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who wins

Is this classic Beyonder?

beyonder

either beyonder wins. classic is around lt lvl. the current is at least multiversal.

How is Beyonder multiversal? He cannot touch Galactus.

Beyonder is amused by imperiux but kills him for not amusing him enough. lol

Classic Beyonder was leagues above LT, Current Beyonder is a notch below LT but still more powerful than Imperiux.

Current Beyonder from what we know tricked the Illuminatri (created a fictional reality of earth on astroid)

Classic wins ofcause.

Current Beyonder is a only a notch below the Lt?

Originally posted by the Darkone
Classic Beyonder was leagues above LT, Current Beyonder is a notch below LT but still more powerful than Imperiux.

ha ha ha ha. classic beyonder imagined the whole thing. and he didn't even have sense enough to actually fight the lt. so how do we know he's above the lt. what did he do that the lt cannot? nothing. case closed. i thought this forum argued things that actually happened in the comics. not what is fan based speculation and what we wish things to be.

classic wins, current Imperiex wins

Classic Beyonder and current Beyonder wins this hands down.

Classic Beyonder wins, current looses. Imperiex was an "Omni-temporal" threat.

Originally posted by fangirl101
ha ha ha ha. classic beyonder imagined the whole thing. and he didn't even have sense enough to actually fight the lt. so how do we know he's above the lt. what did he do that the lt cannot? nothing. case closed. i thought this forum argued things that actually happened in the comics. not what is fan based speculation and what we wish things to be. Classic Beyonder is the Beyonder before the retcon which weakened him. In other words, before it was written that he dreamed it dreamed it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Classic Beyonder is the Beyonder before the retcon which weakened him. In other words, before it was written that he dreamed it dreamed it. Exactly. If we say Classic Beyonder it means before the retcon but if we say current Beyonder we acknowledge the retcon.

Current Beyonder should win, but like Galan noted. I'll read more on Imperiex

Where is it stated that Beyonder dreamed up Secret Wars?

That's a lie folks.

The retcon depowered Beyonder,
but MOST of what Beyonder did during Secret Wars is Canon, 100%.

From erasing Death from the Universe,
to giving Rachel the Full power of the Phoenix Force,
to creating an entire Universe, separate but weaker than Eternity.

Beyonder is the embodiment of this Universe.

Beyonder operates on a Multiversal scale.

In fact, Beyonder has even cause damaged on a Multi-Universal scale.


This is all POST Retcon Beyonder.

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The only event that was nullified in the retcon,
was Beyonder defeating the Celestials,
and Beyonder scaring the cosmic hierarchy.

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REALLY!?

So Beyonder is still Multiversal, at a level beyond the universal Aspects? Where would you place him then?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

REALLY!?

So Beyonder is still Multiversal, at a level beyond the universal Aspects?
Current Beyonder can not destroy the Multiverse. (Eternity is more powerful)

But it seems Beyonder is more powerful than aspects of Eternity (single realities)

I'm not absolutely sure though cause he hasn't defeated one on panel yet,
but Beyonder definitely is capable of "Multiversal tamperings" (As Eternity put it)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1297/86681292wq5.th.jpg

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

Where would you place him then?
The embodiment of an entire Universe,
that can operate on a Multiversal scale,
and affect reality on a Multi-Universal scale. (not an entire Multiverse simultaneously)

So he is stronger than the singular Universal concepts, but not their Multi counterparts?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

So he is stronger than the singular Universal concepts,
but not their Multi counterparts?
That would be my estimation.

Although,
when Molecule Man and Beyonder fought,
reality withIN realities across "All Creation" (Omniverse) were warped.

They phrased it literally,

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal" ... and "All Creation"


"Trans-" as we know in this context means beyond.

So when fighting together, they are Omniversal?

Reality Warpers are confusing...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

So when fighting together, they are Omniversal?

Classic Owen Reece was more powerful than the Living Tribunal.

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Current Owen Reece
is one of the Most powerful beings in the Marvel Omniverse, (all Creation)
according to the Living Tribunal himself.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7901/b3bi8.th.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4217/mmlm0.th.jpg

The insane part is,
this is the limited version of current Owen Reece,
he has a wild side,
who calls himself the Molecule Man.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/60/evilmmak8.th.jpg
http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/3382/evilmm2mu1.th.jpg

This beast, performed (mostly) a Trans-Multiversal feat On Panel,
while battling the current Beyonder.

That's literally BEYOND Multiversal ...
as we know Trans- means (BEYOND) ... the Living Tribunal wasn't hyperboling.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8974/b2rn4.th.jpg

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal,
Reality trembles as the forces unleashed,
reverberate through out Creation" (Omniverse)

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Holy!

Current Beyonder (Cube Being) is also an uber-powerhouse
(somewhere beyond Universal)
current Beyonder 's death can actually cause,
"Havoc across Multiversal cosmography

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
... havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"



And the Beyonder also embodies an entire Universe of his own,

where he is omnipotent:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/246/bbgw7.th.jpg

(that's Eternity and the LT speaking btw in this last scan)

I still can't forgive Marvel for making Molecule Man stronger than Beyonder.

Well we don't know if current Beyonder is beyond Eternity. As shown in GotG he is definitely weaker, but he may have changed since then. Marvel can't seem to make up their mind about him.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Well we don't know if current Beyonder is beyond Eternity.
As shown in GotG he is definitely weaker
The Eternity in GOTG may well have been Eternity, and not some aspect,
because they were dealing with Multiversal threats,
and even beyond that, like Protege.

Besides,
Eternity himself clearly stated that Beyonder operated on a Multiversal scale:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1297/86681292wq5.th.jpg

So as I myself stated earlier:

Eternity (multiverse) > Beyonder

Aspect of Eternity (single universe) < Beyonder



And if Beyonder dies,
the Multiverse also suffers,
solidifying his Multiversal status,
although Beyonder seems to affect realities in a Multi-Universal fashion.

Originally posted by Galan007
Classic Beyonder wins, current looses. Imperiex was an "Omni-temporal" threat.

Omni-temporal? Whats that supposed to mean? Is he fought against in every comic or something?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Classic Owen Reece was more powerful than the Living Tribunal.

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Current Owen Reece
is one of the Most powerful beings in the Marvel Omniverse, (all Creation)
according to the Living Tribunal himself.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7901/b3bi8.th.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4217/mmlm0.th.jpg

The insane part is,
this is the limited version of current Owen Reece,
he has a wild side,
who calls himself the Molecule Man.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/60/evilmmak8.th.jpg
http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/3382/evilmm2mu1.th.jpg



Interesting. What are the first few scans from?

Isn't the Maker (female, blue skin) current Beyonder?

Originally posted by basilisk

Interesting. What are the first few scans from?
FF Annual #27
Originally posted by Tenebrous

Isn't the Maker (female, blue skin) current Beyonder?
Nah.

The Maker was a temporary form the Beyonder took which made him vulnerable.

The Maker was insane and weak due to it's mortal form,
and yet still had the power to reverse the crunch and crush the 616 Universe,
a power that was never realized because of the vulnerability it plagued itself with.

While the Maker was limited, the essence withIN (Beyonder) was/is omnipotent.

The latest incarnation of the Beyonder was during Illuminati.

Beyonder is back in his old skin.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Current Beyonder can not destroy the Multiverse. (Eternity is more powerful)

But it seems Beyonder is more powerful than aspects of Eternity (single realities)

I'm not absolutely sure though cause he hasn't defeated one on panel yet,
but Beyonder definitely is capable of "Multiversal tamperings" (As Eternity put it)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1297/86681292wq5.th.jpg


The embodiment of an entire Universe,
that can operate on a Multiversal scale,
and affect reality on a Multi-Universal scale. (not an entire Multiverse simultaneously)

So is he still less powerful than a Celestial?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

So is he still less powerful than a Celestial?
That's a good question.

I'm not completely sure. (although nothing's been solidified otherwise)

We know the Beyonder's essence is an Omnipotent force,
that embodies an entire Universe,
operates on a Multiversal scale,
in a Multi-Universal fashion.


During Annihilation, Thanos said Beyonder's essence was unlimited power.

Gladiator called the Maker a God.

According to Thanos, had the Maker not made itself vulnerable and weak,
it could forcibly contract the "Crunch"
thus imploding the 616 Reality.


I simply can't or rather haven't seen a Celestial doing that,
then again, perhaps they can but don't because of cosmic protocol.
(uhh, not counting Scathan of course)

Beyonder wins this.

Question.

Since all the universes of the Marvel multiverse exist on the same physical space, separated only by vibrational frequency. If one unleashed the power to destroy a single universe, but said attack threw out multiple vibrational frequencies, wouldn't that attack destroy multiple universes?

Hope that made sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
Question.

Since all the universes of the Marvel multiverse exist on the same physical space, separated only by vibrational frequency. If one unleashed the power to destroy a single universe, but said attack threw out multiple vibrational frequencies, wouldn't that attack destroy multiple universes?

Hope that made sense.
I have no idea brother G.

Personally, I've never heard of such a method.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no idea brother G.

Personally, I've never heard of such a method. Me either. It was just an 'in general' question, really.

It seems to make sense, when you think about it. I mean, all that seperates the Marvel multiverse is differing vibrational patterns. So a universe-busting attack emitting an array of vibrational signals should, in theory, destroy numerous universes .

people should move on ...no classic beyonder...rightly or wrongly ..it never happened.......otherwise just keep chasing tale......

wow

Originally posted by lannfear
people should move on ...no classic beyonder...rightly or wrongly ..it never happened.......otherwise just keep chasing tale......

Originally posted by Mr Master
Current Beyonder can not destroy the Multiverse. (Eternity is more powerful)

But it seems Beyonder is more powerful than aspects of Eternity (single realities)

I'm not absolutely sure though cause he hasn't defeated one on panel yet,
but Beyonder definitely is capable of "Multiversal tamperings" (As Eternity put it)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1297/86681292wq5.th.jpg


The embodiment of an entire Universe,
that can operate on a Multiversal scale,
and affect reality on a Multi-Universal scale. (not an entire Multiverse simultaneously)

Eternity is universal not multiversal. I don't care what you have read but this is the way it is. Each universe has an Eternity and each Eternity is responsible for its own (a single) universe.

There are Multiversal aspects of the same name of the universal ones.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
There are Multiversal aspects of the same name of the universal ones.

No there isn't.
Eternity is Eternity (the universal one, the one that got punked by the IG).

Yes there is.

Originally posted by h1a8
No there isn't.
Eternity is Eternity (the universal one, the one that got punked by the IG). Rofl

Just ignore this scan then

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg

Originally posted by TrollDog
Rofl

Just ignore this scan then

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg

then who is the multi-eternity?

Originally posted by fangirl101
then who is the multi-eternity? A question I have no answer to.
Mr master will tell you when he logs back on.

Originally posted by h1a8

Eternity is universal not multiversal.
Actually Eternity 616 is Multiversal.

Eternity/Infinity 616 is a single reality that possess the infinite power of the prime Multiverse.

Originally posted by h1a8

I don't care what you have read but this is the way it is.
Each universe has an Eternity
and each Eternity is responsible for its own (a single) universe.
Not quite.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

There are Multiversal aspects of the same name of the universal ones.
Originally posted by h1a8

No there isn't.
Originally posted by TrollDog

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternity16do.jpg

Originally posted by fangirl101

then who is the multi-eternity?
Originally posted by TrollDog

Mr master will tell you when he logs back on.
With pleasure.


"Multi-Eternity" ... is ... Eternity. (Multiverse)

The term "Multi"
was added to his name by Captain Universe to describe Eternity's totality.

Now ...

"Aspects" of Eternity,
are single Universes.

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But both "Aspect" and "Totality" share the SAME consciousness:

ie.

Here an Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5282/as1za9.th.jpg

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

A am an aspect of all Eternity


(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8587/as2qa1.th.jpg

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"

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As we can see,
this Universe defines itself as an "Aspect" (single reality) and as the "Totality" (Multiverse) itself,
this is because the prime Multiverse spawned from the first reality (616)
derives from the first Eternity (616)

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Dormammu gets ready to travel to Eternity's core, the 616 reality:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9184/et1io3.th.jpg

"All of Eternity's power will be mine ...
I go now into the mystery of Eternity ...
the power of Creation itself"

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He transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.

What is the power of 616 Eternity?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2718/47980481ws8.th.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

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So Eternity/Infinity 616 (is a single reality)
that represents the totality of Eternity. (power of the infinite Prime Multiverse)

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616 Eternity appears before Strange:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4710/etisunicopyxs5.th.jpg

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Respect 616 Eternity yall!

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8027/etisuni2copysh4.th.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds Whole UniverseS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

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... what?

so basicly hes the marvel equivlent to harry potter... badass

and that means that beyonder is like ron weasely and galactus is like hermione

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Eternity 616 is Multiversal.

Eternity/Infinity 616 is a single reality that possess the infinite power of the prime Multiverse.


Not quite.






With pleasure.


"Multi-Eternity" ... is ... Eternity. (Multiverse)

The term "Multi"
was added to his name by Captain Universe to describe Eternity's totality.

Now ...

"Aspects" of Eternity,
are single Universes.

=======================================

But both "Aspect" and "Totality" share the SAME consciousness:

ie.

Here an Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5282/as1za9.th.jpg

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

A am an aspect of all Eternity


(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8587/as2qa1.th.jpg

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"

....................................................................................

As we can see,
this Universe defines itself as an "Aspect" (single reality) and as the "Totality" (Multiverse) itself,
this is because the prime Multiverse spawned from the first reality (616)
derives from the first Eternity (616)

....................................................................................

Dormammu gets ready to travel to Eternity's core, the 616 reality:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9184/et1io3.th.jpg

"All of Eternity's power will be mine ...
I go now into the mystery of Eternity ...
the power of Creation itself"

.............................................................................................


He transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.

What is the power of 616 Eternity?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2718/47980481ws8.th.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

=======================================

So Eternity/Infinity 616 (is a single reality)
that represents the totality of Eternity. (power of the infinite Prime Multiverse)

=======================================



..................................................................................


616 Eternity appears before Strange:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4710/etisunicopyxs5.th.jpg

..................................................................................


Respect 616 Eternity yall!

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8027/etisuni2copysh4.th.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds Whole UniverseS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

..................................................................................

boooooooo!
616 Eternity is universal, responsible only for the 616 universe (no others). Yes there is a multi-Eternity as this scan shows
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?...ternity16do.jpg

but other than that 616 Eternity is universal by the prime definition.
Stop misinterpreting comics. And even if some comic said, hinted, or showed that 616 Eternity is multiversal then it would be void. This is because it would contradict Eternity's prime definition and other evidences in comics.

maybe it is you who missinterpreted. some aspects of certain characters change between issues aka inconsistancy of stories. it sometimes takes thinking outside the box and comeing to your own conclusions to sort out what is constant and what is filler to make a story work... anyhoo none of this is on topic anyway sooo... who wants ice cream!

Originally posted by applelips

... what?
who?

Originally posted by applelips

so basicly hes the marvel equivlent to harry potter... badass
Tostadas.

Originally posted by applelips

and that means that beyonder is like ron weasely and galactus is like hermione
Beyonder is troop wilson and Galactus is eskanisento.

Then again, eskanisento is from the pacific, so perhaps not.

Originally posted by h1a8
boooooooo!
616 Eternity is universal, responsible only for the 616 universe (no others). Yes there is a multi-Eternity as this scan shows
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?...ternity16do.jpg

but other than that 616 Eternity is universal by the prime definition.
Stop misinterpreting comics. And even if some comic said, hinted, or showed that 616 Eternity is multiversal then it would be void. This is because it would contradict Eternity's prime definition and other evidences in comics.
I disagree good friend, and I'll give you my reasons in a little bit.

Originally posted by applelips

maybe it is you who missinterpreted.
some aspects of certain characters change between issues aka inconsistancy of stories.
it sometimes takes thinking outside the box
and comeing to your own conclusions to sort out what is constant
and what is filler to make a story work...


Originally posted by applelips

anyhoo none of this is on topic anyway sooo...
Actually, I thought you made sense.

Originally posted by applelips

who wants ice cream!