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who wins this fight here ? Shazam or thanos ?

shazam...wtf is thanos going to do against magic?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
shazam...wtf is thanos going to do against magic? hes imortal if you dont remember that

Originally posted by Master-Borg
shazam...wtf is thanos going to do against magic? He didnt do to badly against Odin now did he?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt do to badly against Odin now did he? exactly

his body may be unaible to die

but what if shazam kept hitting him wit dat lightning?

what part of thanos' being gets scorched then?

whoever said that his lightning was ever going to hit Thanos? Thanos has errected barriers capable of taking a hit from Galactus.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
whoever said that his lightning was ever going to hit Thanos? Thanos has errected barriers capable of taking a hit from Galactus. thanos has taken out eternity and living tribunal together solo before if he can do them than shazam shouldnt be trouble right ?

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
his body may be unaible to die

but what if shazam kept hitting him wit dat lightning?

what part of thanos' being gets scorched then? 'dat lightning' pwns. ermm

Thanos. If he can stand to Odin, he can stand easely in front of Marvel.

Thanos. He has gotten an upgrade since he fought Odin, and Shazam is inferior to Odin imo.

I think it is a tough call, however i give it to Thanos because his force fields and Durability is monstrous, and his Telepathy has affected Galactus. Plus the power up since is battle with Odin IN Asgard.

this would be a great fight can go either way.

Hmm id give a slight advantage to thanos in neutral territory. Thanos many beat shazam but will not kill him.

On the rock of eternity, I dont care what upgrades you give thanos King Kandy shazam is going to rape thanos.

And for thoses people who think shazam is only a old man with wizardary skills. He physically is stronger then superman captian marvel easily.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos. He has gotten an upgrade since he fought Odin, and Shazam is inferior to Odin imo. Good points.

thanos ftw

Shazam wins.

Thanos wins. Rather easily.

Interesting to see if the Shazam fans (see above) would care to actually give some support to this ludicrous theory of Thanos losing.

Originally posted by Avlon
Shazam wins.

I get the feeling any member of the Quintessence would stomp Thanos.

Amiright?

Originally posted by llagrok
I get the feeling any member of the Quintessence would stomp Thanos.

Amiright? No you are wrong.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Thanos wins. Rather easily.

Interesting to see if the Shazam fans (see above) would care to actually give some support to this ludicrous theory of Thanos losing.


shazam is skyfather level, actually put up a fight against the specter a depowered version of him i might add. Ya ill agree with ya guys, id go with thanos over shazam in neutral territory. But in his own realm.

No way.


Its all speculative though since thanos has a long record of tough battles. hes even took shots from galactus. The problem with shazam and even the new marvel is there is not alot of imfo on them right now. And ill be honest i dont think there ever will be . Them characters are like side stories in the world of D.C. But the potential is there. Now if its were galactus, i dont think any version of shazam could touch him but this isnt galactus we are talking about this is thanos. Hes one tough SOB but do not sell shazam short.


And there are no facts or theories to this guys.


its FICTION.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Good points.


How is shazam inferior to Odin. You marvel boys are basising your opinions on just that your opinions. There is not enough imfo on Shazam or the new marvel to make such a judgment.


Odin thor thanos theses guys have been around forever till then D.C. is going to have to do alot of writing involving The new marvel (shazam and captian marvel infused.) to see exactly what hes capable of.


you guys are just guessing.

Originally posted by spidey-dude
hes imortal if you dont remember that

shazam is also immortal.


the trials of shazam volume 1 page 4

Shazam.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos. He has gotten an upgrade since he fought Odin, and Shazam is inferior to Odin imo.




THANOS FTW

There is no way Thanos can beat Shazam Marvel. He shouldn't have even lasted 5 seconds with Odin. These skyfather beings can easily take away Thanos powers or his ability to control his structure (and thus turn him into a table). Odin can possibly put an enchantment on Thanos arms to prevent him from even lifting them (like he did Mjlonir).

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way Thanos can beat Shazam Marvel. He shouldn't have even lasted 5 seconds with Odin. These skyfather beings can easily take away Thanos powers or his ability to control his structure (and thus turn him into a table). Odin can possibly put an enchantment on Thanos arms to prevent him from even lifting them (like he did Mjlonir). The comics say otherwise. Read their titanic confrontation. It showed off Thanos' impressive durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way Thanos can beat Shazam Marvel. He shouldn't have even lasted 5 seconds with Odin. These skyfather beings can easily take away Thanos powers or his ability to control his structure (and thus turn him into a table). Odin can possibly put an enchantment on Thanos arms to prevent him from even lifting them (like he did Mjlonir).
Well clearly Thanos is to powerful for Odin to do this since he didn't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well clearly Thanos is to powerful for Odin to do this since he didn't.

Nah! The comics make characters dumb most of the time.
Like when they have Thor fighting like an idiot with a club.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nah! The comics make characters dumb most of the time.
Like when they have Thor fighting like an idiot with a club. The point is Odin cant easily defeat Thanos or he would have. Thanos is that darn good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Odin cant easily defeat Thanos or he would have. Thanos is that darn good.

Nah! Thanos is sh!t compared to Odin.
Why didn't firelord beat Spider-man?
Why did Hulk beat Thor sometimes?

I guess Spider-man and Hulk are that darn good.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nah! Thanos is sh!t compared to Odin.
Why didn't firelord beat Spider-man?
Why did Hulk beat Thor sometimes?

I guess Spider-man and Hulk are that darn good. Firelord and Spiderman is bad writing and by their powersets alone have no business interacting at all with one another.

Hulk is physically more than Thor. When Thor doesnt use his hammer Hulk would beat him down. Thor relies on his hammer too much.


Now with regards to Thanos he is above top tier and can compete with Odin. Odin oneshotted the Silver Surfer in this story but couldnt put Thanos down. Its canon bro so dislike it all you want it makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its canon bro. So is Spiderman vs. Firelord. This is forum fights and not comic ones. In a forum fight Hulk will never ever ever ever beat Thor. This is because Thor can just fly high in the air and BFR him. And with Thanos vs. Odin, Thanos couldn't last 1 minute against Odin. Odin would either take away his powers, turn him into a table, or curse his arms not to be lifted.

Originally posted by h1a8
So is Spiderman vs. Firelord. This is forum fights and not comic ones. In a forum fight Hulk will never ever ever ever beat Thor. This is because Thor can just fly high in the air and BFR him. And with Thanos vs. Odin, Thanos couldn't last 1 minute against Odin. Odin would either take away his powers, turn him into a table, or curse his arms not to be lifted.


That is nonsense!

Based on Thanos' power-set and previous appearances it is Extremely difficult to alter his structure, plus he has knowledge of the arcane to help prevent such magical tamperings.

Not to mention a track record for battling vastly powerful opponents (Tyrant & Odin & Galactus, etc.), he dismisses Top tiers like they are barely annoyances (Silver Surfer, Dumb Drax, Hulk, etc.)

Thanos has always been written as a character that is a force to be reckon with, after all he was originally based off of Darkseid (who was meant to be very powerful & cunning). Even in the event that he loses he usually does so with some dignity, as opposed to others like Darkseid himself (who got washed up by Superman).

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
That is nonsense!

Based on Thanos' power-set and previous appearances it is Extremely difficult to alter his structure, plus he has knowledge of the arcane to help prevent such magical tamperings.

Not to mention a track record for battling vastly powerful opponents (Tyrant & Odin & Galactus, etc.), he dismisses Top tiers like they are barely annoyances (Silver Surfer, Dumb Drax, Hulk, etc.)

Thanos has always been written as a character that is a force to be reckon with, after all he was originally based off of Darkseid (who was meant to be very powerful & cunning). Even in the event that he loses he usually does so with some dignity, as opposed to others like Darkseid himself (who got washed up by Superman).
Altering one's structure "magically" is the key. I believe no one on Odin's level has ever tried to put a spell on Thanos.

A track record means absolutely nothing. If Thor fought a billion times and lost against bricks like Hulk and such, then that has nothing to do with his ability to BFR them if he never tried. I don't believe Thanos have any knowledge in magic. So that kills his ability to defend against it. If Odin puts a spell on Thanos it will succeed. Consider those arms cursed.

Originally posted by h1a8
So is Spiderman vs. Firelord. This is forum fights and not comic ones. In a forum fight Hulk will never ever ever ever beat Thor. This is because Thor can just fly high in the air and BFR him. And with Thanos vs. Odin, Thanos couldn't last 1 minute against Odin. Odin would either take away his powers, turn him into a table, or curse his arms not to be lifted. No you are arguing based purely on powersets which is faulty indeed. If we dont go by the comics it might as well be a powerset battle as we can leave the characters out and how they have been portrayed in comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nah! The comics make characters dumb most of the time.
Like when they have Thor fighting like an idiot with a club.
Nah. We see exactly how strong Thanos is from this fight: a bit under Skyfather. This is not a low showing on Odin's part, it merely shows how high-level Thanos is.

Shazam took on Spectre and done well, wouldn't that put him above Thanos?

I don't know. That Spectre was very depowered.

Wasn't he also weakened from a battle a while before?

Originally posted by zeel
How is shazam inferior to Odin. You marvel boys are basising your opinions on just that your opinions. There is not enough imfo on Shazam or the new marvel to make such a judgment.


Odin thor thanos theses guys have been around forever till then D.C. is going to have to do alot of writing involving The new marvel (shazam and captian marvel infused.) to see exactly what hes capable of.


you guys are just guessing.

To be honest, you contradicted yourself by saying that Shazam is a skyfather and asking how THE skyfather is superior to him.

Thanos probably takes a majority in this battle.

Originally posted by Troop
Shazam took on Spectre and done well, wouldn't that put him above Thanos? Thanos > Spectre, duh.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nah. We see exactly how strong Thanos is from this fight: a bit under Skyfather. This is not a low showing on Odin's part, it merely shows how high-level Thanos is. So would the same coutesy extend to Superman, since he's actually beaten gods and high end cosmics instead of merely surviving or running away?

Or is this a Marvel only club?

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos > Spectre, duh.

Especially the weak and pathetic DoV Spectre !!!!111

Anyone giving Thanos even a single win here is a marvel biased fanboy. Shazam wins. Get over it.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Thanos wins. Rather easily.

Interesting to see if the Shazam fans (see above) would care to actually give some support to this ludicrous theory of Thanos losing.
It's a pity that you're just as much as a Marvel fanboy as some are DC fanboys around here.
Did you think Thanos was starting with the IG in this fight or something?

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos > Spectre, duh. Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Especially the weak and pathetic DoV Spectre !!!!111

Originally posted by quanchi112
Good points.

Originally posted by Troop
Shazam took on Spectre and done well, wouldn't that put him above Thanos? Shazam also had the home field advantage where he is more powerful and had prepped for this confrontation.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Anyone giving Thanos even a single win here is a marvel biased fanboy. Shazam wins. Get over it. That isnt a good debating tactic. I dont call you a dc biased fanboy because you are basiclaly the only one giving Supes a win over Odin. There is more than just one poster giving Thanos the win here.


Help me out with some Shazam feats outside his realm. Could you provide any.

Originally posted by Juntai
So would the same coutesy extend to Superman, since he's actually beaten gods and high end cosmics instead of merely surviving or running away?

Or is this a Marvel only club? Name them.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Anyone giving Thanos even a single win here is a marvel biased fanboy. Shazam wins. Get over it.
and your not being anti marvel/dc biased.by saying that thanos cant manage a single win against shazam on neutral ground,despite pre upgraded thanos' showing against odin,who is superior the shazam.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
It's a pity that you're just as much as a Marvel fanboy as some are DC fanboys around here.
Did you think Thanos was starting with the IG in this fight or something?

Imbecile. Having an opinion doesn't constitute fanboyism.

It's a pity you even posted in the first place.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't know. That Spectre was very depowered.

Good lord folks. the specter took out the lords of magic and several sky father gods then killed shazam (skyfather) in his own realm. then he took on captian marvel which at the time was infused with all the rewmaining magic in the dc univers and he still beat the piss outta captian marvel and he was in a weakend state.

Point being the wizard shazam stood up to him for a while thats freaking amazing.

weakend state or not it dont matter anyone even putting up a fight against the specter has balls.

think thanos would last longer against the specter though but ultimatly would be smoked.

that give you guys in marvel a idea of how powerful the specter is. he took on half the galaxy and he was in a weakend state. and just to last a short time against him is crazy insane.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way Thanos can beat Shazam Marvel. He shouldn't have even lasted 5 seconds with Odin. These skyfather beings can easily take away Thanos powers or his ability to control his structure (and thus turn him into a table). Odin can possibly put an enchantment on Thanos arms to prevent him from even lifting them (like he did Mjlonir).

thanos like thor is one of the non gods that has actually stood up to skyfathers.

thanos like thor is very versital combine raw power with technology id bet he could hold his own against a skyfather for at least a while.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The comics say otherwise. Read their titanic confrontation. It showed off Thanos' impressive durability.

your guessing yet again, until thanos fights shazam you have no clue. or till shazam gets more seat time and we get to see what he can do.

till then thanos has a better track record.


but the potential of shazam beating thanos is very much there.

just no proof yet.

Originally posted by Ouallada
To be honest, you contradicted yourself by saying that Shazam is a skyfather and asking how THE skyfather is superior to him.

Thanos probably takes a majority in this battle.

no i asekd how is shazam inferior to odin read my comment.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No you are arguing based purely on powersets which is faulty indeed. If we dont go by the comics it might as well be a powerset battle as we can leave the characters out and how they have been portrayed in comics.

over 90% of the time comic fights are inconsistent and faulty. That is to say that most of these fights simply cannot be trusted. We must look carefully and logically into the situation at hand. That means power sets and specific relevant things (not general) that characters have done consistently in the past. Can Spiderman possibly get hit by a punch traveling much much slower than many high caliber bullets? Knowing what Galactus is capable of in the past, can Sentry really stalemate Galactus? Can Onslaught really pull a non-existent gem from Juggs chest? Can squirrel girl actually beat Thanos and Thanos taken off with handcuffs by police? I can go on for a long long time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nah. We see exactly how strong Thanos is from this fight: a bit under Skyfather. This is not a low showing on Odin's part, it merely shows how high-level Thanos is.

Thanos is far below a skyfather in power set. He needs magic resistance against spells and curses to bridge the gap.

Originally posted by h1a8
over 90% of the time comic fights are inconsistent and faulty. That is to say that most of these fights simply cannot be trusted. We must look carefully and logically into the situation at hand. That means power sets and specific relevant things (not general) that characters have done consistently in the past. Can Spiderman possibly get hit by a punch traveling much much slower than many high caliber bullets? Knowing what Galactus is capable of in the past, can Sentry really stalemate Galactus? Can Onslaught really pull a non-existent gem from Juggs chest? Can squirrel girl actually beat Thanos and Thanos taken off with handcuffs by police? I can go on for a long long time. So you dont take into account what the comics say. Perfect I get what you are saying now. You take the characters out of this and try to argue powerset vs powerset. This explains why why you ignore what happens in the comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is far below a skyfather in power set. He needs magic resistance against spells and curses to bridge the gap. Tell me about a Thanos defeat that had to do with a spell being cast or something of that nature to prove your point.

Adam Warlock........ Or any of the clones who've been beaten by magic.

If you get to blast DS for avatars and BS, I'm going to hammer Thanos on his clones.

Originally posted by zeel
your guessing yet again, until thanos fights shazam you have no clue. or till shazam gets more seat time and we get to see what he can do.

till then thanos has a better track record.


but the potential of shazam beating thanos is very much there.

just no proof yet. No duh. Of course I dont know exactly what would happen but I have an opinion based on what Thanos has done prior. I saw his fight with Odin who is superior to Shazam so I say Thanos wins.

Originally posted by zeel
no i asekd how is shazam inferior to odin read my comment.

You: Shazam is probably a skyfather.
Me: Odin is THE skyfather.
Doesn't that say enough about why Odin is > Shazam?

Originally posted by Ouallada
You: Shazam is probably a skyfather.
Me: Odin is THE skyfather.
Doesn't that say enough about why Odin is > Shazam?

Odin could never have stood up to the Spectre during DOV the way Shazam did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you dont take into account what the comics say. Perfect I get what you are saying now. You take the characters out of this and try to argue powerset vs powerset. This explains why why you ignore what happens in the comics.

I respect you a lot now Quanchi. You're very smart. You are probably the first to figure this out.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Odin could never have stood up to the Spectre during DOV the way Shazam did.

Maybe..... Maybe that says a lot more about Spectre than it does about Shazam?

HMM. WELL THANOS WITH PREP COULD GET SOME WINS. BUT SHAZAM WITH PREP WAS ABLE TO BATTLE THE SPECTRE. SHAZAM WINS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No duh. Of course I dont know exactly what would happen but I have an opinion based on what Thanos has done prior. I saw his fight with Odin who is superior to Shazam so I say Thanos wins.
THIS MAKES NO SENSE. JUST BECAUSE THANOS GOT BEAT UP BY ODIN MEANS HE CAN BEAT SHAZAM? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. SHAZAM SEEMS TO BE AS POWERFUL AS ODIN. HE STOOD UP TO THE SPECTRE. NAME ONE MULTIVERSAL BEING THAT ODIN HAS FOUGHT?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tell me about a Thanos defeat that had to do with a spell being cast or something of that nature to prove your point.
IMO,
Magic >>Science unless the power behind the science comes from a greater source than the magic. Even SS said that Thor's mallet magic surpasses his cosmic powers. (Not that I necessarily believe that though)

Thanos was curse by death. But that don't quite prove my point.

I just feel that Odin can enchant Captain America's shield not to be lifted (like Thor's hammer) and it is the most durable thing in the Marvel Universe. No amount of strength Hulk can reach would be able to lift it.

Note: The lifting curse/enchantment probably uses force mirrors (mirroring your own lifting force in the opposite direction in order to make it impossible for anyone of any strength not to lift. Meaning, someone would be trying to lift against their own strength and fail everytime).

So Thanos being less durable than CA's shield and less strong than what Hulk can potentially reach and not having any magical power to resist curses should make Odin easily be able to curse his arms not to be lifted (like Mjlonir). Or simply just apply a force mirror to Thanos arms (and probably his head too . )

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Odin could never have stood up to the Spectre during DOV the way Shazam did. With prep I think he would have done a better job especially in asgard his home turf.

Originally posted by h1a8
I respect you a lot now Quanchi. You're very smart. You are probably the first to figure this out. Uhm this isnt how you should argue character vs character though. This is how you should argue powerset vs powerset. We have to take into account what these characters do in the comics.

For those who use abc logic.
I think Spectre>>>Celestials>>>Odin

Originally posted by quanchi112
With prep I think he would have done a better job especially in asgard his home turf.

ODIN HAD PROBLEMS WITH OTHER GODS. HOW WOULD HE DO BETTER AGAINST THE SPECTRE?

Originally posted by fangirl101
THIS MAKES NO SENSE. JUST BECAUSE THANOS GOT BEAT UP BY ODIN MEANS HE CAN BEAT SHAZAM? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. SHAZAM SEEMS TO BE AS POWERFUL AS ODIN. HE STOOD UP TO THE SPECTRE. NAME ONE MULTIVERSAL BEING THAT ODIN HAS FOUGHT? You remind me of someone. What feats does he have that put him as a peer of Odin.


Shazam prepped and was at the rock of eternity and used his artifacts to battle him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
ODIN HAD PROBLEMS WITH OTHER GODS. HOW WOULD HE DO BETTER AGAINST THE SPECTRE? Name them.

Originally posted by h1a8
For those who use abc logic.
I think Spectre>>>Celestials>>>Odin Celestials would hammer the Specte.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Celestials would hammer the Specte.

So celestials>>>God?

Implying Spectre empowered by the Presense (God).

Originally posted by h1a8
So celestials>>>God?

Implying Spectre empowered by the Presense (God). The Spectre couldnt defeat Captain Marvel who was amped. The Spectre also couldnt destroy the Am. These are two instances where the Spectre failed. Granted one of these instances he had no host. The Spectre was also taken care of and put in a cage. If he left the cage all of reality would perish. The Spectre isnt the Presence. There are ways to stop him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Spectre couldnt defeat Captain Marvel who was amped. The Spectre also couldnt destroy the Am. These are two instances where the Spectre failed. Granted one of these instances he had no host. The Spectre was also taken care of and put in a cage. If he left the cage all of reality would perish. The Spectre isnt the Presence. There are ways to stop him.

a celestial is weaker than galactus. how in the heck are they supposed to beat up on the spectre? captain marvel wasn't just amped, he had all the remaining magic in the universe pumping thru him. oh and the spectre wasn't in his full ability. so i don't see how you are coming up with your judgement. it's your right to think that way, but it doesn't really line up. in the new dc universe 0, it is even alluded that the spectre's outlook actually changes with each new host, and thus changes how and why he uses his power. as for the cage thing, well, i rather think that shows how much power the spectre has. if he even moved he would destroy all of creation. kinda let's you know that he's nothing to be mucked with.

Originally posted by fangirl101
a celestial is weaker than galactus. how in the heck are they supposed to beat up on the spectre? captain marvel wasn't just amped, he had all the remaining magic in the universe pumping thru him. oh and the spectre wasn't in his full ability. so i don't see how you are coming up with your judgement. it's your right to think that way, but it doesn't really line up. in the new dc universe 0, it is even alluded that the spectre's outlook actually changes with each new host, and thus changes how and why he uses his power. as for the cage thing, well, i rather think that shows how much power the spectre has. if he even moved he would destroy all of creation. kinda let's you know that he's nothing to be mucked with. That is highly debatable. I was talking about the Celestials anyways. Remember when the fourth host came to Asgard and they amped themselves up in defense. They couldnt beat one...not one. I think they could definitely do more harm to Galactus for sure. Didnt the godblast drive him off before.



Oh I clarified the differences. But please feel free to point out where he was weaker. Id like for you to prove the Spectre wasnt at full power in dov. Your new right so please prove this.

The Spectre wasnt the one about to destroy creation it was the trap that was set if he tried to escape. He didnt want that outcome.

Captain Marvel was indeed very powerful. But he had a finite source of magic amping him. Nabu had already been dealt with as well so he wasnt getting anything from him correct? He was being amped by a finite source of magic that made him a badass but thats not the kicker. To me its that he was easily rocking the Spectre. The Spectre was getting destroyed and if the power source had not been cut off he would have lost. Thank the enchantress for that one.

Shazam

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is highly debatable. I was talking about the Celestials anyways. Remember when the fourth host came to Asgard and they amped themselves up in defense. They couldnt beat one...not one. I think they could definitely do more harm to Galactus for sure. Didnt the godblast drive him off before.



Oh I clarified the differences. But please feel free to point out where he was weaker. Id like for you to prove the Spectre wasnt at full power in dov. Your new right so please prove this.

The Spectre wasnt the one about to destroy creation it was the trap that was set if he tried to escape. He didnt want that outcome.

Captain Marvel was indeed very powerful. But he had a finite source of magic amping him. Nabu had already been dealt with as well so he wasnt getting anything from him correct? He was being amped by a finite source of magic that made him a badass but thats not the kicker. To me its that he was easily rocking the Spectre. The Spectre was getting destroyed and if the power source had not been cut off he would have lost. Thank the enchantress for that one.

at full power the spectre has destroyed realities, merged with god, fought the arch angel, and weakened the nearly all powerful anti-monitor to defeat. he also pretty much beat the parallax with little effort. it's clearly obvious that the spectre wasn't at full power in dov. and even then, he was still beating everyone. i think he even said that he knew he would win. it was all some kind of drama to him.

anyway, this is all off topic. shazam would prolly just make thanos one of his marvel's and be done with it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
at full power the spectre has destroyed realities, merged with god, fought the arch angel, and weakened the nearly all powerful anti-monitor to defeat. he also pretty much beat the parallax with little effort. it's clearly obvious that the spectre wasn't at full power in dov. and even then, he was still beating everyone. i think he even said that he knew he would win. it was all some kind of drama to him.

anyway, this is all off topic. shazam would prolly just make thanos one of his marvel's and be done with it. Am isnt all powerful and he only weakened him which means there are other beings out there he cant defeat on his own.

Parallax was also defeated in sinestro corps. Explain to why its obvious he was in a weakened state. Explain to me the reasons that lead you to believe this.

He also was frightened in space and said they almost destroyed him. If he could see the future why couldnt he see that what he was doing was wrong and that eclipso was obviously using him. He couldnt even tell that he wasnt destroying magic at all. I see lots of holes in your reasoning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am isnt all powerful and he only weakened him which means there are other beings out there he cant defeat on his own.

Parallax was also defeated in sinestro corps. Explain to why its obvious he was in a weakened state. Explain to me the reasons that lead you to believe this.

He also was frightened in space and said they almost destroyed him. If he could see the future why couldnt he see that what he was doing was wrong and that eclipso was obviously using him. He couldnt even tell that he wasnt destroying magic at all. I see lots of holes in your reasoning.

AM is more powerful than almost any being in existence. He's considered the strongest being in the history of DCU. It took most of the remaining heroes and villains including Spectre himself to bring him down.

Parallax wasn't the insane superpower from Zero Hour. Mainly cause he hadn't absorbed the CPB. He was basically Ion level.

Spectre was operating outside his chosen area. He was working without the Presence's blessing, and most importantly, HE WAS NOT BOUND TO A MORTAL HOST! Without a mortal host, his judgement and power are greatly impaired. Plus, Eclipso used to have his job, so of course Spectre could be manipulated by him.

You keep trying to turn this into a low showing for Spectre and others, but in reality, it shows his power is vastly higher than almost anyone else's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am isnt all powerful and he only weakened him which means there are other beings out there he cant defeat on his own.

Parallax was also defeated in sinestro corps. Explain to why its obvious he was in a weakened state. Explain to me the reasons that lead you to believe this.

He also was frightened in space and said they almost destroyed him. If he could see the future why couldnt he see that what he was doing was wrong and that eclipso was obviously using him. He couldnt even tell that he wasnt destroying magic at all. I see lots of holes in your reasoning.

of course the antimonitor isn't all powerful. only god is all powerful. he still managed to eat two realities and get thier power.

and parallax in the sinestro corps was not the same one that the spectre fought. so exactly how you are comparing them i don't understand. parallax with hal jordan's will power was a completely different beast than by itself or with anyone else at the helm.

as for the spectre not seeing that he was destroying magic, um that was the whole point of the story. the spectre with no host isn't tethered. it's not wound up right. it has a few screws lost. as far as i see it, different spectres mean different lvls of power and different skill sets. it's not different than donald blake thor and eric masterson thor and beta ray bill and who ever else has been thor. the same name or powers don't mean it's the same skill set, perception, use of said power, or even what ever. you get the point.

Originally posted by fangirl101
of course the antimonitor isn't all powerful. only god is all powerful. he still managed to eat two realities and get thier power.

and parallax in the sinestro corps was not the same one that the spectre fought. so exactly how you are comparing them i don't understand. parallax with hal jordan's will power was a completely different beast than by itself or with anyone else at the helm.

as for the spectre not seeing that he was destroying magic, um that was the whole point of the story. the spectre with no host isn't tethered. it's not wound up right. it has a few screws lost. as far as i see it, different spectres mean different lvls of power and different skill sets. it's not different than donald blake thor and eric masterson thor and beta ray bill and who ever else has been thor. the same name or powers don't mean it's the same skill set, perception, use of said power, or even what ever. you get the point. We have seen Parallax twice. We have to take into account both appearances and he was defeated twice and the second time it took a lot less than the Spectre.

Yes, the Spectre was confused during the whole story arc. So saying he could see the future and that he would win isnt a valid point. He made a claim and backed it but by no means can we imply he saw the future by this prediction.

The Spectres power itself therefore doesnt change but only its host and how he wants to use that power. Again I see no reason why the Spectre hostless was depowered. It was just goofy and needed a host to better direct it and steer it right.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
AM is more powerful than almost any being in existence. He's considered the strongest being in the history of DCU. It took most of the remaining heroes and villains including Spectre himself to bring him down.

Parallax wasn't the insane superpower from Zero Hour. Mainly cause he hadn't absorbed the CPB. He was basically Ion level.

Spectre was operating outside his chosen area. He was working without the Presence's blessing, and most importantly, HE WAS NOT BOUND TO A MORTAL HOST! Without a mortal host, his judgement and power are greatly impaired. Plus, Eclipso used to have his job, so of course Spectre could be manipulated by him.

You keep trying to turn this into a low showing for Spectre and others, but in reality, it shows his power is vastly higher than almost anyone else's.

Eclipso didn't use have Spectre's job.

That part is false therefore everything you said must be false!

"of course the antimonitor isn't all powerful. only god is all powerful. he still managed to eat two realities and get thier power."

Infinite universes, not two. And he was getting ready to start that all over again when they dropped Warworld on him. and he was still weakened even before that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
AM is more powerful than almost any being in existence. He's considered the strongest being in the history of DCU. It took most of the remaining heroes and villains including Spectre himself to bring him down.

Parallax wasn't the insane superpower from Zero Hour. Mainly cause he hadn't absorbed the CPB. He was basically Ion level.

Spectre was operating outside his chosen area. He was working without the Presence's blessing, and most importantly, HE WAS NOT BOUND TO A MORTAL HOST! Without a mortal host, his judgement and power are greatly impaired. Plus, Eclipso used to have his job, so of course Spectre could be manipulated by him.

You keep trying to turn this into a low showing for Spectre and others, but in reality, it shows his power is vastly higher than almost anyone else's. If Am is considered the most powerful being in history he has his limitations. He was the most powerful up until that point and saying he is still the most powerful of all time is entirely debatable I am sure.

The Am could be weakened and thus had limitations which to me means that the Spectre although extremely powerful himself also has limitations. He couldnt stop the Am on his own and needed the heroes help to defeat him.

The Spectre also got his ass handed to him by an amped Marvel. now this is by no means a low showing but it does indeed show us that the Spectre can have his ass kicked and pretty handily.

All this proves is at Parallax's most powerful he in under Spectre still which is still below imo amped Marvel and Am.

working without the Presences blessing didnt take away his powers and he still leveled the entire dcu of magic. It isnt like his powers were cut off.

Spectre without a host is easily duped is all this proves.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"of course the antimonitor isn't all powerful. only god is all powerful. he still managed to eat two realities and get thier power."

Infinite universes, not two. And he was getting ready to start that all over again when they dropped Warworld on him. and he was still weakened even before that. He isnt even close imo. He could be weakened enough to be killed by Superman. So thus you could do damage to him and its not as if he was backed up an infinite power source than by say the ig. The ig user could never be killed by a common hero. In short the ig user could only be defeated by someone more powerful as you couldnt do overall damage and weaken an ig user as you could with the Am.

Why is there the reasoning that Shazam losing to Spectre during crisis means that Shazam > Celestials? I'm sure we all agree that Spectre during that arc was either jobbing (if you go the route that believes that he was at FP) or he was depowered, but to an unknown extent, because he was not an agent of the Presence during that arc. I would say the second is more logical.

What that means is that we have two characters, AM and DoV spectre, whose power levels are effectively judged by what they did against each other. The reasoning is simple. AM may have trounced all those heroes, but the culmination of all the heroes is still insignificant next to his feats against the spectre. DoV spectre had his battles against Shazam and CM, but the latter was only sigificant with the backing of all the channeled magic. To take two characters whose only main show of power comes in this story arc and drawing a conclusion from how they did against each other is simply difficult to swallow.

Arguments for Shazam are relevant here, but that battle against the spectre should not be the only thing discussed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No duh. Of course I dont know exactly what would happen but I have an opinion based on what Thanos has done prior. I saw his fight with Odin who is superior to Shazam so I say Thanos wins.

until shazam or the current marvel has proven other wise and got some seat time in the comics and proved he can do some amazing feats.


yes id have to go with odin.


the only real feat shazam acomplished was the specter battle lasting more then 5 seconds to even a weakend specter was awsome.


now notice i as a Dc fan did mention the specter was in a weakend state so there is no reason to reply to my comment .....oh...oh....oh but he was in a weakend state =)

that small battle alone tells me that shazam would put up a hell of a fight against odin winning or not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
With prep I think he would have done a better job especially in asgard his home turf.

Yep would have to agree with you i think he could have done just as good if not better then shazam. Never the less he would have died in the fight. Odin aint beating a depowered version of the specter.

nope,nope,nope.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Spectre couldnt defeat Captain Marvel who was amped. The Spectre also couldnt destroy the Am. These are two instances where the Spectre failed. Granted one of these instances he had no host. The Spectre was also taken care of and put in a cage. If he left the cage all of reality would perish. The Spectre isnt the Presence. There are ways to stop him.

Just goes to show you how powerful the weaker versions of the specter are. And yep will have to agree with you again. There are ways to beat the specter under certian circumstances.

He did this severly underpowered.


By the end of the fight the specter was in better shape then cap was.

All im saying is dont try to play down that particular fight with Marvel and the specter. His weaker version did battle and in my opinion,even though it was a stalemate. He battled marvel and the entire D.C.'s universe's magic users. And was the last one standing

Originally posted by zeel
until shazam or the current marvel has proven other wise and got some seat time in the comics and proved he can do some amazing feats.


yes id have to go with odin.


the only real feat shazam acomplished was the specter battle lasting more then 5 seconds to even a weakend specter was awsome.


now notice i as a Dc fan did mention the specter was in a weakend state so there is no reason to reply to my comment .....oh...oh....oh but he was in a weakend state =)

that small battle alone tells me that shazam would put up a hell of a fight against odin winning or not. In his onw realm and with prep. If Thanos had time to prep and use artifacts he would stomp this Spectre.

Originally posted by zeel
Just goes to show you how powerful the weaker versions of the specter are. And yep will have to agree with you again. There are ways to beat the specter under certian circumstances.

He did this severly underpowered.


By the end of the fight the specter was in better shape then cap was.

All im saying is dont try to play down that particular fight with Marvel and the specter. His weaker version did battle and in my opinion,even though it was a stalemate. He battled marvel and the entire D.C.'s universe's magic users. And was the last one standing He was in better shape because Captain Marvel lost his amp. The Spectre couldnt even put down a regular Captain Marvel after this fight because of the damage that Marvel did to him before he lost his amp.


Then he was carted away by Eclipso till he could recover. Again if he didnt lose his amp Spectre would have been destroyed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In his onw realm and with prep. If Thanos had time to prep and use artifacts he would stomp this Spectre.
with prep thanos took down the hunger who dwarfs shazams power.

Originally posted by Nihilist
with prep thanos took down the hunger who dwarfs shazams power.

Originally posted by Nihilist
with prep thanos took down the hunger who dwarfs shazams power. With prep Shazam went a few rounds with the Spectre who dwarfs the hunger.

Originally posted by iceman24567
With prep Shazam went a few rounds with the Spectre who dwarfs the hunger.

Agreed. Thanos best feat was living long enough against Odin (who wasn't going all out at all) until the fight was stopped.

He won't have that luck against the old wizard.

Shazam ftw.

Thanos has been upgraded since then.

Then he might last a bit longer.

I would say that post upgrade he could probably beat Odin.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I would say that post upgrade he could probably beat Odin.
i tend to agree he do better,but imo he'd stalemate him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
With prep Shazam went a few rounds with the Spectre who dwarfs the hunger.
and shazam lost badly with all his artifacts and in own backyar/stronghold.

Originally posted by Nihilist
i tend to agree he do better,but imo he'd stalemate him.


there is no way in hell thanos will stalemate even the weakest version of the specter, if he cant take down odin you are dreaming lol. And the dov version of the specter that did all that damage was a very weak version of the specter.



Upgrade or not.


your telling me that you think that thanos is stronger then captian marvel powered by the combined magicical power of all in D.C. Casue thats the version of the specter that stalemated captian marvel and beat shazam. thanos is not even a skyfather. ANd no skyfather would have even touched marvel at the time. Shazam did well but no way he was going to beat the specter, and neither will thanos. thanos may do better but he is NOT winning this fight. Nope.


dream on bud..........



do i think thanos can beat shazam.


sure can he beat the specter.



not on his best day with any upgrade.

No he was saying he would stalemate Odin.

Originally posted by zeel
there is no way in hell thanos will stalemate even the weakest version of the specter, if he cant take down odin you are dreaming lol.



Upgrade or not.


your telling me that you think that thanos is stronger then captian marvel powered by the entire universal magic users at the same time. Casue thats the version of the specter that stalemated captian marvel and shazam.


dream on bud..........



do i think thanos can beat shazam.


sure can he beat the specter.



not on his best day with any upgrade.
are you thick??
i was referring about thanos and odin,why dont actually read the prior conversations before spouting crap.

Originally posted by Mindset
Eclipso didn't use have Spectre's job.

That part is false therefore everything you said must be false!

.............Read Spectre's respect thread. Eclipso was the spirit of revenge. The Spectre we know is the spirit of vengeance. Biblically, Eclipso did Noah's flood, Spectre did the 10th plague in Egypt.

Originally posted by Nihilist
are you thick??
i was referring about thanos and odin,why dont actually read the prior conversations before spouting crap.

Well my apologies i thought you were refering to thanos and the specter, never the less i still dont see thanos stalemateing odin.

Originally posted by zeel
Well my apologies i thought you were refering to thanos and the specter, never the less i still dont see thanos stalemateing odin.
apology accepted
as for thanos/odin your entitled to your opinion i just feel thanos would do better than before.

Originally posted by Avlon
Agreed. Thanos best feat was living long enough against Odin (who wasn't going all out at all) until the fight was stopped.

He won't have that luck against the old wizard.

Shazam ftw. Odin didnt beat him. The fight was on his home turf where he is most powerful. Thanos has been upgraded since then. Lots of things have changed since their fight that never concluded.

Meh it would have to be a pretty good upgrade to close the gap all that fight showed was Thanos has really good durability and great will power nothing more his attacks did no damage whatsover to Odin and had the fight continued Thanos would have lost no doubt about that as he already looked toasted from Odin spanking him across asgard.Also what has Thanos done after the upgrade that puts him on Odins level or beyond just saying he got an upgrade doesn't mean jack unless hes somehow showed through feats that he is a lot more powerful than before.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Meh it would have to be a pretty good upgrade to close the gap all that fight showed was Thanos has really good durability and great will power nothing more his attacks did no damage whatsover to Odin and had the fight continued Thanos would have lost no doubt about that as he already looked toasted from Odin spanking him across asgard.Also what has Thanos done after the upgrade that puts him on Odins level or beyond just saying he got an upgrade doesn't mean jack unless hes somehow showed through feats that he is a lot more powerful than before. He defeated the Maker. He knocked Galactus pretty far with a blast. Plus in Asgard Odin is more powerful and if the fought again it would be on neutral ground.

Shazam isn't Odin level but Thanos is not beating a sky father on Shazams level post upgrade or not.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Shazam isn't Odin level but Thanos is not beating a sky father on Shazams level post upgrade or not. Outside Shazamz realm he is toast. What feats outside his realm makes you feel Shazam can win.

Shazam wins this, Thanos loses...its like fighting Odin basically.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Shazam wins this, Thanos loses...its like fighting Odin basically. Odin >>Shazam. This doesnt add up. What feats of Shazams makes you feel this way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin >>Shazam. This doesnt add up. What feats of Shazams makes you feel this way.

LMAO...oh man this is rich. For starters...ODIN BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THANOS so stop saying he didn't beat him. Odin wasn't even trying for crying out loud so stop clinging to a fight were Odin was showing a lot of mercy. Secondly have u checked the respect threads...if u dont think odin and him are equal then plz go check urself into a mental hospital.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO...oh man this is rich. For starters...ODIN BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THANOS so stop saying he didn't beat him. Odin wasn't even trying for crying out loud so stop clinging to a fight were Odin was showing a lot of mercy. Secondly have u checked the respect threads...if u dont think odin and him are equal then plz go check urself into a mental hospital. You insulted me for no reason. I ask you to prove your case and you insult me. Odin fought Thanos in Asgard before his upgrade(s). He never beat him to boot.

Odin >Shazam until you show me anything that says anything different.

Even if I were to humor u and admit Odin>Shazam it would still be Odin>>>Thanos. The mere fact that Shazam is even a peer to Odin speaks vollumes about his power already...and last time I checked Thanos got own by Drax.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
and last time I checked Thanos got own by Drax.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Even if I were to humor u and admit Odin>Shazam it would still be Odin>>>Thanos. The mere fact that Shazam is even a peer to Odin speaks vollumes about his power already...and last time I checked Thanos got own by Drax. Again you never prove anything or back up your claims ever. So continue to say the same old things over and over again while never backing it up. Thats fine.


Thanos>Shazam and he has lots of feats while Shazam doesnt. Case and point. Odin would also wreck Shazam outside of the rock of eternity.