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No weapons. Strictly skill.

Fight takes place in NYC (night time).

Who wins?

BP FTW 7/10

BP is everything That bats is just better.

black panther definently...I honestly dont see how batman could win

T'Challa is like Batman 2.0 in everyway. Tech and resources included. IMO

Originally posted by Entity
T'Challa is like Batman 2.0 in everyway. Tech and resources included. IMO

Does he have better tech than the JLA Watch Tower?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Does he have better tech than the JLA Watch Tower? probably his entire country is more advance than the rest of the globe

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
probably his entire country is more advance than the rest of the globe

Minus Latveria.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Minus Latveria. latveria isnt that advance...other than doom castle

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Does he have better tech than the JLA Watch Tower?

He has a cosmic cube.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He has a cosmic cube.

I'm not permitting that. It is powerful and unfair. Only standard weapons and equipments. I just wanted to know what kind of tech he has.

So, JLA Watchtower gear is standard equipment?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, JLA Watchtower gear is standard equipment?

No. I was comparing.

What was the point of asking how his gear compared to the gear in the JLA Watchtower instead of Batman's standard gear?

We already have this thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html

Originally posted by Entity
T'Challa is like Batman 2.0 in everyway. Tech and resources included. IMO

Hmm don't know much of panther outside his fighting capability which is pretty damn impressive but what kind of tech does he have? I know he has lots a vibranium (prolly spelled that wrong)

Originally posted by Badabing
We already have this thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t303660.html

I did a search and nothing came up. Can I just change it to h2h only without prep?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
I did a search and nothing came up. Can I just change it to h2h only without prep?

Was unsure before about who would win. But now it's all about fighting ability, thanks to Badabing. Now I think I'm going with Bats on this one.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Was unsure before about who would win. But now it's all about fighting ability, thanks to Badabing. Now I think I'm going with Bats on this one.

what a shocker


Batman is more skilled then BP which of courses is what you wanted to hear.

does not mean he win in this h2h fight however.

Original post says "strictly skill."

So, Batman wins.

Even if it were pure hand to hand(taking into account the physicality of each fighter), I'd give it to Bruce.

Originally posted by Soljer
Original post says "strictly skill."

So, Batman wins.

Even if it were pure hand to hand(taking into account the physicality of each fighter), I'd give it to Bruce.

I do as well I actually don't think BP all that great, but thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I do as well I actually don't think BP all that great, but thats just my opinion.

Then why'd you mention that 'it doesn't mean he wins in this hand to hand fight, however'?

Originally posted by Soljer
Then why'd you mention that 'it doesn't mean he wins in this hand to hand fight, however'?
to bust the thread makers balls.(he made he thread so every one would say batman wins lol). It fun to disagree with an individual when they wank a character a lot, they argue that much harder. He gets very angry at times even threaten me lol. So such a wonderful oppertunity to annoy him with such a light comment is always amusing.

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BP is superhuman and a highly skilled MA Batman probably still loses hes just not tough enough.

BP beat and enhanced Red Skull that beat Cap (I think). BP wins.

When Bats can slap an armbar on the Silver Surfer he will be taken seriously in this fight. Untill then he isn't beating BP or Cap for that matter.

I'd take T'Challa, he has the stamina, agility, speed, and strength advantage. Bruce has more martial arts skill, but not by such a large margin that T'Challa's advantages are nullified. I'd give BP 6/10, maybe 7.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd take T'Challa, he has the stamina, agility, speed, and strength advantage. Bruce has more martial arts skill, but not by such a large margin that T'Challa's advantages are nullified. I'd give BP 6/10, maybe 7.

Very reasonable.

I understand BP is peak human and highly intelligent. He is a master of several African MA disciplines and other unknown ones. Batman is also peak human, so unless someone can prove that BP stronger, better stamina, more durable. It is safe to assumes that Batman is at the same level physically. In term of fighting skills, I do believe that Bats is a little more well rounded overall. Intelligence is debatable. I'm still going with Batman for the majority 6/10.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
I understand BP is peak human and highly intelligent. He is a master of several African MA disciplines and other unknown ones. Batman is also peak human, so unless someone can prove that BP stronger, better stamina, more durable. It is safe to assumes that Batman is at the same level physically. In term of fighting skills, I do believe that Bats is a little more well rounded overall. Intelligence is debatable. I'm still going with Batman for the majority 6/10.

Bp is not peak human he is superhuman, his bio states this and I cant see the comics contradicting this. Batman loses, sorry.

im pretty sure BP has very slight advantage in speed, strength and stamina

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bp is not peak human he is superhuman, his bio states this and I cant see the comics contradicting this. Batman loses, sorry.

actaully in comics he stated as a peak-human like capt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bp is not peak human he is superhuman, his bio states this and I cant see the comics contradicting this. Batman loses, sorry.

I think you know well enough, that just because "superhuman" is labeled on someone, doesn't absolutely give them an out right victory over Batman.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully in comics he stated as a peak-human like capt.

Yeah when was this? Im pretty sure hes been upgraded.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
When Bats can slap an armbar on the Silver Surfer he will be taken seriously in this fight. Untill then he isn't beating BP or Cap for that matter.

Lulz. hysterical

Anyway, Batman wins.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Lulz. hysterical

Anyway, Batman wins.

How?

Phantom Zone, I have a question. If you are unsure that BP would beat DD in h2h, why are you so confident that BP will beat Batman? As if Batman is subordinate to DD.

T'Challa has no speed or strength feats that Bruce can't match.

In fact, even the PIS-card doesn't fall in the Panther's favor. Bruce once batkicked Captain Marvel so hard that he reverted to Billy Batson.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Phantom Zone, I have a question. If you are unsure that BP would beat DD in h2h, why are so confident that BP will beat Batman? As if Batman is subordinate to DD.

No I think that BP would actually beat Batman actually because BP has actually beaten Captain America before he would beat Batman in combat. Hell in one encounter an injured BP was able to fight against Cap.

edit my bad he dindt beat Cap I think his father did.

Sorry Batman loses. The problem is marvel martial artists are just too damn tough for DC. DC cant handle Marvel, Marvel ahve H2H skills plus enhancements.

Originally posted by Soljer
T'Challa has no speed or strength feats that Bruce can't match.


Ermm Bp was injured and Cap had trouble tagging him? I would not think that Batman has the same reflexes as Cap or even Wolverine and BP has given both of them trouble in speed.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Phantom Zone, I have a question. If you are unsure that BP would beat DD in h2h, why are you so confident that BP will beat Batman? As if Batman is subordinate to DD.

It's best to put him on ignore, like many have (including me) and probably many will.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No I think that BP would actually beat Batman actually because BP has actually beaten Captain America before he would beat Batman in combat. Hell in one encounter an injured BP was able to fight against Cap.

If you are trying to use ABC logic, it won't work here. Cap has never beaten Batman in h2h and when Batman said that Cap can conceivably beat him (in JLA/Avengers crossover), he mean it's possible not definite. Hell, it possible that Nightwing, Shiva, and Batgirl (Casandra Cain) could beat Batman too. Black Panther beating Cap, doesn't mean he will out right beat Batman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermm Bp was injured and Cap had trouble tagging him? I would not think that Batman has the same reflexes as Cap or even Wolverine and BP has given both of them trouble in speed.

I think you should quit while you still have a chance. You don't want to start comparing feats.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
If you are trying to use ABC logic, it won't work here. Cap has never beaten Batman in h2h and when Batman said that Cap can conceivably beat him (in JLA/Avengers crossover), he mean it's possible not definite. Hell, it possible that Nightwing, Shiva, and Batgirl (Casandra Cain) could beat Batman too. Black Panther beating Cap, doesn't mean he will out right beat Batman.



I think you should quit while you still have a chance. You don't want to start comparing feats.

I think that comparing feats is the only way this debate will get settled............

Arm bar on Silver Sufer>Batkick on Captian Marvel

BPs Wallet > BM Wallet

Boning Storm > Boning men

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah when was this? Im pretty sure hes been upgraded.
how was he upgraded? Inorder to become peak-human he ahd to take a special herb. he has not to my knowledge taken anything elses which would improve him into superhuman levels.


It been part of BP sinces like the beggining of his character.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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edit my bad he dindt beat Cap I think his father did.


When? The issue I have his father loses if not mistaken.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman said that Cap can conceivably beat him (in JLA/Avengers crossover), he mean it's possible not definite.

Actually, he was admitting that Cap was more skilled, at least according to Kurt; IOW, the writer.

So, they get to keep their suits for this fight?

Batman is more skilled and he wins here. With EQ then BP wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, they get to keep their suits for this fight?

Yeah

Doesn't BP wear a vibranium suit, how is Batman supposed to be able to hurt him?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Doesn't BP wear a vibranium suit, how is Batman supposed to be able to hurt him? The post says, "strictly skill." I guess they fight bare assed.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Thanks to Batdude putting these scans together, here are some Batman feats

Reverts Captain Marvel to Billy Batson here with a kick:

http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sb0418hv2.jpg

I have this comic, unfortunately, Batman did not revert Captain Marvel into Billy Batson here--Captain Marvel did it to himself. Batman was even confused as to why Capt. Marvel did it, it was a ploy by Capt. Marvel to lure Batman in.

This is a good thread, I personally think that Black Panther will win based on his speed and vibranium suit matched with his skills.

Ditto & I hope that scan doesn't make anyone think Bats can hang w/WW unless she lets him. When she doesn't, Bats ends up w/high heels in his face. I hate WW, but she'd kill BP & Bats at the same time

Yeah, BP is a MARVEL "peak human"

Cap is a "peak human" who can run 60 mph

BP might MIGHT be inferior in skill but he's superior in physicality, plus if they get their suits Vibranium is badass

That being said, from someone who actually spars h2h, I'd say BP advantages are not completely insurmountable. This would still go 55/100 his way.

BP puts Batman in an unbreakable armlock

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
BP is superhuman

BP beat and enhanced Red Skull that beat Cap (I think). BP wins.


Other way around as Red Skull had the edge on BP. But anyhow BP isn't true superhuman but almost superhuman which is still a bit better then Batman. Batman is more skilled though.

Originally posted by Soljer
T'Challa has no speed or strength feats that Bruce can't match.

In fact, even the PIS-card doesn't fall in the Panther's favor. Bruce once batkicked Captain Marvel so hard that he reverted to Billy Batson.


Batkick is a striking feat. T'Challa has actuall strength feats like KO'ing a Polar Bear with a hold. To physically stopping a charge of a elephant and bringing down a rhino with pure strength.

To throwing huge rocks that look about 1 or 2 tons throwing it. BP is stronger. BP is about as strong as Captain America. Who is also stronger then Bruce.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Batkick is a striking feat. T'Challa has actuall strength feats like KO'ing a Polar Bear with a hold. To physically stopping a charge of a elephant and bringing down a rhino with pure strength.

To throwing huge rocks that look about 1 or 2 tons throwing it. BP is stronger. BP is about as strong as Captain America. Who is also stronger then Bruce.

Bane could potentially do those same things, what is your point?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Bane could potentially do those same things, what is your point?

Bane is not as skill as BP.

BP has a better combo of skill and physical superiority to Brucy boy.

I think BP wins the slight majority.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Bane is not as skill as BP.

BP has a better combo of skill and physical superiority to Brucy boy.

You are greatly underestimating Bane.

Bane is not a better fighter of even as good of one as BP, if you have proof that he is I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bane is not a better fighter of even as good of one as BP, if you have proof that he is I'd like to see it.

Bane's strength surpasses Spider-Man's, and he is a very skilled h2h fighter.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Bane could potentially do those same things, what is your point?
I think his point was that Black Panther has better strait up strength feats than Batman...

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Bane's strength surpasses Spider-Man's, and he is a very skilled h2h fighter.

By proof I meant scans, and I already know Bane is stronger than BP, what does that have to do with being a skilled fighter?

And do you have scans of Bane showing more strength than Spiderman? Not that it really matters.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think his point was that Black Panther has better strait up strength feats than Batman...

That's not enough. My point is that Bats can handle that.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
That's not enough. My point is that Bats can handle that.
I didn't say he couldn't, I was just answering your question. Daredevil's post didn't say that Black Panther was too strong for Bruce to handle, he was responding to a post that said Bruce's strength feats match T'challa's.

Hmm...

I gotta call Shenanigans on that "Kicks Captain Marvel back into Billy" feat for Batman. A majority of the force was created by Superman tossing CM, Batman just redirected it with his kick. It's the equivalent of redirecting the force of a 104 mph Randy Johnson fastball with a bat (pun intended) to knock it out of the park. A lot of the energy was caused by the pitcher more so than the hitter's swing. Batman just got "good wood" on it.

If their suits are included is more so in batman's favor. It is just better all round. With out the suit it is still going to be a tough fight for batman but he still takes it 6/10. Or more of a draw same with cap.

Actually BP"s suit would give him more of an advantage that Batman's, it is vibranium after all.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm...

I gotta call Shenanigans on that "Kicks Captain Marvel back into Billy" feat for Batman. A majority of the force was created by Superman tossing CM, Batman just redirected it with his kick. It's the equivalent of redirecting the force of a 104 mph Randy Johnson fastball with a bat (pun intended) to knock it out of the park. A lot of the energy was caused by the pitcher more so than the hitter's swing. Batman just got "good wood" on it. the fact that batman's leg didn't shatter into a thousand pieces is a feat unto itself

http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzp4.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfde3.jpg

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzp4.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfde3.jpg the good doctor must be made of adamantium

*cough*bullshit*cough*

Sure and all batman's suit has done for him is allow him to absorb superhuman punishment you tell me which one is better. In that respect batman has the better suit. And why batman is going to win.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Sure and all batman's suit has done for him is allow him to absorb superhuman punishment you tell me which one is better. In that respect batman has the better suit. And why batman is going to win. Haven't seen you in awhile.

ya dude I have been around just been really really busy

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Sure and all batman's suit has done for him is allow him to absorb superhuman punishment you tell me which one is better. In that respect batman has the better suit. And why batman is going to win.

You do know what vibranium is, right?

I know what vibranium is its feat do not compare to share pounding that batman's suit has gone through.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I know what vibranium is its feat do not compare to share pounding that batman's suit has gone through. It said no weapons allowed.

That means all Bruce has is body to work with. Assuming the suits are allowed I hardly see how Bruce is going to phase T'Challa much. Much less serious hurt him enough to defeat him. Bruce can throw every martial art move combo under the sun at T'Challa, with nothing but his body and physical strength to use it'll never make it past the vibranium to T'Challa.

Originally posted by Entity
It said no weapons allowed.

That means all Bruce has is body to work with. Assuming the suits are allowed I hardly see how Bruce is going to phase T'Challa much. Much less serious hurt him enough to defeat him. Bruce can throw every martial art move combo under the sun at T'Challa, with nothing but his body and physical strength to use it'll never make it past the vibranium to T'Challa.

They are allowed.

It's accepted by pretty much everyone (else) that BP is Super-Batman.

BP owns Batman.

disagree completely

If Batman WANTS to win he WILL stomp BP in H2H

Its something that Ra's observes during JLA Babel and later in Hush that when The Batman is in the Mood physical engagement with him is futile.

In Babel Ra's stops the Bat cold by reaching for the controls to lower The Waynes coffins into The Lazarus Pit.
In the same story Ra's stops Supes dead in his tracks with Red Kryptonite

Originally posted by shiv
disagree completely

If Batman WANTS to win he WILL stomp BP in H2H

Its something that Ra's observes during JLA Babel and later in Hush that when The Batman is in the Mood physical engagement with him is futile.

In Babel Ra's stops the Bat cold by reaching for the controls to lower The Waynes coffins into The Lazarus Pit.
In the same story Ra's stops Supes dead in his tracks with Red Kryptonite

Agreed.

Originally posted by shiv
disagree completely

If Batman WANTS to win he WILL stomp BP in H2H

Its something that Ra's observes during JLA Babel and later in Hush that when The Batman is in the Mood physical engagement with him is futile.

In Babel Ra's stops the Bat cold by reaching for the controls to lower The Waynes coffins into The Lazarus Pit.
In the same story Ra's stops Supes dead in his tracks with Red Kryptonite

So in this fight, Batman wants to win but BP doesn't.

If that is the way you want to look at it go ahead. IF black panther has a similar feat or something close post it or mention it. Cuz no one is assumeing that one character is more blood lust than the other.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
If that is the way you want to look at it go ahead. IF black panther has a similar feat or something close post it or mention it. Cuz no one is assumeing that one character is more blood lust than the other.
A similar feat to what?

I've read through this ENTIRE thread. duryes

I still haven't seen one post on how T'Challa doesn't die by way of the BATKICK! durno

Originally posted by Badabing
I've read through this ENTIRE thread. duryes

I still haven't seen one post on how T'Challa doesn't die by way of the BATKICK! durno

















Because the force of the kick would be absorbed by his armor?

Surfer...armbar...

I mean, if you want to bullshit, there you go.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Because the force of the kick would be absorbed by his armor?

Batkick disnigrates vibranium. Haven't you heard?

Originally posted by Badabing


Batkick disnigrates vibranium. Haven't you heard?





















Black athlete beats white athlete, there I said it

vibranium only reduces damage by half. It doesn't absorb all of the damage.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
vibranium only reduces damage by half. It doesn't absorb all of the damage.
Where are you getting your info from?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where are you getting your info from?

Yeah you're right I was reading it wrong. And to answer your question, I get info from the Marvel & DC Encyclopedias instead of Wikipedia (if not, I use my comic books). I don't have many comics with BP in it, that's why I used the encyclopedia. It says that the suit makes bullets and punches lose power. But That doesn't mean that he can't feel any pain.

Originally posted by jadervason
Black athlete beats white athlete, there I said it I'm not sure if you're joking because you're new and there's no smilie. We try to keep inflamatory subject's, such as race, out of the Versus Forum threads. Thanks.

You could look at a BP respect thread.

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm not sure if you're joking because you're new and there's no smilie. We try to keep inflamatory subject's, such as race, out of the Versus Forum threads. Thanks.

Fine.

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm not sure if you're joking because you're new and there's no smilie. We try to keep inflamatory subject's, such as race, out of the Versus Forum threads. Thanks.

It's not discussion of alone that is inflammatory. Certainly, intelligent and open rational discussion is good. It is relying upon stereotypes that is what shouldn't be welcomed.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Bane's strength surpasses Spider-Man's It does?

Originally posted by brainchild81
It does?

Nah, Bane's held up a ferris wheel and that was a high end feat, he's usually around 5 to 10 tons AT BEST not > Spiderman though.

That's what I thought. & Spidey's got better high end feats

Originally posted by Silent Master
Doesn't BP wear a vibranium suit, how is Batman supposed to be able to hurt him?
Doesn't BP still get hurt fighting guys like Cap, DD, and Zemo?

Originally posted by brainchild81
That's what I thought. & Spidey's got better high end feats yes

Originally posted by jadervason
So in this fight, Batman wants to win but BP doesn't.

Batman has a turbo drive which is available when he absolutely wants something. This is differrent from Bloodlust.


In Detective 834 Batman snaps the Titanium arm and leg restraints on the Titanium Electrocuting chair containing him by focusing his mind.

When Batman WANTS something seriously like Ra's Al Ghul says, you cannot compete with him. Darkseid acknowledges this and invariably incorporates many a diversion in his plans to blindside Batman.

Bloodlust is another matter. Batman on Bloodlust is very sloppy IMO.

Originally posted by shiv
Batman has a turbo drive which is available when he absolutely wants something. This is differrent from Bloodlust.


In Detective 834 Batman snaps the Titanium arm and leg restraints on the Titanium Electrocuting chair containing him by focusing his mind.

When Batman WANTS something seriously like Ra's Al Ghul says, you cannot compete with him. Darkseid acknowledges this and invariably incorporates many a diversion in his plans to blindside Batman.

Bloodlust is another matter. Batman on Bloodlust is very sloppy IMO.

Agreed. And that is most of the time. Batman's will is something that I think is maybe a little stronger than BP. Bats had his back broken and was left a cripple. Not too many humans would come back from that.

John Cardiel did~!

What is more powerful? The cosmic armbar or the bat-kick?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What is more powerful? The cosmic armbar or the bat-kick? Batkick ftw!
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02-23.jpg

BP.

This guy was beating up GROWN men (the best warriors in Wakanda) as a right of passage BEFORE he was alowed to take the herb.

He battled and beat a possessed Iron Fist.

Hand to hand.

Batman mastered MA from the beast fighters in DC, and surpassed them.
He built himself from the ground up to be the peak of human perfection.
Through out his career, he has taken on impossible odds and overcome them. And he is consider the most dangerous man on earth. Batman has a deep well of fighting techniques and experience. And when Batman wants to accomplish something, he becomes nearly unstoppable.

Lol, great proof.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman mastered MA from the beast fighters in DC, and surpassed them.
He built himself from the ground up to be the peak of human perfection.
Through out his career, he has taken on impossible odds and overcome them. And he is consider the most dangerous man on earth. Batman has a deep well of fighting techniques and experience. And when Batman wants to Accomplish something, he becomes nearly unstoppable. you sound like Batman's public relations manager

Originally posted by Mindset
Lol, great proof.

Proof is only needed if you don't read Batman comics. Why would I need to show proof of what I just said. This is a comic book forum. I would expect that people know and understand who Batman is.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you sound like Batman's public relations manager

I call it like I see it.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Proof is only needed if you don't read Batman comics. Why would I need to show proof of what I just said. This is a comic book forum. I would expect that people know and understand who Batman is.

.....

You are embarrassing yourself.

I've probably read more Batman comics than you.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Proof is only needed if you don't read Batman comics. Why would I need to show proof of what I just said. This is a comic book forum. I would expect that people know and understand who Batman is. You obviously don't understand forums.

Originally posted by Mindset
.....

You are embarrassing yourself.

I've probably read more Batman comics than you.

That's your claim.

Lmao, are you serious or are you just playing the fool?

Originally posted by Troop
You obviously don't understand forums.

Oh I do. But what's the point to posting scans if all people will do is ignore the facts. And I already posted scans of Batman feats. But People still doubt.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lmao, are you serious or are you just playing the fool?

Yes I am. You made a statement without knowing how many Batman comics I've read. Are you serious?

I asked for proof, you told me proof is only needed for someone who has not read Batman comics, implying that I haven't read any Batman comics. I said that I've probably read more than you. The idiotic dribble that you post is hilarious.

Originally posted by Mindset
I asked for proof, you told me proof is only needed for someone who has not read Batman comics, implying that I haven't read any Batman comics. I said that I've probably read more than you. The idiotic dribble that you post is hilarious.

Ignorance. I was assuming that you have read Batman's comics books and there was no need to show proof of what you should already know. Read carefully next time.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Ignorance. I was assuming that you have read Batman's comics books and there was no need to show proof of what you should already know. Read carefully next time.

So I am supposed to interpret the meaning of your posts aside from the most obvious and apparent meaning?

Maybe you should more clearly express your meanings.

If you asked for proof of one of my claims and I said proof is only needed if you are ignorant of the facts, what would you assume I was saying?

Originally posted by Mindset
So I am supposed to interpret the meaning of your posts aside from the most obvious and apparent meaning?

Maybe you should more clearly express your meanings.

If you asked for proof of one of my claims and I said proof is only needed if you are ignorant of the facts, what would you assume I was saying?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Proof is only needed if you don't read Batman comics.

What else is that suppose to mean. You read batman comics so..... I don't need to show you proof of a character you should already know and understand.

But I asked for proof since it is needed to prove your point, whether I have read hundreds of Batman comics is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mindset
But I asked for proof since it is needed to prove your point, whether I have read hundreds of Batman comics is irrelevant.

No it's not, if you already know full well what he is capable of. Why even questioned it?

Because the debate isn't limited to just me and you, and your post consisted of a general overview of Batman as a character and in no way shows that he will beat Black Panther.

If you don't want to show actual proof of why one character beats another then stop posting.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because the debate isn't limited to just me and you, and your post consisted of a general overview of Batman as a character and in no way shows that he will beat Black Panther.

If you don't want to show actual proof of why one character beats another then stop posting.

I've already posted feats, go to page 3.

The thread says BP vs BM h2h: why are people talking about suits?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
The thread says BP vs BM h2h: why are people talking about suits?

Because their suits offer protection. Especially BP's. But I agree that their h2h skills should be the main factor. Because they both have been hurt during battle regardless.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Because their suits offer protection. Especially BP's. But I agree that their h2h skills should be the main factor. Because they both have been hurt during battle regardless.

I believe they spilt even, maybe 5.5 to BP.

does BP have his claws?

yes

Originally posted by Priest
yes

Huh? His anti-metal claws? They are apart of his suit, and I thought no suits were allowed.

I did not read the opening post.
His suit does have the claws standard..

Normally he does, yes, but I believe Hudlin has ignored this fact. If I recall correctly, he mentioned over at the HudlinEntertainment forums that he didn't consider the anti-metal claws 'standard.'

Originally posted by Soljer
Normally he does, yes, but I believe Hudlin has ignored this fact. If I recall correctly, he mentioned over at the HudlinEntertainment forums that he didn't consider the anti-metal claws 'standard.'

Hmm, I don't remember reading that, if you could post a link to the thread I will check it out.

What I do know for a fact is various people (including myself) have asked hudlin what his standard equip, powers, intelligence, etc was. And all he pretty much gives us is that he was simply "building" upon what was already there.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Hmm, I don't remember reading that, if you could post a link to the thread I will check it out.

What I do know for a fact is various people (including myself) have asked hudlin what his standard equip, powers, intelligence, etc was. And all he pretty much gives us is that he was simply "building" upon what was already there.

I'll look for it. It was a really long time ago, though. Back when the storm-fans first started acting like morons en masse.

lol, first started?.. I don't think I've run accross an intelligent storm fan to date since being here.

And guys...
Do his claws matter? I would think that they qualify as weapons regardless of standard equiptment or not so they automatically get disqualified on the stips of the fight.

Batman is just as strong as BP. Here is Batman supporting the weight of rubble from a collapsed building.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton14lm.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton25yx.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton32ll.jpg

And Batman's agility is also on par with BP.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img9&image=batagile90uw.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img9&image=batagile63lb.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics577199ik.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfon3.jpg

Here Batman is surrounded by armed guards, he's able to blitz and disarm them before they can react:

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfmb0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfhl8.jpg

And I don't think BP is faster than Superman......

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdffl2.jpg

Batman also dodges a sneak heat vision attack before being taken out by Superman and survived. So it is logical that Batman can take anything that BP can offer.

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

He can also takes a punch from The General and is shortly right back up afterwards on the attack. The General>>>>>>>>>BP in strength.

http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfaa3.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfmt4.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfte3.jpg

Batman bends the barrel of a gun with his hands

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdftx3.jpg

Here, he hurls Dr. Death through a reinforced door designed to withstand the impact of missiles

http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzp4.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfde3.jpg

Rips out a metal duct easily and demonstrates great agility in the process:

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfvb9.jpg

And as for fighting technique.......

Batman beats Solomon Grundy into unconsciousness

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page394yl.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page409be.jpg

Batman defeats Cassandra Cain with a deadly nerve strike.

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjv7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfyq0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcb2.jpg

Easily defeats Green Arrow with a nerve pinch disabling his arm then re-enabling it to move again with a touch:

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfiv2.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcv2.jpg

Batman defeating Cain, his former martial arts mentor and one of the best assassins in the world

http://img65.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img65&image=mar1.jpg
http://img52.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img52&image=mar2.jpg

Batman defeats Wildcat with masks on to blind their sight.

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/2474/batgrant3.jpg
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/9785/batgrant4.jpg
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/6407/batgrant5.jpg

Batman stalemates Richard Dragon

http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-07.jpg

Uses Dim Mak techniques to get a psycho to talk

http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc288&image=67204_batdimak.jpg

Batman easily humiliates King Snake a blind martial artist known as being one of the best in the world

http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc220&image=e85_batsnake1.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc27&image=d8d_batsnake3.jpg
http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc156&image=046_batsnake4.jpg
http://img120.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc232&image=e6d_batsnake5.jpg

Here we see a young Batman defeat Haim in a hand to hand contest by blocking the hungry cobra death strike a move that only 7 people in the world know how defend against

http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc268&image=216_bathaim6.jpg
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc44&image=795_bathaim7.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc11&image=31c_bathaim8.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc276&image=115_bathaim9.jpg

Knocks out a thug with mere touches of his finger:

http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfea0.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfug1.jpg

Takes down a bouncer with a 2 finger touch:

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfdv5.jpg

Despite being ambushed, he battles Karate Kid (Post-Crisis) to an inconclusive stalemate while dishing out combat tips in the middle of battle, showing he is the more experienced fighter of the two

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjk7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfxf8.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfom5.jpg

Karate Kid is a far better MA than BP and Batman has proved that he can go toe 2 toe with him. And all of the physical advantages everybody think BP has over Batman, is really not a factor. Batman is more than capable of defeating BP in h2h. If anyone feels different, please post scan showing why you feel that BP would take the majority. And if not, Batman wins.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman is just as strong as BP. Here is Batman supporting the weight of rubble from a collapsed building.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton14lm.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton25yx.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img114&image=baton32ll.jpg

And Batman's agility is also on par with BP.

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img9&image=batagile90uw.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img9&image=batagile63lb.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics577199ik.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfon3.jpg

Here Batman is surrounded by armed guards, he's able to blitz and disarm them before they can react:

http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfmb0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfhl8.jpg

And I don't think BP is faster than Superman......

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdffl2.jpg

Batman also dodges a sneak heat vision attack before being taken out by Superman and survived. So it is logical that Batman can take anything that BP can offer.

http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ph0.jpg

He can also takes a punch from The General and is shortly right back up afterwards on the attack. The General>>>>>>>>>BP in strength.

http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfaa3.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfmt4.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfte3.jpg

Batman bends the barrel of a gun with his hands

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdftx3.jpg

Here, he hurls Dr. Death through a reinforced door designed to withstand the impact of missiles

http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzp4.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfde3.jpg

Rips out a metal duct easily and demonstrates great agility in the process:

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfvb9.jpg

And as for fighting technique.......

Batman beats Solomon Grundy into unconsciousness

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page394yl.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page409be.jpg

Batman defeats Cassandra Cain with a deadly nerve strike.

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjv7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfyq0.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcb2.jpg

Easily defeats Green Arrow with a nerve pinch disabling his arm then re-enabling it to move again with a touch:

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfiv2.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcv2.jpg

Batman defeating Cain, his former martial arts mentor and one of the best assassins in the world

http://img65.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img65&image=mar1.jpg
http://img52.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img52&image=mar2.jpg

Batman defeats Wildcat with masks on to blind their sight.

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/2474/batgrant3.jpg
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/9785/batgrant4.jpg
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/6407/batgrant5.jpg

Batman stalemates Richard Dragon

http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102&image=bravebold132-07.jpg

Uses Dim Mak techniques to get a psycho to talk

http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc288&image=67204_batdimak.jpg

Batman easily humiliates King Snake a blind martial artist known as being one of the best in the world

http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc220&image=e85_batsnake1.jpg
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc27&image=d8d_batsnake3.jpg
http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc156&image=046_batsnake4.jpg
http://img120.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc232&image=e6d_batsnake5.jpg

Here we see a young Batman defeat Haim in a hand to hand contest by blocking the hungry cobra death strike a move that only 7 people in the world know how defend against

http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc268&image=216_bathaim6.jpg
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc44&image=795_bathaim7.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc11&image=31c_bathaim8.jpg
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc276&image=115_bathaim9.jpg

Knocks out a thug with mere touches of his finger:

http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfea0.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfug1.jpg

Takes down a bouncer with a 2 finger touch:

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfdv5.jpg

Despite being ambushed, he battles Karate Kid (Post-Crisis) to an inconclusive stalemate while dishing out combat tips in the middle of battle, showing he is the more experienced fighter of the two

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjk7.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfxf8.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfom5.jpg

Karate Kid is a far better MA than BP and Batman has proved that he can go toe 2 toe with him. And all of the physical advantages everybody think BP has over Batman, is really not a factor. Batman is more than capable of defeating BP in h2h. If anyone feels different, please post scan showing why you feel that BP would take the majority. And if not, Batman wins.

In general Batman feats are mediocre in comparison with Marvel street levelers. Yeah those feats are good but I got loads of Batman comics, hell in one of them he has to wear an armoured cowl to take a huge number of Chinese gangsters and needed help from another street leveler. The issue is Shadow of the Bat issue 90.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
In general Batman feats are mediocre in comparison with Marvel street levelers. Yeah those feats are good but I got loads of Batman comics, hell in one of them he has to wear an armoured cowl to take a huge number of Chinese gangsters and needed help from another street leveler. The issue is Shadow of the Bat issue 90.

I'd bet those Chinese gangsters are nowhere near Karate Kid, Richard Dragon, Cain, or even King Snake in terms of MA skills. And taking a punch from The General, holding the weight of rubble from a collapsed building, and surviving an physical attack from Superman is far from mediocre. There are factors that you are clearly overlooking in these scans. That would play a big role in this fight.

this is levell 1 Right?
http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc288&image=67204_batdimak.jpg

s0 uhm lets say Batman touches, sorry Batkicks BP just once with levell 100 Dim Mak