Captain America vs Superman

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Phantom Zone
Captain America vs Superman. Cap gets:

A flight ring. (assume he is fully proficent at flying)
Celestial Madonnas H2H skill and powers but not full powers
A motherbox.
His shield (of course)

Can Cap win?

h1a8
The motherbox better act before Superman thinks and moves. Otherwise Cap doesn't have a chance.

Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

Master-Borg
the only time I saw motherbox in action was when Superman used it against HP Doomsday


it was a piece of useless sh1t

Superman wins 10/10

pr1983
Originally posted by Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

got to agree here (well, bar the language)

point of this thread?

Decimus
Originally posted by pr1983
got to agree here (well, bar the language)

point of this thread?

the point is to kill cap dead shifty

spidey-dude
SPITE !

Ha-Son
Originally posted by Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

pr1983
sorry pz, but, closeded...

pr1983
reopened out of curiosity...

Dark-Jaxx
Superman wins. erm

Phantom Zone
The only thing im not too sure about is the amount of physical damage CM can take. I know she has had no problem KOing really powerrful beings though. Anyway i'll go about setting up a case.

Anyway........

1. He can deal with aerial combat due to his flight ring and im giving it FTL speed and he has the ability to use it adeptly.

2. I dont see him having any porblems deal with Supermans H2H skill if he can do this.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5762/silversurfer198700421jg3.jpg

3. Will not have trouble KOing Superman when he is capable of doing this.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3958/avengers11416qg7.jpg

and KOing a being that can do this.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1555/avengersv112416ln7.jpg


Ok in all fairness she was not able to KO him but was able to find out its weakness, but Cap has an indestructible weapon and a motherbox that could create weapons.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3733/avengersv112417im5.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8001/avengersv112418gh8.jpg

The motherbox gives offence capabilties. Here it gives Superman a sonic gun.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg


Here it gives Superman a HF

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg

It could be argued that the mb could give Cap defence against cold breath and blunt force trauma.

Oh yeah and he can resist Supermans T-Vo because...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9366/defenders00913gc6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/393/defenders00914av3.jpg

spidey-dude
SPITE !

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by spidey-dude
SPITE !

Could you at least like at the scans. *groan*

spidey-dude
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Could you at least like at the scans. *groan* ok nice scans and all that but still WTF is cap gonna do to supes solo ?

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by spidey-dude
ok nice scans and all that but still WTF is cap gonna do to supes solo ?

Didnt I explain that already with the scans. *shrug*

Phantom Zone
I also dont think that Superman can heal from wounds this bad.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

Phantom Zone
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Sado22
superman steps on him
*swat*
captain american dead

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sado22
superman steps on him
*swat*
captain american dead

This isnt standard Captain America......

Galan007
Cap looses horribly. crackers

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Galan007
Cap looses horribly. crackers

I dunno what to say really I did a post which showed ways in which he could win. *shrug* Thats not a response.

Battlehammer
coudent superman simply beat capt before capt knows what happen......

Sado22
or f--k him for that matter big grin

SmurphSmash!
Originally posted by Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

spidey-dude
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I also dont think that Superman can heal from wounds this bad.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg neither can cap

Phantom Zone
*sigh*

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only thing im not too sure about is the amount of physical damage CM can take. I know she has had no problem KOing really powerrful beings though. Anyway i'll go about setting up a case.

Anyway........

1. He can deal with aerial combat due to his flight ring and im giving it FTL speed and he has the ability to use it adeptly.

2. I dont see him having any porblems deal with Supermans H2H skill if he can do this.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5762/silversurfer198700421jg3.jpg

3. Will not have trouble KOing Superman when he is capable of doing this.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3958/avengers11416qg7.jpg

and KOing a being that can do this.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1555/avengersv112416ln7.jpg


Ok in all fairness she was not able to KO him but was able to find out its weakness, but Cap has an indestructible weapon and a motherbox that could create weapons.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3733/avengersv112417im5.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8001/avengersv112418gh8.jpg

The motherbox gives offence capabilties. Here it gives Superman a sonic gun.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg


Here it gives Superman a HF

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg

It could be argued that the mb could give Cap defence against cold breath and blunt force trauma.

Oh yeah and he can resist Supermans T-Vo because...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9366/defenders00913gc6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/393/defenders00914av3.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I also dont think that Superman can heal from wounds this bad.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/16-2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/17-2.jpg

xmarksthespot
Captain America gets decapitated Sailor Moon-style.

Estacado
Originally posted by Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Estacado


Have you seen the scans I posted, you do realise this isnt standard Cap hes been upgraded? erm

Ha-Son
Originally posted by Soljer
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No, seriously....

What in the ****?!

Neo Darkhalen
This is wrong...just wrong.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
This is wrong...just wrong.

Ive posted scans for the love god, could you actually read them. Its not standard Captain America hes been upgraded.

Neo Darkhalen
Oh fair enough, I'm only teasing you. stick out tongue

Soljer
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ive posted scans for the love god, could you actually read them. Its not standard Captain America hes been upgraded.

Everyone is aware that it isn't 'standard Cap.'

It's still one of the worst matches to grace KMC since Storm vs. Eternity.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Soljer
Everyone is aware that it isn't 'standard Cap.'

It's still one of the worst matches to grace KMC since Storm vs. Eternity.

Why? Cap has FTL reflexes (fast enough to deal with Runner) now and he has a motherbox which can create weapons that can expose his weaknesses. A gun that shoots red sun radiation is a very likely possibility. no expression

Ha-Son
Originally posted by Soljer
Everyone is aware that it isn't 'standard Cap.'

It's still one of the worst matches to grace KMC since Storm vs. Eternity.

Phantom Zone
Yeah but the thing is could I actually have a response to my scans please. erm because all your doing is just making a statement.

If you think its crap fine, but this is a discussion forum.

Soljer
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but the thing is could I actually have a response to my scans please.

Oh! That's what you wanted. Sure, then.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only thing im not too sure about is the amount of physical damage CM can take. I know she has had no problem KOing really powerrful beings though. Anyway i'll go about setting up a case.

Anyway........

1. He can deal with aerial combat due to his flight ring and im giving it FTL speed and he has the ability to use it adeptly.

2. I dont see him having any porblems deal with Supermans H2H skill if he can do this.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5762/silversurfer198700421jg3.jpg

3. Will not have trouble KOing Superman when he is capable of doing this.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3958/avengers11416qg7.jpg

and KOing a being that can do this.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1555/avengersv112416ln7.jpg


Ok in all fairness she was not able to KO him but was able to find out its weakness, but Cap has an indestructible weapon and a motherbox that could create weapons.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3733/avengersv112417im5.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8001/avengersv112418gh8.jpg

The motherbox gives offence capabilties. Here it gives Superman a sonic gun.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/7-1.jpg


Here it gives Superman a HF

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/9-1.jpg

It could be argued that the mb could give Cap defence against cold breath and blunt force trauma.

Oh yeah and he can resist Supermans T-Vo because...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9366/defenders00913gc6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/393/defenders00914av3.jpg

Nice scans.

Shitty thread.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Soljer
Oh! That's what you wanted. Sure, then.



Nice scans.

Shitty thread.

Trolling. thumb up

CaptainStoic
The best that your version of Captain America could do is prevent the inevitable from happening for about 10 seconds.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The best that your version of Captain America could do is prevent the inevitable from happening for about 10 seconds.

Why would that happen when he is FTL reflexes is better at H2H and has a motherbox that can exploit his weaknesses? no expression C'mon lets hear it.

If my version is fast enough to trip up The Runner why is Superman going to kill him in 10 seconds?

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Captain America vs Superman. Cap gets:

A flight ring. (assume he is fully proficent at flying)
Celestial Madonnas H2H skill and powers but not full powers
A motherbox.
His shield (of course)

Can Cap win?

NO!
He would still be slower than Supes + he still has no invulnerability. Supes punches him in half with a speed blitz.

CaptainStoic
I never said kill him, but a non PIS Superman could track his movement like a Hawk tracks a mouse. I won't go the obvious route and state that this is spite, but.... it is what it is. Superman could tunnel beneath him, and rip up the very foundation he stand on effectively crushing him. This isn't a contest it's a slaughter.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
NO!
He would still be slower than Supes + he still has no invulnerability. Supes punches him in half with a speed blitz.

How do you know he would be slower than Supes, is superman faster than the Runner?

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How do you know he would be slower than Supes, is superman faster than the Runner?

How do you trip the untrippable. The Runner runs Superman flys.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I never said kill him, but a non PIS Superman could track his movement like a Hawk tracks a mouse. I won't go the obvious route and state that this is spite, but.... it is what it is. Superman could tunnel beneath him, and rip up the very foundation he stand on effectively crushing him. This isn't a contest it's a slaughter.


Ok you do know he has a flight ring so doesnt have to be on the ground right?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
How do you trip the untrippable. The Runner runs Superman flys.

Um, if hes fast enough to trip Runner who alot of people think is faster than Superman, hes capable of dodging and hitting Superman. See the point? Wether Runner was flying or running is irrelevant its the speed and reaction time were talking about.

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How do you know he would be slower than Supes, is superman faster than the Runner?

What does Runner have to do with this?

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
What does Runner have to do with this?

Are you serious???????

Master-Borg
motherbox is a load of crap.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Master-Borg
motherbox is a load of crap.

No its not. The reason why Superman lost was because DD is more adaptable. Is Superman as adaptable as DD, whats going to happen if the motherbox gives Cap a red sun radiation gun? Whats going to happen if Cap gets an energy sword which almost cuts him in half like Supes did to DD, does Superman have a superfast HF?

Hell Cap should get 3 wins imo

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Are you serious???????

Umm....Yeah. This is Superman vs. a upgraded Cap. I didn't see Runner in the title.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
Umm....Yeah. This is Superman vs. a upgraded Cap. I didn't see Runner in the title.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone




Um, if hes fast enough to trip Runner who alot of people think is faster than Superman, hes capable of dodging and hitting Superman. See the point? Wether Runner was flying or running is irrelevant its the speed and reaction time were talking about.

no expression

Sundipped
Ok did I miss something? When in the hell did Cap trip Runner?

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok did I miss something? When in the hell did Cap trip Runner?

Bro did you see where I said that Caps has the Celestial Madonnas fighting skills and powers? That was the whole point that means feats that Mantis has done are now applicable to Cap. doh

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro did you see where I said that Caps has the Celestial Madonnas fighting skills and powers? That was the whole point that means feats that Mantis has done are now applicable to Cap. doh

Runner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mantis.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
Runner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mantis.

Ok so if Runner is faster than Superman and Mantis was fast enough to react before Runner could what does that prove?

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok so if Runner is faster than Superman and Mantis was fast enough to react before Runner could what does that prove?

Where do you get Mantis being fast enough to react before Runner could? Mantis and Runner never met so.......

Even if they did Runner would trash Mantis like he did Surfer and started to do Thanos.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped
Where do you get Mantis being fast enough to react before Runner could? Mantis and Runner never met so.......

Yeah they did.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5762/silversurfer198700421jg3.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped

Even if they did Runner would trash Mantis like he did Surfer and started to do Thanos.

As far as im concerned Runner ias faster than Supes so that doesnt matter. Furthermore Cap still has his shield so he can defend from some of the blows he cant dodge.

This thread isnt as much spite as people think.

Soljer
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Trolling. thumb up

When did honesty become trolling, again?

Sundipped
Originally posted by Phantom Zone


Ok ur talking about Marvel's Mantis. That's complete PIS. Her leg should have been broken. In a face to face confrontation straight up Runner would waste Mantis horribly. In no way should she be able to compete with any Elder.




U said he can defend from some of the blows but it'll only take 1. Cap still lacks the invulnerability.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok ur talking about Marvel's Mantis. That's complete PIS. Her leg should have been broken. In a face to face confrontation straight up Runner would waste Mantis horribly. In no way should she be able to compete with any Elder.

I have to disagree. That was Mantis after she received the Celestial Madonna upgrade, and that upgrade pushed her into the Herald range. The girl was able to stalemate a Thanos clone of some power in fact. And even before the upgrade, she showed the ability to push her consciousness into another time frame so it's conceivable for her to react to ANY speedster.

psycho gundam
that didn't prevent her from getting turned into a pretzel on the next page.

Mr. Slippyfist
Cap wins without all this baggage.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sundipped


U said he can defend from some of the blows but it'll only take 1. Cap still lacks the invulnerability.

Well im not sure how durable he is but Mantis did block one of Champions punches. She should be able to take some of Supermans punches at any rate Cap now has fTL reflexes his skill and Mantis's skill it could well be argued that Cap will dictate how the fight goes because he is better at H2H and his shield and would not even get hit, especially if the motherbox gives him a red sun gun he can finish the fight quickly.

Daredevil1
Mantis is hard to gauge. She has one nice showing of bringing down Thor for a bit with a sneak attack.

But when she fought Wonderman, Drax, and Champion she could not KO them. In fact once they got a hold of her, she was completely helpless.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Mantis is hard to gauge. She has one nice showing of bringing down Thor for a bit with a sneak attack.

But when she fought Wonderman, Drax, and Champion she could not KO them. In fact once they got a hold of her, she was completely helpless.

Ok good points but when she thought WM I dont think she was not at the Celestial madonna level.

When she fought Champs, he used MA.

Ok she got caught by Drax, but dont forget her evading Runner and almost dodging every single attack from Obliterator.

Also dont forget this is not just about Mantis's skill but Cap as well, it could be argued that he would be even more effective than Manbis at FTL speed he can also use his shield to block a good portion of attacks.

Mr. Slippyfist
Bump.

Ha-Son
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Bump.
Reported.

manx422
1) supes take cap to space
2) supes freezes cap
3) supes grabs him and heads for centre of earth
there are many ways yhis fight could end with supes winning it every time

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by manx422
1) supes take cap to space
2) supes freezes cap
3) supes grabs him and heads for centre of earth
there are many ways yhis fight could end with supes winning it every time

I could respond to those points but it seems your a sock.

Soljer
Bump.

Phantom Zone
I wasnt sure wether the motherbox gave him added durability I suspected it but the motherbox protected Batman from DS's punches.

Yowsa
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Could you at least like at the scans. *groan*

All through out this thread you moaned people to look at the scans but you failed (Seems like a common thing for you) to realize people did and it made no difference.

Phantom Zone
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Nah ghd
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*bump* no expression Originally posted by Yowsa
All through out this thread you moaned people to look at the scans but you failed (Seems like a common thing for you) to realize people did and it made no difference.

Lord Feron
I would say the motherbox capabilities must be discussed more because it seems like it can do much if it exploits superman's weaknesses. Even with Cap's new powers and stuff I think the fight will go something like this... Superman will try a flurry of punches and HV but Cap will block some and dodge some. I beleve even blocking with the sheild he will absorb some of the impact unto himself and that will hurt some. Add in a few hits cap didn't manage to dodge or block will further hurt 'cap's ability to fight but if cap holds off superman with his reflexes and his Healing helps him last longer he can buy himself enough time for the mother box to create a anti-superman contraption (i would suggest cap makes some kind of explosive kryptonite bomb, the bomb won't harm cap at all and it would be unexpected and superman will prolly think its a normal grenade or bomb and won't give it a second thought just taking the hit) I assume this is a very good scenario. On the other hand superman can be cheap and bear hug cap and run into soemthing really hard and kill cap on impact or fly into the vacume of space space. Are those both likely attacks that superman will do initially i don't think so tho.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Lord Feron
I would say the motherbox capabilities must be discussed more because it seems like it can do much if it exploits superman's weaknesses. Even with Cap's new powers and stuff I think the fight will go something like this... Superman will try a flurry of punches and HV but Cap will block some and dodge some. I beleve even blocking with the sheild he will absorb some of the impact unto himself and that will hurt some. Add in a few hits cap didn't manage to dodge or block will further hurt 'cap's ability to fight but if cap holds off superman with his reflexes and his Healing helps him last longer he can buy himself enough time for the mother box to create a anti-superman contraption (i would suggest cap makes some kind of explosive kryptonite bomb, the bomb won't harm cap at all and it would be unexpected and superman will prolly think its a normal grenade or bomb and won't give it a second thought just taking the hit) I assume this is a very good scenario. On the other hand superman can be cheap and bear hug cap and run into soemthing really hard and kill cap on impact or fly into the vacume of space space. Are those both likely attacks that superman will do initially i don't think so tho.


Thank you! To add some points though Cap now has added durability. Im not sure how durable Mantis is but she can survive in the vacuum of space and was able to block one of Champions punches so Cap could take some punches from supes.

Apparently a motherbox protected Batman from Darksieds punches.

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