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Who takes this battle.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Who takes this battle.
Zero Hour Parallax, or shitty retconned Sinestro Corp Wars Lax?

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
Zero Hour Parallax, or shitty retconned Sinestro Corp Wars Lax?

Zero Hour. Thanos is also at his most powerful.

This is a tough fight, I'm going with Thanos right now. But I'm not so sure.

is this thanos with a powerup

is this hal jordan as parallax

Originally posted by guy222
is this thanos with a powerup

is this hal jordan as parallax

Yes to both questions.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes to both questions.

What powerup? Cosmic Cube? Gauntlet? HotI?

Originally posted by Soljer
What powerup? Cosmic Cube? Gauntlet? HotI?

Thanos has the Reality Gem and Time Gem.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Thanos has the Reality Gem and Time Gem.
is that enough against parallax who pretty could do what ever he wanted?

Originally posted by fangirl101
is that enough against parallax who pretty could do what ever he wanted?

With Thanos's considerable power and the Gems, he to would be able to do whatever he wanted. It's a tough fight.

Originally posted by fangirl101
is that enough against parallax who pretty could do what ever he wanted?

I doubt it. Parallax takes this.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I doubt it. Parallax takes this.

How?

The zero hour Parallax basically recreated the universe. And while that evens out a bit with the Sun Eater showing, I tend to believe that there were extenuating circumstances there, such as storing its power in the sun. That should prove to be superior than anything Thanos has done with the reality gem, and probably anything that he can do.

I'm not really sure about what the time gem brings to this fight, because I have ever seen it used to a great extent, so i'll stick with what I know currently and go with the being that has the higher feat. Thanos with the time/power gems or reality/power gems would be a much better matchup to me.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The zero hour Parallax basically recreated the universe. And while that evens out a bit with the Sun Eater showing, I tend to believe that there were extenuating circumstances there, such as storing its power in the sun. That should prove to be superior than anything Thanos has done with the reality gem, and probably anything that he can do.

I'm not really sure about what the time gem brings to this fight, because I have ever seen it used to a great extent, so i'll stick with what I know currently and go with the being that has the higher feat. Thanos with the time/power gems or reality/power gems would be a much better matchup to me.

What about giving him the IG, or do you think that would be overkill.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
What about giving him the IG, or do you think that would be overkill. not really as paralax could during zero hour do pretty much anything still tough fight im going with hal.

Parallax for the win


If you give thanos the IG...then Thanos for the win I.M.O

Parallax easily, unless Thanos has the IG.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I'm not really sure about what the time gem brings to this fight, because I have ever seen it used to a great extentThe most I've seen the TG do is own each individual infinity gem/protector, by stopping time around them. I've also seen it stop time across the Universe. Best of all is, it was the Ultraverse's Rune whom accomplished said feats (lol).

This battle would be a lot better with Zero Hour Extant in the place of Parallax.

As it stands...Parallax stomps Thanos.

Originally posted by Avlon
This battle would be a lot better with Zero Hour Extant in the place of Parallax. He'd still own Thanos here.

Originally posted by Galan007
He'd still own Thanos here.

Agreed, but it's still better than Parallax, considering that he pwned Extant, who in turn pwned the time trapper.

Originally posted by Galan007
The most I've seen the TG do is own each individual infinity gem/protector, by stopping time around them. I've also seen it stop time across the Universe. Best of all is, it was the Ultraverse's Rune whom accomplished said feats (lol).

True, but it can be argued that Pip with the space gem, Thanos with the reality gem, Moondragon with the mind gem, Drax with the power gem, and Warlock with the soul gem are not the same threat as Parallax individually. This is added to the fact that Thanos, the only gem wielder who truly understands his gem, also understands that the reality gem cannot be sued effectively on its own, and Warlock was betrayed by the soul gem.

Originally posted by Ouallada
True, but it can be argued that Pip with the space gem, Thanos with the reality gem, Moondragon with the mind gem, Drax with the power gem, and Warlock with the soul gem are not the same threat as Parallax individually. This is added to the fact that Thanos, the only gem wielder who truly understands his gem, also understands that the reality gem cannot be sued effectively on its own, and Warlock was betrayed by the soul gem. I wasn't arguing in Thanos' defense - just remarking on the best feats I'd seen the TG accomplish *shrugs*. At any rate, Parallax takes this with ease.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
What about giving him the IG, or do you think that would be overkill. Give him the ig and Thanos dominates here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give him the ig and Thanos dominates here.

I'll give Thanos the Space/Power/Mind Gems along with the Time and Reality Gems.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'll give Thanos the Space/Power/Mind Gems along with the Time and Reality Gems. Why not the soul gem?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why not the soul gem?

Well because I didn't want to give Thanos a clear victory over Parallax. With all the Gems Thanos is a monster. Now I think this fight is more on level ground.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Well because I didn't want to give Thanos a clear victory over Parallax. With all the Gems Thanos is a monster. Now I think this fight is more on level ground.
what did thanos with the ig do that parrallax did not? i seem to remember parallax wiping out all times, and realties. thanos with the ig did that?

Thanos with the IG can do that.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Thanos with the IG can do that.

oh can he? when has he done so?

I'll just give Thanos the IG.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'll just give Thanos the IG.
why dont you give thanos the hotu as well

Lulz at the changes taking place mid-thread.

Besides the IG of course,
the Reality Gem and Time Gem together, is the most powerful combo of all.

We've seen 4 Gems (Power-Soul-Space-Mind)
create from scratch UniverseS back to back,
simultaneously stacking said UniverseS on top of each other,
they created/stacked so many Universes that the Omniverse itself nearly collapsed.

But better yet ...

The Two Gems (Reality and Time) actually nullified all those Realities created by the 4 Gems,
and then ultimately created a new Universe (which was the Ultraverse again)



That's the greatest on panel showing of the Gems. (not IG)


The greatest on panel statements were made by the Soul Gem, LT & Thanos:

The Soul Gem said,
the IG could conquer both MultiverseS.
(the one housing 616 and the one housing the Ultraverse)

The LT basically vouched for the Soul Gem by saying,
the IG would bring about the demise of Rune's Multiverse,
and perhaps his own as well. (616 Multiverse he surveys mostly)

Thanos/IG said,
"I am Supreme in this, and All UniverseS"

...............................................................................

Greatest Incomplete IG feats:

Merged the 616 Reality and a duplicate 616 Reality in an instant.

Completely owned the Ultimate Nullifier (Multiversal remaker) with a thought.

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Greatest IG feats:

Owned the entire cosmic hierarchy (including 616 Eternity) save the LT.
(616 Eternity is a single reality possessing the power of the infinite Multiverse)

Replaced 616 Eternity as the center of all reality.

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Why didn't the IG do much more?

Because Thanos only wanted one Reality (616)

Because Nebula only had time to rearrange one reality (616)

Because Warlock didn't want any reality.


But obviously folks,
when we see what 4 Gems, or 2 Gems can do,
we don't need to reach much on the IG's potential
if the wielder wishes to take his adventure beyond a universe.

Also, as Galan pointed out,
the Time Gem alone froze the entire 616 Timestream.

Originally posted by fangirl101
oh can he? when has he done so? If you read the ig acr you would know Thanos could do whatever he wanted to the 616 universe. He snapped his finger and half the population was eliminated just like that. The gems give him more power and control and more versatility than Parallax.

Paraliax wins 100/10, Next plz

Originally posted by Nihilist
why dont you give thanos the hotu as well

I'm not sure what it is capable of, enlighten me.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'll just give Thanos the IG.

Spite.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Spite.

No it's not, especially against Parallax.

Of course it is.

The IG lets the wielder do just about anything.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Of course it is.

The IG lets the wielder do just about anything.

So can Parallax, seems like it's more of a very tough battle instead of spite.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Paraliax wins 100/10, Next plz Explain what Parallax can do that the ig cant do.

IG makes you "God" beneath the LT on panel.

IG gives you absolute Omnipotence according to the IG bio at Marvel.com.

IG makes you "God" period according to Jim Starlin's (creator/writer of the IG) Marvel Age interview.


Only one being in Marvel is above the IG for sure ...

.... the LT.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
So can Parallax,

No, he can't.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
No, he can't.

Yes, pretty much. Parallax is deffinitly one to go against Thanos w/IG.

Explain what Thanos with the IG can do to Parallax that Parallax cannot also do or block.

Thanos with the IG defeats 616 Eternity is one move:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/589/61121147dz1.th.jpg


Thanos even replaces the core of the Multiverse with himself in an instant:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6613/17673650bs0.th.jpg
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Big deal, and who the heck is 616 Eternity?

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Dormammu gets ready to travel to Eternity's core, the 616 reality:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9184/et1io3.th.jpg

"All of Eternity's power will be mine ...
I go now into the mystery of Eternity ...
the power of Creation itself"

.............................................................................................


He transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.

What is the power of 616 Eternity?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2718/47980481ws8.th.jpg

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

.............................................................................................


Holy! ... Now I see who 616 Eternity is.

.............................................................................................


Is this a surprise?

not at all.

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616 Reality/Eternity = the foundation of the Marvel Omniverse!

.....................................................................................................

This is why this can happen:

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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7572/96351941pf7.th.jpg

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "


..................................................................................


Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3118/78090319qu9.th.jpg

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"


Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

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Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6189/616re0.th.jpg

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"

ON PANEL during the IG Trilogy
BOTH 616 Eternity and 616 Infinity are the core of the Multiverse,
BOTH possess the power of the Multiverse,
BOTH speak with authority over the Multiverse.

............................................................................................


616 Eternity and Infinity are both absolute Multiversal beings:

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Warlock goes searching for 616 Eternity:

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5025/warlockcontactsthemultiverse3i.th.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6823/w1uo8.th.jpg

"The Building Blocks of Reality"

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Warlock finds 616 Eternity/Infinity:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4966/w2yv9.th.jpg


http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1615/eisp5.th.jpg

"An Astral Union of ALL, I never dreamt"

"You interrupt mortal,

... Speak your piece quickly and BE GONE"

............................................................................................


Here,
616 Eternity/Infinity let it be known how they could care less about one Universe.

They refer to other UniverseS are "A Part" of their totality:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1623/multiverse2co.th.jpg

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality,

... WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the ... WHOLE ... is absolutely indispensable"


............................................................................................


Again: ("WE Exist in Myriad Fashions"

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5109/multiverse28yb.th.jpg

"the Embodiment of Actuality, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions

... Do not pester Us with matter of little import

... Do not pester US, unlike ourselves, our patience is not without limits"

............................................................................................

Right, their "patience has limits" ... but they do Not, as in they're infinite.

(the Infinite Multiverse anyone) = 616 Eternity/Infinity.

Here is more On Panel PROOF of what 616 Eternity is
during the Infinity Gauntlet Trilogy;

This is also straight from the IG Trilogy:

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616 Eternity appears before Strange:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4710/etisunicopyxs5.th.jpg

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Respect 616 Eternity biatch!

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8027/etisuni2copysh4.th.jpg

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds Whole UniverseS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"

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Strange on Eternity: (during the Dormy arc)


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1516/etrw0.th.jpg

Strange:

"As I suspected,
he's managed to siphon off the Infinite energies of Eternity himself"

Namor:

"You speak as if Dormammu has become some kind of ... GOD."

Strange:

"GOD --- may be too small a word"

Namor:

"We've face self-styled gods before ... everytime we've stopped them"


Strange:

"You don't understand?

Eternity IS A GOD! He is ...
the complete embodiment of everyone and everything ...
... on All levels of Creation"

.............................................................................

In fact,

Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29

Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"


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The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT.

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When Thanos claimed ... "I am Supreme"
the Watcher responded with:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5638/suuc6.th.jpg

"Who is there to argue with this sentiment"

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Thanos became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1825/igmakesyougod7zf.th.jpg

Thanos, ... "In-effect became God"

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Warlock became "God" beneath the Lt according to Marvel comics:

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/4705/igmakesyougod23un.th.jpg

Warlock, ... "was mentally unfit to be God"

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Soul Gem states, that the IG is Omnipotence ... and makes the wielder All there is:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5749/igisgod7bm0.th.jpg

"I am one of Six which were once One ...
we were Omnipotence and All there was"

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The Living Tribunal certifies this claim:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1970/igisgod2dn4.th.jpg

"Warlock chose him while in a state of Omnipotence,
AND,
it can NOT be denied"

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In plain english ... the LT called Warlock "God"

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2392/ltcallsiggodtf9.th.jpg

"Is that the type of God you are?"

..........................................................................................



Jim Starlin


(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)


gets interviewed by Marvel Age.


Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories which would otherwise be compressed by time & space.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7315/igmakegod1bz0.th.jpg

"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

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Jim Starlin himself adds:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9950/igmakegod2zt8.th.jpg

"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"

Mr Master just soloed the field.

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4 Gems (Mind-Soul-Space-Power)

were Creating entire Realities back to back to back
one on top of the other:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/995/n5pa7.th.jpg

"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"

......................................................................................

This incredible feat was uber madness,
and was going to cause the Omniverse to collpase.

(this story takes place acorss Two MultiverseS
one houses 616 the other the Ultraverse)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7230/gemox1.th.jpg

"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here? ... This whole Reality is wrong,

"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed,
I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,
one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"

......................................................................................

In the end,

2 Gems (Time-Reality)

were able to nullify all those Realities
while simultaneously creating over that a single entire Universe in an instant
by manipulating Time and warping Reality:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2338/n8ls5.th.jpg

Time Gem:

"Reality/Time Gems reunited,
we can travel back to the Reality and Time to stop the Nemesis waves"

Amber:

"I don't understand this, but if You Gems (Reality/Time) are here with me,
and also in Nemesis aren't there Two of You know?"

Time gem:

"No ... I (Time Gem) removed the Reality Gem
and Myself from this exact nanosecond of Time we now occupy.
Two Time Gems would create a Paradox
that would destroy Nemesis, Reality and Time forever"
.........................................................................................

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6865/n9hd0.th.jpg

"Due to the exposure to the Entity (Nemesis)
your body now holds the power to absorb the Nemesis Waves
and then release it as harmless energy"


And so she does:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/962/n10pw6.th.jpg

......................................................................................

That was just 4 Gems ... and then 2 Gems ...

Respect the IG yall. (6 Gems) stoned

Originally posted by Mr Master
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4 Gems (Mind-Soul-Space-Power)

were Creating entire Realities back to back to back
one on top of the other:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/995/n5pa7.th.jpg

"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"

......................................................................................

This incredible feat was uber madness,
and was going to cause the Omniverse to collpase.

(this story takes place acorss Two MultiverseS
one houses 616 the other the Ultraverse)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7230/gemox1.th.jpg

"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here? ... This whole Reality is wrong,

"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed,
I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,
one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"

......................................................................................

In the end,

2 Gems (Time-Reality)

were able to nullify all those Realities
while simultaneously creating over that a single entire Universe in an instant
by manipulating Time and warping Reality:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2338/n8ls5.th.jpg

Time Gem:

"Reality/Time Gems reunited,
we can travel back to the Reality and Time to stop the Nemesis waves"

Amber:

"I don't understand this, but if You Gems (Reality/Time) are here with me,
and also in Nemesis aren't there Two of You know?"

Time gem:

"No ... I (Time Gem) removed the Reality Gem
and Myself from this exact nanosecond of Time we now occupy.
Two Time Gems would create a Paradox
that would destroy Nemesis, Reality and Time forever"
.........................................................................................

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6865/n9hd0.th.jpg

"Due to the exposure to the Entity (Nemesis)
your body now holds the power to absorb the Nemesis Waves
and then release it as harmless energy"


And so she does:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/962/n10pw6.th.jpg

......................................................................................

That was just 4 Gems ... and then 2 Gems ...

Respect the IG yall. (6 Gems) stoned What comic and what year did this comic take place.

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Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had Total CONTROL of TWO Universes.

(the 616 Reality and a duplicate 616 Reality)

And he himself was in a Universe separated from these TWO Universes he was Totally Controlling!

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http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY,

USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units,

would have taken HOURS to Accomplish" ~~~~~>

"Other matters have a higher priority now,
such as MAKING YOUR Universe MINE"

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With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO Universes in an INSTANT.

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More PROOF:


Immediately after Magus merges the Two UniverseS:


Dr Strange says,

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5967/m1uf3.th.jpg

"We have FAILED, the Magus has WON this Round"

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Xavier says,

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3129/m2zm9.th.jpg

"Already I feel it METAMORPHOSING into something Unrecognizable"

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Galactus says,

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8986/m3zl2.th.jpg

"Energy Levels Up in the target Dimension, ALTERATIONS in MY OWN REALITY"

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Of course this is child's play to what Magus accomplished with an Incomplete IG.

This is the most awesome feat, by a freakin Incomplete IG:

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Incomplete IG owns the UN effortlessly:

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5366/igvsunoz6.th.jpg



Quasar was actually able to set it off,
the same device Reed later wiped out and remade the infinite Multiverse with:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2843/igvsun2pi1.th.jpg

Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them,

Absolute control..

Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.

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http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8928/igvsun3sw2.th.jpg

"With a Thought,
I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes, pretty much. Parallax is deffinitly one to go against Thanos w/IG.

Exactly, Mr. M just stated the facts about the IG (actually I didn't bother to read all that, I'm just taking his word for it, he tends to know what he is talking about). Parallax while powerful, is nowhere near having the kind of power that the IG posseses.

That's why I said it was spite, while you were perhaps unaware of what the complete IG was capable of.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Exactly, Mr. M just stated the facts about the IG (actually I didn't bother to read all that, I'm just taking his word for it, he tends to know what he is talking about). Parallax while powerful, is nowhere near having the kind of power that the IG posseses.

That's why I said it was spite, while you were perhaps unaware of what the complete IG was capable of.

I agree to a current degree. From what Mr Master just provided, I would say he does know what he is talking about as well. But I think he was also responding to this......

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Explain what Thanos with the IG can do to Parallax that Parallax cannot also do or block.

I'm not sure of Mr Master's opinion of the outcome of this battle. And I don't think you fully understand the level of power Parallax displayed when he set out to return his loved ones and what his did to achieve his goals. Don't get me wrong, I do think Thanos would take this battle 7/10. But this is far from spite.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here,
616 Eternity/Infinity let it be known how they could care less about one Universe.

They refer to other UniverseS are "A Part" of their totality:

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1623/multiverse2co.th.jpg

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality,

... WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the ... WHOLE ... is absolutely indispensable"
Hold on, where do they say that the one aspect is a universe?

Meh. More scan manipulation.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Hold on, where do they say that the one aspect is a universe?
Hold on,
so you seriously didn't know that Aspects of Eternity are single Universes?

We've been through this before dogs, come on.


Meh, anyways,

an Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5282/as1za9.th.jpg

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an aspect of all Eternity


(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8587/as2qa1.th.jpg

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Meh. More scan manipulation.
Meh, you feel real stupid once again.

This is why you're considered a Troll at kmc.

And for fallaciously accusing me of tampering scans,
I'm going to pull your card troll. (remember the Ultraverse deception you tried to pull?)

You got balls biatch,
you, who were literally caught fabricating scans, (I will present it)
have the audacity to point fingers, and without reason no less,
you swam in Kandy's ignorance concerning Eternity's aspects,
and then thought you had an opening to exercise your Trollish purpose.

Freakin trolls make me sick.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hold on,
so you seriously didn't know that Aspects of Eternity are single Universes?

We've been through this before dogs, come on.


Meh, anyways,

an Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5282/as1za9.th.jpg

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an aspect of all Eternity


(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8587/as2qa1.th.jpg

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"


Meh, you feel real stupid once again.

This is why you're considered a Troll at kmc.

And for fallaciously accusing me of tampering scans,
I'm going to pull your card troll. (remember the Ultraverse deception you tried to pull?)

You got balls biatch,
you, who were literally caught fabricating scans, (I will present it)
have the audacity to point fingers, and without reason no less,
you swam in Kandy's ignorance concerning Eternity's aspects,
and then thought you had an opening to exercise your Trollish purpose.

Freakin trolls make me sick.
___________________________________
First off, where does marvel state this.....
"The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT."

If its the site you linked....it does not, is this your opinion?

Second you keep adding it to your scans...when there is no evidence(in this thread), if its somewhere i would like to see it.....
_____________________________________
Mr Master
In fact,

Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infi...tlet_%28item%29

Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"


.............................................................................

The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT.

.............................................................................


When Thanos claimed ... "I am Supreme"
the Watcher responded with:



"Who is there to argue with this sentiment"

..........................................................................................


Thanos became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:



Thanos, ... "In-effect became God"

..........................................................................................


Warlock became "God" beneath the Lt according to Marvel comics:



Warlock, ... "was mentally unfit to be God"

..........................................................................................


Soul Gem states, that the IG is Omnipotence ... and makes the wielder All there is:



"I am one of Six which were once One ...
we were Omnipotence and All there was"

.............................................................................


The Living Tribunal certifies this claim:



"Warlock chose him while in a state of Omnipotence,
AND,
it can NOT be denied"

.............................................................................


In plain english ... the LT called Warlock "God"



"Is that the type of God you are?"

..........................................................................................



Jim Starlin


(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)


gets interviewed by Marvel Age.


Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories which would otherwise be compressed by time & space.



"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin himself adds:



"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"

__________________________________________________
_

So according to Marvel Comics"The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT".....can i see this statement as you typed it...... in a comic panel or in a bio....Not your opinion based on scans, and if it is stated as such, should it not be with your other scans?

I dont know why you dont see this as a problem, at least if you have the evidence,please show us, even i like to learn a thing or two from you

Oh and i would watch your language btw, i might not be a mod, but we must learn to control ourselves, it was worse in the past and has gotten better...but c'mon with the language allready

I fabricated scans ? I'll even bump that thread again so I can own you in it if it's really necesary, despite not really being worth searching for it just to make you look like an idiot.

And if it's really gotten to this point, where you try to bring up instances like this in an attempt to make me look bad, then I guarantee you that first I'll show that you have no solid ground to base yourself on and then start showings instances where you flat out contradict yourself and look stupid.

Funny of you to call me a troll. From the one who spams in almost every debate he is in with the same scans he saved in a document over and over again, even when he is proven wrong.

Do I need to mention your numerous discussions with GalacticStorm where he wipes the floor with you ? Seriously, in almost every instance I've seen you and him debate he trashes you until you pull the "I'll just repost this so that when somebody enters the thread he will think I'm right" or call him a troll. Not to mention many instances where you bait him by picking on Phoenix and such.

So if I were you, I'd shut up.

Originally posted by starlock

First off, where does marvel state this.....

"The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT."

If its the site you linked....it does not, is this your opinion?
On Panel the IG makes one God! (many references)

Jim Starlin stated the IG makes one God! (Marvel Age interview)

If ONLY the LT proved to be above the IG,
then the IG makes one God beneath the LT.

Originally posted by starlock

Second you keep adding it to your scans...

when there is no evidence (in this thread), if its somewhere i would like to see it
hum

Originally posted by starlock

So according to Marvel Comics

"The IG makes one "God" (absolute Omnipotence) beneath the LT".....

can i see this statement as you typed it......

in a comic panel or in a bio....

According to Marvel.com - the Living Tribunal and the Soul Gem

The Infinity Gauntlet grants the wielder ABSOLUTE OMNIPOTENCE:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29

Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

.............................................................................


Soul Gem states, that the IG is Omnipotence ... and makes the wielder All there is:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5749/igisgod7bm0.th.jpg

"I am one of Six which were once One ...
we were Omnipotence and All there was"

.............................................................................


The Living Tribunal certifies this claim:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1970/igisgod2dn4.th.jpg

"Warlock chose him while in a state of Omnipotence,
AND,
it can NOT be denied"

.............................................................................



.............................................................................

According to ON PANEL evidence ... the IG makes one GOD!

.............................................................................

Thanos became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1825/igmakesyougod7zf.th.jpg

Thanos, ... "In-effect became God"

..........................................................................................


Warlock became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/4705/igmakesyougod23un.th.jpg

Warlock, ... "was mentally unfit to be God"

..........................................................................................

..........................................................................................

According to ON PANEL evidence,
and the official Marvel Handbook ... the LT represents power above the IG,
the LT's power surpasses that of the IG:

..........................................................................................

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

...................................................................................

The bio tells us the LT ordered Warlock, and Warlock obeyed:


On Panel confirmation:

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7757/ltorderswl0iy.th.jpg



This is because the LT represents power above the IG,
so intern, the LT is also above the IG:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

Just like the official Handbook confirms,
the LT's power surpassed that of the IG.

Originally posted by starlock

Not your opinion based on scans,
and if it is stated as such, should it not be with your other scans?
My opinion is not an opinion,
my claim comes straight from Marvel Comics, Marvel Handbooks,
and Jim Starlin himself.

It doesn't need to spell it out for us,

"the IG makes one God beneath the LT.

Because we All KNOW the IG makes one God!

And if the IG is below the LT!

Well then obviously,
the IG makes one God beneath the LT!



Originally posted by starlock

I dont know why you dont see this as a problem,
at least if you have the evidence,please show us,
even i like to learn a thing or two from you
Cool.

The only problem I see though,
is that you're not seeing the evidence for what it is.

Why? I don't know, but if you see it another way, that's fine.

I mean, even Jim Starlin himself stated that the IG made one God!

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin


(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)


gets interviewed by Marvel Age.


Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories that took place in Marvel Comics!

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7315/igmakegod1bz0.th.jpg

"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin himself adds:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9950/igmakegod2zt8.th.jpg

"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"

Originally posted by starlock

Oh and i would watch your language btw, i might not be a mod, but we must learn to control ourselves, it was worse in the past and has gotten better...but c'mon with the language already
Off-topic.

Stick to the debate and worry about yourself.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I fabricated scans ?
I'll even bump that thread again so I can own you in it if it's really necesary, despite not really being worth searching for it

just to make you look like an idiot.
You made yourself look like a complete idiot,
the second you stated I was manipulating scans based on Kandy's question.

A real freakin idiot!


And don't worry,
I'll post your deliberate deception myself:
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

1.Establishing if the Ultraforce/Avengers crossover is canon

Just because the company that is Malibu Comics was purchased by Marvel Comics
does in no way make that crossover canon .

Let's ANALYZE that shall we ? Malibu Comics was purchased in 1994 by Marvel comics .


Ultraforce #1 (1995 , 1 year after being bought by Marvel)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8509/ufv2010001ig2.th.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/uf01.jpg

but al the proof seems to show that it isn't .

So until I'll read it when you show me it's canon . UNTIL then ..

Points and scans from this crossover - Nullified .
Bull shit


Is this how you analyze? By carefully cropping scans deceptively to suit your argument?

LOL!


Here's the rest of that scan homie:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4892/99351638zj8.th.jpg

"Trademark and Copyright 1995 Marvel Entertainment Group Inc ALL Rights Reserved"



Nice try. (Did you really think you'd get away with that?)

======================================

MORE?

Oh yea, MORE!!!!! EVIDENCE that the Ultraverse is CANON to Marvel!!!

======================================


mwahaha


(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)


(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/331/41967599ew2.th.jpg

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

..........................................................................................................

whistling (see ... that's what we call scan manipulation at kmc)

You guilty!

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

And if it's really gotten to this point,
where you try to bring up instances like this in an attempt to make me look bad,

then I guarantee you that first I'll show that you have no solid ground to base yourself on
and then start showings instances where you flat out contradict yourself and look stupid.
So now you're whinning like a biatch cause I'm striking back at your fallacious accusation?

That's the game you play troll?

You lie about members, then when they stand up for themselves,
you cry victim?

How convenient.

What happened to this victim below?
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Meh. More scan manipulation.
This ^^^ is from the previous page 19th Post.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=3

You came out of nowhere with this gobbledygook,
you added absolutely nothing to the debate,
you only entered this thread to LIE about me.

That's the definition of a TROLL!

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Funny of you to call me a troll.
You're a Troll, there's no doubting that.

This thread is proof of that.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

From the one who spams in almost every debate he is in with the same scans he saved in a document over and over again, even when he is proven wrong.
Meaningless gibberish.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Do I need to mention your numerous discussions with GalacticStorm where he wipes the floor with you ? Seriously, in almost every instance I've seen you and him debate he trashes you until you pull the "I'll just repost this so that when somebody enters the thread he will think I'm right" or call him a troll. Not to mention many instances where you bait him by picking on Phoenix and such.
stfu2

This delusion lowers you even further.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

So if I were you, I'd shut up.
Bring it son, bring it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You made yourself look like a complete idiot,
the second you stated I was manipulating scans based on Kandy's question.

A real freakin idiot!

So now you're whinning like a biatch cause I'm striking back at your fallacious accusation?

That's the game you play troll?

You lie about members, then when they stand up for themselves,
you cry victim?

How convenient.

What happened to this victim below?

This ^^^ is from the previous page 19th Post.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=3

You came out of nowhere with this gobbledygook,
you added absolutely nothing to the debate,
you only entered this thread to LIE about me.

That's the definition of a TROLL!

You're a Troll, there's no doubting that.

This thread is proof of that.

Meaningless gibberish.

stfu2

This delusion lowers you even further.

Bring it son, bring it.

Not really. Why would I make myself look like an idiot when I state the obvious, and which you do in almost every debate you're involved in ?

I'm tired (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) of your continued spamming of threads with 'arguments' saved up in documents, concerning out of context scans with which you hope can convice the ones that read your discussions that you have an argument/you're right.

And if anything, like I said, your discussions with GalacticStorm, the constant owning he gave you in almost every discussion you've had with him, and you in the end resorting to either calling him a troll or reposting the same arguments only proved that you are the real troll.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Not really.
Why would I make myself look like an idiot when I state the obvious,
and which you do in almost every debate you're involved in ?
Still spewing gibberish.

be a man dogs, own up.

You stepped into this thread just to LIE about me,
cause you thought I had based on Kandy's ignorance concerning Eternity's Aspects.

So I know you feel real stupid, although you'l play the biatch and ignore that.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I'm tired (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) of your continued spamming of threads with 'arguments' saved up in documents, concerning out of context scans with which you hope can convice the ones that read your discussions that you have an argument/you're right.
I'm only tired of you Trolling.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

And if anything, like I said, your discussions with GalacticStorm, the constant owning he gave you in almost every discussion you've had with him, and you in the end resorting to either calling him a troll or reposting the same arguments only proved that you are the real troll.
sign23 Gibberish, and more lies.

Go crawl back in your hole troll.

This is a general post and not directed to one person.

Do I really need to close this thread and hand out warnings? Please be civil. Thanks.

i'm confused. all these damned scans are messing up the debate!! too many. and i've seen these before looking thru other threads. what is going on? i did see that one became god under the lt. now how in the hell can you be god and still be under someone else? that makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I can't belive that I'm seeing this 'outstanding logic.

So because it's published by the Marvel company,
which is obvious since Malibu comics has been purchased by the company,

it makes it canon ?

You're actually using that to support you argument ?

What I posted was the only relevant part, so that it would be obvious that the Ultraforce still counted as part of Malibu comics. To further sustain this, here is the cover from Ultraforce/Avengers 1 :

I hope everybody can SEE the Marvel Comics and Malibu Comics as being written separate on the cover ?

And now for the final blow, I'll just show this ..


What are you showing except for over-sized scans that prove nothing,
or disprove your attempts at fooling members with your deliberate fabrication.

I'll tell you what is HILARIOUS!!!!

That you're actually still trying to bull shit about the Ultraverse's canonicity.

======================================

(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)

............................................................................................


(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/331/41967599ew2.th.jpg

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"

............................................................................................

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

=======================================

durznuts

Seriously, go read comics dogs.

You're probably the biggest fake in kmc.

A troll that starts a fight,
then acts like he's the victim when the person he started with strikes back.


So again .. bring it son, bring it!

You wanna start shit with me for no reason other than you're a hater, (troll)
cool,
but you better be ready to go all the way.

Originally posted by Mr Master


What are you showing except for over-sized scans that prove nothing,
or disprove your attempts at fooling members with your deliberate fabrication.

I'll tell you what is HILARIOUS!!!!

That you're actually still trying to bull shit about the Ultraverse's canonicity.

..........................................................................................................

(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)




(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/331/41967599ew2.th.jpg

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"



http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

..........................................................................................................

durznuts

Seriously, go read comics dogs.

You're probably the biggest fake in kmc.

A troll that starts a fight,
then acts like he's the victim when the person he started with strikes back.


So again .. bring it son, bring it!

You wanna start shit with me for no reason other than you're a hater, (troll)
cool,
but you better be ready to go all the way. Originally posted by Badabing
This is a general post and not directed to one person.

Do I really need to close this thread and hand out warnings? Please be civil. Thanks.

Cool. I'll stop.

I proved my point anyway

Hey Bada, I'll admit I'm striking back at this cat,
but this is why.

There's exacty Four pages on this thread,
this dude only replied twice,
both times he insults someone.

First in general subtly right here:
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Lulz at the changes taking place mid-thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=2

Which isn't much of a big deal.

...............................................................................

Then he decides to accuse me of lying,
as if I'm deceptively fabricating scans:
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Meh. More scan manipulation.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=3

We were all having a pretty cool discussion,
until this person came in here from the blue,
and agitated me in order to start some petty argument.

I know it's just trollish behaviour, but I couldn't help myself, and I fought back.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey Bada, I'll admit I'm striking back at this cat,
but this is why.

There's exacty Four pages on this thread,
this dude only replied twice,
both times he insults someone.

First in general subtly right here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=2

Which isn't much of a big deal.

...............................................................................

Then he decides to accuse me of lying,
as if I'm deceptively fabricating scans:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=3

We were all having a pretty cool discussion,
until this person came in here from the blue,
and agitated me in order to start some petty argument.

I know it's just trollish behaviour, but I couldn't help myself, and I fought back.

that really just seems like someone's interpretation of what you are doing. is he not entitled to state his opinion? sorry if i'm out of order but why get all riled up about it unless it's true? i never get upset over stuff people say about me if i know it's not true. they say the truth hurts far more than a lie. just my two cents.
fangirl101.

Originally posted by Mr Master
My opinion is not an opinion,
my claim comes straight from Marvel Comics, Marvel Handbooks,
and Jim Starlin himself.

It doesn't need to spell it out for us,

"the IG makes one God beneath the LT.

Because we All KNOW the IG makes one God!

And if the IG is below the LT!

Well then obviously,
the IG makes one God beneath the LT!




Cool.

The only problem I see though,
is that you're not seeing the evidence for what it is.

Why? I don't know, but if you see it another way, that's fine.

I mean, even Jim Starlin himself stated that the IG made one God!

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin


(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)


gets interviewed by Marvel Age.


Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories that took place in Marvel Comics!

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7315/igmakegod1bz0.th.jpg

"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"

..........................................................................................


Jim Starlin himself adds:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9950/igmakegod2zt8.th.jpg

"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"


Off-topic.

Stick to the debate and worry about yourself.

Where does it state that the IG makes you god under LT?
Where does it state that the IG is under LT?

Are you going to produce a bio referencing the fact that LT made the gems not work together? that is not proof, i would like to see LT clearly defeat the IG while a user is tapping its power..Better yet lets see the evidence that states what you typed.so i wait for the evidence


You keep using foul language while there is a chance that a child might read it and.....it is on topic, i mean how many reports do you really want....i can press the issue and produce much worse from you, so try and be more civil and stop using such language....if its off topic to show you your filthy mouth....is it not off topic to use foul language to begin with?

Originally posted by fangirl101

that really just seems like someone's interpretation of what you are doing.
dontgetit

Originally posted by fangirl101

is he not entitled to state his opinion?
Absolutely.

But when his opinion is a LIE concerning my name,
that entitlement comes with a price.

Originally posted by fangirl101

sorry if i'm out of order but why get all riled up about it unless it's true?
I'm riled up cause it's a LIE!

Not cause it's true. wtf.

Originally posted by fangirl101

i never get upset over stuff people say about me if i know it's not true.
they say the truth hurts far more than a lie. just my two cents.
fangirl101.
I hate liars friend, with a passion.

But I hate trolls that lie far more.

And fangirl, you're now getting off-topic,
this doesn't concern you in the slightest,
so you might as well ignore it.

I'll respond to comic book/thread related material only here on out.

Originally posted by starlock

Where does it state that the IG makes you god under LT?
Where does it state that the IG is under LT?
Are you serious?

Originally posted by starlock

Are you going to produce a bio referencing the fact that LT made the gems not work together? that is not proof,

i would like to see LT clearly defeat the IG while a user is tapping its power..

Better yet lets see the evidence that states what you typed.

so i wait for the evidence

...................................................................................

Actually on panel the LT, with a gesture, stopped Warlock's IG attack:
(an attack that obliterated Eternity and the rest of the Hierarchy)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg


With a gesture, Stopped, and simultaneously LT recreates everyone with the same gesture.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

...................................................................................

Official Marvel Handbooks of 2006 solidify the LT's superiority over the IG:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

During that issue the LT clearly displayed dominance,
at the beginning, and at the end,
this is why the bio clearly tells us,
"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

...................................................................................



Originally posted by starlock

You keep using foul language while there is a chance that a child might read it and.....it is on topic, i mean how many reports do you really want....i can press the issue and produce much worse from you, so try and be more civil and stop using such language....if its off topic to show you your filthy mouth....is it not off topic to use foul language to begin with?
Gibberish.

Already told you to mind your business, and stay on topic.

If you have something to say,
tell that dude that messed up this thread by starting this bull shit

Or do you only see what Mr Master does?

I seen you jump quick on the attack towards anyone you believe has insulted you,
so Mr Master doesn't have that right to defend himself? nup

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey Bada, I'll admit I'm striking back at this cat,
but this is why.

There's exacty Four pages on this thread,
this dude only replied twice,
both times he insults someone.

First in general subtly right here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=2

Which isn't much of a big deal.

...............................................................................

Then he decides to accuse me of lying,
as if I'm deceptively fabricating scans:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=483324&pagenumber=3

We were all having a pretty cool discussion,
until this person came in here from the blue,
and agitated me in order to start some petty argument.

I know it's just trollish behaviour, but I couldn't help myself, and I fought back. My post was directed at everyone involved no matter who started and who retaliated. I don't like closing threads, handing out warnings or banning but I will if people don't calm down and act more civil. If there are individual complaints then I will consider them over a report or a PM and not on an open thread. Everybody needs to relax as this will be my final "friendly" warning. This is comics and not religion or politics. Thanks.

Originally posted by Badabing
My post was directed at everyone involved no matter who started and who retaliated. I don't like closing threads, handing out warnings or banning but I will if people don't calm down and act more civil. If there are individual complaints then I will consider them over a report or a PM and not on an open thread. Everybody needs to relax as this will be my final "friendly" warning. This is comics and not religion or politics. Thanks.

Agreed. Why does this happen to all my good threads?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Are you serious?



...................................................................................

Actually on panel the LT, with a gesture, stopped Warlock's IG attack:
(an attack that obliterated Eternity and the rest of the Hierarchy)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg


With a gesture, Stopped, and simultaneously LT recreates everyone with the same gesture.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

...................................................................................

Official Marvel Handbooks of 2006 solidify the LT's superiority over the IG:

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

During that issue the LT clearly displayed dominance,
at the beginning, and at the end,
this is why the bio clearly tells us,
"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

...................................................................................




Gibberish.

Already told you to mind your business, and stay on topic.

If you have something to say,
tell that dude that messed up this thread by starting this bull shit

Or do you only see what Mr Master does?

I seen you jump quick on the attack towards anyone you believe has insulted you,
so Mr Master doesn't have that right to defend himself? nup


All you have proven is that LT is superior to the gems while seperate from the gauntlet, your opinion of the confrontation is not needed, so you have no proof that the IG makes you god below LT


Why do you say over the IG....when the bio states "gems"

It is your opinions that make it seem that you are misleading and lying about your proof, and it has been since i got to this site.....your all about stating your opinion as fact


Once again i will address your language......it is different to banter back and forth, tryin to be a wise guy and insult the oposition whie trying to win a debate, but you have to resort to using language that is not fit for me to even type, if you cant see the difference then i feel sorry for you and hope that someday you will see the difference....but i hope it stops because i will report you over and over agin.....i will report anybody for the same reasons....so dont feel like i am only gunning for you only

Para wins!

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'm not sure what it is capable of, enlighten me. You don't know much about these do you?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Agreed. Why does this happen to all my good threads? I see no good thread here.

Originally posted by Captain Angont
I see no good thread here.

Do I know you "junior"?

Originally posted by starlock

All you have proven is that LT is superior to the gems while seperate from the gauntlet

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6230/igya1.th.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3538/w6jk3.th.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1166/w7xt1.th.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5434/ltwc9.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"

dontgetit

Originally posted by starlock

your opinion of the confrontation is not needed
I agree, the proof's as plain as day right above.

Originally posted by starlock

so you have no proof that the IG makes you god below LT
I already posted plenty of proof that the IG makes one God.

On Panel, and out of the mouth of Jim Starlin himself.

And the Marvel.com IG Bio states it grants you "Absolute Omnipotence"


So ... it doesn't take a genius to understand,
the IG makes you God beneath the LT!

Because the IG makes you God and it's below the LT.

Originally posted by starlock

Why do you say over the IG....when the bio states "gems"

It is your opinions that make it seem that you are misleading
and lying about your proof,
and it has been since i got to this site
.....your all about stating your opinion as fact
"misleading?"

Wait, so you think they're talking about the Gems separately?

Even though the LT (on panel) made the IG ineffective?

Even though the LT (on panel) made the IG effective?

Even though with a gesture,
the LT (on panel) shunted IG/Warlock's furious attack?

Even though the LT and Warlock both stated the LT represents a force above the IG?
(making the LT above the IG, otherwise, what's the point of claiming that?)

Even though the Silver Surfer stated that the LT could defeat the Rune/IG?


Finally,

Even though the LT's Bio makes it quite clear that his power is above the Gems? (IG)

.........................................................................................

The story they were describing was about the IG., not the gems separate.

And the on panel evidence speaks for itself.
.........................................................................................

You got jokes throwing around "lying, misleading" ...
dogs seriously, that's funny.

Originally posted by starlock

Once again i will address your language......it is different to banter back and forth,
tryin to be a wise guy and insult the oposition whie trying to win a debate
Once again, this is inconsequential to the debate,
and it's completely inaccurate on top of it's irrelevance.

Originally posted by starlock

but you have to resort to using language that is not fit for me to even type,
if you cant see the difference then i feel sorry for you and hope that someday you will see the difference....but i hope it stops because i will report you over and over agin.....i will report anybody for the same reasons....

so dont feel like i am only gunning for you only
Please worry not, I don't feel shit

Report away.

I'll stick to debating, that's my only focus,
and preferably with cats that just want to debate also,
respectfully, without the snide and/or sarcastic garbage that starts things up.
Without the hidden agendas and stung egos,
without the grudge minded and thin tempered.

That's how I like it,
with true debaters it's like that,
there may be passion in a debate,
but in the end, we're friends who share a mutual respect for each other.


So stay on topic, and give me the same courtesy I give you,
and don't mind yourself with how I handle trolls.
Just be about comics, and be happy.

!Peace and love!

Originally posted by starlock
All you have proven is that LT is superior to the gems while seperate from the gauntlet, your opinion of the confrontation is not needed, so you have no proof that the IG makes you god below LT


Why do you say over the IG....when the bio states "gems"

It is your opinions that make it seem that you are misleading and lying about your proof, and it has been since i got to this site.....your all about stating your opinion as fact


Once again i will address your language......it is different to banter back and forth, tryin to be a wise guy and insult the oposition whie trying to win a debate, but you have to resort to using language that is not fit for me to even type, if you cant see the difference then i feel sorry for you and hope that someday you will see the difference....but i hope it stops because i will report you over and over agin.....i will report anybody for the same reasons....so dont feel like i am only gunning for you only Its called the Internet, language gets used.

Grow up.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Do I know you "junior"?

Oh no I'm new, would rather be new than know jack shit about comics, like you.

Originally posted by Captain Angont
Oh no I'm new, would rather be new than know jack shit about comics, like you.

No one knows everything about comics, and I don't read about every character. I assure you that in a debate with me about someone I know about it, I will own you, "junior" blow

Junior again?

What makes you think I haven't been at this forum longer, the age of this account means nothing, trust me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit


Absolutely.

But when his opinion is a LIE concerning my name,
that entitlement comes with a price.


I'm riled up cause it's a LIE!

Not cause it's true. wtf.


I hate liars friend, with a passion.

But I hate trolls that lie far more.

And fangirl, you're now getting off-topic,
this doesn't concern you in the slightest,
so you might as well ignore it.

I'll respond to comic book/thread related material only here on out.

ok since you want to respond to comic stuff. show me a line that says the ig user becomes god UNDER the lt?

show me something that says that what happens in the malibu universe is reality in the marvel universe. you know how things change when they enter different universes right? so how come u are using what happened in the malibu universe to justify your theory? as please, don't put so many pictures up. that doesn't do anything but confuse the readers and it makes the question that you are answering get lost in the shuffle of the awe factor.

Originally posted by Captain Angont
Junior again?

What makes you think I haven't been at this forum longer, the age of this account means nothing, trust me.

So you must have been banned before. And seeing how you attacked me about not knowing anything, I see why. This thread is not about how much "I" know. If you never said anything to you me, I wouldn't respond back. Lets just stay on topic here.

Originally posted by fangirl101

ok since you want to respond to comic stuff.

show me a line that says the ig user becomes god UNDER the lt?
I don't have to show you that exact line,
just like I don't have to show you a line that states, "the Hulk can lift a truck."


Again:


If the IG makes you God On Panel, and according to Jim Starlin himself verifies,
and the LT On Panel was clearly above the IG, and his Bio certifies this ...

... uhh wait, is this picture really that blurred?

Originally posted by fangirl101

show me something that says that what happens in the malibu universe
is reality in the marvel universe.
I don't know anything about any "malibu universe"

I do know about the Marvel Universe.

And the Ultraverse is part the Marvel Universe's continuity.


The Ultraverse is a Universe located in another Multiverse withIN the Marvel Omniverse:

100% Canon!

======================================

(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)

............................................................................................

The Ultraverse is just another Marvel Universe Earth

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7915/ulti1kx8.th.jpg

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"

............................................................................................

(2008 Official Marvel Bio Updates - Glossary)

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7026/ulti2oi6.th.jpg

"Ultraverse:

Alternate Earth (Earth-93060)"

............................................................................................

Marvel.com again, certifying it's canonicity!

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

............................................................................................


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

=======================================

100%Canon!

Originally posted by fangirl101

you know how things change when they enter different universes right?
so how come u are using what happened in the malibu universe
to justify your theory?
I never mentioned any "malibu universe."

But I see where you're going.

Obviously this means,
you didn't know that the 616 Reality,
was an integral part of the Avengers/Ultraverse arc.

The 616 Reality was even obliterated in this arc, bet ya didn't know that either.

The 616 Reality was created over, and later restored.


ALL REALITIES (Omniverse) were about be destroyed in this arc.


All 100% Canon!

Originally posted by fangirl101

as please, don't put so many pictures up.
that doesn't do anything
but confuse the readers
and it makes the question that you are answering
get lost in the shuffle of the awe factor.
So why are you asking me to show things? hm

And I'm sorry friend, but that's how I debate or inform,
with the On Panel proof and supporting bio.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't have to show you that exact line,
just like I don't have to show you a line that states, "the Hulk can lift a truck."


Again:


If the IG makes you God On Panel, and according to Jim Starlin himself,
and the LT On Panel was clearly above the IG and his Bio certifies this ...

uhh, is this picture really that blurred?


I don't anything about any "malibu universe"

I do know about the Marvel Universe.

And the Ultraverse is part the Marvel Universe's continuity.


The Ultraverse is a Universe located in another Multiverse:

100% Canon!

======================================

(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)

............................................................................................

The Ultraverse is just another Marvel Universe Earth

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/331/41967599ew2.th.jpg

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"

............................................................................................


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

............................................................................................


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

=======================================

100%Canon!


I never mentioned any "malibu universe."

But I see where you're going.

Obviously this means,
you didn't know that the 616 Reality,
was an integral part of the Avengers/Ultraverse arc.

The 616 Reality was even obliterated in this arc, bet ya didn't know that either.

The 616 Reality was created over, and later restored.


ALL REALITIES (Omniverse) were about be destroyed in this arc.


All 100% Canon!


So why are you asking me to show things? hm

And I'm sorry friend, but that's how I debate or inform,
with the On Panel proof and supporting bio.

well i asked for not so many pictures becuz what you are saying in the pictures isn't what is on the pictures. it's your interpretation of the pictures. the bios u are using are conflicting and there for invalid. how can the ultraverse be another multiverse but then one bio says it's another marvel univese earth? clearly the cross over is cannon only unto itself. as you so kindly stated in another argument where it suited you to say so. marvel owns the company ultraverse, but the characters are owned by ultraverse. you know why? becuz it's a creator owned venue. meaning the creators keep thier rights to the characters. kinda like how dc owns wildstorm, but the creators still own the rights to the characters. thus wildstorm still owns the characters. the cross over is not cannon to marvel.

Originally posted by fangirl101

well i asked for not so many pictures
becuz what you are saying in the pictures isn't what is on the pictures.
it's your interpretation of the pictures.
As you wish.

Originally posted by fangirl101

the bios u are using are conflicting and there for invalid.

how can the ultraverse be another multiverse
but then one bio says it's another marvel univese earth?
You're confused cause you're not paying attention.

The Ultraverse is a Universe located in another Multiverse withIN the Marvel Omniverse.

All Earths of the Omniverse are designated (Earth - ###)

And there are Earths across the entire Omniverse!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

Originally posted by fangirl101

clearly the cross over is cannon only unto itself.

as you so kindly stated in another argument where it suited you to say so.
Right, even though it's reference across not only separate bios,
but On Panel as well in separate mainstream titles.

Even though,
Nemesis wreck havoc across BOTH Marvel MultiverseS simultaneously On Panel:

Nemesis was able to destroy the 616 Universe and the Ultraverse,
those are the Two Prime UniverseS of their respective MultiverseS. (specially 616)
and then,
she was able to remake a New Reality that was made from both:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4062/n1mf0.th.jpg

"What we have witnessed
and experience of TWO Universes (616/Ultraverse) must be undone!"

"in the blink of an eye the Being called Nemesis Obliterates Two Universes "
"not with destructive force,
but with a wave of creative energy,
thus Reality is not brought to the edge of apocalypse, but its very Origins"

.........................................................................................

Ultraverse/Avengers BIO - confirms the event was 100% Canon!

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity%20Gems

(Across Two MultiverseS)
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were sought by numerous other beings, including Count Abyss,
but were eventually taken by an energy vampire from an alternate-reality.

In that OTHER Multiverse,
they were collected by Loki but then reunited with a seventh gem, the Ego Gem,
the remnant of Nemesis' consciousness,
who wreaked havoc in BOTH Dimensions."

.........................................................................................

Originally posted by fangirl101

marvel owns the company ultraverse,
but the characters are owned by ultraverse.
you know why?
becuz it's a creator owned venue.
meaning the creators keep thier rights to the characters.
kinda like how dc owns wildstorm,
but the creators still own the rights to the characters.
thus wildstorm still owns the characters.
the cross over is not cannon to marvel.
You completely made this up.

I already presented all the evidence,
affirming the Ultraverse as a Canon reality withIN the Marvel Universe.

If you wanna spin it, by all means, do you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.


You're confused cause you're not paying attention.

The Ultraverse is a Universe located in another Multiverse withIN the Marvel Omniverse.

All Earths of the Omniverse are designated (Earth - ###)

And there are Earths across the entire Omniverse!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9108/omni2mt9.th.jpg

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"


Right, even though it's reference across not only separate bios,
but On Panel as well in separate mainstream titles.

Even though,
Nemesis wreck havoc across BOTH Marvel MultiverseS simultaneously On Panel:

Nemesis was able to destroy the 616 Universe and the Ultraverse,
those are the Two Prime UniverseS of their respective MultiverseS. (specially 616)
and then,
she was able to remake a New Reality that was made from both:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4062/n1mf0.th.jpg

"What we have witnessed
and experience of TWO Universes (616/Ultraverse) must be undone!"

"in the blink of an eye the Being called Nemesis Obliterates Two Universes "
"not with destructive force,
but with a wave of creative energy,
thus Reality is not brought to the edge of apocalypse, but its very Origins"

.........................................................................................

Ultraverse/Avengers BIO - confirms the event was 100% Canon!

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity%20Gems

(Across Two MultiverseS)
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were sought by numerous other beings, including Count Abyss,
but were eventually taken by an energy vampire from an alternate-reality.

In that OTHER Multiverse,
they were collected by Loki but then reunited with a seventh gem, the Ego Gem,
the remnant of Nemesis' consciousness,
who wreaked havoc in BOTH Dimensions."

.........................................................................................


You completely made this up.

I already presented all the evidence,
affirming the Ultraverse as a Canon reality withIN the Marvel Universe.

If you wanna spin it, by all means, do you.

i just love how you tell someone they completely made something up, when i clearly see you doing that by interpreting what you want on panel as fact. we do know that marvel has on occasion created exact copies of the 616 and called it 616 for sake of story. could this not be the case with the ultravese saga? time will tell when the ig appears again.

Originally posted by fangirl101
i just love how you tell someone they completely made something up, when i clearly see you doing that by interpreting what you want on panel as fact.

we do know that marvel has on occasion created exact copies of the 616
and called it 616 for sake of story.

could this not be the case with the ultravese saga? time will tell when the ig appears again.
Yep, it was only a matter of time before you cracked Nvrbee---

I mean, fangirl101. shifty


"copies of 616, called 616?" ... Busted!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yep, it was only a matter of time before you cracked Nvrbee---

I mean, fangirl101. shifty


"copies of 616, called 616?" ... Busted!

you lost me. marvel uses copies of stuff all the time. like in the jla avengers. that wasn't the marvel universe. that was a copy of it.

Originally posted by fangirl101

you lost me.
marvel uses copies of stuff all the time.
like in the jla avengers.
that wasn't the marvel universe. that was a copy of it.
That was never called 616,
616 was never presented,
that was never referenced in any other mainstream title,
that didn't and couldn't affect other realities withIN Marvel,
and the reality they were in isn't categorized anywhere,
and finally,
616 isn't referred to anywhere, in any bio concerning that garbage cross-over.


Unlike the Ultraverse/Avengers,
Earth 616 is mentioned,
Earth 616 is presented,
Ultraforce/Avengers arc is referenced in mainstream Marvel titles,
in fact,
the entire Ultraforce/Avengers arc originated in a Silver Surfer issue,
Ultraforce/Avengers arc ended up affecting Marvel realities across TWO MultiverseS
and was ultimately going to destroy All Realities,
and finally the Reality the arc shared (Earth-93060 ... and 616 of course)
is also noted in TWO Marvel Handbooks.

And the entire affair is explained in depth across TWO official website Bios:
(Marvel.com and Marvunapp)

Silence cat or dog or whatever animal you refer to most.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hold on,
so you seriously didn't know that Aspects of Eternity are single Universes?

We've been through this before dogs, come on.


Meh, anyways,

an Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5282/as1za9.th.jpg

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an aspect of all Eternity


(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8587/as2qa1.th.jpg

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"
Um Eternity is the multiverse, EVERYTHING is an aspect of him since everything is part of the multiverse.

I just can't decide

Originally posted by King Kandy

Um Eternity is the multiverse,
EVERYTHING is an aspect of him since everything is part of the multiverse.
???

Um, you asked:
Originally posted by King Kandy

Hold on, where do they say that the one aspect is a universe?
I posted the scans, you just re-posted the scans,
where Eternity refers to a SINGLE Universe as an ASPECT of his Totality!



I don't know why you even came back with "everything is an aspect of eternity,"
that's inconsequential and I disagree with it anyway.

"Everything" does NOT represent Eternity,
but Eternity, represents "everything." (big difference)

The ONLY other existence that represents Eternity,
are his ASPECTS. (entire single universes)

(as on panel proof defines)