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What heroes/villians under High Herald, have the firepower to blow up a Planet ? The Planet is about the size of the Earth. They get to use anything in the their powerset to destroy the Planet. No outside tech, or prep is allowed. Just their powerset............

Rogue.

Hulk.

Storm.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Storm.

I thought Storm could only manipulate the weather?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Rogue.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
Storm.

How ?

Originally posted by Faceman
How ?
they have hot steaming lesbian sex on TV, resulting in Hulk getting a massive boner which emits gamma radiation at exponentially increasing rates and smashes the world.

jarvis

Magneto
Iceman
Wolverine


k, maybe not Magneto but the other two for sure!

Matter Eater Lad. It would just take a spell.

Originally posted by Mindship
Matter Eater Lad. It would just take a spell.
Good answer...good answer...

Hulk, Thor, Reed Richards

Not a whole lot, actually.

Thor would qualify as High Herald, btw to boubo.

Basically, you only start to get to the planet-breakers at High Herald. Hulk has the potential, as do a few others (Firestorm could, for example, but it would take quite a bit of time). Terrax pwned a planet recently, and most of the heralds probably have the potential to do so. Otherwise, it's pretty slim pickings imo.

Drax
Terrax
Firelord
Beta Ray Bill
Gladiator

Off the top of my head have done it...

Hulk, Magneto, Thor

And a shit load of others from the DC including sups, GL, probably Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by janus77
they have hot steaming lesbian sex on TV, resulting in Hulk getting a massive boner which emits gamma radiation at exponentially increasing rates and smashes the world.

Best post today.

Me

Nova could do it. She just goes into the sun and makes it turn into a black hole.

Frank Caslte baby


LITTLE-HULK SMASH!

WWH

Thor

def hulk and thor along with supes and a bunch of villains could

The Hulk doesn't have the potential, you can't destroy a planet with kinetic force, Thor couldn't, his energy manipulation isn't at that level. Sentry couldn't, he doesn't have strong enough energy manipulating powers, Magneto definitely couldn't, Hal Jordan lifted a star, he might could, Pre-Crisis Superman could via laser vision, modern Superman could, he held a freaking black hole.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The Hulk doesn't have the potential, you can't destroy a planet with kinetic force, Thor couldn't, his energy manipulation isn't at that level. Sentry couldn't, he doesn't have strong enough energy manipulating powers, Magneto definitely couldn't, Hal Jordan lifted a star, he might could, Pre-Crisis Superman could via laser vision, modern Superman could, he held a freaking black hole.

Well, BRB and Stardust were destroying planets by throwing each other through them.

BRB = Thor.

Hulk its debatable but he has the potential, Gladiator punched a planet and shattered it before.

Sentry just outright can't.

Like Hulk, Juggernaut has the potential to.

Doom and Strange could..perhaps.

the current blue beetle, spawn, lobo, and uuuh iceman maybe

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The Hulk doesn't have the potential, you can't destroy a planet with kinetic force, Thor couldn't, his energy manipulation isn't at that level. Sentry couldn't, he doesn't have strong enough energy manipulating powers, Magneto definitely couldn't, Hal Jordan lifted a star, he might could, Pre-Crisis Superman could via laser vision, modern Superman could, he held a freaking black hole.

Hulk already smashed a meteor twice the size of the planet Earth. During WWH after Miek's statement he was in danger of destroying the planet just from walking on the ground, where a single footstep cracked the island of Manhattan in half.

Are we talking blowing up a planet so that all its mass obtains orbital velocity, or blowing up in a sense that it gets reduced to small piece, but eventually begins to form again into a sphere shaped mesh of rock ?
The former would require over a days worth of our Suns entire energy output. That's a (Billion megaton nuclear bombs) x 60 x 60 x 24.

Not that anyone will care, i just love how trivial an exploding planet has become in comic form, yet people start crying when Peter Parker acts out of 'personality'.

He didn't smash it, he was launched into it, theres a difference.

Originally posted by Sam Z
He didn't smash it, he was launched into it, theres a difference.

Sorry, are you now trying argue about the physics of a physically impossible event ?

Good Luck with that one.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6629/nxmxornjn9.th.png

He can.....

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Sorry, are you now trying argue about the physics of a physically impossible event ?

Good Luck with that one.

If it was only his mass, then the amount of energy produced would have been insufficient to do the damage that his punch had done. If it was only velocity and durability, he would have went straight through the meteor like a high velocity bullet goes through a bag of sand. His punch is what did the damage, he used the rocket powered springs to get him there.

Sam Z, whats your sig from btw, it looks awesome.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The Hulk doesn't have the potential, you can't destroy a planet with kinetic force, Thor couldn't, his energy manipulation isn't at that level. Sentry couldn't, he doesn't have strong enough energy manipulating powers, Magneto definitely couldn't, Hal Jordan lifted a star, he might could, Pre-Crisis Superman could via laser vision, modern Superman could, he held a freaking black hole.

What the... If you don't know anything about the characters just don't talk about them :/

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Sorry, are you now trying argue about the physics of a physically impossible event ?

Good Luck with that one.
you're in a comics forum, have you not realised that when a character you do not like performs a feat you would rather they didn't/couldn't, then the laws of physics are introduced as agent of said desire.





that said, back to the thread, Hulk EASILY turns the Earth to rubble.

Originally posted by janus77
you're in a comics forum, have you not realised that when a character you do not like performs a feat you would rather they didn't/couldn't, then the laws of physics are introduced as agent of said desire.





that said, back to the thread, Hulk EASILY turns the Earth to rubble.

So you make the laws of physics win your argument ?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
So you make the laws of physics win your argument ?
that's the general idea, yes.

either that or utilise ridicule and a sneering tone and hope to god that the other party isn't too sharp (works often, from personal experience).

No one can, not even a high herald.

Question with mageto has ever manipulated the Iron in the earths core ?

Originally posted by h1a8
No one can, not even a high herald.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Sorry, are you now trying argue about the physics of a physically impossible event ?

Good Luck with that one. .....

Can someone show me Hulk destroying it himself? Nope outside forces helped it happen.

WWH would eventually be capable of doing it.
Nova files confirmed that all heralds of Galactus have enough energy output to destroy a planet.
Guy, John and Kilowog possibly.

Originally posted by llagrok
WWH would eventually be capable of doing it.
Nova files confirmed that all heralds of Galactus have enough energy output to destroy a planet.
Guy, John and Kilowog possibly.

Destroying a planet is not necessarily blowing it up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Destroying a planet is not necessarily blowing it up.

Surfer blew planet up with ease in Annihilation.
Terrax blew a planet up after being drained of his energy in one blow
Fallen One has one shotted a planet.

Potentially, WWH, Apocalypse, God Like Cable, Magneto, Black Bolt, Havok,... There are more.

Sienna Blaze
Cyclops (If he stared at the earth long enough)
Meggan
Sersi (She can keep blasting the earth until it's destroyed)
Human Torch
Black Bolt
Firestar

Im pretty sure cyclops would die before he got far enough into the earth that it would destroy itself

-Thor
Mjolnir with a single blast could surely destroy the earth if aimed at the core of the planet.

-Mr. Fantastic
Among all the hi-tech gizmos he possess he surely has some powerful weapon for emergency situations.

-Hulk
In the end of WWH those gamma bursts made everyone wet their pants.

Storm

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Surfer blew planet up with ease in Annihilation.
Terrax blew a planet up after being drained of his energy in one blow
Fallen One has one shotted a planet.

Neither Surfer, Terrax, or any herald has ever blew up a planet without using an outside force or plot device.

again no one herald level or below can blow up a planet with there own force or without a plot device.

Originally posted by h1a8
Neither Surfer, Terrax, or any herald has ever blew up a planet without using an outside force or plot device. You mean the Power Cosmic?

Originally posted by psy_blade
Sienna Blaze
Cyclops (If he stared at the earth long enough)
Meggan
Sersi (She can keep blasting the earth until it's destroyed)
Human Torch
Black Bolt
Firestar

Blaze came pretty close one time.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The Hulk doesn't have the potential, you can't destroy a planet with kinetic force,.

Sure you can, if you have enough.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm ****ing idiot.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You mean the Power Cosmic?

No. I mean someone else's power.

Originally posted by h1a8
No. I mean someone else's power. You mean the Power Cosmic?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You mean the Power Cosmic?

No one's actually raised the far more pertinent question of which planet we're discussing. In terms of the potential size of such celestial bodies, Earth is quite small.

Also, lulz at repeated references to Thor, Supes, etc. Top tiers aren't allowed guys.

Ghost Rider (current).

Originally posted by h1a8
No. I mean someone else's power.

ROFL. You do know Terrax cut a planet in half with one shot of his axe right? You do know that Silver Surfer blew up an entire planet as a side effect (the planet wasn't the target) during one of his fights during Annihilation right? The list goes on and on...

Originally posted by Kutulu
ROFL. You do know Terrax cut a planet in half with one shot of his axe right? You do know that Silver Surfer blew up an entire planet as a side effect (the planet wasn't the target) during one of his fights during Annihilation right? The list goes on and on...


Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).

It is true terrax did cut a planet in half wit d axe

damn i thnk ever since the frenzy of dragonball z, destroying a planet has pretty much become a requirement for every hero/villian. After a while it just gets super cheesy.


That's why I always liked Spawn a little more than some titles of Marvel and DC. He's very powerful without having the blatant power to destroy the Earth.

Atleast in Image, Spawn has an excuse. The Earth, itself is a living organism (Greenworld) with its own power. In Marvel and DC, Earth is just a rock with a bunch of colorful spandex laden people living on it.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
damn i thnk ever since the frenzy of dragonball z, destroying a planet has pretty much become a requirement for every hero/villian. After a while it just gets super cheesy.


That's why I always liked Spawn a little more than some titles of Marvel and DC. He's very powerful without having the blatant power to destroy the Earth.

Atleast in Image, Spawn has an excuse. The Earth, itself is a living organism (Greenworld) with its own power. In Marvel and DC, Earth is just a rock with a bunch of colorful spandex laden people living on it.

Yeah!

In Marvel and DC it's a planet!!! how lame is that?

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).

Later he destroyed a planet, he and Ravenous landed on its surface and Surfer destroyed it to prove a point without the least of effort.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Later he destroyed a planet, he and Ravenous landed on its surface and Surfer destroyed it to prove a point without the least of effort.

That was a large asteroid. Not even a planetoid.

Originally posted by h1a8
That was a large asteroid. Not even a planetoid.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/14/annihilationsilversurfeei8.jpg

A planet....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

A planet destroyed..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg

A planet

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg

A planet destroyed..

Originally posted by Roldz
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/14/annihilationsilversurfeei8.jpg

A planet....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

A planet destroyed..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg

A planet

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg

A planet destroyed..

Originally posted by Roldz
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/14/annihilationsilversurfeei8.jpg

A planet....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

A planet destroyed..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg

A planet

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg

A planet destroyed..

I looked at Annihilation. I don't remember the succession of showing Ravenous landing on the planet and on the very next page the planet blowing up. I will look again (when I go to the bookstore). I remember Ravenous being on an asteroid and SS blowing it up.

If it is the case where SS blew up the planet then it is PIS. Because that feat far exceeds the average showings of SS. Thus it is invalid anyway.

The second scan isn't even a planet regardless of what that dude says. It's a bunch of rocks that's clump together no bigger than a medium asteroid.

Originally posted by h1a8
I looked at Annihilation. I don't remember the succession of showing Ravenous landing on the planet and on the very next page the planet blowing up. I will look again (when I go to the bookstore). I remember Ravenous being on an asteroid and SS blowing it up.

If it is the case where SS blew up the planet then it is PIS. Because that feat far exceeds the average showings of SS. Thus it is invalid anyway.

The second scan isn't even a planet regardless of what that dude says. It's a bunch of rocks that's clump together no bigger than a medium asteroid. are you serious?

Originally posted by h1a8
I looked at Annihilation. I don't remember the succession of showing Ravenous landing on the planet and on the very next page the planet blowing up. I will look again (when I go to the bookstore). I remember Ravenous being on an asteroid and SS blowing it up.

If it is the case where SS blew up the planet then it is PIS. Because that feat far exceeds the average showings of SS. Thus it is invalid anyway.

The second scan isn't even a planet regardless of what that dude says. It's a bunch of rocks that's clump together no bigger than a medium asteroid.

crylaugh0 hysterical2

Dude give it up - it's on-panel that Silver Surfer destroyed the planet. PERIOD. You were shown the scan, you were proven wrong, now just admit your mistakes and give it up; arguing anymore about something that was already proven to everybody here just makes you look stubborn at this point.

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).

Terrax, Paibok, and the Delinquent crash land on a planetary mass with continents
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6999/annihilationheraldsofgakx6.th.jpg

The planet has settlements on the surface, and is ruled over by a Randau the Space Parasite
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9061/annihilationheraldsofgady0.th.jpg

Terrax and co. travel to the city from where Randau rules
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5008/annihilationheraldsofgaml7.th.jpg


If you count punisher's guns, batman's utility belt, ninja turtle weapons, mjolnir, stormbreaker etc. as plot devices, then yeah, terrax's axe is a plot device.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3120/annihilationheraldsofganv7.th.jpg

having killed randau, terrax gets pissed off about the whole situation.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/733/annihilationheraldsofgaqr1.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/843/annihilationheraldsofgann8.jpg

Terrax flies away from the debris field as paibok and the delinquent look on in frustration
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/70/annihilationheraldsofgaqu7.th.jpg

That's PIS from hell.

Everything is pis, amirite?

Originally posted by Roldz
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/14/annihilationsilversurfeei8.jpg

A planet....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4227/annihilationsilversurfegj7.jpg

A planet destroyed..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-20.jpg

A planet

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg

A planet destroyed..
First scan shows that SS and Ravenous land on a Badoon Fringe World

Originally posted by h1a8
I looked at Annihilation. I don't remember the succession of showing Ravenous landing on the planet and on the very next page the planet blowing up. I will look again (when I go to the bookstore). I remember Ravenous being on an asteroid and SS blowing it up.

If it is the case where SS blew up the planet then it is PIS. Because that feat far exceeds the average showings of SS. Thus it is invalid anyway.

The second scan isn't even a planet regardless of what that dude says. It's a bunch of rocks that's clump together no bigger than a medium asteroid.

After the scanned page that shows them landing on a Badoon fringe world, ravenous and ss fight for three full pages. On the third page SS says "this grows tiresome." On the fourth page (which is also the page immediately preceding the blown up world/planet page), this is what he says:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8694/annihilationsilversurfevc8.th.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
That's PIS from hell.

Heralds have always shown planet destroying levels of power. Its not really a big feat anymore, everyone's doing it.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's PIS from hell.

It's not PIS at all. Heralds have planet busting strength and power level easily. Beta Ray Bill busted a planet while fighting Stardust, Terrax destroyed a planet on-panel, Silver Surfer destroyed several, Nova caused an entire sun to go supernova and wiped out the entire solar system, etc.. These are normal levels of power for heralds.

The second Surfer plant scan looked more like Korvac being a jerk and saying "Oh look, you're a planet now!" more than it actually being a planet.

I think he was stating the obvious..

Those rocks/meteors sorrounding the surfer qualifies as a large land mass equate to of a planet.. Its got its own magnetic field, and can generate energy as much as a sun..

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Heralds have always shown planet destroying levels of power. Its not really a big feat anymore, everyone's doing it.

I disagree. It is a great feat and nobody's doing it. No herald shows this type of power.

Originally posted by Kutulu
It's not PIS at all. Heralds have planet busting strength and power level easily. Beta Ray Bill busted a planet while fighting Stardust, Terrax destroyed a planet on-panel, Silver Surfer destroyed several, Nova caused an entire sun to go supernova and wiped out the entire solar system, etc.. These are normal levels of power for heralds.

Normal levels my a$$.
It's PIS at its finest. This is SS only feat showing this. The other one was just a bunch of rocks clump up no bigger than a small asteroid. Terrax's and BRB's ones were PIS too (I want to see the BRB one though).

Causing a sun to supernova is a garage feat. Even people on Star Trek can do that. All one needs to do is cause a chain reaction in the star.

Originally posted by Roldz
I think he was stating the obvious..

Those rocks/meteors sorrounding the surfer qualifies as a large land mass equate to of a planet.. Its got its own magnetic field, and can generate energy as much as a sun..

The clump of rocks was no bigger than a medium asteroid (not even a planetoid like pluto). It had no magnetic field. And when do rocks generate energy period?

Why is all of this PIS?
Originally posted by Roldz
I think he was stating the obvious..

Those rocks/meteors sorrounding the surfer qualifies as a large land mass equate to of a planet.. Its got its own magnetic field, and can generate energy as much as a sun..
Where did it say any of that?

Also, I see where the narrator actually refers to it as a planet.

Originally posted by h1a8
Normal levels my a$$.
It's PIS at its finest. This is SS only feat showing this. The other one was just a bunch of rocks clump up no bigger than a small asteroid. Terrax's and BRB's ones were PIS too (I want to see the BRB one though).

Causing a sun to supernova is a garage feat. Even people on Star Trek can do that. All one needs to do is cause a chain reaction in the star.

xomfg

So basically because you don't like the idea of a Marvel character being that powerful you claim PIS.

Originally posted by h1a8
Normal levels my a$$.
It's PIS at its finest. This is SS only feat showing this. The other one was just a bunch of rocks clump up no bigger than a small asteroid. Terrax's and BRB's ones were PIS too (I want to see the BRB one though).

Causing a sun to supernova is a garage feat. Even people on Star Trek can do that. All one needs to do is cause a chain reaction in the star.

The Silver Surfer did so casually, and his energy discharge was powerful enough to create a black hole.

Why is that PIS?

Originally posted by h1a8
The clump of rocks was no bigger than a medium asteroid (not even a planetoid like pluto). It had no magnetic field. And when do rocks generate energy period?
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Where did it say any of that?

Also, I see where the narrator actually refers to it as a planet.
No man that was not an asteroid. (see def. of an asteroid)

Now what hit Korvac after that planet exploded is an asteroid.. See where im comin at..

You question the size. Well its the perception of how that panel was drawn, it shows the char. importance ties to the plot/story/arc.. You see this alot in comics. for ex: in Supermans series. He is sometimes drawn 1/4 the size of Earth when floating in space in proximity to the planet and it makes it looks small.

Yes it had magnetic field. It was the reason why those space debris formed into a celestial body in the first place..

When does rock generate energy? When its core produce energy (This core happens to be a rechargeble ambient battery)..

Originally posted by Roldz
Yes it had magnetic field. It was the reason why those space debris formed into a celestial body in the first place..

When does rock generate energy? When its core produce energy (This core happens to be a rechargeble ambient battery)..
I see how you could say it generates energy at the core, because Surfer generates energy and Surfer is the core, but Surfer was the one who had the magnetic field coming off him, not the impromptu planet itself.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Silver Surfer did so casually, and his energy discharge was powerful enough to create a black hole.

Why is that PIS?

Creating a black hole is not necessarily harder than blowing up a planet.

And "doing it casually" has nothing to do with one's entire history. SS
never has shown that type of power before and he has fought at his best many times.

Originally posted by Kutulu
xomfg

So basically because you don't like the idea of a Marvel character being that powerful you claim PIS.

If SS, Terrax, etc. had shown this level of power throughout his history then I would very much like the idea. I would like SS even more (he would definitely go up to the top 3 of my favorite characters).

Originally posted by h1a8
Creating a black hole is not necessarily harder than blowing up a planet.

And "doing it casually" has nothing to do with one's entire history. SS
never has shown that type of power before and he has fought at his best many times.

He, almost exclusively, fought on planets he sought to protect. See: Earth.

The fact that he took care not to one-shot the very place he was guarding means that he should somehow be incapable?

Originally posted by h1a8
If SS, Terrax, etc. had shown this level of power throughout his history then I would very much like the idea. I would like SS even more (he would definitely go up to the top 3 of my favorite characters).

Well you should now place SS as one of your top 3 characters then. Superman can crack a moon in half, does that mean he cracks Earths moon just for the hell of it? No way! Just because a character can do something doesn't mean they will do it - that's what separates a hero from a villain.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I see how you could say it generates energy at the core, because Surfer generates energy and Surfer is the core, but Surfer was the one who had the magnetic field coming off him, not the impromptu planet itself.
It was narrated, him being part of the planet.. This is why he was referred to as the core..

What cause Earth Magnetic field?
Originally posted by h1a8
Creating a black hole is not necessarily harder than blowing up a plan.
Creating a blackhole in a planet no matter the sized would definetely destroy it.. No matter how you look at it SS can destroy a planet..
Originally posted by h1a8
And "doing it casually" has nothing to do with one's entire history. SS
never has shown that type of power before and he has fought at his best many times.
SS has been shown time and time again to have sufficient power output to blow up a planet.. Ie. evolving a planet for a few 100 years that right there requires massive energy..

heck he blow up another planet in Infinity Crusade..

Originally posted by Kutulu
Well you should now place SS as one of your top 3 characters then. Superman can crack a moon in half, does that mean he cracks Earths moon just for the hell of it? No way! Just because a character can do something doesn't mean they will do it - that's what separates a hero from a villain.
Your argument has some faultiness in it. Here's an example, what if Sentry released all his energy and blew up a good fraction of the galaxy (hence a million exploding suns). Would this be believable? Especially with all the times we have seen Sentry fight at his best and has shown contradictory power?

This is to say that there are other feats which we can infer from that makes it reasonable for someone to do the feat in question. SS has no other feats that shows he has the level of power to blow up a planet. Like for example, Hulk has many insane feats that makes it believable if he did something crazy. SS has none. Superman has several feats that can be inferred from that he can crack a moon (even if he never cracked a moon before).

My argument is not "since SS didn't blow up a planet consistently enough then his feat is PIS". But it is rather "he's never shown that level of power (even when many times fighting at his best) and thus it is PIS".

Originally posted by h1a8
My argument is not "since SS didn't blow up a planet consistently enough then his feat is PIS". But it is rather "he's never shown that level of power (even when many times fighting at his best) and thus it is PIS".
How would you know that Surfer has never shown this level of power when you/yourself has never read a single of his comics?

Originally posted by Roldz
It was narrated, him being part of the planet.. This is why he was referred to as the core.. It wasn't narrated as being a planet. This is what the stupid guy says in the panel.

The movement of the molten iron at the core.

My argument is not that SS can't destroy a planet but more so "blow it up".

No he hasn't. Evolving a planet is nothing (an insect to) blowing up a planet.

No he didn't. I guess destoying a planet's defense system is equivalent to blowing up the planet itself .

Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument has some faultiness in it. Here's an example, what if Sentry released all his energy and blew up a good fraction of the galaxy (hence a million exploding suns). Would this be believable? Especially with all the times we have seen Sentry fight at his best and has shown contradictory power?

We have only seen Sentry release his full energy level once, and in that case was against WWH where the energy was directed towards the Hulk. Hulk is a lot more durable than a puny planet. There is a very valid reason that characters in the Hulk / Sentry / Superman range of power are constantly said to be "holding back" - they don't want to blow everything up.



Silver Surfer has a ton of feats that make it completely reasonable that he's got more than enough power to casually destroy a whole star system worth of planets with ease. You've already been shown several scans of him blowing up planets - there is really not much more to debate here - you're just denying the facts, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Kutulu


We have only seen Sentry release his full energy level once, and in that case was against WWH where the energy was directed towards the Hulk. Hulk is a lot more durable than a puny planet. There is a very valid reason that characters in the Hulk / Sentry / Superman range of power are constantly said to be "holding back" - they don't want to blow everything up. Speculation. This is comics my friend; we must go on the writer's intention. A million exploding suns>>>>>a planet plus WWH. Thus what you say is nonsense.


Lies. SS doesn't have a ton of feats. He has only 1 (which was in Annihilation). And it's amazing how fanboys use inflated words (like several or multiple) to try to be convincing when there was only like 2 instances (actually 1 in the case of SS though).

Originally posted by h1a8
It wasn't narrated as being a planet. This is what the stupid guy says in the panel.

The movement of the molten iron at the core.

My argument is not that SS can't destroy a planet but more so "blow it up".

No he hasn't. Evolving a planet is nothing (an insect to) blowing up a planet.

No he didn't. I guess destoying a planet's defense system is equivalent to blowing up the planet itself .
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg
If this is not a narration, then i dont know what you'd call it .

Exactly.. a reaction at the core..

It wasnt a 100 years but rather a few billion years.. I say that feats surpasses destroying a planet..

Well we've shown scans of Surfer blowing up a planet, energy discharge causing blackhole, Heck his destroyed a bunch of planet before after absorbing so much power..
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2833/silversurfer199612022ft5.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2884/silversurfer199612023yp9.jpg
heres another one.. The inciter is a planet size entity/construct..
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-31.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-32.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-33.jpg
He blows it up..
I quess those are all PIS to yah..

Right i was wrong it was a freakin deathstar, i just checked it.. Far better than blowin up a planet..lol

Originally posted by h1a8
Lies. SS doesn't have a ton of feats. He has only 1 (which was in Annihilation). And it's amazing how fanboys use inflated words (like several or multiple) to try to be convincing when there was only like 2 instances (actually 1 in the case of SS though).
2 to be precise.. But checked the scan above.. his got more not actual planet but a similar in mass..

Originally posted by h1a8
Speculation. This is comics my friend; we must go on the writer's intention. A million exploding suns>>>>>a planet plus WWH. Thus what you say is nonsense.

Lies. SS doesn't have a ton of feats. He has only 1 (which was in Annihilation). And it's amazing how fanboys use inflated words (like several or multiple) to try to be convincing when there was only like 2 instances (actually 1 in the case of SS though).

We must go with the writer's intention?

Writers with whom you disagree, you would dismiss their intentions and label them PIS? Do you know in the latest avengers that Iron man said that sentry has the power of a thousand exploding suns...which power sentry used to reboot iron man's armor after doom overloaded it? clearly, it's hyperbole, unless you want to conjecture that iron man's armor has the power of 1000 exploding suns.

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax cut a planet in half I like to see. Proof.
But isn't the axe a plot device?

SS destroyed a large asteroid in Annihilation (not a planet).
Originally posted by h1a8
That was a large asteroid. Not even a planetoid.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. It is a great feat and nobody's doing it. No herald shows this type of power.
Originally posted by h1a8
Normal levels my a$$.
It's PIS at its finest. This is SS only feat showing this. The other one was just a bunch of rocks clump up no bigger than a small asteroid. Terrax's and BRB's ones were PIS too (I want to see the BRB one though).

Causing a sun to supernova is a garage feat. Even people on Star Trek can do that. All one needs to do is cause a chain reaction in the star.
Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument has some faultiness in it. Here's an example, what if Sentry released all his energy and blew up a good fraction of the galaxy (hence a million exploding suns). Would this be believable? Especially with all the times we have seen Sentry fight at his best and has shown contradictory power?

This is to say that there are other feats which we can infer from that makes it reasonable for someone to do the feat in question. SS has no other feats that shows he has the level of power to blow up a planet. Like for example, Hulk has many insane feats that makes it believable if he did something crazy. SS has none. Superman has several feats that can be inferred from that he can crack a moon (even if he never cracked a moon before).

My argument is not "since SS didn't blow up a planet consistently enough then his feat is PIS". But it is rather "he's never shown that level of power (even when many times fighting at his best) and thus it is PIS".


Regardless of the fact that you argue, but yet have not seen the comics with which you refute and label as PIS (how are you going to argue when you yourself haven't read the material? You lose so much credibility, which is what you have already done)

Let's take your argument for the plain logic of what it is. The silver surfer is a 40 year-old character. Sentry is about 8 years old. Taken to the extreme, your logic dictates that SS's powerset should ONLY be defined by what was introduced in 1968, powers that were subsequently replicated time and time again.

The fact is that surfer has done high-level feats of this nature. he absorbed the energies of an entire star. Red Shift, another herald of galactus, routinely opens black holes (get a hint from his name). Yet you have not read this source material, but argue against it.

I can tell you're someone who is interested in physics or science of some kind, because you dont want to lend credence to concepts that are uncomfortable to you, and in these particular cases, concepts which you have not even seen, but argue against before seeing, and even after seeing the evidence.

you my friend, are incredibly stubborn. but make up your own mind, the facts are the facts, and your disagreements won't change them.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
We must go with the writer's intention?

Writers with whom you disagree, you would dismiss their intentions and label them PIS? Do you know in the latest avengers that Iron man said that sentry has the power of a thousand exploding suns...which power sentry used to reboot iron man's armor after doom overloaded it? clearly, it's hyperbole, unless you want to conjecture that iron man's armor has the power of 1000 exploding suns.

No you are getting me all wrong. I must learn to writer better.
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.

Originally posted by h1a8
No you are getting me all wrong. I must learn to writer better.
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.

I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

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Good post..

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

Excellent post and well written.

Plus, beings weaker than heralds have destroyed planets.

Gladiator one shot a planet.
Drax tore a star apart with his beat hands (but Drax at that point was > than a herald methinks).

In BRB and Stardust's fight they both destroyed a planet and Stardust opened a black hole and a dimensional rift with no effort.

Originally posted by Roldz
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/AvengersAnnual16-21.jpg
If this is not a narration, then i dont know what you'd call it .

Exactly.. a reaction at the core..

It wasnt a 100 years but rather a few billion years.. I say that feats surpasses destroying a planet.. Okay I missed that. But it doesn't matter as those were just a bunch of rocks clump together. That feat isn't the same as blowing up a solid planet that is mostly atomically bonded.
The first feat is obvious shows SS using a plot device. Also, you are using speculation
that blowing up a planet size entity (looks more like 1000ft to me though) is equilvalent to blowing up an actual planet. The second feat,
shows that the board penetrating through causes the techno entity to disrupt. Thus this is a plot device as well. The feat is equivalent to pulling a plug and making the whole thing blow up.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Plus, beings weaker than heralds have destroyed planets.

Gladiator one shot a planet.
Drax tore a star apart with his beat hands (but Drax at that point was > than a herald methinks).

In BRB and Stardust's fight they both destroyed a planet and Stardust opened a black hole and a dimensional rift with no effort.

It took Gladiator multiple hits to ko the planet. And Gladiator isn't under a herald.

And the second stuff you said is already known. I was arguing that these instances are PIS.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I agree with that.

But to be clear, what does "everything he has shown" exactly mean? I interpret it to on-panel drawings of sentry feats and displays.

A writer writing in a dialogue box, speaking through spider-man "You're the sentry...who once stalemated Galactus" is complete garbage and directly contradicts "everything he has shown"

If we had seen this on panel, then it's still complete garbage, but is now in the realm of facts.

If we merely quoted a writer saying "terrax destroyed the planet in a fit of rage" or "silver surfer obliterated the world with a gesture" then it's open to debate about whether hyperbole by the writer's hand is at work....as it is they're all on-panel facts. Even if they have NEVER shown such feats before (which is false, as we've been trying to prove), they now enter into the world of facts and *contribute and add* to the definition of a character's powerset.

The sentry was created in 2000. He's not even a decade old. Red shift was created in 1999, and from day one he started creating black holes like hot cakes and cookies.

SS is a 40 year old character, where in his first appearance he was knocked to the ground by a right cross from the Thing.

First appearance of Red Shift>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>first appearance of SS....yet are we to infer that SS is not as powerful as Red Shift, simply because red shift has displayed higher levels of power from inception, whereas SS's power has gradually evolved in its 40 years of existence to keep up with the culture and sophistication of comics readership?

I agree. This is the same thing with Thing. If SS continues to show such power then it is very acceptable that he indeed has this level of power.

Originally posted by h1a8
It took Gladiator multiple hits to ko the planet.


Anyway, "I don't like it, it didn't happen!". Such a classic, weak defense. Always entertaining.

I don't see how it's possible to KO a planet.

Unless it's a living planet like Ego or Mogo

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't see how it's possible to KO a planet.

Unless it's a living planet like Ego or Mogo

"We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dream."

Originally posted by h1a8
Okay I missed that. But it doesn't matter as those were just a bunch of rocks clump together.That feat isn't the same as blowing up a solid planet that is mostly atomically bonded.
Which is exactly what a planet is ..
Its held together by its core.. The magnetic field fuse those rocks together, this is why it was narrated as a planet otherwise it would have been narrated as a clump of rock..
Originally posted by h1a8
The first feat is obvious shows SS using a plot device. Also, you are using speculation
that blowing up a planet size entity (looks more like 1000ft to me though) is equilvalent to blowing up an actual planet. The second feat,
shows that the board penetrating through causes the techno entity to disrupt. Thus this is a plot device as well. The feat is equivalent to pulling a plug and making the whole thing blow up.
he did use a plot device on first scan but what isn't is his ability to absorb massive amount of energy and to discharge it, this has been shown time and time again in his own series.

The board charge with PC literally becomes a board bomb which pierce into the core of the Entity and cause it to explode. Similar thing would happen if he does it to a planets core, it would cause the planet to blow up, therefore SS can blow up a planet.. (fyi- core contains massive amount of energy).. Not speculation..

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't saying that Sentry has the power of 1 million exploding suns or not. I was just saying that sentry having the power of a million exploding suns contradicts everything he has shown. And the writer's intention is what creates PIS. So I should have said that we must go on writer's intention when PIS isn't involved. Otherwise, if PIS is involved, then their intentions are meaningless.
Good point. Totally agree with u on this.. However you wouldn't know the writer's intention if you have not fallow any of his work would u?

Heralds have been written to have powers beyond human comprehension, possess massive amount of energy sufficient enough to destroy a planet.. There is plenty enough scan posted here to prove this.. Yet you label all this PIS even dough you know close to nothing about this chars.. That is just plain ignorant..

Well this is the crux of the whole thing....the primary purpose of one herald is to locate a planet for big g's meal. A close secondary purpose of a herald is to deal with any and all resistance the planet puts up. big g is not supposed to get his hands dirty at all, until the moment comes to dine. The herald does all the dirty work.....that should come to follow that heralds are imbued with enough of galactus' power cosmic to deal with any defenses that civilizations put in G's path...more often than not it succeeds, as uatu states that up until that point (meaning, up until FF 48) only earth has succeeded in repelling galactus...only earth out of the billions of planets he's consumed. when the herald is defeated or overwhelmed, then g steps in

Originally posted by Roldz
Which is exactly what a planet is ..
Its held together by its core.. The magnetic field fuse those rocks together, this is why it was narrated as a planet otherwise it would have been narrated as a clump of rock.. The planet didn't fuse as one solid mass. It rather stayed in the form of rocks that were forcefully trying to come together towards the center. My argument is that it takes more power to blow up something that is both magnetically and atomically bonded (the latter is astronomically more stronger than the former) vs. something that is merely magnetically bonded.

By the thing being electrical and mechanical in nature it stands to reason that
the power require to blow it up is far less than the power to blow up a
planet.
True. But
I question the fact that SS (without his board) can stand in space and simply blast a planet into pieces. Also, it borders on speculation of exactly how much energy SS can absorb. Is it enough to unPISSingly
blow up a planet with a blast?



True. Heralds are indeed powerful. It's just that possessing the power to blow up a planet with a mere blast is totally inconsistent with the entire history of these heralds. I would be very hard pressed to accept that a Herald has the power to just sit there and blast a planet into pieces after the many years of reading them in comics. More of these level of feats are needed for me to be a believer. Maybe in the future my view will change.

And what if, in Annihilation, Galactus not only restored SS but granted him much more power than he ever had? This would explain how SS had that type of power.