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Lol, team 2 10/10

Superman blue could definitely take the silver surfer. He pretty much has the same powers and experience...

I dont really know much about superman red.

Supes Blue is uber weak against energy manipulators, how is he fighting this two?

Originally posted by Bentley
Supes Blue is uber weak against energy manipulators, how is he fighting this two?

In the beginning he was, but as he learned about his powers and how to use them, that weakness all but disappeared.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman blue could definitely take the silver surfer. He pretty much has the same powers and experience...

I dont really know much about superman red.
inherent non-sequitur there.

doubt any of them could cope with current Surfer, nor Surfer of old. too resourceful, not just energy but also Astral Plane attacks, ability to synthesise high level magics (Odinforce!) and just monster energy absorption capabilities.


SS/Runner FTW.

Originally posted by janus77
inherent non-sequitur there.

doubt any of them could cope with current Surfer, nor Surfer of old. too resourceful, not just energy but also Astral Plane attacks, ability to synthesise high level magics (Odinforce!) and just monster energy absorption capabilities.


SS/Runner FTW.

Someone said something about energy absorption (not you). Here:

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman resists having his energy absorbed and reverses the process.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4360/actioncomics739p135ur.th.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5018/actioncomics739p161wp.th.jpg

And in response to the "astral plane" thing, not taking t-vo into account, this scan speaks for itself:

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman defeats "Saviour"... a character who's power is to create/have any power/weapon he wants.

He does this by manipulating "Psychic" energy.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6045/actioncomics735186ta.th.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4222/actioncomics735199mh.th.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2072/actioncomics735207hy.th.jpg

And Superman-rred does the exact same things.

Didn't Red get KO'ed by a water spout, and Blue got KO'ed by a thrown rock?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Someone said something about energy absorption (not you). Here:



And in response to the "astral plane" thing, not taking t-vo into account, this scan speaks for itself:



And Superman-rred does the exact same things.

Savior converts his psychic energy to matter, therefore it would no longer be psychic energy, correct?

Supes Red vs MG

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0336/Aquaman_v3_43_07.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0147/Aquaman_v3_43_16.jpg

Team 2 wins.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Didn't Red get KO'ed by a water spout, and Blue got KO'ed by a thrown rock?



Scans?

Also, Runner is fast, but aside from blitzing Thanos the slug, is he really on a level where superman can't beat him?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Scans?

Also, Runner is fast, but aside from blitzing Thanos the slug, is he really on a level where superman can't beat him?

Well he did lay a beating on Surfer...

Runner did prove to be faster that Surfer, even without the gem.

Originally posted by janus77
inherent non-sequitur there.

doubt any of them could cope with current Surfer, nor Surfer of old. too resourceful, not just energy but also Astral Plane attacks, ability to synthesise high level magics (Odinforce!) and just monster energy absorption capabilities.


SS/Runner FTW.

Damn..guess Thor and Thanos should have been toasted right away then?

^ What do Thor and Thanos have to do with this thread?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What do Thor and Thanos have to do with this thread?

Well I was just saying if SS could do all the things that jan claims then...well how the hell is he defeated as much as he is.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Scans?

Also, Runner is fast, but aside from blitzing Thanos the slug, is he really on a level where superman can't beat him? What do you expect? That I was lying back then?
Originally posted by Red Hulk
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Supermanv2134-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Supermanv2134-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Supermanv2134-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Supermanv2134-22.jpg

As for your second part, it sounds like reaching.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I was just saying if SS could do all the things that jan claims then...well how the hell is he defeated as much as he is. Because Thanos is a lot more powerful than Surfer... And it's very hard to tell who has more power between Surfer and Thor, so most people recognize that Thor is a much better fighter than Surfer and reconcile his defeats that way...

Originally posted by guy222
Supes Red vs MG

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0336/Aquaman_v3_43_07.jpg http://b.imagehost.org/t/0147/Aquaman_v3_43_16.jpg

Classic pwnage.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
What do you expect? That I was lying back then?


As for your second part, it sounds like reaching.

No. I merely thought you were ignoring context, hence the . I apologize.


Perhaps. But Runner has few feats. Also, Surfer has a habit of not using his combat speed well.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No. I merely thought you were ignoring context, hence the . I apologize.


Perhaps. But Runner has few feats. Also, Surfer has a habit of not using his combat speed well. Uh... huh...

You'd think these few feats would be enough... hell, he's also got a power that would fudge up both of their minds.

Ya? And Red and Blue have a habit of using this speed? If Surfer needs to, Surfer will use combat speed, if he doesn't need to, then you won't see him using it. Either way, I don't see how this is relevant as he isn't going to have to resort to tactics such as that.

IMO Surfer takes down Red or Blue decisively. In raw power, and a notable, he could easily fudge up their circuitry to take them out. To be frank, Regular Supes would give him a harder time. Just because they have a lot of powers doesn't mean they could defeat the original "What's his powers? Everything!" guy.

P.S. Before it gets brought Red's best feat ever had him on his death bed in a couple pages (that's with the growing, so it's hardly a viable tactic). And wrestling Asmodel isn't the be-all end-all feat it's made out to be. The man had trouble taking down MM with a more powerful attack than simply locking up (by the way, where's Assy's actual physical combat feats?).
Etc.

... circuitry?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ManOfSteel79p12.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ManOfSteel79p06.jpg

First two, and probably only scans I have in my Photobucket. The second one is when Red took the Giant into space and his energy or something was spread too far out.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ManOfSteel79p12.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ManOfSteel79p06.jpg

First two, and probably only scans I have in my Photobucket. The second one is when Red took the Giant into space and his energy or something was spread too far out.

Trippy, I always though SupesBlue was just made of energy or something.

You learn something new everyday.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Trippy, I always though SupesBlue was just made of energy or something.

He is. That is the circuitry of the containment suit.

Blue/Red for the win.

Runner is basically useless in this fight.

Originally posted by Avlon
Blue/Red for the win.

Runner is basically useless in this fight.

... What? Runner >> Silver Surfer, and that's when he don't have the time gem.

Because with it, he >>>>>>> both Supermen and Surfer.

Team 2 ftw, because I think Surfer is beating anyone but Runner in one-on-one and Runner is the cat to beat.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Uh... huh...

You'd think these few feats would be enough... hell, he's also got a power that would fudge up both of their minds.

Ya? And Red and Blue have a habit of using this speed? If Surfer needs to, Surfer will use combat speed, if he doesn't need to, then you won't see him using it. Either way, I don't see how this is relevant as he isn't going to have to resort to tactics such as that.

IMO Surfer takes down Red or Blue decisively. In raw power, and a notable, he could easily fudge up their circuitry to take them out. To be frank, Regular Supes would give him a harder time. Just because they have a lot of powers doesn't mean they could defeat the original "What's his powers? Everything!" guy.

P.S. Before it gets brought Red's best feat ever had him on his death bed in a couple pages (that's with the growing, so it's hardly a viable tactic). And wrestling Asmodel isn't the be-all end-all feat it's made out to be. The man had trouble taking down MM with a more powerful attack than simply locking up (by the way, where's Assy's actual physical combat feats?).
Etc.

Well were still waiting cause to date I dont recall SS using combat speed all that well or even using it hence why I dont think the BP accident was as much PIS as people think.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well were still waiting cause to date I dont recall SS using combat speed all that well or even using it hence why I dont think the BP accident was as much PIS as people think.

They've moved so fast flash had trouble seeing them which says a lot.
That and Blue has moved faster than flash on another occasion.

Who needs combat speed when you can make physical attacks completely useless.

Just to clear some things up.

Originally posted by Avlon
They've moved so fast flash had trouble seeing them which says a lot.
That and Blue has moved faster than flash on another occasion.

Who needs combat speed when you can make physical attacks completely useless.

Just to clear some things up.

I agree, but in the event that it does go physical I dont know how some peeps can assume SS will use this"incredible" combat speed that I keep on hearing so much about.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well were still waiting cause to date I dont recall SS using combat speed all that well or even using it hence why I dont think the BP accident was as much PIS as people think. Lists and scans have already been provided. That you continually ignore them and the fact that Superman doesn't have comparable ones, is your problem. Not ours.

BPvsSS is as much PIS as SPvsFL was. Even moreso since it was in friggin space, BP is not stronger than Spiderman and BP even told Surfer he knew he wasn't trying to kill him. That is the very definition of Plot Induced Stupidity. Seriously.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well were still waiting cause to date I dont recall SS using combat speed all that well or even using it hence why I dont think the BP accident was as much PIS as people think.
Then let me refresh your memory...

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpg

There you go, 5 instances of Surfer using combat speed .

Supes Red vs Cabraca

http://c.imagehost.org/t/0094/ActionComics744p13.jpg http://c.imagehost.org/t/0920/ActionComics744p14.jpg http://c.imagehost.org/t/0327/ActionComics744p20.jpg http://c.imagehost.org/t/0718/ActionComics744p21.jpg http://c.imagehost.org/t/0520/ActionComics744p22.jpg

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721087_Superman_v2_135_-_18.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721088_Superman_v2_135_-_19.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721089_Superman_v2_135_-_20.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721090_Superman_v2_135_-_21.jpg http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/721091_Superman_v2_135_-_22.jpg