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Ok this is the Thor of myth of legend (not Marvel) vs marvel Odin. Who wins...i'll keep cool this time.

Odin

Originally posted by Mindset
Odin

Reasons?

Real Thor controls lightning and thunder and shit.
He struggles to lift the midnight serpent, yet is the only god capable of fighting the Frost Giants.
He requires 3 to 4 blows to destroy earth.
He can't untie giant iron wire.

Yeah Thor is gonna take this one. dontgetit

Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
Real Thor controls lightning and thunder and shit.
He struggles to lift the midnight serpent, yet is the only god capable of fighting the Frost Giants.
He requires 3 to 4 blows to destroy earth.
He can't untie giant iron wire.

Yeah Thor is gonna take this one. dontgetit

Bro I dont even understand that post.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro I dont even understand that post.

He posted facts of what "real" Thor is capable of doing, which doesnt even come close to comparing against Odin

Originally posted by Terryc250
He posted facts of what "real" Thor is capable of doing, which doesnt even come close to comparing against Odin

Well I dont get cant untie giant Iron wire...when did he try to do that?

He takes 3 to 4 blows to destory earth...when did he try to do that?

I know he has created stars from a giants eyes. I also know that he has control over time and space. He had a battle of wits with Odin where he controlled the fate of a person and Odin could not stop him from doing it, so that implies that he is comparable in power with Odin. Also Odin has also said that there was a time when he needed Thors help.

The myth Asgardian gods can travel throught time and space in what they call "the speed of thought", any time or place they can conceive, they can get into.

Nevertheless, Odin can destroy a Galaxy without breaking a sweat, ancient man did not conceive such a destructive power. Thor is outclassed here.

Originally posted by Bentley
The myth Asgardian gods can travel throught time and space in what they call "the speed of thought", any time or place they can conceive, they can get into.

Come again?

Originally posted by Bentley

Nevertheless, Odin can destroy a Galaxy without breaking a sweat, ancient man did not conceive such a destructive power. Thor is outclassed here.

Yeah I figured that problem after I created this thread. Well all I can say is that he has matched power with Odin of norse lore. Odin didnt just create earth but also created the dwarves and elves looking at the lore its like he basically created the earth and a universe.

The idea of the speed of thought is that speed is faster than light because by just thinking you can be in the farthest places of Earth, in the past or in the future. Thought can take you anywhere. The asgardians gods move that way.

Not comic-related.

Closed.

Comics feats are generally embellished far beyond what you'll find in other avenues of literature. The "gods" as they are written in classic myths would have a hard time beating all kinds of supposedly lower-powered comic characters.

Originally posted by SpiderGauntlet
Real Thor controls lightning and thunder and shit.
He struggles to lift the midnight serpent, yet is the only god capable of fighting the Frost Giants.
He requires 3 to 4 blows to destroy earth.
He can't untie giant iron wire.

Yeah Thor is gonna take this one. dontgetit

He manages to lift a Leg from the Cat the Midgard serpert was impersonating, also one should note that in the Myth the Midgard Serpert is what is holding the World together.

Incorrect he is far from the only God capable of during so but he is the God of which most have been written concerning figthing the Giants.

When has he ever tried to destroy midgard???

A Giant Iron Wire tied with Magic from one of the most accomplished sorcerer in the Asgardian Myth.

Also in the same myth with the Midgard Serpert he manages to almost dry out the entire earth oceans.

Also one might notice that Loki when caught and bound to the stone and condemd to forever having venom from a snake dripping into his eyes, his wife sits with a bowl but when it's full she has to remove it to empty it and when she does so and the Venom hits loki eyes he reaches to strongly that he conjure up earthquaks on the earth strength feat???

Originally posted by Bentley
The idea of the speed of thought is that speed is faster than light because by just thinking you can be in the farthest places of Earth, in the past or in the future. Thought can take you anywhere. The asgardians gods move that way.

Ok thats one way of looking at it I suppose....

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Comics feats are generally embellished far beyond what you'll find in other avenues of literature. The "gods" as they are written in classic myths would have a hard time beating all kinds of supposedly lower-powered comic characters.

I see what you're saying and as you probably know gods have different "showings", Thor does have feats were he has created stars, so as far as I know that does seem to be herald level.

Yeah but you're right its hard for them to match Odins feats. All I can say is that Thor matched wits with Odins in one story. The Odin of Norse lore it seems is not just responsible for creating earth but other powerful beings and other dimensions.

Originally posted by Utrigita


A Giant Iron Wire tied with Magic from one of the most accomplished sorcerer in the Asgardian Myth.

When was this?

Originally posted by Utrigita

Also one might notice that Loki when caught and bound to the stone and condemd to forever having venom from a snake dripping into his eyes, his wife sits with a bowl but when it's full she has to remove it to empty it and when she does so and the Venom hits loki eyes he reaches to strongly that he conjure up earthquaks on the earth strength feat???

Yeah I know. I dont think its a strength feat though...its kinda hard to explain. I mean Thor is supposed to be the strongest God but people intepret his strength as being spiritual in nature.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When was this?

On Thors trip to Utgarda-Loki king of the Giants he knows runemagic and in the mythology he is a equal ore above Odin when it comes to Rune magic.

Yeah I know. I dont think its a strength feat though...its kinda hard to explain. I mean Thor is supposed to be the strongest God but people intepret his strength as being spiritual in nature.

Isn't a strength feat??? Thor was the one that Caught Loki when he was swimming up and down the river disguised as a Fish.

Originally posted by Utrigita
On Thors trip to Utgarda-Loki king of the Giants he knows runemagic and in the mythology he is a equal ore above Odin when it comes to Rune magic.

OOOOO Utgard-Loki.....dont remember him trying to break any wire...

To be quite honest with you I dont even think hes the king of the giants. The giants and place he created were just illusions and the name Utgard means outlander, so hes just some mysterious being.


Originally posted by Utrigita

Isn't a strength feat??? Thor was the one that Caught Loki when he was swimming up and down the river disguised as a Fish.

Yyyyyeah it is and it isnt.....you know how myths are supposed to teach a story through metaphors? The lesson is that Thor is supposed to teach us that purity of spirit gives you strength...im kinda tired...but do you kinda get what im saying?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
OOOOO Utgard-Loki.....dont remember him trying to break any wire...

To be quite honest with you I dont even think hes the king of the giants. The giants and place he created were just illusions and the name Utgard means outlander, so hes just some mysterious being.

Oh yes when Thor was on his way to Utgard-Loki he encountered him, Utgard Loki used his magic to bind a bag which contained food and thor wasn't capable of losering it up, though I'm actually beginning to doubt if it was iron... will have to check some litteratur.

In the Mythology he is the King of the Giants but so are Thrym but both are in mythology called the king of the Giants, what he does is that when he tells Thor how he managed to best him he makes Utgard disappear, UtGard reappears later when Thor disguised as Freja is making his way to the arranged mariage with Thrym the same Giant that stole Thor hammer.

Yyyyyeah it is and it isnt.....you know how myths are supposed to teach a story through metaphors? The lesson is that Thor is supposed to teach us that purity of spirit gives you strength...im kinda tired...but do you kinda get what im saying?

Absolutely also it was made to explain why the earth sometimes quaked, but your logic with purity of spirit isn't well placed imo in this instance where It's Loki with the impure spirit that is showed to have enormous strength if we look at it with oure eyes.

They're also far less consistent than comics (not that comics are consistent either, but slightly moreso). You'll see gods create "the heavens and the earth" or some such, then turn around and struggle fighting, I dunno, a bear or something. Those are just random examples, but anyone familiar with mythology knows that I'm not really reaching.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh yes when Thor was on his way to Utgard-Loki he encountered him, Utgard Loki used his magic to bind a bag which contained food and thor wasn't capable of losering it up, though I'm actually beginning to doubt if it was iron... will have to check some litteratur.

In the Mythology he is the King of the Giants but so are Thrym but both are in mythology called the king of the Giants, what he does is that when he tells Thor how he managed to best him he makes Utgard disappear, UtGard reappears later when Thor disguised as Freja is making his way to the arranged mariage with Thrym the same Giant that stole Thor hammer.


Nah man dont think Ugard reappears after that...

Originally posted by Utrigita

Absolutely also it was made to explain why the earth sometimes quaked, but your logic with purity of spirit isn't well placed imo in this instance where It's Loki with the impure spirit that is showed to have enormous strength if we look at it with oure eyes.

Thats not the point of the myth, there two.
1. Its there explanation for natural ocurrances.
2. What happens to you when you cross the line. There are two versions of this story. The one you are refering to is probably from Snorris Eddas. There is also another one from poetic Eddas where Loki gets tied up because he insulted the gods and when Thor turned up Loki decided to stop.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
They're also far less consistent than comics (not that comics are consistent either, but slightly moreso). You'll see gods create "the heavens and the earth" or some such, then turn around and struggle fighting, I dunno, a bear or something. Those are just random examples, but anyone familiar with mythology knows that I'm not really reaching.

True

Originally posted by DigiMark007
They're also far less consistent than comics (not that comics are consistent either, but slightly moreso). You'll see gods create "the heavens and the earth" or some such, then turn around and struggle fighting, I dunno, a bear or something. Those are just random examples, but anyone familiar with mythology knows that I'm not really reaching.

Exactly. Myths are meant as symbolism. Their internal logic is also based so heavily on outdated understanding of the world as to nearly be meaningless to someone who isn't a scholar (and totaly meaningless for establishing a "power level"

Odin wins

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Exactly. Myths are meant as symbolism. Their internal logic is also based so heavily on outdated understanding of the world as to nearly be meaningless to someone who isn't a scholar (and totaly meaningless for establishing a "power level"

Co-signed in full.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Exactly. Myths are meant as symbolism. Their internal logic is also based so heavily on outdated understanding of the world as to nearly be meaningless to someone who isn't a scholar (and totaly meaningless for establishing a "power level"

Yeah im gonna have to agree with that. At any rate it was supposed to be a semi-serious thread anyway.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah man dont think Ugard reappears after that...

Well From what I remember about the lines it does.

Thats not the point of the myth, there two.
1. Its there explanation for natural ocurrances.
2. What happens to you when you cross the line. There are two versions of this story. The one you are refering to is probably from Snorris Eddas. There is also another one from poetic Eddas where Loki gets tied up because he insulted the gods and when Thor turned up Loki decided to stop.


1. like I said

2. Isn't all data on the subject agreed on Balder dying because of Lokis manipulation...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well From what I remember about the lines it does.

Pretty sure you're wrong.....


Originally posted by Utrigita

1. like I said

Right? Dont see how that contradicts that Thor strength comes from sprituality.

Originally posted by Utrigita

2. Isn't all data on the subject agreed on Balder dying because of Lokis manipulation...

Well apparently one person was telling me that odin has something to do with it as well....but I have to look into it.

Yeah but again like I said the point about Loki getting tied up is about what happens to you if you do certain actions. The purpose of it is not to demonstrate the power of Loki.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Pretty sure you're wrong.....

Okay I'm not...

Right? Dont see how that contradicts that Thor strength comes from sprituality.

I said that the entire story also was supposed to tell why a earth quake happened.

Well apparently one person was telling me that odin has something to do with it as well....but I have to look into it.

Never heard that.

Yeah but again like I said the point about Loki getting tied up is about what happens to you if you do certain actions. The purpose of it is not to demonstrate the power of Loki.

No I know that however I'm drawing forth that incident in order to show how powerful the mythology Thor would be in a confrontation lets face it the Real Thor vs Comic Odin is a discussion with a being with "feats" that waries greatly against a being that have the Feats that can be used in a discussion. Therefore I'm drawing forth the incidents which I think can be used to give a impression of what the Real Thor can do.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay I'm not...

Cant see nothin about Utgard here

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/rune/399/thrymskvidha.html#top


Originally posted by Utrigita



I said that the entire story also was supposed to tell why a earth quake happened.

Ok.

Originally posted by Utrigita



Never heard that.

Yeah thats why i said id look into it, I think he was probably stretching, but you would be suprised what things you can find when you do in-depth research.


Originally posted by Utrigita


No I know that however I'm drawing forth that incident in order to show how powerful the mythology Thor would be in a confrontation lets face it the Real Thor vs Comic Odin is a discussion with a being with "feats" that waries greatly against a being that have the Feats that can be used in a discussion. Therefore I'm drawing forth the incidents which I think can be used to give a impression of what the Real Thor can do.

Ok

Hercules is myth vs thor of myth will be a better fight but then again in myth hercules had both power and brain and he was more impressive than even thor

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cant see nothin about Utgard here

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/rune/399/thrymskvidha.html#top




Ok.



Yeah thats why i said id look into it, I think he was probably stretching, but you would be suprised what things you can find when you do in-depth research.




Ok

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True but it doesn't change the fact that we have to incidents Same outcome but very different reasons why Loki gets gis punishment.

Originally posted by hunbu04
Hercules is myth vs thor of myth will be a better fight but then again in myth hercules had both power and brain and he was more impressive than even thor

Thor had brains too actually. Thats what people say who dont know the myths in-depth.

Thor was stock in a gaint booth and he did know how to get out while hercules on the other hand figure out how to beat the earth god son of mother earth who was unbeatable while in contact with he earth, the trick the titan atlas to take the weight of the heavens, he figure out how to killed the hydra, he used the nemian lion own claw to killed it. In all of myth hercules is unbeatable he conquer entire empires on his own and he even invaded india and the lands of the foreign gods. He was able to stop the twlight of the olympians gods in their battle with the giants and he along killed severals powerful giants, on the other hand thor failed the stop the end of the norse gods and his entire race die. Featswise hercules outclass thor in myth

Originally posted by hunbu04
Thor was stock in a gaint booth and he did know how to get out while


He was a what? Are you refering to Utgard-Loki? iF you are Loki was as just as fooled as Thor was, so that doesnt prove anything.

Originally posted by hunbu04

hercules on the other hand figure out how to beat the earth god son of mother earth who was unbeatable while in contact with he earth, the trick the titan atlas to take the weight of the heavens, he figure out how to killed the hydra, he used the nemian lion own claw to killed it. In all of myth hercules is unbeatable he conquer entire empires on his own and he even invaded india and the lands of the foreign gods.

Thors killed loads of giants and monsters doesnt prove anything. Hes also created stars before Hercules hasnt. So really on feats Thor comes out on top.


Originally posted by hunbu04

He was able to stop the twlight of the olympians gods in their battle with the giants and he along killed severals powerful giants, on the other hand thor failed the stop the end of the norse gods and his entire race die. Featswise hercules outclass thor in myth

Thor didnt fail to stop the twilight of the gods because it wasnt even his job alone to do it. He did his part and killed the world serpent. What twilight of the Olympian gods they dont have one.