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Yoda
Mace Windu
Kit Fisto
Obi Wan
Shaak Ti
Aalya Secura

vs

Luke
Kyle
Saba
Mara
Octa Ramis
Corran Horn

All characters are at their respective peaks. Setting is an open field. Who takes it?

Prequels.

The PT team.

Luke will be busy handling Yoda and Windu

Kyle can probably take Fisto

Obi wan would crush Saba

and Ti could beat Octa and help Aayla kill Corran

NJO.

Why no Durron or Jaina though? I thought they were like the no 2 and 3 Jedi of the era?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why no Durron or Jaina though? I thought they were like the no 2 and 3 Jedi of the era?

I tried to take into account that Luke was the best here and most threads with Luke in usually have him winning because, well, it's Luke. I tried to give the overall edge to the PT to counter that

Prequel team.

Octa Ramis? Odd choice. While on the council and showing good force abilities (TK and force speed), and reportedly fairly skilled, she's been in very little on-page combat (not counting her piloting, which was excellent. And she off-page was heavily involved in fighting Vong and was part of Kyp's proactive faction). Heck, when a group of masters decided to do a free-for-all spar (NJO, gotta love 'em), she decided her feelings weren't in check enough so she sat on the sidelines and TKed around a bunch of rocks to up the challenge for everyone else.


Kam Solusar would make more sense, even if one desired to avoid Kyp or non-Luke Skywalkers, but we really don't have enough ground combat info on her.

Isn't there similarly little in the way of Aayla's feats?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Isn't there similarly little in the way of Aayla's feats?
She beat Aurra Sing in duel.

Ok?

Originally posted by Q99
Octa Ramis? Odd choice. While on the council and showing good force abilities (TK and force speed), and reportedly fairly skilled, she's been in very little on-page combat (not counting her piloting, which was excellent. And she off-page was heavily involved in fighting Vong and was part of Kyp's proactive faction). Heck, when a group of masters decided to do a free-for-all spar (NJO, gotta love 'em), she decided her feelings weren't in check enough so she sat on the sidelines and TKed around a bunch of rocks to up the challenge for everyone else.


Kam Solusar would make more sense, even if one desired to avoid Kyp or non-Luke Skywalkers, but we really don't have enough ground combat info on her. would u happen to know off hand which book the masters sparred in?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Isn't there similarly little in the way of Aayla's feats?

Aayla was a major character in the Clone War comics for awhile, so she's been in a number of on-page fights.

Sing has been mentioned. She helped Luminara against Ventress once. She killed the Morgukai warrior Bok armed with cortosis (Morgukai *are* good enough to be a threat to Jedi, and she beat him in HtH. Dooku had enough respect for Bok's capabilities that he tried making his own Clone Army for use again the Jedi, using Bok has the baseline).


Basically we have enough to judge Aayla's level fairly well. Probably sub-council level, but not by much. Maybe even low-council.


Octa's a great pilot and from what little we've seen is quite competent personally, but we've yet to actually see her pair off against anyone we know.

Which is why I mentioned Kam Solusar- he only has a few onpage duels, but still enough to judge.

Interesting figth.

Yoda < Luke
Mace > Kyle
Kit Fisto > Saba
Obi Wan > Mara (but might be a bit closer than I think, hmm)
Shaak Ti >> Octa
Aalya Secura < Corran (maybe)

Edge, team prequel

Saba is likely better than Fisto imo.

Really, her feats?

As I recall she's the NJO Grandmaster atm. She's one of the best duelists of the NJO which has exceptional duelists on the whole, as well as extremely physically powerful. The swtor forums have been talking about her a lot lately, so I guess I can look there for more if thats not convincing.

None of that makes her more powerful than Fisto in terms of feats

That's cool, I just didn't remember any of her abilities that impressed me. Seems more interesting that I thought, though.

Jacen also feared Saba's abilities, stating that she'd be difficult for him to overcome in combat and worried that she'd see through his obfuscation with Force Sense and sense that he'd become a Sith. That plus her being a Grandmaster based on her combat abilities makes me think she's above Fisto.

She also wrecked Kenth while holding back and not wanting to kill him, too. I know Kenth isn't exactly a world beater but still an impressive showing.

Not sure... Good match, though.

Originally posted by Stigma
Really, her feats? she probably has some of the best pain resistance in the whole mythos. Up there with caedus and other sith who feed off pain. In her fight with welk she got her head tk'ed into a wall almost knocking her out, got half a meter of her tail cut off, got blasted with lightning strong enough to paralyze her, had a big enough piece of her skull sliced off that she thought her brains were falling out-"Something spongey and warm landed on her shoulder beneath her head wound. She hoped it wasnt her brains". Then got tk'ed into a wall again, then was hit in her head wound with a rock, then got bitten by a venomos killik and had half her face melted with its acid and when she killed it it exploded and took off two of her fingers, then got bitten by another poisonous killik and was not only still going but thru it all she put a whoopin on him bad enough to make him run away from her.

She also showed she can block lightning with her saber, was shown to be extremely skilled at combining mele with saber skills, and was able to incorporate force attacks with her saber fighting.-"saba kicked a fist sized stone off the floor, then used the force to hurl it at his head and followed it in with a cut at his knees".

A little while ago i ranked her as a mid level master amongst the njo masters. I think i may have to reconsider my position and bump her up.

Doubtful.



Probably, but I'm sure this can be called into question.



No idea why Octa is even in a fight like this.



Yeah.



Probably, yeah.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No idea why Octa is even in a fight like this.

Yes, I should have used someone else

Originally posted by Raptor22
would u happen to know off hand which book the masters sparred in?

It's from the novel "Legacy of the Force: Fury."

One of my favourite novels, incidentally.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I recall she's the NJO Grandmaster atm. She's one of the best duelists of the NJO which has exceptional duelists on the whole, as well as extremely physically powerful. The swtor forums have been talking about her a lot lately, so I guess I can look there for more if thats not convincing.

Lol Zym was grandmaster. Unfortunately that isn't much of an accolade anymore power wise.

Being the Grandmaster of the NJO means something though. Since she got the title by beating her competition in a duel.

Originally posted by Raptor22
she probably has some of the best pain resistance in the whole mythos. Up there with caedus and other sith who feed off pain. In her fight with welk she got her head tk'ed into a wall almost knocking her out, got half a meter of her tail cut off, got blasted with lightning strong enough to paralyze her, had a big enough piece of her skull sliced off that she thought her brains were falling out-"Something spongey and warm landed on her shoulder beneath her head wound. She hoped it wasnt her brains". Then got tk'ed into a wall again, then was hit in her head wound with a rock, then got bitten by a venomos killik and had half her face melted with its acid and when she killed it it exploded and took off two of her fingers, then got bitten by another poisonous killik and was not only still going but thru it all she put a whoopin on him bad enough to make him run away from her.


Welk, btw, was a One Sith Lord enhanced by the Dark Nest and had the advantage of surprise going into that fight. He managed to wound her there, but he got the worst of it, losing an arm and an eye! Then after she was wounded, he sicked a bunch of Kiliks on her... who she of course killed. And she later commented on how it was the best 'hunt' she ever had!



Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol Zym was grandmaster. Unfortunately that isn't much of an accolade anymore power wise.

He and Hamner are the only weak Grandmasters I know of.



The Jedi council was pushing for someone strong to replace Kenth, and her and Horn were their two candidates.

I view her in the same general tier as Horn/Kyle/Mara (that is to say, High Council tier to put it in more general terms).

Originally posted by carthage
None of that makes her more powerful than Fisto in terms of feats
Did you totally forget that she fought Abeloth and defeated her?

Compare it to Fisto getting casually killed by Sidious who is below Abeloth and was busy fighting Windu at the same time.

Yea, the Abeloth thing.

TBF though, Tahiri and Boba Fett killed an Abeloth body too....

Saba was also the Jedi tapped to be Leia's teacher. Sparred evenly with Corran Horn, Ben Skywalker called her swordwork brilliant...