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Nova:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_%28comics%29#Powers_and_abilities

vs

Superman

No bio needed but what the heck:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Richard?

Has been done.

Nova has a decent showing, but ultimately loses a majority against Supes.

Superman 8/10

supes

Nova's high herald level now, correct? I mean, I don't think it's ever been stated on panel but Annihilus was hella powerful, talking shit to The Mad Titan, treating herald level characters like trash etc. Hell, he even had herald-level concubines lol...I know ABC logic doesn't always work but I see him going 50/50 with Supes right now and possibly winning an overwelming majority with a few more years to master the full nova force...

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
Nova's high herald level now, correct? I mean, I don't think it's ever been stated on panel but Annihilus was hella powerful, talking shit to The Mad Titan, treating herald level characters like trash etc. Hell, he even had herald-level concubines lol...I know ABC logic doesn't always work but I see him going 50/50 with Supes right now and possibly winning an overwelming majority with a few more years to master the full nova force...

IMO, Nova with the Full force is below herald level, or perhaps lower herald level. He repeatedly stated during Annihilation how the heralds were the only ones who could match the power of Ravenous, the heralds were the biggest guns in the united front, etc. etc. In Nova 12, he fought a fully mature technarch, with the worldmind stating that even if he had no transmode virus and 100% power output and use of the full force, he still couldn't defeat that 1 full-grown technarch. On the other side of the coin we have heralds nonchalantly destroying entire planets (Terrax, SS)

Annihilus' queens I wouldn't call herald level....Firelord took on a huge, massive fleet with Red Shift and Stardust, stormed the flag ship by himself, overcame all resistance, and still apprehended the queen.

Nova only beat annihilus due to galactus' blast weakening annihilus to a degree, and phyla vel taking the quantum bands for herself. only after those two incidents did Nova defeat annihilus, and nova was *still* getting his ass kicked.

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
Nova's high herald level now, correct? I mean, I don't think it's ever been stated on panel but Annihilus was hella powerful, talking shit to The Mad Titan, treating herald level characters like trash etc. Hell, he even had herald-level concubines lol...I know ABC logic doesn't always work but I see him going 50/50 with Supes right now and possibly winning an overwelming majority with a few more years to master the full nova force... He had to have help and Annil was weakened when he beat him....

Don't remember that?

Superman for the win

Originally posted by Tenebrous
IMO, Nova with the Full force is below herald level, or perhaps lower herald level. He repeatedly stated during Annihilation how the heralds were the only ones who could match the power of Ravenous, the heralds were the biggest guns in the united front, etc. etc. In Nova 12, he fought a fully mature technarch, with the worldmind stating that even if he had no transmode virus and 100% power output and use of the full force, he still couldn't defeat that 1 full-grown technarch. On the other side of the coin we have heralds nonchalantly destroying entire planets (Terrax, SS)

Annihilus' queens I wouldn't call herald level....Firelord took on a huge, massive fleet with Red Shift and Stardust, stormed the flag ship by himself, overcame all resistance, and still apprehended the queen.

Nova only beat annihilus due to galactus' blast weakening annihilus to a degree, and phyla vel taking the quantum bands for herself. only after those two incidents did Nova defeat annihilus, and nova was *still* getting his ass kicked.

Haven't had a chance to read the post-Annihilation stuff, so I must concede your points on the Nova Force not being as powerul as I'd previously thought.

Firelord's apprehending of the queen left him comatose if I remember correctly, which implies to me she was hereld level herself. It wouldn't have taken so much outta him to apprehend Spiderman...bad example, but you get my drift.

And while I agree with everything you said in regard to Annihilus power level when Nova defeated him, he still bitched Wendall and TOOK the Quantum Bands for himself. That in itself puts him at high-herald level, IMO. With a few years practice, he'd defeat Supes the majority of the time.

he never beat him head on.

Annil stole the bands, I am not sure if that was a real victory. But Annil lost to Nova with the bands stolen and weakened by what can assume quite a bit.

So ONLY after that was Nova able to get a win, how the hell does that work out??

Nova loses. Please God.

Originally posted by Captain Angont
he never beat him head on.

Annil stole the bands, I am not sure if that was a real victory. But Annil lost to Nova with the bands stolen and weakened by what can assume quite a bit.

So ONLY after that was Nova able to get a win, how the hell does that work out??

Nova loses. Please God.

Gotta go back and re-read the books. My memory can't be that bad on the fight.

Also, I'm not sure how the hell you "steal" cosmicly attached bands off someone's wrists. Where I'm from, he took em. G'd em actually.

annihilus absorbed the qauntum energy from the bands which allowed him to gain the bands

Originally posted by Nihilist
annihilus absorbed the qauntum energy from the bands which allowed him to gain the bands

Thanks...I didn't really wanna go digging...I think that counts for a high-herald level feat...Supes loses. Please God.

Let's see how Nova does against the Surfer.

Then I'll answer this thread.

Originally posted by Darth Creasy
Thanks...I didn't really wanna go digging...I think that counts for a high-herald level feat...Supes loses. Please God. Fine he done that.

But your still ignoring the fact that Nova couldn't beat him without getting hit by a Galactus blast or something, having the bands stolen and being attacked by the new Quasar, then and only then did he win, and he fell down unconscious. How ****ing stupid are you??

Nova! he doesn't have the confidence but he easily has the power! plus he has worldmind! plus all supes can do is punch him really hard and maybe give him some heat! as far as i am concerned nova is in a whole nother level! plus he is much much faster! so he got beat of the surfer! supes would get completely destroyed by the surfer!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Soljer
Let's see how Nova does against the Surfer.

Then I'll answer this thread. heh.

i dont see nova taking this somehow.

Originally posted by carnage52
i dont see nova taking this somehow.

me neither. He got the power to get a 10/10 from superman in a hard fight but he just isnt experienced enough and thats where superman would gain his victory. Hes young and immature and with that said I give this to superman 7/10.

If nova was a focused character and well developed at his power I would give him a high majority 9/10, to bad he isnt.

now powerful is Nova, potentially?

I wasn't too impressed with his contributions in Annihilation, nor with his recent fight with Surfer, so I'm still wondering at that...

Originally posted by carver9
me neither. He got the power to get a 10/10 from superman in a hard fight Sandwich?

Also, Nova wins... this just proves how powerful Surfer is though...

Originally posted by Soljer
Let's see how Nova does against the Surfer.

Then I'll answer this thread.

Haha.

Big heart LULZ to the idea of Nova being a high herald.

Originally posted by janus77
now powerful is Nova, potentially?

I wasn't too impressed with his contributions in Annihilation, nor with his recent fight with Surfer, so I'm still wondering at that...

Manipulate the gravity and hold a character, he was also weakened when he did this feat.
http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp021tq0.jpg

He was at 17% of his power and survives the Rip, the edge of space where all matter and energy is torn apart:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip1.jpg

He travels through a neutron star, and creates a wormhole to get out of the galaxy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_027.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_028.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

If the phalanx is powered by the nova force they would become unstoppable.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaunstoppable.jpg

Nova completely owns drax, a heavy hitter and does it easily.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0011.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0013.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0015.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0016.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0019.jpg

You like to use the word blitz, well hear ya go.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed3.jpg

Nova easily taking out high rank space cruisers.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0vb1.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0yb3.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0hd8.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0si1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0oi1.jpg

Hurting annihilus
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page2lw4.jpg


Got some more, wait.

Originally posted by carver9
Manipulate the gravity and hold a character, he was also weakened when he did this feat.
http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp021tq0.jpg



Hurting annihilus
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page2lw4.jpg


Got some more, wait. Mighty gravity manipulation, and it's treachery against Supes!


Heh... cheapshot full power uppercut... I should expect it to at least irritate him.

Why don't you just link to the respect thread?

Defeats venom, something superman couldnt do and is ranked as a class 12 threat while sentry is ranked as 11 and doctor strange 10. shifty
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/?action=view&current=novavsthunderbolts2.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/?action=view&current=novavsthunderbolts3.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/?action=view&current=novavsthunderbolts4.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/?action=view&current=novavsthunderbolts5.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/?action=view&current=novavsthunderbolts5.jpg

Nova has the power to cripple the phalanx.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novacripplephalanx.jpg

Nova traveling faster then light (even though its in space where the is no gravity to weigh your flight down, its still impressive.)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed1.jpg

Nova travels from Earth to Hala in 12 minutes. Hala is in the Large Magellanic cloud, so an estimate of his speed would be somewhere around 7.43 trillion times lightspeed
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed.jpg


One hit a ship that is the size of about two mountains and destroy it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/Annihilation018.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Mighty gravity manipulation, and it's treachery against Supes!


Heh... cheapshot full power uppercut... I should expect it to at least irritate him.

Why don't you just link to the respect thread?

Make good sense, just thought that I would be friendly and bring it to you all.



Answer this for me, how much stonger do you think that batman with the black rock was over nova? Do you even think that black rock batman is stronger than richard rider.

Originally posted by carver9
Defeats venom, something superman couldnt do and is ranked as a class 12 threat while sentry is ranked as 11 and doctor strange 10. shifty


I find it funny how you put shifty eyes on him being above Sentry/Strange, but not on Venom vs Superman. The non canon part was left out.

And beating Venom is not a good feat for the level you're arguing on...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist


I find it funny how you put shifty eyes on him being above Sentry/Strange, but not on Venom vs Superman. The non canon part was left out.

And beating Venom is not a good feat for the level you're arguing on...

Superman>>venom, I used the shifty eyes because I was joking. I know its non cannon and I know that superman could have ended venom with a mere heat blast.

I guess I used the wrong smiley face. Should this have been the one I used.

Originally posted by carver9
Manipulate the gravity and hold a character, he was also weakened when he did this feat.
http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp021tq0.jpg

He was at 17% of his power and survives the Rip, the edge of space where all matter and energy is torn apart:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novarip1.jpg

He travels through a neutron star, and creates a wormhole to get out of the galaxy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_025.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_027.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_028.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_031.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Nova_7_032.jpg

If the phalanx is powered by the nova force they would become unstoppable.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaunstoppable.jpg

Nova completely owns drax, a heavy hitter and does it easily.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0011.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0013.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0015.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0016.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/Nova_6_DCP_0019.jpg

You like to use the word blitz, well hear ya go.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed3.jpg

Nova easily taking out high rank space cruisers.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0vb1.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0yb3.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0hd8.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0si1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page0oi1.jpg

Hurting annihilus
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihalationnova04page2lw4.jpg


Got some more, wait.
great scans. some really awesome artwork too... might have to read some Nova sometime.

he's a powerful character no doubt, I was just thinking of whether or not I'd place him up there in the "high herald" tier, that was all.

I think the Worldmind thing even places itself significantly below Surfer, some of the in-battle dialogue between Rider and the WM was seriously funny... the glaring pessimism of the WM versus the ballsout recklessness of Rider

Originally posted by janus77
great scans. some really awesome artwork too... might have to read some Nova sometime.

he's a powerful character no doubt, I was just thinking of whether or not I'd place him up there in the "high herald" tier, that was all.

I think the Worldmind thing even places itself significantly below Surfer, some of the in-battle dialogue between Rider and the WM was seriously funny... the glaring pessimism of the WM versus the ballsout recklessness of Rider

Naah I wouldnt place him in high herald, hell I dont even place superman in high herald. Sufer powers>>>>both superman and nova.

Surfer overrall is just to da** powerful.

yea surfer made the high herald ranking a little harder to reach

Superman I love Nova but Superman would beat him.........

I'm convinced.... Superman wins this, and easily.

Nova should be mid herald level Heck IMO supes is also mid level herald. NOva loses this match though.

Battle hardened Supes wins!!

Nova stands no chance, especially if he is facing a bloodlusted Supes.
No way is he stopping someone who speedblitz as fast as light.

supes would crush nova,just like surfer could have if he'wanted too.

Superman 8/10, nova need to get more experience with his new powers to face someone like superman. Hes to immature and shows to much fear against powerful opponents.