EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament: Round 1-3; Symmetric Chaos vs Devil Lance

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Evangel94
Round 1. Match 3. You know the drill.

Symmetric Chaos

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Karnak - 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnak_%28comics%29
Flash - 6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_West
Superman - 6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Amaglam v2 - 6
Batman - 1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman
Prep Time v2 - 2
(1 hour in a scientific laborotory or mystic sanctum)
Knowledge of the Opposition v2 - 2
(list of opponent's abilities but not the level)

Karnak (Mind)
(MA, Skills, Find Flaws etc)
Superman (Body)
(Strength, HV, arctic breath, durability, flight, T-Vo, dashing good looks, etc)
Flash
(Superspeed, Speedforce abilities . . . dun dun dun dun!)

Amalgam Name: Pete


2 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 1 + 2 + 2 = 25

vs

Devil Lance

Originally posted by Devil Lance
My team
Firestorm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29
(Raymond/ Stein Combo) - 6 points

Level 1 Amalgam - 4 points
King Hawk
composed of
Hawkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman
(Carter Hall with claw of Horus) 4 points Mind - Carter's fighting skills, nth metal, claw of horrus, hawk man suit , other standard equipment, memories of his other lives

Aquaman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman
(Orin with water hand) 4 points Body- strength, durabilty, senses, speed, reflexes, water hand, telepathy, etc etc

prep level 1 - 1 point + power boosting during prep 4 points + level 2 knowledge of opponents 2 points

6+4+4++4+4+2+1=25

Area:



All tournament participants must vote or you may be penalized during your match for not voting. If you cannot or are unable to vote, contact me ahead of time. As to non-participants, anyone who has 1000 posts or more can vote.

psycho gundam
best battlefield ever!

Devil Lance

Devil Lance

Devil Lance

Symmetric Chaos

Symmetric Chaos

Evangel94
Tournament Director jumping in to express dismay at how no one is even mentioning the battlefield in their strategy. You can talk all day about the characters, but don't neglect that you are in a Dinosaur Era Battlefield in the Badlands. The battlefield isn't just there for looks you know.

Badlands according to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badlands



Throw Dinosaurs in there and you have may some serious inconveniences.

I'd like to see both or either one of you address the battlefield you are actually fighting on.

Devil Lance

Symmetric Chaos

Evangel94
Guys, I just want to remind both of you that ppening write-up posts are limited to 1000 words in length including any links. Consider this a very important rule not to break. Opening write-up posts should be direct, concise and to the point.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
K-nite! Oh, noes! Something with tons of low showing against Superman!

Wait, HV has destroyed it in the past. So I'll just do this:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/SupermanOmniblast.jpg

That'll take a fraction of a instant and any K-nite radiation that did make it to Pete will be minimal.

Nice try though.





I don't suppose you can prove Hawkman knows how it works? Or that FS can create a material with properties like Nth metal?



You think HawkMan's mind is going to let someone turn into another OnimarSyn? laughing

Even if you characters did try that it would take more than a few minutes.

As for your unbreakable armor well Karnak will find it's flaw and hit it a few dozen times with Class100 strength destroying it within moments.



Which will be vaporized. See above.



You have no evidence that they have those powers or that FS can control more than one. Besides since they utterly lack durability a few perfectly placed HV blasts would destroy your army in a moment even if you could make it.



Doesn't look too threatening. My initial blast of HV will destroy that.

I'd also like to point out the look of horror on Hawkman's face there. Why is he going to let FS run around transmuting tons and tons of stuff again?


The only thing thatr has been keeping Hawkman from having Onimar Synn's amount of power is the fact that he doesn't have enough
Just see what he says here
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DCComics-Hawkman2002001-21.jpg
and Hawkman has thosuand of years of experience with Nth Mental
and has already benable to use it for strength/ durability amping purposes
andas I've showed you before FS can make alien material like Kyrptonite all he has to do is be able to scan the material he wants one time and after he does that he can make as much of it as he wants. He'll be able to do that after seeing Hawkman's nth metal

And now you say that you'll be heat blasting the environment at the start of the match thats going to take awhile since there are sveral layers of kryptonite
not to mention the fact that you'll be feeling the effects of it before you can destroy it giving KH enough time to launch his assault on your ming and find out where you arre so my K-nite supes army and FS can finish you ff.

Symmetric Chaos

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
According to Evangel I can use speed lending during battle but not during prep.




You okay man?




They don't need to. Pete just going to knock you into the stone age with a few hundred thousand Class100 punches traveling at speed that don't quite qualify as an IMP



Maybe not 100% but certainly up there (not that there will be any K-nite to bother with after I destroy it) and his connection to the SpeedForce is unharmed. He's still infinitely faster than you could ever hope to react to.



And he can have fun doing that for the instant it will take me to search the area and KO him with a tap.



Oh no . . . you've stunned a street leveler and sent a nonexistant army after a person so fast you won't know what hit you.



You might be able to stun Pete for a moment but Flash's do everything faster even recover from things that knock them out:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashHypermetabolism2.jpg

Kryptonian physiology is also not easy to hit with TP.



You have no army. You have no chance to react and your phasing would be utterly useless even if you somehow did use it:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/wallyvsintangibility.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/KarnakVibrateHit.jpg




Thats the thing though KH will be constantly stunning you and BS on the Kryptonian defnse against TP Max Lord , Braiac, Manchester Black, The White Martians, and Dominus beg to differ.
Heck in Doomsday wras Superman had to have a tp blocker designed by Emil Hamillton to protect him from TP blasts
so once again if you choose to try and destroy the kryptonite prison I've put you in you'll just be left open to my TP assualt

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
The only thing thatr has been keeping Hawkman from having Onimar Synn's amount of power is the fact that he doesn't have enough
Just see what he says here
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/DCComics-Hawkman2002001-21.jpg
and Hawkman has thosuand of years of experience with Nth Mental
and has already benable to use it for strength/ durability amping purposes
andas I've showed you before FS can make alien material like Kyrptonite all he has to do is be able to scan the material he wants one time and after he does that he can make as much of it as he wants. He'll be able to do that after seeing Hawkman's nth metal

And now you say that you'll be heat blasting the environment at the start of the match thats going to take awhile since there are sveral layers of kryptonite
not to mention the fact that you'll be feeling the effects of it before you can destroy it giving KH enough time to launch his assault on your ming and find out where you arre so my K-nite supes army and FS can finish you ff.

That scan makes it very obvious that Hawkman doesn't want another Syn walking around. He's not going to go for this plan you've devised when he doesn't even want to talk about it.

As for difficulty with destroying the K-nite:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Supermanheatvision.jpg

That's 200,000 miles away without any sort of strain.

Again the destructive power of HV without strain:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanhvasteroid.jpg

But I'll pretend for a moment that you do somehow weaken Pete.
Here's a nice weak Superman doing some stuff:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsdeath.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsdeath1.jpg


I'd also like to note the resilience of Kryptonians to TP:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance6.jpg

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Thats the thing though KH will be constantly stunning you and BS on the Kryptonian defnse against TP Max Lord , Braiac, Manchester Black, The White Martians, and Dominus beg to differ.
Heck in Doomsday wras Superman had to have a tp blocker designed by Emil Hamillton to protect him from TP blasts
so once again if you choose to try and destroy the kryptonite prison I've put you in you'll just be left open to my TP assualt

Thank's to Karnak's tactical mind Pete won't be spending any time being hit by TP. He'll use Flash's speed and double KO your guys before they have a chance to test his TP resistance.

Lord took years to make it work and even then he had to trick Superman.
WhiteMartians are much better and they played psych games on Superman too keep him down.
Dominus nearly took over Kismet's position I can't imagine how you would compare him to Aquaman's TP abilities.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That scan makes it very obvious that Hawkman doesn't want another Syn walking around. He's not going to go for this plan you've devised when he doesn't even want to talk about it.

As for difficulty with destroying the K-nite:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Supermanheatvision.jpg

That's 200,000 miles away without any sort of strain.

Again the destructive power of HV without strain:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanhvasteroid.jpg

But I'll pretend for a moment that you do somehow weaken Pete.
Here's a nice weak Superman doing some stuff:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsdeath.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsdeath1.jpg


I'd also like to note the resilience of Kryptonians to TP:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanmentalresistance6.jpg

So you'll be weakened you admit in the time it takes for you to do your Heat vision thing if you even get the chance to do that.
and then you'll be attacked by a tp blast

a weakend supes will not be able to reist a tp blast and doe shis resitance protect him from tp blasts or just mind control

now giving nth metal to FS won't make another Onimar synn

Onimar Synn was batshit crazy way way way before he got the NTh metal
and Hawkman has worked with FS countless times before and knows FS is a good guy and won't abuse the power

Symmetric Chaos
Here's a nice little feat. The iron in Superman's blood has all become K-nite here:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/08.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/09.jpg

I doubt a few moment of your K-nite exposure will be doing . . . anything.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
So you'll be weakened you admit in the time it takes for you to do your Heat vision thing if you even get the chance to do that.

It's just a hypothetical. And using HV takes almost no time at all. It'll take less with Speedforce enhanced reaction times. Then he'll recover instantly (thank you Speedforce and poor K-nite history) so he can strike a couple times and end the fight.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
now giving nth metal to FS won't make another Onimar synn

Onimar Synn was batshit crazy way way way before he got the NTh metal
and Hawkman has worked with FS countless times before and knows FS is a good guy and won't abuse the power

Power corrupts. Hawkman won't even talk to Hawkwoman about what could happen if someone had more of it. There's not a chance in hell that he would allow someone to actually have that much Nth metal.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Here's a nice little feat. The iron in Superman's blood has all become K-nite here:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/08.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/09.jpg

I doubt a few moment of your K-nite exposure will be doing . . . anything.

evry one ha shigh end and low end showings SC
juts see what this little bit of Kryptonite did to supes here
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics008.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics009.jpg

not to mention the fact that Supes was almost K'oed by one little kryptonite bullet in that same Superman Batman Run by Jeph Loeb and that Superman wasone that had neen changed b alot by various time/reality manipulations

Evangel94
I would suggest using Thumbnails instead of links if possible. Just a suggestion.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Evangel94
I would suggest using Thumbnails instead of links if possible.

Unofficial post

Everyon else has been using links for the most part though why change and why does it matter its not like it takes that much more time roll eyes (sarcastic)

Evangel94
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Unofficial post

Everyon else has been using links for the most part though why change and why does it matter its not like it takes that much more time roll eyes (sarcastic)

Calm down.

It's just the sheer amount of scans both of are you posting is high. Using Thumbnails in which people need only glance at the smaller picture to see what you are referencing can save time, and may be more convenient. I mean if I have seen the scan before, I won't need to click the link. Like I said, it's only a suggestion and not mandatory.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
I would suggest using Thumbnails instead of links if possible. Just a suggestion.
Why would we do that? There's no limit on links but you can only post a certain number of thumbnails.

Evangel94
Originally posted by King Kandy
Why would we do that? There's no limit on links but you can only post a certain number of thumbnails.

Limit on Thumbnails? I am not talking about attachments. I am talking about thumbnails provided by imageshack, photobucket, and various other photo hosting websites which can be posted just as easily as links.

DigiMark007
Yeah, there's a limit on them. I think KMC will only allow something like 8 thumbnails in a post. Same goes for more traditional picture files, unless they're posted as a link.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
evry one ha shigh end and low end showings SC
juts see what this little bit of Kryptonite did to supes here
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics008.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics009.jpg

not to mention the fact that Supes was almost K'oed by one little kryptonite bullet in that same Superman Batman Run by Jeph Loeb and that Superman wasone that had neen changed b alot by various time/reality manipulations

Fine another showing againt K-nite. This time injected into his blood stream:
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30286582by4.jpg

Another instance. Flies through a field of K-nite then through Rao. He gets right back up:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0022ej4.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0023ca2.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0024mg6.jpg

Wearing a K-nite ring to fight Kara. He ends up none the worse for wear:
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/49XR/view-image/s-2.html
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/49XS/view-image/s-3.html

Here we see what being weakened means to the modern Superman (the answer is faster than light):
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18eh0.jpg

Surrounded by K-nite he can still project his thoughts. Yay for obscene Kryptonian powers:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanprojecction2.jpg


I think I've made my point. Pete isn't going down to a fraction of a second being exposed to Kryptonite.

Let's review shall we:
You have no way of weakening Pete, you have no way of reacting to Pete, you have no way of harming Pete.
Your army does not exist and even if it does Pete will destroy it before the impotent K-nite radiation can reach him.
Your TP cannot keep down a person who recovers as fast as Flash does.
You know Pete is too durable to harm physically. Hawkman will never allow someone to use so much Nth metal.

On the other hand I can defeat both you characters with one punch and there's nothing either one can do about it.


As fun as this has been there is simply no way for you to win.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Evangel94
Limit on Thumbnails? I am not talking about attachments. I am talking about thumbnails provided by imageshack, photobucket, and various other photo hosting websites which can be posted just as easily as links.
Yes there is a limit, you can only post seven thumbnails I think... In scan heavy posts links are the way to go.

Evangel94
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, there's a limit on them. I think KMC will only allow something like 8 thumbnails in a post. Same goes for more traditional picture files, unless they're posted as a link.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Quite a bit of scans in this thread, so I just trying to encourage neatness making it easier on the eyes for everyone. Though, I can see where the rule is coming from, having more than 8 thumbnails or links in a single post can be excessive at times.

Anyway, everyone, as you were. smile

starwars

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Fine another showing againt K-nite. This time injected into his blood stream:
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30286582by4.jpg

Another instance. Flies through a field of K-nite then through Rao. He gets right back up:
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0022ej4.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0023ca2.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0024mg6.jpg

Wearing a K-nite ring to fight Kara. He ends up none the worse for wear:
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/49XR/view-image/s-2.html
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/49XS/view-image/s-3.html

Here we see what being weakened means to the modern Superman (the answer is faster than light):
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18eh0.jpg

Surrounded by K-nite he can still project his thoughts. Yay for obscene Kryptonian powers:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanprojecction2.jpg


I think I've made my point. Pete isn't going down to a fraction of a second being exposed to Kryptonite.

Let's review shall we:
You have no way of weakening Pete, you have no way of reacting to Pete, you have no way of harming Pete.
Your army does not exist and even if it does Pete will destroy it before the impotent K-nite radiation can reach him.
Your TP cannot keep down a person who recovers as fast as Flash does.
You know Pete is too durable to harm physically. Hawkman will never allow someone to use so much Nth metal.

On the other hand I can defeat both you characters with one punch and there's nothing either one can do about it.


As fun as this has been there is simply no way for you to win.




Okay SC I really don't get why you think Hawkman would not let anyone use Nth metal

first off Hawkman uses nth metal he lets Hawkgirl use it, heck he let his son Hector Hall make a suit partially amde out of nth metal to fight crime with.
Also like I said earlier FS has worked with Carter in the JlA for years they have a lot of trust with each other
Also Hawkman knows FS has Professor Martin in the FS mtrix to guide him

Lastly Hawkman has shown time and time again that he will do whatever it takes to win even ripping off the wings of his own Grandson Northwind( and they are actual wings)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA58-03.jpg


Knowing all of that how would Carter not elt FS use nth metal?

Now all of this hitting me with one hit won't happen since you'll be dealing with TP attacks and kryptonite radiation

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Okay SC I really don't get why you think Hawkman would not let anyone use Nth metal

first off Hawkman uses nth metal he lets Hawkgirl use it, heck he let his son Hector Hall make a suit partially amde out of nth metal to fight crime with.
Also like I said earlier FS has worked with Carter in the JlA for years they have a lot of trust with each other
Also Hawkman knows FS has Professor Martin in the FS mtrix to guide him

Lastly Hawkman has shown time and time again that he will do whatever it takes to win even ripping off the wings of his own Grandson Northwind( and they are actual wings)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA58-03.jpg


HM won't even discuss using Nth metal to reach Syn's level of power. He changed the subjected immediately when it came up. Trust isn't the issue, he simply seems very clear on not wanting to utilize it that way. It scares him.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Now all of this hitting me with one hit won't happen since you'll be dealing with TP attacks and kryptonite radiation

I think I've more than proven the uselessness of the K-nite radiation. As for TP . . . Flash has outraced light, he can outrace thoughts.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
HM won't even discuss using Nth metal to reach Syn's level of power. He changed the subjected immediately when it came up. Trust isn't the issue, he simply seems very clear on not wanting to utilize it that way. It scares him.



I think I've more than proven the uselessness of the K-nite radiation. As for TP . . . Flash has outraced light, he can outrace thoughts.

conversation is different than a Life and death battle in a battle Hawkman would do whatever it tskes and he didn't change the usbjec he cntinued to talk about nth metal there was nothing mire to talk about that anyways

and I've showed scans of Kryptonite affecting supes a lot

like I said high showings an dlow showing the truth is probably near the middle but stil even if it does not make him fall to his knees he'll still not be able to launch off attacks as fast as your claiming and like I said the nth metal will allow my team to see you before you hit us

But we're going in circles now theres not much more for me to say

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Devil Lance
conversation is different than a Life and death battle in a battle Hawkman would do whatever it tskes and he didn't change the usbjec he cntinued to talk about nth metal there was nothing mire to talk about that anyways

He did stop talking about using it like Syn did.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
and I've showed scans of Kryptonite affecting supes a lot

You showed one scan from quite some time ago.


Originally posted by Devil Lance
like I said high showings an dlow showing the truth is probably near the middle but stil even if it does not make him fall to his knees he'll still not be able to launch off attacks as fast as your claiming and like I said the nth metal will allow my team to see you before you hit us

I'm using the SpeedForce not Kryptonian powers for my speed. Even if K-nite was effective against Superman his speed would not be compromised at all.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
But we're going in circles now

I must agree.

Devil Lance
I'm going to be busy for most of tomorrow so I'm just going to make my closing statement now

SC says Hawkman would not let FS make an armor out of Nth Metal when he let his own son us an armor partially made off Nth metal and he usues the Claw of Horus which is made out of Nth metal for big fights as well
So why wouldn't he let FS a team mate hes worked with countless times before use it?
There really is none

Now with that FS will be using Nth Metal and his strength durability and reflexes will be afr greater than petes who will be dealing with k-nite supes army the kryptonite raidation from the battlefield and King Hawk's mental attacks he will not be able to withstamnd any of that.

My Team is the on you should vote for

Symmetric Chaos
Well since we're wrapping up:


It has been proven many times that K-nite has minimal effect as a weakness for Superman and that Pete can destroy it easily enough.

Hawkman is simply too afraid of using Nth metal the way Syn did for DL's plan to work. Even if he does, a couple of perfectly placed punches will get rid of it.

DL does not have an army of K-nite Supermen to use. Even if he does they so utterly lack durability as to be no threat.

Flash's speed is so great as to allow Pete to take out FS and HawkKing before they can begin to attack him.

Thanks to Karnak's powers Pete can KO both of DevilLance's combatants with a single strike.


galan_braddockI'm SymmetricChaos and I approve this message.

DigiMark007
I work tomorrow until kinda late and won't be able to get in a vote unless I do it now. Both contestants have basically said they are done or close to done, so I feel justified in voting. If my vote can't be counted, that's fine, but is my best option at this point (and we're only a couple hours from the 12 hour mark anyway).

...

Voting for DL.

Sym actually impressed me with the variety of showings of Kal against K-nite. Problem is, it's still a weakness and is common knowledge. I have no more than 8-9 Superman comics in my entire collection, and 2-3 of them have him being affected by K-nite. So props for digging those up, and it nearly swayed me, but if we're saying that DL's battlefield full of K-nite is happening, I just can't see Kal not being severely affected by it.

The amalgam is powerful as hell, and sans Firestorm's K-nite storm, I'd be tempted to say Sym wins in a stomp, because Flash + Superman alone is impressive enough to crush all kinds of foes. But Supes is just a tricky tourney selection. So many powers and great showings, but such exploitable weaknesses.

King Kandy
Okay, it's time for me to go to sleep, so another early vote for today.

My Vote: Devil Lance

To me this comes down to a couple issues. I'm not buying SC's talk about the nth metal... Just because Hawkman won't talk about using it in casual conversation doesn't mean he won't in a life or death situation were he will die without an extra edge. I'm just not seeing him taking his opposition that far, especially since he KNOWS Firestorm and has fought alongside him before.

The other big issue was: Would Kryptonite effect Superman? My answer is that it definitely would. It's not his weakness for nothing, i've seen dozens of comics where he's been quickly taken down by it. And while technically it wouldn't remove his speed force powers, having radiation poisoning would certainly hinder his ability to USE those powers. As for the omni-directional blast, there is no indication of it's strength and it's certainly outside of superman's usual powerset. In fact it's quite rare that he can destroy Kryptonite with his HV at all, let alone an ENTIRE BATTLEFIELD full of it. Sorry, not buying it.

Basically this comes down to: can SC's amalgam defeat DL's before he has a chance to put up a counter-offensive? Given the krytonite, I do not believe he could. SC debated well (this was easily the best match so far) but his amalgam was simply not well equipped to win this match.

TricksterPriest
DL had potentially a godly amalgam there. He had Firestorm, Hawkman, and Aquaman with the water hand. He had an armor made out of Nth metal. Pretty much the same powers as Onimar Synn.


...............And he didn't even use a tenth of the potential he had. Onimar Synn had control over the 4 fundamental forces of the universe. He owned the JSA and others including Black Adam. And yet............DL only used the strength boost.

For such a criminal waste of potential, I'm giving it to Sym. K-nite is a big weakness, but the Flash powers will help stave off the effects, and DL's guy won't have time to stop him. And the worst thing is, you never even mentioned half of what I said. no

darthgoober
Trick you should hurry and edit out the last sentance of your post. It's a point that should be brought up by DL...

TricksterPriest
Fixed. Good call. thumb up

psycho gundam
the last sentance now is still a dead give away *wink*

TricksterPriest
fixed again.

Creshosk
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pete just going to knock you into the stone age You're already in the stone age.


Superman with Flash powers?

DL didn't but the matter manip powers so I don't know where he's going to get the K-nite from.

Vote: SC

Bentley
DL wins in my eyes. SC is basically saying "No, you can't do that" his only solution was HV and even there he leaves himself open for an attack -I assume HV gets boosted by the Speedforce, never saw any mention of this issue. Also, with the Nth metal there would be reactions to the attack, overall, I liked DL's strategy better.

My vote to Devil Lance.

darthgoober
I'm going to have to vote for SC. I have a really hard time believing that Hawkman would risk another Syn for anything short of a universal threat. If anything it seems like one of those classic scenarios where the hero has to fight off the urge to take the easy way out for the greater good, and Hawkman strikes me as the type to rise to that occasion. And without all the Nth metal to work with, I just don't see DL being able to stand up to the power of SC's amalgam.

But kudos to DL because your strategy was brilliant and you presented your case well. If "character" weren't such a factor in Evangel's tourney's, you'd have gotten my vote in a second but in the end I just couldn't picture Hawkman going through with it.

Papa Smurph
Going with SC because I'm not buying Firestorm making THAT much K-nite which very well could kill S-Man

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Creshosk
DL didn't but the matter manip powers so I don't know where he's going to get the K-nite from.

Just as a point of clarification, the only thing available to buy was organic matter manipulation. I don't want to argue for/against any strategy, but just point out the the K-nite creation is legal.

Devil Lance
Just one final point not that its gonna change anything but still to people who believe FS couldn't change that much of the field to Kryptonite look at this scan in which FS says he could turn the top inches of the earth's crust into water
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/fs_jla2.jpg
Thats a lot bigger than the 10 mile distance of our battlefield

Soljer
I'll throw my hat in Symmetric Chaos' pile.

Devil Lance
One last Point I would like to bring up isfor the point that Hawkmen would let FS sue nth metal is the fcat that if FS did go out of control with it HHawkman could just nullify it with the claw of horus
like he does here

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA24-05.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA24-06-07.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA24-06-07.jpg

psycho gundam
damn I read both cases over like twice, your both good.

Papa Smurph
eh if you were addressing me with the first post it's not that he out and out can't

it's more likely that he won't because that amount would likely kill Superman.

id369

Devil Lance
One Last thing I wouild Like to point out to people is that FS was ablle to turn ten stories of a building into water in seconds
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Ironboy/firestorm/JLA07109.jpg

proving he can manipulate large distances easilly

psycho gundam
damn, every time i want to say s. chaos, d. lance provides a good scan.

psycho gundam
one last thing. can firestorm create Nth metal?

Symmetric Chaos
I would like to point out that Flash's powers will allow Pete to shed the effects of K-nite poisoning as they happen.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashHypermetabolism2.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/FlashHypermetabolism.jpg

I'd also like to make the point that HV is not a way of lighting a little fire. It's very serious buisniness people.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3679/08222005125029pm5zg.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

Pete can use Flash's speed to look all around in a pico second while firing HV. The K-nite will not be a problem. Besides I've already proven that it's effect is minimal anyway.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by psycho gundam
one last thing. can firestorm create Nth metal?

He can create anything he can see like I showed people bfore he's made kryptonite and here a rookie inexperienced FS amkes Kryptonite again
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Ironboy/firestorm/FuryOfFirestorm_063_p15.jpg

If he can make that alien material why can't he make nth metal whe his partner has some on him for him tho analyze ?

SC hasn't said that he can't either
wink

psycho gundam
alright, gotta go with devil lance due to his ability to freely create excess
amounts of superman's chief weakness. sure the speed force will help with the recovery but the amount of k.nite that can be potentially created is a major problem. as long as your prep can save you from a inevitable speed blitz, the k.nite will logically soon follow.

Symmetric Chaos
Another feat:
Originally posted by Avlon
Supes containing an island sized nuclear explosion before it affects the surrounding environment, fusing it, and theneffortlessly tossing the explosion into the sun.

Note: This was also done right after exposure to kryptonite.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4246/suntoss7rv.th.jpg

I'm posting the quote in case someone doesn't believe he did that right after K-nite exposure.

Again we see Supes functioning pretty well after long term exposure to K-nite:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1629/supessick6jm.jpg


It's a weakness, sure, but not one he's had a ton of trouble with.

psycho gundam
superman looks pretty ill in that scan

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman looks pretty ill in that scan

He'd been exposed internally for a long time. I think I've more than proven that Pete can remove the K-nite with a glance.

Pete ill be shedding away the radiation damage and thanks to Karnak's skill I can shatter all of DL's defenses with a single blow.


Also, wide beam HV. He's not limited to destroy the K-nite bit by bit:
http://img16.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=6ce_supesdooms2.jpg

psycho gundam
hey guys, its apparently a 5-5 split decision so far. the last couple votes are super important.

to whoever "loses" this one, both debaters were great and the characters chosen would look like hell after the fight.

Evangel94
Since it is a tie vote, I will extend this match to 6PM for voting and making sure everyone gets a chance to vote.

Votes for Symmetric Chaos
TricksterPriest
Creshosk
darthgoober
Papa Smurph
Soljer

Votes for Devil Lance
DigiMark007
King Kandy
Bentley
id369
psycho gundam

id369
This is my fav match so far. ^__^

Blair Wind
Voting Devil Lance. Nth metal/Knite ftw

psycho gundam
indecisive victories don't appeal to most though

psycho gundam
6-5 devil lance smurphsmash! is left!!!!! :O

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
Since it is a tie vote, I will extend this match to 6PM for voting and making sure everyone gets a chance to vote.

Votes for Symmetric Chaos
TricksterPriest
Creshosk
darthgoober
Papa Smurph
Soljer

Votes for Devil Lance
DigiMark007
King Kandy
Bentley
id369
psycho gundam
Is that why my match with Trick hasn't started yet?

Devil Lance
Originally posted by darthgoober
Is that why my match with Trick hasn't started yet?

I guess so

Evangel94
Whomever has the most votes by 6 PM Central (which is in 15 minutes), is the winner.

Mr. Slippyfist
What would happen if there was another tie? shifty

Evangel94
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What would happen if there was another tie? shifty

2 minute warning.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Evangel94
2 minute warning.

It's past the time limit right?

So that Means I win Happy Dance

I'd like to thank SC for giving me one hell of a fight easily the best match in the tourney so far if I do say so myself.

Badabing
Evangel94, please let me know when you'd like this thread unpinned. Thanks you.

Symmetric Chaos
While I graciously accept my defeat I do plan to hunt down those who voted against me.

Evangel94
Originally posted by Badabing
Evangel94, please let me know when you'd like this thread unpinned. Thanks you.

You can unpin it now, and replace it with the new match between Goober and TricksterPriest.

Devil Lance
Originally posted by Evangel94
You can unpin it now, and replace it with the new match between Goober and TricksterPriest.

No final match thoughts? sad

Evangel94
Originally posted by Devil Lance
No final match thoughts? sad

I will post them later after I muddle the through the 'scanblitz' of this thread. There is alot of scans for me to look over.

King_Mungi
Special thanks to Mungi and his Hawkman respect thread is in order shifty

Devil Lance
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Special thanks to Mungi and his Hawkman respect thread is in order shifty

Yes it is smile (Plus your Onimar Synn one too)

Thanks Mungi for the great respect threads you have made

Evangel94
Originally posted by Devil Lance
No final match thoughts? sad

Votes for Symmetric Chaos: 5
TricksterPriest
Creshosk
darthgoober
Papa Smurph
Soljer

Votes for Devil Lance: 6
DigiMark007
King Kandy
Bentley
id369
psycho gundam
Blair Wind

Final Match Thoughts: It was a very close match with Devil Lance squeeking out a victory by one vote. Both competitors were very determined and fought back and forth in a scan war and a scanblitz. Even though Symmentric Chaos lost, he is still a very strong candidate to win, and may pull out future victories. Good job to both competitors.

However, the one thing that disappointed me was that nobody mentioned their battlefield at all. From the way they were talking, you could have thought they were fighting on a generic battlefield. Different battlefields are there for a reason. They can help you and hinder your opponent if you decide to use the terrain efficiently.

Also, I prefer to read a complete short summary of their strategy before viewing any actual scans. I think it would be a lot cleaner and efficient if all contestants posted their general strategies first without any links, THEN followup with any scans to support their claims.

But still, good match. Good competition.

Devil Lance wins his first "best of three" match. Symmetric Chaos, losses by one vote, but is still a very lethal threat with "Pete". Good luck in future matches to the both of you.

Match Over.

-Evangel94

darthgoober
Originally posted by Evangel94
Votes for Symmetric Chaos: 5
TricksterPriest
Creshosk
darthgoober
Papa Smurph
Soljer

Votes for Devil Lance: 6
DigiMark007
King Kandy
Bentley
id369
psycho gundam
Blair Wind

Final Match Thoughts: It was a very close match with Devil Lance squeeking out a victory by one vote. Both competitors were very determined and fought back and forth in a scan war and a scanblitz. Even though Symmentric Chaos lost, he is still a very strong candidate to win, and may pull out future victories. Good job to both competitors.

However, the one thing that disappointed me was that nobody mentioned their battlefield at all. From the way they were talking, you could have thought they were fighting on a generic battlefield. Different battlefields are there for a reason. They can help you and hinder your opponent if you decide to use the terrain efficiently.

Also, I prefer to read a complete short summary of their strategy before viewing any actual scans. I think it would be a lot cleaner and efficient if all contestants posted their general strategies first without any links, THEN followup with any scans to support their claims.

But still, good match. Good competition.

Devil Lance wins his first "best of three" match. Symmetric Chaos, losses by one vote, but is still a very lethal threat with "Pete". Good luck in future matches to the both of you.

Match Over.

-Evangel94
I understand your disappointment about the battlefield, but truth be told MOST battlefields don't really mean much to some of the characters that're involved in this thing. For instance, the sand storm in the desert location for me and Tricks match was all but meaningless because Trick and I had the bodies and powers of Silver Surfer and Waverider so the sandstorm had zero chance of hurting either of us, or even obscuring our vision truth be told.

As things progress, I'm sure there'll be instances of the battlefield playing a major part of someones strategy but those matches are more likely to be the exception rather than rule...

Evangel94
Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand your disappointment about the battlefield, but truth be told MOST battlefields don't really mean much to some of the characters that're involved in this thing. For instance, the sand storm in the desert location for me and Tricks match was all but meaningless because Trick and I had the bodies and powers of Silver Surfer and Waverider so the sandstorm had zero chance of hurting either of us, or even obscuring our vision truth be told.

As things progress, I'm sure there'll be instances of the battlefield playing a major part of someones strategy but those matches are more likely to be the exception rather than rule...

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Heralds have been caught unaware in the past despite their cosmic awareness and heightened abilities. If an opponent can successfully argue that he can catch your team off-guard, cause minor inconvenience for your team, or just use the terrain to his or her advantage, then it can only bring good things for them. Canyons, Ravines, Dinosaurs, Earthquakes....everything can be used to your advantage no matter how insignificant it may seem.

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