing Sinister as both a telepath and a telekinetic.

It never says that he NEEDS the tech to be able to use it.

He granted himself the power. Using tech, he permanently changed the structure of his DNA. He gave himself powers. Now he can use them wherever he likes.

Also, with flight, teleportation, and complete molecular control, I doubt Juggs is touching Sinister, much less BFRing him.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Oh, for gods sake. My sentiments exactly. Someone needs to stfu, and it isn't you, ExodusCloak, bigbran, Evil_Ash nor I.

Another one just for fun.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7555/uncannyxmen322large17jt5.th.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My sentiments exactly. Someone needs to stfu, and it isn't you, ExodusCloak, bigbran, Evil_Ash nor I.

Another one just for fun.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7555/uncannyxmen322large17jt5.th.jpg By the way X that is in the onslaught saga isn't it and she even mentions he is weak and even then she needs to huury

Just to add some closure to this mind wrecking discussion.

More On Panel proof that Mr. Sinister is in fact a telepath:
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020022yu2.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205003lk3.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205015th0.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen204dcp0009qe0.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen204dcp0010wu8.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmanxforce0003jv5.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmansinister0004qy4.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmansinister0005kz3.jpg

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Just to add some closure to this mind wrecking discussion.

More On Panel proof that Mr. Sinister is in fact a telepath:
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020022yu2.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205003lk3.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205015th0.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen204dcp0009qe0.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen204dcp0010wu8.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmanxforce0003jv5.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmansinister0004qy4.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmansinister0005kz3.jpg Doesn't really matter Cain wins.

Why because in reality him at his best is far better than Sinister at his best. Including TK, and TP.


Mostly because of his shield, and the fact he can toss Sinister into space. Even Sinister, despite his genetic advancements, can not fly.

Originally posted by Newjak
Doesn't really matter Cain wins.

Why because in reality him at his best is far better than Sinister at his best. Including TK, and TP.


Mostly because of his shield, and the fact he can toss Sinister into space. Even Sinister, despite his genetic advancements, can not fly.

Didn't bump this thread to comment on the fight. Just on Sinisters abilities. Looking back at the discussion on whether Sinister does or does not possess telepathy seems pretty retarded. I wonder I why any of us(X, Smurph, BAsh) wasted our time.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Didn't bump this thread to comment on the fight. Just on Sinisters abilities. Looking back at the discussion on whether Sinister does or does not possess telepathy seems pretty retarded. I wonder I why any of us(X, Smurph, BAsh) wasted our time. Because you are fools

Regarding Bedlam. My best guess is that she was empowered with the ability to psy Juggs through his helmet. The point of these exemplars is that they duke it out until there is one clear winner. The winner is suppose to prove which of the deities that empowered them is the most powerful. Her deity would no doubt know of Juggs helmet and have a way to counter it.

Regarding Sinister. I will agree that he is indeed a psychic. But, I very much doubt his psy-power is strong enough to go through Juggs' helmet. Anyone who chooses to fight the Juggernaut can only really survive the encounter. Outside BFR, Sinister loses.

I'm almost certain Apoc said on-panel that he gave Sinister TP and other powers.

He gave Sinister his freaking powers, he would know.

Classic Stacks douchebaggery in this thread.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Handbooks are often erronuous. Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Comics and handbook generally go hand in hand Lulz.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lulz. Why if it isn't my Nemesis X uhuh

X, you should compete in Red's tourney.

Papa Smurf, you too.

Originally posted by Newjak
Why if it isn't my Nemesis X uhuh You fear me because you know it's my destiny to defeat you and take your throne. peaches

And club you and eat your bones.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You fear me because you know it's my destiny to defeat you and take your throne. peaches

And club you and eat your bones. I wouldn't call it fear so much as excitement vin

Besides no reps the Juggernaut like me jugdurnaut

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lulz.

I wonder what happened between March 13th, 2007 01:04 AM and January 28th, 2008 08:40 PM? It must have been some sort of divine intervention.
Meh...need to go bang my head of a wall after reading this thread again.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Didn't bump this thread to comment on the fight. Just on Sinisters abilities. Looking back at the discussion on whether Sinister does or does not possess telepathy seems pretty retarded. I wonder I why any of us(X, Smurph, BAsh) wasted our time.

Yikes forgot to add bigbran to that list. Oops.

We all know Sinister is a telepath, but I like to add...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/sinistercard22.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm almost certain Apoc said on-panel that he gave Sinister TP and other powers.

Are you talking about Further Adventures of Phoenix and Cyclops? Apocalypse doesn't mention his powers at all. Handbooks state that he acquired his other powers from the genetic material of mutants. His superhuman durability and longevity were the only abilities granted by Apocalypse.

Although, in Further Adventures of Phoenix and Cyclops #4, I do think Sinister displayed some minor telekinesis against Cyclops...

This is a terrible fight.
No matter what anybody says, Sinister wouldn't even have a chance.
Not a chance.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This is a terrible fight.
No matter what anybody says, Sinister wouldn't even have a chance.
Not a chance.

dontgetit

Originally posted by Horrificus
This is a terrible fight.
No matter what anybody says, Sinister wouldn't even have a chance.
Not a chance.

Juggs:" Where's fishboy when I need him"?

Already been done:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=444602&highlight=juggernaut+sinister

opps

Cain Marko

Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Juggernaut.

runs away when sinister looks at him with those bedroom eyes of his...

That's plausible. Those bedroom eyes could scare anyone.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That's plausible. Those bedroom eyes could scare anyone.

aye... poor cain...

juggs

Jugs gets punished.