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Classic Jaspers.

Lucy

MJJ

Lucy

Lucifer.

Lucy

I'm pretty sure he doesn't appreciate you guys calling him Lucy.

Lucifer for the win

Lucifer is about equal to Michael isn't that correct???

If that is correct then Lucifer for the win.

Lucy takes this.

Lucifer.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Lucifer is about equal to Michael isn't that correct???

If that is correct then Lucifer for the win.

Well, he did kill Michael.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I'm pretty sure he doesn't appreciate you guys calling him Lucy.

Originally posted by llagrok
Well, he did kill Michael.

wasn't there a number of circumstances that enable Lucifer to kill Michael???

No one in Marvel was ever able to defeat Jaspers,
well with the exception of his personal anti-Jaspers plot device (the Fury)
which was Moore's only answer to defeating this maniacal god.

Jaspers became the 616 reality (power of the infinite Multiverse, foundation of Marvel)
Time/Space and all so ... we know the conceptual hierarchy is nothing to him.

And that's a minute feat,
in comparison with what his weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238) did,
which was,
actually thwarting Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8343/jjgo1.th.jpg

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Also,

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1046/25152532kp1.th.jpg

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9255/99178716vp9.th.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7533/48392736kk4.th.jpg

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That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

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I have no say on who wins this, can't be proven one way or another,
but I just wanted to present some perspective for the Jaspers side.

In addition,
Lucifer shaping a Universe or Multiverse (whatever) means nothing,
even if Lucifer had shaped all of creation it would still mean nothing in this battle,
because Merlyn DID manipulate the entire space/time continuum of the Omniverse,
and that capability (level of influence over reality) meant less than nothing to 238 Jaspers,
so imagine 616 Jaspers.

Just sayin,
Luc shaping whatever he shaped is not reason enough to say he wins,
and there's no reason to believe his in-famous head tricks would work on Jaspers,
no reason whatsoever.

One more thing,
according to the Michael respect thread, which was beautifully made,
Michael is above Lucifer,
and there were indeed stipulations as to how/why Luc was able to kill Michael.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No one in Marvel was ever able to defeat Jaspers,
well with the exception of his personal anti-Jaspers plot device (the Fury)
which was Moore's only answer to defeating this maniacal god.

Jaspers became the 616 reality (power of the infinite Multiverse, foundation of Marvel)
Time/Space and all so ... we know the conceptual hierarchy is nothing to him.

And that's a minute feat,
in comparison with what his weaker counter-part (Jaspers 238) did,
which was,
actually thwarting Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn's power when he tried stopping J's warp.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8343/jjgo1.th.jpg

..................................................................................


Also,

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1046/25152532kp1.th.jpg

These are NOT cheesy visions of some future,
Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, guess what she witnessed,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9255/99178716vp9.th.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7533/48392736kk4.th.jpg

..................................................................................

That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

..................................................................................


I have no say on who wins this, can't be proven one way or another,
but I just wanted to present some perspective for the Jaspers side.

In addition,
Lucifer shaping a Universe or Multiverse (whatever) means nothing,
even if Lucifer had shaped all of creation it would still mean nothing in this battle,
because Merlyn DID manipulate the entire space/time continuum of the Omniverse,
and that capability (level of influence over reality) meant less than nothing to 238 Jaspers,
so imagine 616 Jaspers.

Just sayin,
Luc shaping whatever he shaped is not reason enough to say he wins,
and there's no reason to believe his in-famous head tricks would work on Jaspers,
no reason whatsoever.

One more thing,
according to the Michael respect thread, which was beautifully made,
Michael is above Lucifer,
and there were indeed stipulations as to how/why Luc was able to kill Michael. Beautifully typed but i still say Lucifer wins.

Lol, MJJ wins.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Lol, MJJ wins.

lol, Lucifer wins.

Originally posted by Utrigita
wasn't there a number of circumstances that enable Lucifer to kill Michael???

Lucifer was mind controlled. The fact that it happened on the Yggdrasil tree didn't really empower Lucifer in any way. They have both been stated to be second to no-one but Yahweh.

Originally posted by llagrok
lol, Lucifer wins.



Lucifer was mind controlled. The fact that it happened on the Yggdrasil tree didn't really empower Lucifer in any way. They have both been stated to be second to no-one but Yahweh.

okay cannot quiet remember though I seem to remember something about Michael being out of Gods Grace

Originally posted by Utrigita
okay cannot quiet remember though I seem to remember something about Michael being out of Gods Grace

He was.

Still had the Demiurge.

Originally posted by llagrok
He was.

Still had the Demiurge.

Okay I was just under the impression that it diminished his powerlevel...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay I was just under the impression that it diminished his powerlevel...

In all fairness, I don't think Michael was fighting with everything he had, but he was definitely trying to stop Lucifer.

Fenris was in control of Lucifer's body.

Lucifer.

Originally posted by llagrok
In all fairness, I don't think Michael was fighting with everything he had, but he was definitely trying to stop Lucifer.

Fenris was in control of Lucifer's body.

OKay cool.

btw I have seen some different analyses of the Multiverse/universe thing what is your opinion on that what was shaped was only what Luficer wanted to shape and if he wanted he could have shaped a omniverse???

I think Lucifer could if he wanted to.

Just like Elaine did.

SO he made a omniverse???

If I'm not horribly mistaken, which I might be. Lucifer created his own Omniverse and then later on Elaine did, using the demiurge.

I'm pretty sure it was a multiverse.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm pretty sure it was a multiverse.

Originally posted by llagrok

If I'm not horribly mistaken, which I might be.

Lucifer created his own Omniverse.

and then later on Elaine did, using the demiurge.
I have to disagree lla, cause this one I know about.

Lucifer was depicted creating a single Universe on panel,
this single Universe was then stated to be a Multiverse by Lucifer's claim.

It's impossible for anyone to create an Omniverse,
withIN the same Omniverse that encompasses either Reality (Marvel or DC)

DC Omniverse = Everything DC
Marvel Omniverse = Everything Marvel.

These OmniverseS have a connection during company cross-overs.

Only the writer/artist avatars seem to be beyond this,
since they actually draw what takes place withIN said Omniverses.

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Imo, if all Luc fans have is he shaped a universe or even multiverse,
it isn't enough reason to say he wins against Jaspers 616.
Especially when Jaspers 616's WEAKER counter-part (238)
was more powerful than Matrix/Merlyn (absolute Omniversal power - not just multiversal)

Whether Luc was able to do more or not is speculation,
on the other hand we KNOW Merlyn was able and did manipulate the entire Omniverse,
and yet,
238 Jaspers > Merlyn.
616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers

Again, no opinion on who wins,
but if it's based on Luc shaping reality, I can say with confidence,
that means nothing. (a fact proven already in Jaspers' case)

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm pretty sure it was a multiverse.

Yeah, that's what it was.

Okay could Luficer have used it to shape a Omniverse if he wanted??? Wasn't the multiverse that he created disconnected from the Yahwehs influence???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Wasn't the multiverse that he created disconnected from the Yahwehs influence??? Yes, it was disconnected -- but it was only that, a Multiverse.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, it was disconnected -- but it was only that, a Multiverse.

Okay what about the previous question could he If he wanted have made a omniverse???

Originally posted by llagrok
lol, Lucifer wins.



Lucifer was mind controlled. The fact that it happened on the Yggdrasil tree didn't really empower Lucifer in any way. They have both been stated to be second to no-one but Yahweh.
Dude read the comic book series before you start regurgitating shit.

Originally posted by llagrok
He was.

Still had the Demiurge.
Dude this proves you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Michael was out of God's graces, in fact God wasn't even at the Primium Mobile at the time. Michael was cast out because he interfered to save his daughter Elaine, which consequently allowed Lucifer to escape his death. Had Michael not done that, Lucifer would have been dead forever.

Originally posted by llagrok
In all fairness, I don't think Michael was fighting with everything he had, but he was definitely trying to stop Lucifer.

Fenris was in control of Lucifer's body.

The humor just doesn't stop. First of all both were depowered to begin with because God left the Primium Mobile. Secondly, Michael landed on his backs and broke his wings while Lucifer's wings remained in tact. If you took the time to actually read the series, you'd know that the wings are a crucial source of power for angels. Lucifer even acknowledges this during the fight. Not only that, Michael was trying to get Lucifer to snap out of the mindrape more than he was trying to fight him. Michael is depicted as reluctantly hurting Lucifer (reluctant means unwilling fyi). I have the fight on the Michael respect thread.

Originally posted by llagrok
If I'm not horribly mistaken, which I might be. Lucifer created his own Omniverse and then later on Elaine did, using the demiurge.
No, Lucifer created a UNIVERSE as noted throughout the entire series. In Nirvana he claims he created a totality, a multiverse but that's all that counts for, a claim, which isn't even backed up by what was displayed in the Lucifer series as we see that he didn't even take the time to properly shape some parts of his universe and they show the mutations that happened as a result of it.

Lets say he did create a multiverse, which he didn't. That isn't an impressive multiverse cuz Elaine (Duma, Lucifer, and Mazikeen) merged Lucifer's "Multiverse" and creation (God's universe), all into her universe. Her universe>"Multiverse"+universe.


And just to point out Lucifer was outpowered on panel by entities he referred to as the veilliety. He claims his willpower is greater than theirs but they overpowered him and blew this knife he was trying to kill them with back at him. He has to use a girl to kill them because they are too powerful, but they grant the wishes of humans, so he tricked the girl into wishing them dead before she got to wish her brother back to life.

Air Legend, suck my dick

Got Omniverse and multiverse wrong, whoopedi ****ing do.

Originally posted by llagrok
Air Legend, suck my dick

Got Omniverse and multiverse wrong, whoopedi ****ing do.

Lol....to put it bluntly Illagrok?

Originally posted by llagrok
Air Legend, suck my dick

Got Omniverse and multiverse wrong, whoopedi ****ing do.
Not only that:

Originally posted by llagrok
If I'm not horribly mistaken, which I might be. Lucifer created his own Omniverse and then later on Elaine did, using the demiurge.
Wrong. I already explained why.
Originally posted by llagrok
Lucifer was mind controlled. The fact that it happened on the Yggdrasil tree didn't really empower Lucifer in any way. They have both been stated to be second to no-one but Yahweh.
Wrong. I already explained why.
Originally posted by llagrok
He was.

Still had the Demiurge.
Wrong. I already explained why.
Originally posted by llagrok
I think Lucifer could if he wanted to.

Just like Elaine did.
Wrong. I already explained why.
Originally posted by llagrok
In all fairness, I don't think Michael was fighting with everything he had, but he was definitely trying to stop Lucifer.

Fenris was in control of Lucifer's body.
Wrong. I already explained why.

Not entirely sure what's up with you today, whether it's a stick up your ass or Quanchi ****ed your brains out. BUT, either way I don't really care, so you can take your air boots and shove 'em far up your ass.

I said Omniverse instead of Multiverse and misinterpreted Lucifer and Michael's fight, big deal. Unfortunately that attitude of yours might go well in your iliterate little retarded house, but it doesn't fly with me. So like I said, shove your nike shoes further up into your ass along with the stick, "aigth homeboy"?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Lol....to put it bluntly Illagrok?

Yeah, I reeeeeeally couldn't be arsed to download all of Lucifer again and start looking for details in the Michael/Lucifer fight.

Of course it didn't make much sense for Lucifer to create an omniverse, since that's but every possibility and etc.

I'd much rather take a 3 day ban than this shit.

Sorry you had to see this Bada

The ignore option is your friend.

Seriously, since I started putting all the idiots from this board on ignore I enjoy reading and discussing things much more.

Originally posted by llagrok
I'd much rather take a 3 day ban than this shit.

Sorry you had to see this Bada
Nah, I'm not reporting you cuz frankly I don't care (they are just words after all). However, it's extremely irritating to see someone misinform others and do it in an "I know it all" manner like you have done.

Originally posted by Air Legend
and do it in an "I know it all" manner like you have done.

Originally posted by llagrok
If I'm not horribly mistaken, which I might be.

Oh yeah, that manner of mine.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The ignore option is your friend.

Seriously, since I started putting all the idiots from this board on ignore I enjoy reading and discussing things much more.

I know, but I had to do something equally uncalled for.

If I see any more trouble from this thread I'll make a REAL ban list and add everyone involved. uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
If I see any more trouble from this thread I'll make a REAL ban list and add everyone involved. uhuh Heh cool i say that Lucifer is actually above Mad Jim but who cares anymore Lla gave him the business .

Lucifer, of course.

Bump.

God why....

To animate the board a bit

i think lucifer could win this one...... just because Mad Jim Jaspers is mad.... his madness been both strengh and weakness..

on a different note when talking about omniverses

marvel omnivwerse: everything marvel
Dc omniverse: everything DC

where does licenced propetys published by a company fit into the entire scale of omniverse? for example the shadow and the phantom both have been published by both DC and Marvel as have Conan et Al where do these fit in..... surely am omniverse is alll printer and published works in exsistance?

^true, they use the term wrongly.

anyway, lucifer wins this with ease.

Dearest me. Is that poster bothering people again?

MJJ could 1 shot him. Idk for sure though.

lucy rewrites rules... slaughters his now weak ass

Originally posted by iceman24567
God why.... That offends me...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That offends me...

Heh.

Ass.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That offends me... The creation of the Red Hulk offends me....

Lucifer

Lucifer.

lucifer

Aunt may arrives
forces herself on both

they go mad and kill themselves

The answer's pretty obvious

Rulk.

Does Badabing want his ass kicked again?