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Who wins?

I have never read any comics with Stayne in them so I really can't say

Here Stayne battles Takion, who later becomes the leader of the New God on New Genesis in Takion #4-5


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-01.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-02.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-03.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-04.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-05.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-22.jpg


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100502.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100503.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100504.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100505.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100507.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100508.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100509.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100510.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100511.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100512.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100513.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100514.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100515.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100516.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100517.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100518.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100519.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Here Stayne battles Takion, who later becomes the leader of the New God on New Genesis in Takion #4-5


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-01.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-02.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-03.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-04.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-05.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takion004-22.jpg


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100502.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100503.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100504.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100505.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100507.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100508.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100509.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100510.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100511.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100512.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100513.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100514.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100515.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100516.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100517.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100518.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Takionv100519.jpg

Thanks, Mungi

Thanos breaks Stayne into pieces.

Thanos 9/10

Stayne.

Considering that Stacks thinks otherwise, the logical choice would be to go with Stayne.

bumprav

meh, looks like firelord vs nova in the scans.

thanos looks pretty safe from either of them.

Stayne

Thanos destroys her.

Stayne.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Stayne. How does she put Thanos down,when Odin didnt put him down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does she put Thanos down,when Odin didnt put him down.
In a fair 1-on-1 match w/o CIS,
Odin omfgwtfpwns Thanos

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
In a fair 1-on-1 match w/o CIS,
Odin omfgwtfpwns Thanos So,if you ignore their encounter,Odin wins in your mind? Understood. Please reread this issue. Odin was going all out and was out for the kill. Thanos is just that durable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So,if you ignore their encounter,Odin wins in your mind? Understood. Please reread this issue. Odin was going all out and was out for the kill. Thanos is just that durable.

Does it matter?
Odin still kills Thanos in a fair 1-on-1 match.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does she put Thanos down,when Odin didnt put him down. My opinion is my opinion let it rest i loath debating with you on my good days.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Does it matter?
Odin still kills Thanos in a fair 1-on-1 match. I disagree,but dont want to derail this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
My opinion is my opinion let it rest i loath debating with you on my good days. I just wanted a reason. Fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just wanted a reason. Fine. My bad a little snappy today but i never really saw Thanos as a threat to Odin in their fight Stayne isn't Odin Level but she's closer to Odin than Thanos.

Originally posted by iceman24567
My bad a little snappy today but i never really saw Thanos as a threat to Odin in their fight Stayne isn't Odin Level but she's closer to Odin than Thanos. Imo she is nowhere near Thanos or Odin. She and Takion are in the Silver Surfer department,but arent as impressive as he is. But,I guess we just disagree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So,if you ignore their encounter,Odin wins in your mind? Understood. Please reread this issue. Odin was going all out and was out for the kill. Thanos is just that durable.

Odin going all out is nothing but your opinion as such was never stated in the book.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odin going all out is nothing but your opinion as such was never stated in the book.

You maybe think that Odin was going there for fun?

In your opinion, Odin was thinking this!?:

"Damn, Asgard is under attack by baaaaad boys! I will go down there and give them a little brawl, an go chill with them after it!"


Odin was all out, he try to kill Thanos, it's written. Plus, using his weapon isn't a proof in itself?!

I think that there are more levels of effort than just.

1) All out

and

2) Joking around

The fact is, the book never stated he was going all out, therefore such a claim is just speculation, speculation I might add that IMO doesn't hold up when taking a look at some of his previous fights.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odin going all out is nothing but your opinion as such was never stated in the book. Ill let Warlock answer this one for you.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-21.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think that there are more levels of effort than just.

1) All out

and

2) Joking around

The fact is, the book never stated he was going all out, therefore such a claim is just speculation, speculation I might add that IMO doesn't hold up when taking a look at some of his previous fights. Joking around......

He oneshotted the Surfer.

Here,he admits he means to kill Thanos.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-24.jpg

Maybe you think that killing someone is joking around,but really I have already proven this on herochat with you.

I never said he was joking around, try paying attention, I said that there were more levels of effort than those two extremes in response to Bouboumaster's post.

BTW, none of the scans said he was going "all out".

Originally posted by Silent Master
I never said he was joking around, try paying attention, I said that there were more levels of effort than those two extremes in response to Bouboumaster's post.

BTW, none of the scans said he was going "all out". We have been over this time and time again on herochat. It doesnt have to state in a comic that a character was going all out. Odin was out to kill him. Fact. Warlock even stated that it remained to be seen if Thanos could indeed challenge Odin. We saw it. He showed he can hang with Odin. It happened right in the comic. Then Odin saluted him as one of the greatest opponents he had ever faced. Fact.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock25-33.jpg

Odin thought he won,but he hadnt.

I agree with all Quanchi have said so far, but the fact that Odin win the fight.

Odin have overwhelmed Thanos in this fight, it's pretty clear. But it proves that Thanos is a tough SOB, and he his a member of the select class of Skyfather lvler.

And again, none of that proves he was going all out, the most that it proves is that he wanted to kill Thanos.

Quan has actually claimed that Thanos could beat Odin. Or that Odin would not take 10/10. The words "Thanos loses" will never come from his lips if the opponent is most DC characters, and quite a few marvel ones.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quan has actually claimed that Thanos could beat Odin. Or that Odin would not take 10/10. The words "Thanos loses" will never come from his lips if the opponent is most DC characters, and quite a few marvel ones.

But still, are you agree with some arguments he gived?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quan has actually claimed that Thanos could beat Odin. Or that Odin would not take 10/10. The words "Thanos loses" will never come from his lips if the opponent is most DC characters, and quite a few marvel ones.

It would be fine if he just said "IMO Odin was going all out" and agreed to disagree with people that had a different opinion, however he's acting like it's a fact and that anyone that has a different opinion is wrong.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It would be fine if he just said "IMO Odin was going all out" and agreed to disagree with people that had a different opinion, however he's acting like it's a fact and that anyone that has a different opinion is wrong.

You have both a different opinion, but it doesn't mean that you are right. On this one, I go with Quan. It's pretty clear that Odin was going for the kill on this pages.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And again, none of that proves he was going all out, the most that it proves is that he wanted to kill Thanos. What proves he wasnt going all out? You ignore every scan I put up. So what evidence do you have to support your case?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quan has actually claimed that Thanos could beat Odin. Or that Odin would not take 10/10. The words "Thanos loses" will never come from his lips if the opponent is most DC characters, and quite a few marvel ones. Thanos has been upgraded since this fight imo. I think Thanos would beat him. Its my opinion. Thats all.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
You have both a different opinion, but it doesn't mean that you are right. On this one, I go with Quan. It's pretty clear that Odin was going for the kill on this pages.

Actually seeing as my "opinion" is that there is no proof that Odin was going all out means that either I'm right or for some reason Quan and you have been withholding the proof. because as of yet nothing that he has posted has proven that Odin was indeed going all out.

i would imagine that unless it is stated on panel that a character is going all out defeat an opponent.....anything else could be called an assumption....and u know what benny hill said when u assume.....

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3712/customsig108017ivwe0.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quan has actually claimed that Thanos could beat Odin. Or that Odin would not take 10/10. The words "Thanos loses" will never come from his lips if the opponent is most DC characters, and quite a few marvel ones.
That's pretty funny since you almost never give the win to marvel characters. Hypocrisy actually I guess is some kind of virtue according to you.

I have never made the outrageous claims that Thanos fanboys do. And usually I'm defending Superman, Darkseid or other high end guys, against losers who have no business even trying to beat them.

like WWH vs. Superman, or Silver Surfer vs. Darkseid, or Doomsday vs. Thanos.

You've never made any outrageous claims? Oh please. I mean just this post you implied that Thanos has no chance against Doomsday.

And what's outrageous about that? Minus BFR, he's not beating H/P Doomsday. Or Gog Wars. He might beat Rex, but I'm unsure.

When was the last time you gave a marvel character the win against Darkseid and didn't call it spite?

Originally posted by lannfear
i would imagine that unless it is stated on panel that a character is going all out defeat an opponent.....anything else could be called an assumption....and u know what benny hill said when u assume.....

I had this out with Silent master who is known as snakeyes on herochat. I actually cornered him on there before. Odin has never been stated as to going all out in any comic,so he couldnt give me one example of Odin going all out to meet his requirements. He demands a black and white statement,while ignoring the character's words and actions of this comic book.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And what's outrageous about that? Minus BFR, he's not beating H/P Doomsday. Or Gog Wars. He might beat Rex, but I'm unsure. Doomsday only beat a weaker Superman in hunter and prey and darkseid. He beat darkseid from behind. Thats it. Thanos would maul him imo.

Still Stayne

Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Still Stayne Who is the most powerful character that she has beaten?

Takion...
well, almost.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Takion...
well, almost. Who has she actually beaten?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually seeing as my "opinion" is that there is no proof that Odin was going all out means that either I'm right or for some reason Quan and you have been withholding the proof. because as of yet nothing that he has posted has proven that Odin was indeed going all out.

You have to completly ignore the scan to say that.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
You have to completly ignore the scan to say that. He does it all the time on herochat. LOL.

My previous post wont get answered. Wait and see. Those who gave stayne the win, cant give me the name of one character that she beat thats impressive.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
You have to completly ignore the scan to say that.

Really, In that case tell me what part of the scan actually says that Odin is going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Really, In that case tell me what part of the scan actually says that Odin is going all out.

In that one: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512590

After that, you have to use common sens.


You do know Gugnir, right?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512631


There: Odin actually try to kill Thanos (note that BRB and Sif are talking about how these two waste Asgard during the fight. Do you think a "Oh, I'll just gonna get out to stop these bad boys!" Odin would do this amount of damage to his own land?:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512641


Odin isn't testing Thanos, there. He try to kill him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512650

Finally, Odin respect Thanos, because he's a real dude, while Surfer ave been one-shotted.

Here, Thanos is bad ass. It's proving nothing, but eh!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512666

So, it's not written in these page that Odin was using all his might, but it don't take Einstein to conjecture it.

thanos

Snipped scans as none of them proved what I asked, which you even admitted below.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
So, it's not written in these page that Odin was using all his might,

IOW, you have no actual proof that he was going all out, which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Thank you

Originally posted by Silent Master
Snipped scans as none of them proved what I asked, which you even admitted below.



IOW, you have no actual proof that he was going all out, which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Thank you

"And I added that: So, it's not written in these page that Odin was using all his might, but it don't take Einstein to conjecture it."

I think that you just ignore the facts, because it help your case. That's just ignorance. The art are on my side, and the talk between Odin and Thanos too.

Believe what you want, but in that case, you are, like Lex Luthor said, WRONG!

There is a rather large difference between "fact" and "speculation", you have admitted that it was never stated in the comic that Odin was going all out, that means you are speculating.

Which in turn means that I was correct when I stated that there is no proof that Odin was going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There is a rather large difference between "fact" and "speculation", you have admitted that it was never stated in the comic that Odin was going all out, that means you are speculating.

Which in turn means that I was correct when I stated that there is no proof that Odin was going all out.

Like I said, you have completly ignored what Odin and Thanos said, plus the art.

Sorry, I have difficulty to debate well, my knowledge in english is far to poor...

Hey Silent as Quan said show me one comice and post the scans where Odin himself says he's going all out giving it all his might. If you can produce a scan then and then only will we say Odin could have another level. However, without that and in this fight him saying he's trying to kill Thanos and even pulling out his weapon of choice to deal the killing blow I think it's pretty safe to say he was giving a lot of power. So, show me these other scans of Odin fights or else your argument lacks substance or validity

My argument is that the comic doesn't say he is going all out, Though I do find it funny how people keep trying to shift the topic by going off on tangents and acting like it's the other person's job to disprove speculation.

Originally posted by Silent Master
My argument is that the comic doesn't say he is going all out, Though I do find it funny how people keep trying to shift the topic by going off on tangents and acting like it's the other person's job to disprove speculation.

Normally, you should bring something to your argument.

Until you bring something that prove that Odin wasn't all out, you are wrong.

Originally posted by Silent Master
it's the other person's job to disprove speculation. Didn't you know? It's the new shit.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Normally, you should bring something to your argument.

Until you bring something that prove that Odin wasn't all out, you are wrong.

My argument is that the comic never stated he was going all out, therefore my proof is the comic itself. BTW, even you have admitted that the comic never said he was going all out.

Silent you never answered my question. Show me a comic where Odin said he was going all out giving it all his might. Find me the comic where he's fighting someone and says this and then you have a valid argument. If you can't by him saying he's trying to kill Thanos, the destruction the fight caused to Asgard and him pulling out his spear I think it's pretty safe to say he was bloodlusted and giving it all or pretty close to call his might

My argument is that Odin was never stated to be going all out in the fight with Thanos and that therefore any claims that he was is just speculation, Odin's other fights and what may or may not have been said during them are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Silent you never answered my question. Show me a comic where Odin said he was going all out giving it all his might. Find me the comic where he's fighting someone and says this and then you have a valid argument. If you can't by him saying he's trying to kill Thanos, the destruction the fight caused to Asgard and him pulling out his spear I think it's pretty safe to say he was bloodlusted and giving it all or pretty close to call his might He wont answer any questions,but will troll to no end ranting and raving about Odin holding back when the comic tells us differently.

Actually, repeatedly asking questions that have no bearing on the topic at hand would be closer to the definition of trolling than refusing to answer off-topic questions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, repeatedly asking questions that have no bearing on the topic at hand would be closer to the definition of trolling than refusing to answer off-topic questions. What evidence do you have in the comic that he wasnt going all out?

I never claimed that issue proved that he wasn't going out, I said that it never stated that he was going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I never claimed that issue proved that he wasn't going out, I said that it never stated that he was going all out.

so do you think odin set out not to harm thanos.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I never claimed that issue proved that he wasn't going out, I said that it never stated that he was going all out. Have there been any comics concerning Odin, that have stated that he was going all out?

Originally posted by skyfather
so do you think odin set out not to harm thanos.

Why must it either be Odin was "going all out" or "not trying to harm"?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Have there been any comics concerning Odin, that have stated that he was going all out?

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why must it either be Odin was "going all out" or "not trying to harm"?



What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Because you stated that as your only reason. It would seem a bit silly to me to state that as your only reason,when Odin has never been stated as going all out before. Dont you think?

So,I guess you have nothing in the actual comic to support you at all.

Seeing as my argument is that the comic never stated he was going all out, the entire comic backs me up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seeing as my argument is that the comic never stated he was going all out, the entire comic backs me up. Your asking me to prove a negative. It also has never been stated in any book. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seeing as my argument is that the comic never stated he was going all out, the entire comic backs me up.

I don't think so.

You use the comic like you want. But the art, and the dialogue are with us.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't think so.

You use the comic like you want. But the art, and the dialogue are with us. He just trolls on herochat,while avoiding any question that comes his way. He has no evidence at all.

Wrong because ths is implying he does do so and therefore since it didn't specifically state he was like previous times he wasn't. You see your conclusion assumes he has stated so otherwise yet you can prove no such thing. Wouldn't the more logical assumption be that since he doesn't EVER say such a thing therefore in this fight he wouldn't as well? That is the more reasonable assumption. Your is well he didn't say it so therefore it's not possible even though you have no evidence supporting that premise and conclusion that he usually does. It's quite simple and the more you argue that it has no relevance the more you look like silly

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because you stated that as your only reason. It would seem a bit silly to me to state that as your only reason,when Odin has never been stated as going all out before. Dont you think?

So,I guess you have nothing in the actual comic to support you at all.
Quan, SM isn't claiming that Odin was holding back so there's no need for so firm a stance, he's just debating the claim that he was specifically going all out. And he's right because the claim is no more supported on panel than the claim that Thanos only survived because Odin was taking it easy on him.

That doesn't mean that Odin wasn't trying his damnedest because that much was obvious from the dialog, but actually unloading with everything they have is a rarity for pretty much any character because it leaves them completely spent afterwards(see Sentry/WWH). As someone already pointed out, there are more options available than "Odin was toying with him" and "Odin unloaded with everything he had". Odin was unable to put down Thanos despite his best efforts(that much is true), but the fact that both were still standing and ready to go at it again means that they both still had some power left in them.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't think so.

You use the comic like you want. But the art, and the dialogue are with us.
Incorrect, there is nothing in the art or dialogue that actually says Odin is going all out.

Again, there is a difference between real proof and speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He just trolls on herochat,while avoiding any question that comes his way. He has no evidence at all.

My evidence that the comic doesn't state Odin was going all out is the comic itself.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wrong because ths is implying he does do so and therefore since it didn't specifically state he was like previous times he wasn't. You see your conclusion assumes he has stated so otherwise yet you can prove no such thing. Wouldn't the more logical assumption be that since he doesn't EVER say such a thing therefore in this fight he wouldn't as well? That is the more reasonable assumption. Your is well he didn't say it so therefore it's not possible even though you have no evidence supporting that premise and conclusion that he usually does. It's quite simple and the more you argue that it has no relevance the more you look like silly

Again, my statement is that the comic never stated he was going all out, and guess what? that statement is correct as nowhere in the comic does is ever actually say that Odin was going all out.

You are the one that is using speculation in order to claim that he was.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Quan, SM isn't claiming that Odin was holding back so there's no need for so firm a stance, he's just debating the claim that he was specifically going all out. And he's right because the claim is no more supported on panel than the claim that Thanos only survived because Odin was taking it easy on him.

That doesn't mean that Odin wasn't trying his damnedest because that much was obvious from the dialog, but actually unloading with everything they have is a rarity for pretty much any character because it leaves them completely spent afterwards(see Sentry/WWH). As someone already pointed out, there are more options available than "Odin was toying with him" and "Odin unloaded with everything he had". Odin was unable to put down Thanos despite his best efforts(that much is true), but the fact that both were still standing and ready to go at it again means that they both still had some power left in them.

Exactly, I'm not saying he was going easy on Thanos, I'm just saying that the claim of "Odin was going all out" is speculation as the comic never made that statement.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin,FP Tyrant,LT all jumped on Thanos to the best of ther abilites and did nothing.

I see, but where does this happen on-panel...is it even stated?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, I'm not saying he was going easy on Thanos, I'm just saying that the claim of "Odin was going all out" is speculation as the comic never made that statement.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, I'm not saying he was going easy on Thanos, I'm just saying that the claim of "Odin was going all out" is speculation as the comic never made that statement.

I didnt see any galaxy busters?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, there is nothing in the art or dialogue that actually says Odin is going all out.

Again, there is a difference between real proof and speculation.



My evidence that the comic doesn't state Odin was going all out is the comic itself.



Again, my statement is that the comic never stated he was going all out, and guess what? that statement is correct as nowhere in the comic does is ever actually say that Odin was going all out.

You are the one that is using speculation in order to claim that he was. There hasnt been a comic stating that Odin has never went all out,so are you saying he never has?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I didnt see any galaxy busters? He didnt destroy a galaxy when he fought the Celestials either.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I see, but where does this happen on-panel...is it even stated?
When did Quan make that claim because when when I track that post number this is what I get...

Originally posted by quanchi112
He just trolls on herochat,while avoiding any question that comes his way. He has no evidence at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Quan, SM isn't claiming that Odin was holding back so there's no need for so firm a stance, he's just debating the claim that he was specifically going all out. And he's right because the claim is no more supported on panel than the claim that Thanos only survived because Odin was taking it easy on him.

That doesn't mean that Odin wasn't trying his damnedest because that much was obvious from the dialog, but actually unloading with everything they have is a rarity for pretty much any character because it leaves them completely spent afterwards(see Sentry/WWH). As someone already pointed out, there are more options available than "Odin was toying with him" and "Odin unloaded with everything he had". Odin was unable to put down Thanos despite his best efforts(that much is true), but the fact that both were still standing and ready to go at it again means that they both still had some power left in them. When has Odin ever drained himself on the battlefield?

I know Sentry and WW Hulk have,but when has Odin?

Just because a galaxy wasnt destroyed that doesnt mean he wasnt going all out. Collateral damage doesnt make for a good argument imo.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I see, but where does this happen on-panel...is it even stated? Reported for changing my quote.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There hasnt been a comic stating that Odin has never went all out,so are you saying he never has?


See, even you admit that Odin wasn't stated to be going all out during the Thanos fight.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Quan make that claim because when when I track that post number this is what I get...

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Quan make that claim because when when I track that post number this is what I get...

Srry thats just how all of his post come off my bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reported for changing my quote.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reported for changing my quote.

****ing douple post, srry my comp is acitng up and it wont let me delete them. Anyhow i didnt change anything, i jus cut through the BS and saw what u really wanted to say.

Originally posted by darthgoober
When did Quan make that claim because when when I track that post number this is what I get...

Originally posted by quanchi112
He just trolls on herochat,while avoiding any question that comes his way. He has no evidence at all.

BTW, that post of his isn't even true as I've posted multiple scans on this board in just the last few days.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
****ing douple post, srry my comp is acitng up and it wont let me delete them. Anyhow i didnt change anything, i jus cut through the BS and saw what u really wanted to say. So, you altered my post in an attempt to lie about what I posted and to defame me. We have to all learn to get along. Just dont do it again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, that post of his isn't even true as I've posted multiple scans on this board in just the last few days. I was speaking about what occurs on herochat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So, you altered my post in an attempt to lie about what I posted and to defame me. We have to all learn to get along. Just dont do it again.

Quan, we will get along as soon as u just admit certain truths. Is it so freaking hard to type"Odin was not going all out"...I mean whats the harm of it really. Thanos still did manage to take some hits so what difference does it make?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Quan, we will get along as soon as u just admit certain truths. Is it so freaking hard to type"Odin was not going all out"...I mean whats the harm of it really. Thanos still did manage to take some hits so what difference does it make? Odin was going all out imo. You disagree,but I have shown scans that support my interpretation of the comic. We just disagree,thats all.

I'd settle for, "there is no proof that Odin was going all out".

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd settle for, "there is no proof that Odin was going all out". There was,you just choose to disagree with it. i have already posted my proof. We just disagree. There is no proof that he wasnt going all out either if we go by what your demands.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There was,

No there isn't, proof and speculation aren't the same thing.



Correction, I have chosen to disgaree with your speculation, BTW; speculation isn't the same thing as proof.




No, you've posted your speculation, which once again isn't the same thing as proof.



Mainly because you are under the false assumption that speculation and proof are the same thing.



You are the only one claiming that there is proof, my stance is that the comic never said he was going all out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Odin ever drained himself on the battlefield?

I know Sentry and WW Hulk have,but when has Odin?
Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because a galaxy wasnt destroyed that doesnt mean he wasnt going all out. Collateral damage doesnt make for a good argument imo.

Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.



Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating.

IMO, thanos was out of it...he looked like he could only endure for a short period more before his eventual defeat.

^^^^^^ speculation. Again Silent couldn't also be assumed that since Odin never states he's going all out that he could very well have been going all out? Whether it was all out or not the fact remains he was using a great deal of force to kill Thanos.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
IMO, thanos was out of it...he looked like he could only endure for a short period more before his eventual defeat.
And that's a perfectly acceptable opinion to have. Others might disagree, but as long as the opinion is recognized as such it's all good.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
^^^^^^ speculation. Again Silent couldn't also be assumed that since Odin never states he's going all out that he could very well have been going all out? Whether it was all out or not the fact remains he was using a great deal of force to kill Thanos.

You can assume and speculate all you want, as long as you admit that your assumptions and speculations aren't proof. Again, my statement was that there was no actual proof in the comic that Odin was going all out.

BTW, I should add that my stance was and is 100% correct as there is no statement by either the characters or in the narration that states Odin was indeed going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No there isn't, proof and speculation aren't the same thing.



Correction, I have chosen to disgaree with your speculation, BTW; speculation isn't the same thing as proof.




No, you've posted your speculation, which once again isn't the same thing as proof.



Mainly because you are under the false assumption that speculation and proof are the same thing.



You are the only one claiming that there is proof, my stance is that the comic never said he was going all out. No comic has stated this,so I guess he has never gone out, according to you.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Never all at once Sentry style that I know of. BUT as far as getting worn out over the course of a battle... I can almost guarantee it happened in his battle with Set and to a far greater degree than he showed in the Thanos fight.



Collateral damage isn't good indication, but the fact that Odin was still ready for more is. But by the same token, since Thanos had more power available and was ready for more it means that no one can rightly claim that he'd gone all out yet either.

See I think the problem is that you and SM are debating different things. There are at least two different ways of interpreting the phrase "going all out". The first means that a character is really trying to put the other guy down and isn't specifically holding back power for fear of injuring his opponent, this is what your doing. The other meas that a character expends all his power AND reserves in one last ditch effort that leaves them spent(since their reserves are gone also), and that's the usage that SM is debating. A character doesnt have to expend all their energy to prove they were going all out. Odin never expended even close to all of his energy,even when he lost to the Celestials. The battle with Seth was more epic but just because more collateral damage was caused,that doesnt mean he didnt try as hard against Thanos. He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos.

This fight proved that Thanos could take Odin's power on from a durability standpoint. Thanos offensively didnt hurt him significantly though. But,Thanos proved that he could take an Odin assault for quite some time. He wasnt beaten yet.

But,Odin has never spent all of his energies before in any other fight. It isnt like Odin is undefeated either. See my point?

So are you claiming that Odin used the same amount of power against Thanos that he did against Seth?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So are you claiming that Odin used the same amount of power against Thanos that he did against Seth? Odin was out to kill Thanos. I am saying he wasnt holding back anything. You dont have to expend all your energy to show you arent holding back imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin was out to kill Thanos. I am saying he wasnt holding back anything. You dont have to expend all your energy to show you arent holding back imo.

So, did he use as much power in his fight against Thanos that he used against Seth?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, did he use as much power in his fight against Thanos that he used against Seth? Let me ask something. You wont answer any of my questions,then demand I answer yours. doesnt work that way. Is it your opinion that Odin went all out against seth?

IMO he used much more power in the Seth fight, whether he used all the power he could have, I have no way of proving it one way or the other as I don't recall such being stated in the comic.

Now that I've answered a question of yours, Did Odin use the same amount of power in both the Thanos and Seth fights?

Originally posted by quanchi112
A character doesnt have to expend all their energy to prove they were going all out. Odin never expended even close to all of his energy,even when he lost to the Celestials. The battle with Seth was more epic but just because more collateral damage was caused,that doesnt mean he didnt try as hard against Thanos. He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos.
I didn't say that they HAD to expend all their energy for the term to be applicable, in fact I specifically listed your interpretation as being just as valid as SM's.

And truth be told, there are far more characters who've NEVER went all out than there are characters who have. Thanos, Surfer, Odin... hell Jubilee for that matter, we've never positively seen ANY of their maximum power output because none of them have ever been given a definite limit yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This fight proved that Thanos could take Odin's power on from a durability standpoint. Thanos offensively didnt hurt him significantly though. But,Thanos proved that he could take an Odin assault for quite some time. He wasnt beaten yet.
Yes it did prove that Thanos could take Odin's power in the manner in which you're speaking, but it in no way indicated that he could handle Odin's power in the way that SM is referring to. That's why I said that your two are debating different things. And you know what... you're both right. Odin WAS trying his damnedest to put Thanos down(which is what you're saying), but at no point was it established that Odin was putting all the energy he had available into a major assault on Thanos(which is what SM is saying). See you're arguing that Odin was fighting at peak capacity(which he was) and SM is arguing that Odin never went Sentry/WWH on Thanos.

That's why the debate is pointless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But,Odin has never spent all of his energies before in any other fight. It isnt like Odin is undefeated either. See my point?
Not really unless your point is that Odin's wasn't shown to go all out in the manner to which SM's referring to in his fight with Thanos. If he's still got energy left to fight with, then he didn't release ALL of his power at his opponent.

Isn't this really a no-limits fallacy to say Odin wasn't going all out? Because by that logic you can just say that whoever he stalemated he would have easily beat had he gone all out.

Odin vs. Celestials? Doesn't count, he wasn't going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IMO he used much more power in the Seth fight, whether he used all the power he could have, I have no way of proving it one way or the other as I don't recall such being stated in the comic.

Now that I've answered a question of yours, Did Odin use the same amount of power in both the Thanos and Seth fights? I see no reason he wasnt using the same power. He wanted to win in both situations. Collateral damage isnt always indicative of someone's power level. There was less collateral damage involved with the Celestials and Odin than some of Odin's other battles.

Nobody is trying to grant Odin unlimited power, we are just pointing out that Odin was never stated to be going all out in a specific fight(which IMO is one of his less impressive ones) and that therefore any claims that he was is just speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see no reason he wasnt using the same power. He wanted to win in both situations. Collateral damage isnt always indicative of someone's power level. There was less collateral damage involved with the Celestials and Odin than some of Odin's other battles.

Is that a "yes" to my question?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that they HAD to expend all their energy for the term to be applicable, in fact I specifically listed your interpretation as being just as valid as SM's.

And truth be told, there are far more characters who've NEVER went all out than there are characters who have. Thanos, Surfer, Odin... hell Jubilee for that matter, we've never positively seen ANY of their maximum power output because none of them have ever been given a definite limit yet.


Yes it did prove that Thanos could take Odin's power in the manner in which you're speaking, but it in no way indicated that he could handle Odin's power in the way that SM is referring to. That's why I said that your two are debating different things. And you know what... you're both right. Odin WAS trying his damnedest to put Thanos down(which is what you're saying), but at no point was it established that Odin was putting all the energy he had available into a major assault on Thanos(which is what SM is saying). See you're arguing that Odin was fighting at peak capacity(which he was) and SM is arguing that Odin never went Sentry/WWH on Thanos.

That's why the debate is pointless.


Not really unless your point is that Odin's wasn't shown to go all out in the manner to which SM's referring to in his fight with Thanos. If he's still got energy left to fight with, then he didn't release ALL of his power at his opponent. Ok,so you agree that Odin tried his hardest. Thats all i was saying. Thanos and Odin were both trying to defeat the other one and werent holding anything back. Thats my point.

Different writers interpret power levels differently. This writer gave us the only fight concerning these two. Thanos seemed more than capable of taking Odin's assault. Thanos didnt seem like he had the overall power at the time of this fight to beat Odin.

Sentry vs. WW Hulk is pointless to relate to this because very few characters have ever burned themselves out battling another one. To me, a character doesnt have to burn themselves out to prove they were going all out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is that a "yes" to my question? Odin wanted to beat both Seth and Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin wanted to beat both Seth and Thanos.

So you're saying that Odin used the same amount of power in both fights?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're saying that Odin used the same amount of power in both fights? he wasnt holding back in either case. Thats what I am saying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he wasnt holding back in either case. Thats what I am saying.

That wasn't the question I asked.

I asked if Odin used the same amount of power in both fights, it's a simple yes or no question.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Isn't this really a no-limits fallacy to say Odin wasn't going all out? Because by that logic you can just say that whoever he stalemated he would have easily beat had he gone all out.

Odin vs. Celestials? Doesn't count, he wasn't going all out.
No one is actually making the claim that he wasn't going all out(though it probably seemed like I was rather than just balancing out the argument which is what I'd originally intended). What's being debated is the stance that Odin absolutely WAS going all out. There's logical points both for and against the assumption and it was never expressly stated, and because of that making the claim one way or the other with absolute certainty is speculation.

Saying "Odin couldn't put down Thanos when they were fighting" is absolutely accurate. But saying that Odin was OR wasn't going all out is pure speculation because it was never covered.

It's no different than assuming that Flash is going at his maximum speed during a blitz without it expressly being stated just because he's pissed off at his opponent.

I'm talking in reference to people like Galen who keep saying "Odin was holding back in that fight."

Originally posted by Silent Master
That wasn't the question I asked.

I asked if Odin used the same amount of power in both fights, it's a simple yes or no question. Odin wanted to put both down. different writers have different characters doing different things. Both writers had intended for Odin to try his hardest to put down both Thanos and Seth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin wanted to put both down. different writers have different characters doing different things. Both writers had intended for Odin to try his hardest to put down both Thanos and Seth.

Again, that isn't the question I asked.

I asked a simple yes or no question, did Odin use the same amount of power in both fights?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,so you agree that Odin tried his hardest. Thats all i was saying. Thanos and Odin were both trying to defeat the other one and werent holding anything back. Thats my point.

Different writers interpret power levels differently. This writer gave us the only fight concerning these two. Thanos seemed more than capable of taking Odin's assault. Thanos didnt seem like he had the overall power at the time of this fight to beat Odin.

Sentry vs. WW Hulk is pointless to relate to this because very few characters have ever burned themselves out battling another one. To me, a character doesnt have to burn themselves out to prove they were going all out.
Cool.

But characters burning out is no where near as uncommon as you'd think, and it's almost always accompanied by a statement that actually indicates their putting everything they have into their attack. Sentry/WWH, Supes/DD(from the DOS saga), Ironman/Surfer, Ironman/Hulk, and any number of other confrontations in comics all end the exact same way. A statement is made about their putting everything they have into their attack, they attack, they're drained and helpless(and often collapse) when the attack is finished.

Now that kind of thing doesn't happen all that often compared to the total number of fights that go down in comics, but the reason for that is because it's a last ditch effort tactic that most characters refrain from because of the vulnerability that follows. Think of it in terms of boxing. An uppercut is a boxer's most powerful punch and has the absolute highest damage output and KO capacity but it's not used as often as crosses and hooks because it's more tiring, harder to land, and leaves you open if you miss. Now that doesn't mean that someone who's throwing a barrage of hooks and crosses at full strength instead relying solely on uppercuts is intentionally holding back against his opponent though, it just means that for whatever reason he decided a different and smarter tactic.

Whether or not Thanos successfully took Odin's "uppercut" in no way takes away from the fact that he took every jab, cross, and hook that Odin threw his way and kept on coming back for more. But at the same time, Thanos successfully taking all those jabs, hooks, and crosses doesn't mean that someone can say he took an uppercut if one was never thrown during the fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, that isn't the question I asked.

I asked a simple yes or no question, did Odin use the same amount of power in both fights? Yes,they both did according to each writer. The same writer obviously, didnt write both of these stories.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool.

But characters burning out is no where near as uncommon as you'd think, and it's almost always accompanied by a statement that actually indicates their putting everything they have into their attack. Sentry/WWH, Supes/DD(from the DOS saga), Ironman/Surfer, Ironman/Hulk, and any number of other confrontations in comics all end the exact same way. A statement is made about their putting everything they have into their attack, they attack, they're drained and helpless(and often collapse) when the attack is finished.

Now that kind of thing doesn't happen all that often compared to the total number of fights that go down in comics, but the reason for that is because it's a last ditch effort tactic that most characters refrain from because of the vulnerability that follows. Think of it in terms of boxing. An uppercut is a boxer's most powerful punch and has the absolute highest damage output and KO capacity but it's not used as often as crosses and hooks because it's more tiring, harder to land, and leaves you open if you miss. Now that doesn't mean that someone who's throwing a barrage of hooks and crosses at full strength instead relying solely on uppercuts is intentionally holding back against his opponent though, it just means that for whatever reason he decided a different and smarter tactic.

Whether or not Thanos successfully took Odin's "uppercut" though in no way takes away from the fact that he took every jab, cross, and hook that Odin threw his way and kept on coming back for more. But at the same time, Thanos successfully taking all those jabs, hooks, and crosses doesn't mean that someone can say he took an uppercut if one was never thrown during the fight. I understand what you are saying. I get the point. Its just I thought warlocks words,coupled with Odin admitting he was out to kill Thanos that he wasnt holding back. There is nothing in that particular comic to suggest he was. Now,if we get and lump all of Odin's appearances and his highest moments then it looks like collateral damage wise he could have thrown more. But,different strokes for different folks. This writer saw Thanos more than able to withstand an "out for the kill"Odin. Thats all we can go on.


We shouldnt reference other high moments of Odin and compare it to this struggle. Different writer. Just because owaw Superman pulls off some nutty shit,that doesnt mean if he doesnt pull tha same type of shit out again in a future comic that Superman was holding back. Feel me?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,they both did according to each writer. The same writer obviously, didnt write both of these stories.

Try again, this time leave out the qualifiers and give me a direct answer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understand what you are saying. I get the point. Its just I thought warlocks words,coupled with Odin admitting he was out to kill Thanos that he wasnt holding back. There is nothing in that particular comic to suggest he was. Now,if we get and lump all of Odin's appearances and his highest moments then it looks like collateral damage wise he could have thrown more. But,different strokes for different folks. This writer saw Thanos more than able to withstand an "out for the kill"Odin. Thats all we can go on.


We shouldnt reference other high moments of Odin and compare it to this struggle. Different writer. Just because owaw Superman pulls off some nutty shit,that doesnt mean if he doesnt pull tha same type of shit out again in a future comic that Superman was holding back. Feel me?
Indeed I do and I agree completely. It's really no different than Surfer's fights since he easily created a blackhole with an energy blast. Just because black holes don't form when he blasts his opponents now it doesn't necessarily mean that he's holding back, it could mean he's using a different type of blast and different blasts do different things depending on the specific type of energy utilized for the attack in question(or any number of other variables).

Having an opinion one way or the other is fine, my issue is with people assuming either way with certainty without it being specifically stated.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try again, this time leave out the qualifiers and give me a direct answer. I have answered you. Originally posted by darthgoober
Indeed I do and I agree completely. It's really no different than Surfer's fights since he easily created a blackhole with an energy blast. Just because black holes don't form when he blasts his opponents now it doesn't necessarily mean that he's holding back, it could mean he's using a different type of blast and different blasts do different things depending on the specific type of energy utilized for the attack in question(or any number of other variables).

Having an opinion one way or the other is fine, my issue is with people assuming either way with certainty without it being specifically stated. See, darthgoober got it and he agrees.

I think the reason Thanos gets called out here is because most cant accept Thanos taking Odin's shit. They need to justify it by saying that Odin was holding back even though I dont think there is any evidence to suggest that in this comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have answered you.

No, you gave an answer and then added qualifiers to it so as to make the answer worthless for what I was asking.

I didn't ask if each of the writers wrote what they thought was Odin's power level, I asked if Odin actually used the same amount of power, as in, would Thanos have fared as well if he replaced Seth during that battle?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think the reason Thanos gets called out here is because most cant accept Thanos taking Odin's shit. They need to justify it by saying that Odin was holding back even though I dont think there is any evidence to suggest that in this comic.
I understand, but you have to be careful not to swing to far to the other side of the fence too. Let Galan and the other guys make the baseless claim that Odin was holding back, it's better to point out their error in reasoning than to start espousing it yourself with the claim that he was going all out. It's an effective tactic in showing others the folly in their thinking, but if you start it then technically they're showing you the folly of yours.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand, but you have to be careful not to swing to far to the other side of the fence too. Let Galan and the other guys make the baseless claim that Odin was holding back, it's better to point out their error in reasoning than to start espousing it yourself with the claim that he was going all out. It's an effective tactic in showing others the folly in their thinking, but if you start it then technically they're showing you the folly of yours.

All I ever said was"IMO I don't think Odin was going all out" and it isnt to justify anything. Looking from the context of the story, Odin isnt a merciless tyrant out for blood and he doesnt kill people for no good reason. He didnt have the motive to be bloodlusted or kill Thanos for no good reason...are we to expect Odin just goes around killing peeps now for the thrill of it. The narrative in the fight and even Odins own words imply he migh have underestimated Thanos but was soon ready to put some real effort into the battle.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
All I ever said was"IMO I don't think Odin was going all out" and it isnt to justify anything. Looking from the context of the story, Odin isnt a merciless tyrant out for blood and he doesnt kill people for no good reason. He didnt have the motive to be bloodlusted or kill Thanos for no good reason...are we to expect Odin just goes around killing peeps now for the thrill of it. The narrative in the fight and even Odins own words imply he migh have underestimated Thanos but was soon ready to put some real effort into the battle. Did you miss the scan from a few pages back? He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos. He kinda has a rep.

Originally posted by joshypooh
Did you miss the scan from a few pages back? He admitted he wanted to kill Thanos. He kinda has a rep.

I saw it, still doesnt convince he was trully bloolusted.

You realize that he thought Thanos had kidnapped and imprisoned Thor right?

Stayne loses horribly.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you gave an answer and then added qualifiers to it so as to make the answer worthless for what I was asking.

I didn't ask if each of the writers wrote what they thought was Odin's power level, I asked if Odin actually used the same amount of power, as in, would Thanos have fared as well if he replaced Seth during that battle? I go by what was in this comic. I dont have to look at other comics here to figure out what the writer intended for this one. Odin meant serious business in both storylines. Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand, but you have to be careful not to swing to far to the other side of the fence too. Let Galan and the other guys make the baseless claim that Odin was holding back, it's better to point out their error in reasoning than to start espousing it yourself with the claim that he was going all out. It's an effective tactic in showing others the folly in their thinking, but if you start it then technically they're showing you the folly of yours. Huh? I said he wasnt holding back,which he wasnt. Anyways,neither side exhausted themselves of all of their energies. Hell,I dont think either character ever has to begin with.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I go by what was in this comic. I dont have to look at other comics here to figure out what the writer intended for this one. Odin meant serious business in both storylines. Huh? I said he wasnt holding back,which he wasnt. Anyways,neither side exhausted themselves of all of their energies. Hell,I dont think either character ever has to begin with.

I didn't ask if he meant serious business in both fights, I asked whether the same amount of power was used in each fight, IOW were the attacks he used against Seth of the same power level as the ones he used against Thanos.

Again this is a simple yes or no question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I didn't ask if he meant serious business in both fights, I asked whether the same amount of power was used in each fight, IOW were the attacks he used against Seth of the same power level as the ones he used against Thanos.

Again this is a simple yes or no question. He used different methods,but was trying to defeat both. He wasnt holding back. It was a different writer anyways,and I have already explained myself.

Hey Silent wouldn't it be speculation either way? So, how does it matter. The fact is both writers were trying giving the impression Odin was out for the kill. Regardless of how the art work and words or other variables were depicted that fact remains true. So, how can you say one way or another which fight he was using more power when each writer depictes things differently. Mr. it has to be said for it not to be speculation..

So, Galan you asy you don't believe he just goes around killing people for no good reason. Yet in that comic the circumstances exactly ponit to that he thought THanos had kidnapped and imprisoned his son. couple that with him SAYING I'm going to kill you. I think on panel evidence is greater then your opinion as you like to say.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used different methods,but was trying to defeat both. He wasnt holding back. It was a different writer anyways,and I have already explained myself.

Again, that isn't the question I asked, I askde if the attacks Odin used against Seth were of the same power level as the ones he used against Thanos

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hey Silent wouldn't it be speculation either way? So, how does it matter. The fact is both writers were trying giving the impression Odin was out for the kill. Regardless of how the art work and words or other variables were depicted that fact remains true. So, how can you say one way or another which fight he was using more power when each writer depictes things differently. Mr. it has to be said for it not to be speculation..

It matters because one side is trying to say it's a fact that Odin was going all out in the Thanos fight when nothing of the sort was stated in the comic.

Do you think Odin used the same amount of power in the Seth and Thanos fights?

Speculation either way. The only fact we do know is he was trying to kill both of them. So, logically it would be more likely he used a similiar amount of power but saying one was more then another without it being quantifiable is pure speculation.