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Multiple Man may be the most powerful mutant on the planet.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Multiple Man may be the most powerful mutant on the planet.


How? either way he ain't beating Cain

Xavier seemed to think a lot of him during one of those X-men sagas in a tunnel or something. Can't remember the scene but when Charels deferes to someone...well that don't happen to often.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Xavier seemed to think a lot of him during one of those X-men sagas in a tunnel or something. Can't remember the scene but when Charels deferes to someone...well that don't happen to often. Actually it happens a lot.

Xavier usually makes a number of references to how powerful different Mutants and their abilities are.


Either way Juggernaut wins because eventually Maddox will run out of juice or Cain wises up and just throws all of the them into space.

This is just like the Hulk thread.

Multiple Man can make as many as he wants but he ain't doing **** to Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
This is just like the Hulk thread.

Multiple Man can make as many as he wants but he ain't doing **** to Juggernaut.

Could Multiple Man make so many Men that, if all rolled in a large ball of men, that even the juggernaut could not push the ball of men?

Originally posted by Evangel94
Could Multiple Man make so many Men that, if all rolled in a large ball of men, that even the juggernaut could not push the ball of men? You could have a hundred Ben Grimm's and Juggernaut would still probably win. Thousands of Madrox's with regular stats won't do anything.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
You could have a hundred Ben Grimm's and Juggernaut would still probably win. Thousands of Madrox's with regular stats won't do anything.

Really depends on how much power Cytorak gives Juggernaut. World War Hulk was able to match Juggernaut no? How many kindergarten children would you be able to fight off before they overwhelm and tire you? 100? 1000?

Even a large swarm of mutated cockroaches was able to overpower the Hulk story "Incredible Hulk: The End."

Don't get me wrong, this is all speculation on my part. But if Multiple Man doesn't run out of juice or if he has no limit, then ...

cain should win

Originally posted by Evangel94
Really depends on how much power Cytorak gives Juggernaut. World War Hulk was able to match Juggernaut no? How many kindergarten children would you be able to fight off before they overwhelm and tire you? 100? 1000? Depends because I'm only 14 years old. Also you have to look at me having sympathy for the children. Juggernaut won't have that same emotion.

Juggernaut is up there with DC character's strength and durability.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Could Multiple Man make so many Men that, if all rolled in a large ball of men, that even the juggernaut could not push the ball of men?

He would die first.

This battle would look like a bowling ball hitting pins at a bowling alley

Even if there were 1,000 copies of Multiple Man Juggs would just T-Clap them all to sleep.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Even if there were 1,000 copies of Multiple Man Juggs would just T-Clap them all to sleep. Yea and simply put one shot them.

The difference between hulk and jugs is that juggs has unlimited stamina, so the number could be in the thousands but it wont matter.

I mean if you have thousands of guys coming up with a plan to defeat juggernaut, something can most definitely happen. Spiderman just by himself encased Juggernaut in concrete for months I believe.

Couldn't they just do something similar? Win via BFR or win via immobilization? It's not like Juggernaut is the smartest guy in the world...

Originally posted by johnv89
The difference between hulk and jugs is that juggs has unlimited stamina, so the number could be in the thousands but it wont matter.
rofl,

juggernaut has definitely limited (and far far far lower than Hulk) stamina and durability.
he got completely pawned by Onslaught and beat to a pulp by WarHulk too. Hulk on the other hand took on and went toe-to-toe with Onslaught, who could not beat him.


don't try to elucidate the differences if you haven't read the characters.

Hulk does not fatigue or tire, he has no physical need to rest.
that's been stated and demonstrated often enough.
and his endurance/stamina/reflexes etc are all pegged to his exponentially increasing (unlimited, infinite in potential) strength.

Originally posted by janus77
rofl,

juggernaut has definitely limited (and far far far lower than Hulk) stamina and durability.
he got completely pawned by Onslaught and beat to a pulp by WarHulk too. Hulk on the other hand took on and went toe-to-toe with Onslaught, who could not beat him.


don't try to elucidate the differences if you haven't read the characters.

Hulk does not fatigue or tire, he has no physical need to rest.
that's been stated and demonstrated often enough.
and his endurance/stamina/reflexes etc are all pegged to his exponentially increasing (unlimited, infinite in potential) strength.

Actually I'm pretty sure that it was stated that Onslaught already expelled most of his energy pwning the heroes at the beginning of the crossover. He was drained by the end of the crossover.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually I'm pretty sure that it was stated that Onslaught already expelled most of his energy pwning the heroes at the beginning of the crossover. He was drained by the end of the crossover.
got any scans?
as far as I recall, they weren't making much of any headway.
Onslaught only faced a proper confrontation when Hulk started to brawl with him. and then Onslaught's preening arrogance got Hulk really angry and resulted in Onslaught's armour getting smashed to bits.

and this was Onslaught with both Franklin and Nate, iirc. after he'd created the reality warping castle in which he dwelt.

Originally posted by janus77
got any scans?
as far as I recall, they weren't making much of any headway.
Onslaught only faced a proper confrontation when Hulk started to brawl with him. and then Onslaught's preening arrogance got Hulk really angry and resulted in Onslaught's armour getting smashed to bits.

and this was Onslaught with both Franklin and Nate, iirc. after he'd created the reality warping castle in which he dwelt.

Took a while to find this, knew it was somewhere at the end of the crossover just didn't know which issue. This is after Onslaught got his hands on X-Man and Franklin(Incredible Hulk #445) and created the Citadel.

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Though actually now that I read through it again, I'm not sure if Onslaught is actually weaker or if he just mind rapes the Hulk again. Or he's both weaker and mind rapes the hulk.

lol, that's all going on in Prof. Hulk's mind, whilst he's digging the group towards the Citadel.

Prof. Hulk had issues about his perceived weakness, his brutishness etc.. and he was fantasising about how he'd eventually prove to be the "Strongest One There Is" (out do his Savage Hulk persona).

read the +actual+ events, from the conclusion of the Onslaught Saga cross-over, where everybody +fails+ to harm Onslaught, except Hulk (Prof. even admits he can't do it, so he gets Phoenix to switch off Banner) in his mindless state (ie a really angry Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by janus77
lol, that's all going on in Prof. Hulk's mind, whilst he's digging the group towards the Citadel.

Prof. Hulk had issues about his perceived weakness, his brutishness etc.. and he was fantasising about how he'd eventually prove to be the "Strongest One There Is" (out do his Savage Hulk persona).

read the +actual+ events, from the conclusion of the Onslaught Saga cross-over, where everybody +fails+ to harm Onslaught, except Hulk (Prof. even admits he can't do it, so he gets Phoenix to switch off Banner) in his mindless state (ie a really angry Savage Hulk.

Onslaughts had his armour physically damaged before.

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And it was heavily implied that Onslaught wanted his armour destroyed as he was evolving past physical boundaries.

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Noez Huc beat Onslut cuze he iz number 1!!!!!

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Onslaughts had his armour physically damaged before.

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And it was heavily implied that Onslaught wanted his armour destroyed as he was evolving past physical boundaries.

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that was against a lesser Onslaught. the one they all failed to even harm was the one with Nate + Franklin's powers.

as to the "Onslaught wanted his armour destroyed" argument, Onslaught never said that. he never implied nor stated that he wanted Hulk to smash his armour.

Onslaught merely stated that he was 'now reality', after being smashed.

and, unlike when he had physical form, he ended up more vulnerable in his 'thought-form' because all the heroes combined could absorb Onslaught.

Originally posted by janus77
that was against a lesser Onslaught. the one they all failed to even harm was the one with Nate + Franklin's powers.

as to the "Onslaught wanted his armour destroyed" argument, Onslaught never said that and in fact he was angry at the fact that Hulk managed to pummel his physical form (his own words).

Where was it stated that this "lesser" Onslaughts armour was weaker then the armour of Onslaughts second last form?

I'm under the impression that he was referring to the entire crossover where ALL the heroes tried to bludgeon him into submission. He easily disposed of the Hulk once he was freed from his armour. There's nothing that even hints that he was angry the second time his armour was broken.

If you were refering to the first time though he seemed pretty angry.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'm under the impression that he was referring to the entire crossover where ALL the heroes tried to bludgeon him into submission. He easily disposed of the Hulk once he was freed from his armour. There's nothing that even hints that he was angry the second time his armour was broken.

If you were refering to the first time though he seemed pretty angry.
mixed up a couple of thoughts, edited my post.

Onslaught didn't beat down Hulk after going into his energy form. it seemed that Onslaught's physical demise caused the split of Banner and Hulk (both alive) and the Pocket Universe (created from Franklin's mind) to come into existence within the same space as Onslaught's energy form... thus the heroes going into the pocket universe as well as absorbing the energies of Onslaught in one process.

Originally posted by janus77
mixed up a couple of thoughts, edited my post.

Onslaught didn't beat down Hulk after going into his energy form. it seemed that Onslaught's physical demise caused the split of Banner and Hulk (both alive) and the Pocket Universe (created from Franklin's mind) to come into existence within the same space as Onslaught's energy form... thus the heroes going into the pocket universe as well as absorbing the energies of Onslaught in one process.

The Hulk and Banner were knocked on their asses weren't they? The Hulk was out of the fight. Banner may have but the Hulk didn't even get up to go and help the rest of the heroes to absorb the energies of Onslaught. He was lying there KO'd.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Hulk and Banner were knocked on their asses weren't they? The Hulk was out of the fight. Banner may have but the Hulk didn't even get up to go and help the rest of the heroes to absorb the energies of Onslaught. He was lying there KO'd.
and Onslaught was physically pummelled wasn't he? according to himself too.

we don't know how the Banner/Hulk separation occured, what we know is that it occured along with the energy-form of Onslaught and the Pocket Universe. so it could have been the result of the release of all that energy (Franklin's creation of the Pocket Universe) along with Onslaught's physical breakdown.

anyway, that is speculation with a definite bias, and that is all I wanted to point out.

oh and I wasn't saying that Hulk wasn't KO'd as a result of the fight, just that it +wasn't+ Onslaught's doing (at least not his energy-form), because we have no proof of it.

also, it was shortly after this that Banner-less Hulk was running around with uncontrollable extra-dimensional energies pouring out of him, like World Breaker Hulk (only on a far smaller scale).

Originally posted by janus77
and Onslaught was physically pummelled wasn't he? according to himself too.

He said he can no longer be bludgeoned into submission which he was by ALL the heroes throughout their encounters during the Onslaught crossover.(Eg...Joseph, Cable, Rogue + Vision, Thor, Cyclops, IW and the Hulk)
Reed definitely implies that the change was intentional. He was slowly assimilating the powers of Nate and Franklin until he reached this point of evolution.
The machine that Reed built was supposed to hinder Onslaughts Psi-Storms.



In that case. There's also nothing that suggests that the armour got physically stronger after he expunged Xavier. All that was shown was that Franklin and Nates powers could turn thought into reality. In the final battle Onslaught hid behind a forcefield for a large part of the battle until it was brought down by the heroes. That's when Hulk and Rogue/Vision stepped in.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Multiple Man may be the most powerful mutant on the planet.

Well we all remember when Juggernaut was about to die and got saved by fishboy...so...where there's a will theres a way

Matter of fact that should be the term Multiple Man coins.