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Sure, Malak is from diff time with other three, but oh well.

ROTS Obi-wan and ROTS Mace Windu vs. ROTS Grievous and Bane.

No Force push or anything. Clearly lightsaber dueling

I see Obi-Wan and Mace winning after a tough fight. While I'm personally of the opinion that Mace can defeat Bane in a pure lightsaber duel, it'll be a long match- but that won't matter, considering Obi-Wan was already capable of defeating Grievous in a relatively short period of time. Bane is curbstomped against both Mace and Obi-Wan.

Same applies the other way; while Obi-Wan will have an extremely difficult time of it, he's certainly capable of holding his own against Bane for the necessary time for Mace to defeat Grievous. Double team against Bane, and same result as above.

I concur.

yep, we have 2 insurmountable swordsmanship advantages here

obi wan with his "blocks 20 strokes per second" reflexes can definitely hold off bane if not defeat him. because basically bane fights like anakin but with a diffrent sword form but same aggression tactics.

however bane is less physically powerful than anakin so in summary obi wan should do better against bane than he did against anakin in strict lightsaber combat.


mace has vaapad which is unknown to grevous and therefore wont give him enough time to learn it before he is cubed

In Labrynth of Evil, doesn't Grievous synthesize a "form" of vapaad close enough to challenge Mace?

Even so, the Jedi take this

Originally posted by Jbill311
In Labrynth of Evil, doesn't Grievous synthesize a "form" of vapaad close enough to challenge Mace?

Even so, the Jedi take this

i think so but even if he did, it was quasi vapaad and not vaapad itself because to use vaapad one has to be able to use the force for the superconducting loop etc. but yea

Yeah, Grievous challenged Mace in swordsmanship. That doesn't, however, indicate that Mace won't be capable of defeating Grievous (after a relatively tough fight) while Obi-Wan is still holding off Bane.

And Bane is far physically stronger than Anakin, Grievous knows all seven 'normal' forms of combat and can copy fighting techniques from people he sees. Anakin is capable of harnessing the force in a lightsaber duel ("In teh zone!!!11!!" in ways that Bane can't; his natural physical strength is considerably lesser than Bane's.

Mace will still take grievous, but he would have to contend with a fighting style copied from his own. I hope that nobody thought that I endorsed a situation with the general beating mace.