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What if the ENTIRE race of celestials went gone rogue and were determined to destroy the 616 universe.

Who or what could stop them?

Is Scathan included? If not, couldn't Eternity stop them?

If he is, isn't LT the only one that 'could'?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Is Scathan included? If not, couldn't Eternity stop them?

If he is, isn't LT the only one that 'could'?
scathan is included.

Based on you comment that Scathan is included then imo nothing below LT preferebly above based on his one showing and the Handbook Scathan is above LT how laugable it may be.

Originally posted by LORD B
scathan is included.

Hey Boo

As he is included, doesn't that mean that no-one besides The Living Tribunal has the power.

I'm not sure if the Scathan thing means that Scathan = LT, or Scathan > LT.

Either way, LT ftw/ stalemate.

Scathan with TOAA's backing, nothing would stop him, not even LT.

A wielder of the Infinity gauntlet?
A user of the HOTU?
Maybe a starbrand user?

Thanos with the HOTU stomps anybody.

doesn't exist anymore, friend

living tribunal and scathan...imo they =

Originally posted by guy222
doesn't exist anymore, friend

living tribunal and scathan...imo they =

Doesn't exist anymore, but hey, he would have win! :P

So... Is this fair to say that LT + Eternity would win?

Thanos w/Heart of the Infinite was Thanos at his highest. Of course, written by Starlin. Some of it to me didn't make sense. TOAA needed to use Thanos to fix a flaw. Wow. His creation is the Living Tribunal. That issue made Thanos shine

In regards to LT and Eternity vs Celestials and Scathan. Eternity should be able to defeat his 'creations'. Ah, then who made Scathan and wat about the one Celestial who was born in the Black Galaxy.

Do u think LT=Scathan or Scathan>LT

Originally posted by guy222
Thanos w/Heart of the Infinite was Thanos at his highest. Of course, written by Starlin. Some of it to me didn't make sense. TOAA needed to use Thanos to fix a flaw. Wow. His creation is the Living Tribunal. That issue made Thanos shine

In regards to LT and Eternity vs Celestials and Scathan. Eternity should be able to defeat his 'creations'. Ah, then who made Scathan and wat about the one Celestial who was born in the Black Galaxy.

Do u think LT=Scathan or Scathan>LT

I thought Eternity > Celestials (Except Scathan).

Another theory could be Eternity > Scathan/ Celestials, but for the purpose of that one story, Eternity < Scathan, because TOAA used Scathan as he used Thanos w/ HOTI.

Any sense to this my friend?

EDIT: I know Scathan only appeared in that one story, but for the purpose of the Celestials origins, Eternity must've created Scathan. Am i right? Not so sure.

In the GOTG arc it was suggested that Scathan was working on behalf of the supreme OAA. If that's true, no one but TOAA could stop them.

GOTG was cancelled too soon, my friends

Rumors persisted Scathan was part of the Beyonders. For the books, Scathan the Approver is a Celestial

For those issues, Scathan>Eternity/HawkGod/Beyonder and IMO, LT's equal. Scathan used the Celestial muzzle on the godlike Protege and then LT sealed the deal

Celestials are wondrous. Always good to guess who made them. If Eternity really made the Celestial race, wat about the Blue Celestial born in the Black Galaxy

Originally posted by guy222
GOTG was cancelled too soon, my friends

Rumors persisted Scathan was part of the Beyonders. For the books, Scathan the Approver is a Celestial

For those issues, Scathan>Eternity/HawkGod/Beyonder and IMO, LT's equal. Scathan used the Celestial muzzle and then LT sealed the deal

Celestials are wondrous. Always good to guess who made them. If Eternity really made the Celestial race, wat about the Blue Celestial born in the Black Galaxy

I'm just trying to understand more about them to be honest

I assumed Eternity created them, but as for the Blue Celestial from the Black Galaxy, i'm not so sure.

What's your theory pal?

I have always liked the 'energy beings' encased in armour theory. The reference about Eternity thru meditation was vague, but its in the books

I like ppl guessing who they are, where they are from. Its adds to the legacy

Originally posted by guy222
I have always liked the 'energy beings' encased in armour theory. The reference about Eternity thru meditation was vague, but its in the books

I like ppl guessing who they are, where they are from. Its adds to the legacy

I like thinking Eternity created them.

Mostly because i want to think that Eternity has actually done something good for a change. Instead of always being written to be a cosmic punchbag.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

Eternity must've created Scathan. Am i right? Not so sure.
Eternity created the Celestials,
and it wouldn't surprise me if Eternity created Scathan.
Eternity has created other beings that have surpassed him power.
Look at Wanda for crying out loud,
simple mutant once tore down the entire Omniverse.

Anywho, Eternity/Infinity being below anything inside them is ridiculous imo,
because Eternity/Infinity embody everything withIN them,
including the powers of everyone withIN them, that's part of them.

Its a shame the writers make Eternity out to a be jobber

He's very powerful

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity created the Celestials,
and it wouldn't surprise me if Eternity created Scathan.
Eternity has created other beings that have surpassed him power.
Look at Wanda for crying out loud,
simple mutant once tore down the entire Omniverse.

Anywho, Eternity/Infinity being below anything inside them is ridiculous imo,
because Eternity/Infinity embody everything withIN them,
including the powers of everyone withIN them, that's part of them.

That's what i was thinking, i couldn't quite get my head around how Eternity, being all that is, could not have control and authority over everything inside him.
I figured Eternity created Scathan, and then TOAA used Scathan as a vessel to 'get the job done', ala Thanos.
Also, i like to think that Scathan still exists, but at the power of the average Celestial, rather than The Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by guy222
Its a shame the writers make Eternity out to a be jobber

He's very powerful

I agree, his name says it all IMO. He should be 'everything'.

Originally posted by guy222
Its a shame the writers make Eternity out to a be jobber

He's very powerful
This is the real Eternity .. although he got punk'd here too,
atleast there was an attempt at some reasonable pis.


http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2718/47980481ws8.th.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

..................................................................................

Strange on Eternity:


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1516/etrw0.th.jpg

Strange:

"As I suspected,
he's managed to siphon off the Infinite energies of Eternity himself"

Namor:

"You speak as if Dormammu has become some kind of ... GOD."

Strange:

"GOD --- may be too small a word"

Namor:

"We've face self-styled gods before ... everytime we've stopped them"


Strange:

"You don't understand?

Eternity IS A GOD! He is ...
the complete embodiment of everyone and everything ...
... on All levels of Creation"

..................................................................................

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8027/etisuni2copysh4.th.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds Whole UniverseS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

In the Celestials Respect thread the starter listed several theoretical origins. The one that intrigued me the most was the one about how each Celestials was once the "Galactus" of his universe and becoming a Celestial is the next step on the ladder.

Eternity should be 2nd to LT in power

Look at his last appearance. It was in FF, and Eternity is dying again and he needs heroes to keep him alive. WTH. Really misuse the character

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is the real Eternity .. although he got punk'd here too,
atleast there was an attempt at some reasonable pis.


http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2718/47980481ws8.th.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

..................................................................................

Strange on Eternity:


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1516/etrw0.th.jpg

Strange:

"As I suspected,
he's managed to siphon off the Infinite energies of Eternity himself"

Namor:

"You speak as if Dormammu has become some kind of ... GOD."

Strange:

"GOD --- may be too small a word"

Namor:

"We've face self-styled gods before ... everytime we've stopped them"


Strange:

"You don't understand?

Eternity IS A GOD! He is ...
the complete embodiment of everyone and everything ...
... on All levels of Creation"

..................................................................................

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8027/etisuni2copysh4.th.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds Whole UniverseS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

The first scan defines Eternity as being EVERYTHING, Eternity should be written at a level like LT, i mean look what Eternity represents.

Thanks for posting the scans pal.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

The first scan defines Eternity as being EVERYTHING,
Eternity should be written at a level like LT,
i mean look what Eternity represents.
Precisely.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Thanks for posting the scans pal.
Here's another good depiction of what Eternity/Infinity is/are.

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Warlock goes searching for Eternity:

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5025/warlockcontactsthemultiverse3i.th.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6823/w1uo8.th.jpg

"The Building Blocks of Reality"

............................................................................................


Warlock finds Eternity/Infinity:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4966/w2yv9.th.jpg


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1615/eisp5.th.jpg

"An Astral Union of ALL, I never dreamt"

"You interrupt mortal,

... Speak your piece quickly and BE GONE"

............................................................................................


Here,
Eternity/Infinity let it be known how they could care less about one Universe.

They refer to other UniverseS are "A Part" of their totality:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1623/multiverse2co.th.jpg

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality,

... WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the ... WHOLE ... is absolutely indispensable"


............................................................................................


Again: ("WE Exist in Myriad Fashions"

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5109/multiverse28yb.th.jpg

"the Embodiment of Actuality, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions

... Do not pester Us with matter of little import

... unlike ourselves, our patience is not without limits"

............................................................................................


Warlock is sent away

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/253/warlocksentaway7oq.th.jpg

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/6889/warlockisinawe9mo.th.jpg


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Eternity - embodiment of Time:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/589/et17py.th.jpg



Infinity - embodiment of Space:

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4365/et27wf.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Precisely.

Here's another good depiction of what Eternity/Infinity is/are.

............................................................................................

Warlock goes searching for Eternity:

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5025/warlockcontactsthemultiverse3i.th.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6823/w1uo8.th.jpg

"The Building Blocks of Reality"

............................................................................................


Warlock finds Eternity/Infinity:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4966/w2yv9.th.jpg


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1615/eisp5.th.jpg

"An Astral Union of ALL, I never dreamt"

"You interrupt mortal,

... Speak your piece quickly and BE GONE"

............................................................................................


Here,
Eternity/Infinity let it be known how they could care less about one Universe.

They refer to other UniverseS are "A Part" of their totality:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1623/multiverse2co.th.jpg

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality,

... WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the ... WHOLE ... is absolutely indispensable"


............................................................................................


Again: ("WE Exist in Myriad Fashions"

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5109/multiverse28yb.th.jpg

"the Embodiment of Actuality, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions

... Do not pester Us with matter of little import

... unlike ourselves, our patience is not without limits"

............................................................................................


Warlock is sent away

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/253/warlocksentaway7oq.th.jpg

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/6889/warlockisinawe9mo.th.jpg


...........................................................................................


...........................................................................................


Eternity - embodiment of Time:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/589/et17py.th.jpg



Infinity - embodiment of Space:

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4365/et27wf.th.jpg

They get such big build ups, placed so high in power, so authoritative and absolute, and yet, get punked so easily.

I think Eternity/ Infinity should be number 2 below LT. They should be above everything.

Thanks again for the scans.