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Instead of sending Kenobi to destroy Anakin, Yoda decides to team up on the dark lord of the sith first and deal with the apprentice later.

Same setting

Split between Yoda and Sidious, Kenobi is a non-factor

It would end the same way every time? Sidious woud, take out Obi then the two would stalemate.

Obi-Wan gets ragdolled immediately. Yoda loses.

Originally posted by McP
Split between Yoda and Sidious, Kenobi is a non-factor

Originally posted by McP
Split between Yoda and Sidious, Kenobi is a non-factor

Yeah it would probably go the same way it went in the ritual sequence in TCW with Anakin instead of Kenobi.

I think Yoda wins. Unlike Windu, I think he'd be able to capitalize on Sidious spending a second to off Kenobi.

Sidious

"To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough you are not"

- Yoda to Obi-Wan

That about sums it up.

Yeah, Kenobi's presence is irrelevant here.

To be fair though, that quote is in response to Kenobi requesting that Yoda send him to kill the Emperor instead, likely meaning alone.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I think Yoda wins. Unlike Windu, I think he'd be able to capitalize on Sidious spending a second to off Kenobi.


Agreed.

If 3 Masters being blitzed changes the fight to favor Windu, then Sidious doesn't want any distraction at all against Yoda. None at all.

Also not buying this 1 second blitz thing when Yoda's in the room.

On the other hand if Yoda gets distracted with Saving Kenobi (like in his dream fight against Sidious with Anakin on side), then that would give Sidious the fight for sure.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I think Yoda wins. Unlike Windu, I think he'd be able to capitalize on Sidious spending a second to off Kenobi. Windu beat Sheev unlike Yoda the failure guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu beat Sheev unlike Yoda the failure guy.


Both canonically disarmed him actually. If anything Yoda proved just how not vulnerable saberless Sidious is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu beat Sheev unlike Yoda the failure guy.


Yoda didn't need help to engage Sheev.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Both canonically disarmed him actually. If anything Yoda proved just how not vulnerable saberless Sidious is. Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yoda didn't need help to engage Sheev.

Don't, just don't engage him lol

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Don't, just don't engage him lol


Would have thought I would have learned by now Lol

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Don't, just don't engage him lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would have thought I would have learned by now Lol

Yes Quan thinks that yoda is a failure when he didn't need an amp to fight Sidious no all he needed was his own power and he was able to stalemate him just fine. While neither one would ever be able to take down the other as of ROTS they would make close match ups.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes Quan thinks
Nah.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Both canonically disarmed him actually. If anything Yoda proved just how not vulnerable saberless Sidious is. That makes it even worse since he was unable to beat him today.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yoda didn't need help to engage Sheev. Considering he lost most certainly needed a little help.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nah.

This is true I messed up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Considering he lost most certainly needed a little help.


Really? Looked like a Stalemate to me. But a stalemate wasn't good enough to overthrow Palpatine as Emperor. Only in that sense did Yoda fail.

Try more Context and less Trolling.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Really? Looked like a Stalemate to me. But a stalemate wasn't good enough to overthrow Palpatine as Emperor. Only in that sense did Yoda fail.

Try more Context and less Trolling.

Team wins in my opinion as long as kenobi hangs back and lets yoda engage palpatine at the start. If kenobi can avoid his initial onslaught and pick his spots while palpatine is tied up with yoda the team has a very good chance.

https://youtu.be/MnXGNsfq8KU

We have all been trolled

Really. Here is 100% fact of the yoda vs Sidious fight. Sidious and yoda are equals. Neither one was able to successfully overcome the other with ther force powers.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Really. Here is 100% fact of the yoda vs Sidious fight. Sidious and yoda are equals. Neither one was able to successfully overcome the other with ther force powers.

Ultimate Star Wars confirms that Yoda was "outmatched" against Sidious.

Originally posted by ILS
Ultimate Star Wars confirms that Yoda was "outmatched" against Sidious.


Didn't see that in the film though. Not in terms of the direct combat at least.

Even if Yoda was ultimately outmatched in that fight, it does not preculde the fact that the two of them are practically equals.

Sidious might very well have just "won" one of his 5/10 split.

This would be consistent with the general portrayal of Yoda and Sidious tbh.

"Outmatched, Yoda retreats and waits to train a new champion to lead the fight against evil."

"Though Yoda is a tough combatant, the Emperor uses his Sith powers to release lightning bolts and hurl floating platforms at his foe. Ultimately the battle proves too much for Yoda, who barely escapes and is whisked away to safety by Senator Bail Organa."

"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."

Ultimate Star Wars, pages 52-53, Yoda's entry.

Not seeing much room for debate here. It's a canon, out of universe source, authority that transcends even that of the all-knowing Filoni.

If your argument is that you're now going to neglect sources like this in favour of looking solely at the movie, then proceed also to stop debating any form of Star Wars media outside of just the movies, otherwise you'd be presenting yourself as a selective hypocrite.

I assume it was directed at DP, you uncivilized scum.

Both, aside from the last sentence which is directed at DP specifically.

I see.

My wrath is quenched but beware of DP's vengence.

Originally posted by Stigma
I assume it was directed at DP, you uncivilized scum.

That sounds familiar.

Originally posted by Sinious
That sounds familiar.
Que?

Originally posted by ILS
"Outmatched, Yoda retreats and waits to train a new champion to lead the fight against evil."

Already addressed, but I like your persistence in repeating the same quotes.



Originally posted by ILS
"Though Yoda is a tough combatant, the Emperor uses his Sith powers to release lightning bolts and hurl floating platforms at his foe. Ultimately the battle proves too much for Yoda, who barely escapes and is whisked away to safety by Senator Bail Organa."

The battle was too much for Yoda. But it's not like Sidious was having a field day either.


Originally posted by ILS
"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."

Ultimate Star Wars, pages 52-53, Yoda's entry.


Again he did lose. Because a stalemate was a loss for Yoda.

You're a bit slow at getting the point aren't you.






Originally posted by ILS
Not seeing much room for debate here.

Of course you're not.


Originally posted by ILS
It's a canon, out of universe source, authority that transcends even that of the all-knowing Filoni.


Is it more Canon than the films?




Originally posted by ILS
If your argument is that you're now going to neglect sources like this in favour of looking solely at the movie, then proceed also to stop debating any form of Star Wars media outside of just the movies,


I'm sure you'd love that. But I'll always be here to put people like you in their place.



Originally posted by ILS
otherwise you'd be presenting yourself as a selective hypocrite.


Yeah sure. Anyone who doesn't agree with you in a SW Debate should either stop debating or is clearly a hypocrite.

So are you going to actually show me the part of the actual combat where Yoda was "Outmatched?" Or are you just going to hide behind semantics your whole life?

I'm enjoying your lack of an argument, DP. Sidious came out the victor; he "outmatched" Yoda, in spite of Yoda being a "tough combatant" (evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text), and Yoda only barely escapes with his life. In contrast Sidious stood atop his throne of senate pods cackling in triumph with his life nowhere close to being in danger, with escape not even entering his thoughts or being referenced in the given text.

If that sounds like a stalemate to you I suggest having your head examined at the nearest possible opportunity.
I'm enjoying the ad hominem also, mostly because of the added irony that the one dishing out the unprovoked insults himself generally presents himself as being as slow and cumbersome as the avatar his profile revolves around. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2788772255.gif
It's as canon as the films to my knowledge, unless there's some kind of canon tiering system Disney has put in place that I'm unaware of? It also doesn't contradict the films, but merely points out explicit details that fellows such as yourself may not have sussed out by yourself.
Awfully noble of you. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to ignore a canonical sourcebook such as Ultimate, and look solely at the movies for your analysis, then, it's only logical that should another thread appear featuring a movie character, that you would only take into account their movie showings and disregard everything else, as you've done here, in order to remain consistent to your thought process and not selectively look at content. I'll be keeping a close eye, DP. Don't let me catch you drawing from any non-movie sources.

Although that's also bearing in mind that to only look at one canonical source and not another is essentially your way of ignoring evidence, being selective, and limiting your scope on the matter. But, what you want to regard as canon can be up to the individual, so I'm only really questioning your own thought process opposed to what Disney lines out for the rest of us.

"Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have."

I don't think there's anything left to debate here, personally. Yoda runs away from the fight and the newest, canon supplementary source echoes that Sidious won the fight, outmatched Yoda, and that Yoda only barely escaped with his life. To argue otherwise, that Yoda is either Sidious' equal or superior, is sheer retardation on your part, to put it bluntly.

Originally posted by ILS
I'm enjoying your lack of an argument, DP. Sidious came out the victor; he "outmatched" Yoda, in spite of Yoda being a "tough combatant" (evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text), and Yoda only barely escapes with his life. In contrast Sidious stood atop his throne of senate pods cackling in triumph with his life nowhere close to being in danger, with escape not even entering his thoughts or being referenced in the given text.


My lack of argument? All you're proving is your lack of attention since you've still failed to grasp the point I'm making.

Yes Sidious came out the Victor, BECAUSE a stalemate was a victory for him. CONTEXT. Try it sometime. Or show me which part of the combat Sidious won, because in the multiple times I've seen that fight, I must have completely missed that part.

"Outmatched" I've explained. You see now you're putting your own Spin on the text by saying "evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text". Because the Text does not say that. That's why I'm here to call you out on your Bull.

And LMAO with Yoda barely escaping with his life. So what you think Sidious's life was never in danger?

Escape didn't enter Sidious's thought (apart from the beginning when he in fact did try to escape), but chasing Yoda wasn't exactly a priority for him either. In fact he ordered his troops to chase Yoda.


Again Context is a wonderful thing.



Originally posted by ILS
If that sounds like a stalemate to you I suggest having your head examined at the nearest possible opportunity.


facepalm

At least TRY and Comprehend my points.

A stalemate WAS a Victory for him. Yoda's mission was to overthrow Sidious as Emperor. Stalemating was not an option for Yoda, whilst Stalemating would keep the guy who tried to run away at the beginning, very happy indeed.

Originally posted by ILS
I'm enjoying the ad hominem also, mostly because of the added irony that the one dishing out the unprovoked insults himself generally presents himself as being as slow and cumbersome as the avatar his profile revolves around.


Unprovoked Insults? Are you High? This from the guy who came barging in here calling me a Hypocrite and having the nerve to tell me to stop debating here COMPLETELY Unprovoked?



Originally posted by ILS
It's as canon as the films to my knowledge, unless there's some kind of canon tiering system Disney has put in place that I'm unaware of? It also doesn't contradict the films, but merely points out explicit details that fellows such as yourself may not have sussed out by yourself.

No where does it say in any of those quotes that Sidious was the outright superior combatant to Yoda. Either in Sabers or TK.

The fact that Yoda already stated that he failed in the film make all your quotes pretty pointless.


Originally posted by ILS
I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to ignore a canonical sourcebook such as Ultimate, and look solely at the movies for your analysis, then, it's only logical that should another thread appear featuring a movie character, that you would only take into account their movie showings and disregard everything else, as you've done here, in order to remain consistent to your thought process and not selectively look at content. I'll be keeping a close eye, DP. Don't let me catch you drawing from any non-movie sources.


Again where have I said I'm going to IGNORE ALL SOURCEBOOKS.

You really are grasping here. You like Tempest are clearly having nightmares about me. So much so, that I hardly even show up here nowadays, yet you're still begging me to leave




Originally posted by ILS
Although that's also bearing in mind that to only look at one canonical source and not another is essentially your way of ignoring evidence, being selective, and limiting your scope on the matter. But, what you want to regard as canon can be up to the individual, so I'm only really questioning your own thought process opposed to what Disney lines out for the rest of us.


Oh really? I'm being selective? This from the guy whose yet to show me the part of the film where Sidious clearly outmatched Yoda in direct combat, and instead has to draw up his own conclusions from sourcebooks and use that as all the evidence he needs (when it backs his argument of course).




Originally posted by ILS
I don't think there's anything left to debate here, personally.


Of course there's not. Anyone whose going to claim that either Yoda or Sidious are clearly superior to the other is grasping at straws.


Originally posted by ILS
Yoda runs away from the fight

And Sidious was pursuing Yoda to continue the fight at which point again?

Was Yoda just supposed to hang around there like Sidious was. In the Senate Room of the New Empire?

Do you even think about your own arguments these days?


Originally posted by ILS
and the newest, canon supplementary source echoes that Sidious won the fight,

It said he won the actual direct combat?




Originally posted by ILS
outmatched Yoda,


It said he outmatched Yoda in Direct Combat?


Originally posted by ILS
and that Yoda only barely escaped with his life.


And what Sidious didn't come close to Dying himself in that last Force fight?


Originally posted by ILS
sheer retardation on your part, to put it bluntly.



Ah yes, clearly I'm the one throwing out the Unprovoked insults.

I suggest you actually look up the term Hypocrite before you throw it out at other people.

Oh and this:


Originally posted by Stigma
Even if Yoda was ultimately outmatched in that fight, it does not preculde the fact that the two of them are practically equals.

Sidious might very well have just "won" one of his 5/10 split.

This would be consistent with the general portrayal of Yoda and Sidious tbh.





Anyone whose going to argue that there was any more than a "slight" difference in power/combat prowess between Yoda and Sidious in that fight is clearly grasping at straws.

If Sidious was the clear superior and was just fine after their fight he would have chased "the fleeing Yoda escaping with his life" rather than just hanging off a pod laughing, and ordering his troops to find Yoda.

The text says Yoda was outmatched. Clearly it refers to combat and not a political debate. But as Stigma pointed out, it was close enough that the outcome might have been different had the circumstances/environment changed. There's no real disparity between the two imo.

Oh I grasped your point. It's just that it amounts to nothing more than deflections on your part. You're not difficult to understand, believe me.


You're sounding mighty angry there, DP. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/841309534.gif

Got some kind of enlightening quote for Sidious considering a "stalemate" to be a victory? Because from where I'm sitting, this...

"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."

..sounds like a victory to me. Yeno, because when one guy loses it generally means his opponent has won. That the text also mentions twice that Yoda barely escaped with his life but made no point of it to mention Sidious' life as being in danger also indicates that Yoda was on the losing end.

Not that this is anything new; I've provided the quotes and repeated them several times now. Your only argument is that Yoda somehow retains equal standing because Sidious didn't go as far as to stick a lightsaber in him. You'll find that there are more ways than the most obvious to portray a victory in a fight, as difficult as that might be to grasp for you, but with some time and effort I'm sure you'll get there.

Now, I encourage you take up the good book of Sheev wankery like the rest of us before you and the little green goblin get left behind in an exhausted heap of defeat. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2788772255.gif



I didn't say his life was "never" in danger (come now DP, I know you can at least read). But after the climax of the fight, after Yoda canonically "lost" and began "fleeing", his life was in danger of being taken by Sidious. Sidious' evidently wasn't, as he wasn't the one running away or on the losing end.

That he sent his clones to polish the little goblin off only indicates he's a man who believes in efficiency, and it's not exactly the job of the victor to go around chasing those who are already admitting defeat and running away. There's also the point that he needed to go and recover Anakin, as he was concurrently being turned into a plate of nachos on Mustafar.


You take questioning your approach to debating fictional characters to be a personal insult? Sounds pretty flimsy to me, DP.




The definition of "outmatch":

be superior to (an opponent or rival).

The definition of "lose":

fail to win (a game or contest).

And there's this:

"Though Yoda is a tough combatant" "the battle proves too much for Yoda."

Yoda lost, to a superior opponent, and fled, because the battle was too much for him. You either need to be mentally deficient, overly prideful in your debating of fiction with strangers, or a massive Yoda wanker to try and assert that the fight was anything other than a Sheev victory.

"Didn't see that in the film though."

If that isn't your way of saying "well I mainly care about the film" then it's an absolutely pointless statement to make. If you do acknowledge the sourcebook then your argument has lost it's last leg to stand on if it ever had one.



I'm pretty, like Tempest, the reality here is just that I just find you highly amusing to debate because of how thinly you try to conceal your overwhelming anger and inadequacy.

By all means, come and go as you please. But if you're really going to put out this toddler-tier attempt at an argument and then proceed to call me slow without provocation, then yeah, expect yourself to be humiliated. It's how debating works.



Well, yeah, you are.

And I'm not, because the insults you sent my way are a valid means for provocation. This really isn't difficult and I expect more from you.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The text says Yoda was outmatched. Clearly it refers to combat and not a political debate. But as Stigma pointed out, it was close enough that the outcome might have been different had the circumstances/environment changed. There's no real disparity between the two imo. I don't think the disparity is huge either, but if anything, the environment favoured Yoda over Sidious, and the sourcebooks seem pretty intent on shoving it down our throats that Sidious was the stronger party by merit of his own ability opposed to the location factoring in.

Whoa, I just saw where DP dropped my name for no reason. Quit stalking me.

Originally posted by Stigma
Que?

Oh I think I said the exact same thing to him like 2 days ago. Either your consciousness picked it up and that's why you said the same thing, or we are on to something here.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The text says Yoda was outmatched. Clearly it refers to combat and not a political debate. But as Stigma pointed out, it was close enough that the outcome might have been different had the circumstances/environment changed. There's no real disparity between the two imo.



Now, let's all get along and be friends.

Originally posted by Sinious
Oh I think I said the exact same thing to him like 2 days ago. Either your consciousness picked it up and that's why you said the same thing, or we are on to something here.
Nah. It's just the proper way of reffering to ILS, really.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Whoa, I just saw where DP dropped my name for no reason. Quit stalking me.


I couldn't help myself.

Originally posted by ILS
You're sounding mighty angry there, DP.


Nah that was you. Remember this "YOU'RE BEING RETARDED AND A HYPOCRITE". LMAO

You're obviously still have Nightmares about me.

Originally posted by ILS
Got some kind of enlightening quote for Sidious considering a "stalemate" to be a victory?

You going to point me out to the part of the fight where Sidious was clearly superior yet? You need to stop obsessing over Quotes, and stick to the actual fight given in the film. Quotes are supposed to compliment the films, and not outright replace them.

The only part where you could argue Yoda lost was when he fell further than Sidious. But that had nothing to do with Sidious's force powers, and had more to do with Yoda's position.

And it's not like Sidious took made any attempt to attack Yoda again at that point.


Originally posted by ILS
Because from where I'm sitting, this...

"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."



Again IF he lost the actual combat it was due to a situational context. Sides was in no state or position to actually do anything about that "loss" though.



Originally posted by ILS
..sounds like a victory to me.

Sidious was victorious. As I've said from the beginning. But he had no relevant advantage in direct combat abilities.



Originally posted by ILS
.Yeno, because when one guy loses it generally means his opponent has won. That the text also mentions twice that Yoda barely escaped with his life but made no point of it to mention Sidious' life as being in danger also indicates that Yoda was on the losing end.


Just because the text didn't mention Sidious's life doesn't mean Sidious didn't barely escape with his life either. The final Force showdown clearly portrays both combatants in just as much danger.



Originally posted by ILS
.Not that this is anything new; I've provided the quotes and repeated them several times now.


Yes and circumstantial quotes are all you have. You seem to keep ignoring that thing called Context.

Originally posted by ILS
Your only argument is that Yoda somehow retains equal standing because Sidious didn't go as far as to stick a lightsaber in him.


He didn't even come close to sticking a Lightsaber in him. In fact at the point where Yoda "Lost" neither of them even had a Lightsaber in hand, and Sidious made Zero attempt to pursue his attack on Yoda.


If you try actually watching the fight, instead of learning everything about the fight from Quotes, you would see that.


Originally posted by ILS
You'll find that there are more ways than the most obvious to portray a victory in a fight, as difficult as that might be to grasp for you, but with some time and effort I'm sure you'll get there.


Maybe when you decide to become more Objective, you'll see the fight for what it was - an Near Stalemate, where neither managed to kill the other. And one in which neither combatant was in any state to continue after the final Force contest.



Originally posted by ILS
Now, I encourage you take up the good book of Sheev wankery like the rest of us before you and the little green goblin get left behind in an exhausted heap of defeat.


Ah and the truth comes out! This is all down to "Sheev wankery" in your own words


Like i said try to be more Objective when it comes to Debates, otherwise if you're going to be a self confessed fanboy, then you're debates have Zero validity.



Originally posted by ILS
I didn't say his life was "never" in danger (come now DP, I know you can at least read). But after the climax of the fight, after Yoda canonically "lost" and began "fleeing", his life was in danger of being taken by Sidious. Sidious' evidently wasn't, as he wasn't the one running away or on the losing end.


Excuse me? Show me this part where Sidious was about to kill Yoda, if Yoda didn't escaped.



Originally posted by ILS
That he sent his clones to polish the little goblin off only indicates he's a man who believes in efficiency, and it's not exactly the job of the victor to go around chasing those who are already admitting defeat and running away. There's also the point that he needed to go and recover Anakin, as he was concurrently being turned into a plate of nachos on Mustafar.


What? Usually if you're running from an Opponent, the Opponent needs to at least be pursuing you, otherwise they have no reason to run? We see why he ran in the very next scene, where Sidious Orders his Troops to Hunt Yoda. Clearly Yoda couldn't just hang around there once the fight was over.

The Anakin thing came later, but nice straw man.

Oh and since you take No notice of context at all, I guess since Anakin LOST to Kenobi, he was clearly the Inferior combatant :LMAO




Originally posted by ILS
TYou take questioning your approach to debating fictional characters to be a personal insult? Sounds pretty flimsy to me, DP.


Urm, do you have memory issues? You came in here accusing me of needles insults, when you were the only one doing that. And then you called me a hypocrite

I suggest you learn the meanings of the big words you use. And I suggest you balance your attitude before barging in here shouting about a perfectly reasonable analysis of the Yoda/Sidious fight.




Originally posted by ILS
The definition of "outmatch":

be superior to (an opponent or rival).


In which part of the fight was he clearly outmatched?


Originally posted by ILS
The definition of "lose":

fail to win (a game or contest).

facepalm

I thought you were able to grasp my argument? Clearly not.

Yoda did fail. Failed to Kill the Emperor. Yet I don't remember the Emperor having any success in killing Yoda either.

And there's this:

Originally posted by ILS
"Though Yoda is a tough combatant" "the battle proves too much for Yoda."

facepalm


Again it's not like Sidious was having a field day. He was left hanging off a Senate pod, pretty useless to do anything to stop Yoda escaping.


Originally posted by ILS
Yoda lost, to a superior opponent, and fled, because the battle was too much for him. You either need to be mentally deficient,

Og and the Insults continue.

I think we know whose Angry here LMAO

Sides was not a superior combatant. In fact the words "superior combatant" are not written anywhere. And was not shown in the movie in any way, shape or form.

But clearly you have no concept of using Actual Evidence without spinning it to your own desire. Or any concept of actually addressing your opponent's arguments.

In fact it's got to a point where you're pretty much just Trolling now. Quant would be most proud of you.


Originally posted by ILS
overly prideful in your debating of fiction with strangers, or a massive Yoda wanker to try and assert that the fight was anything other than a Sheev victory.

LMAO

I think we know whose being the massive fanboy/wanker here.




Originally posted by ILS
If that isn't your way of saying "well I mainly care about the film" then it's an absolutely pointless statement to make. If you do acknowledge the sourcebook then your argument has lost it's last leg to stand on if it ever had one.

Again, for those of you having trouble with the basic concept.. A sourcebook compliments the films. It doesn't outright replace it.

And your own interpretation of the sourcebook certainly doesn't override the movie LMAO.



Originally posted by ILS
the reality here is just that I just find you highly amusing to debate because of how thinly you try to conceal your overwhelming anger and inadequacy.


Nah you're desperate to get at me because of the number of times I've called you out on your baseless arguments.

Originally posted by ILS
By all means, come and go as you please. But if you're really going to put out this toddler-tier attempt at an argument and then proceed to call me slow without provocation, then yeah, expect yourself to be humiliated. It's how debating works. Well, yeah, you are.

And I'm not, because the insults you sent my way are a valid means for provocation. This really isn't difficult and I expect more from you.


You're like completely delusional

You came in here accusing me of being Hypocrite, since then you called me retarded and hinted at me being Mentally deficient and all sorts.


And you're still accusing me of attacking you unprovoked?

You've clearly lost the plot.

Me kicking your ass consistently has obviously hurt you worse than I though.

Let's get the moral high ground stuff out of the way first, will address your.. arguments.. in the next post.
You'll find that the only one who found it necessary to hit the caps lock during this debate is you.. so yeah, I'm not seeing the anger or despair on my end.
What, you didn't already know? I don't even like Darth Maul. He's a cover; I'm secretly a massive Sidious and Kit Fisto wanker. This has been long established.
Your memory seems to be foggy.

Initially I said "if you were to take this course of action, you'd be a hypocrite". If you really are sore over that, then I'll be sure to give you my sincerest apologies and have a fresh case of anal lotion sent over for your battle wounds as soon as I can. Otherwise? It's just me questioning your approach to debating fiction.

The next (or first depending on how sensitive you are) insult to be thrown was by you, in the following post, which went as follows:

Which, slice it however you want, is a more subtle way of calling someone mentally deficient, retarded or as you said, slow.

That, by estimation, is what is called an unprovoked insult; you took it to the next level by bringing in one's mental capacity. I simply responded in kind, if a bit more bluntly. Not that fighting fire with fire is a particularly great thing of me to do but I think it should be made clear to you that not only have you sacrificed whatever moral pedestal you're trying to cling on to, but you're still proving to be the only one that's having difficulty keeping up; and that's the last I'll say of this little conflict.

DP's interpretation:
"YOU'RE BEING RETARDED AND A HYPOCRITE"



Lulz

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lulz


facepalm

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Lulz

Relevant Sequence of Events for ILS, NewGuy (and now Selenial) to try and comprehend:



Originally posted by ILS
Ultimate Star Wars confirms that Yoda was "outmatched" against Sidious.


Originally posted by Darth Thor
Didn't see that in the film though. Not in terms of the direct combat at least.


Originally posted by ILS


If your argument is that you're now going to neglect sources like this in favour of looking solely at the movie, then proceed also to stop debating any form of Star Wars media outside of just the movies, otherwise you'd be presenting yourself as a selective hypocrite.



Originally posted by Stigma
I assume it was directed at DP, you uncivilized scum.



Originally posted by ILS
Both, aside from the last sentence which is directed at DP specifically.




Originally posted by Darth Thor




Again he did lose. Because a stalemate was a loss for Yoda.

You're a bit slow at getting the point aren't you.


Yeah sure. Anyone who doesn't agree with you in a SW Debate should either stop debating or is clearly a hypocrite.

So are you going to actually show me the part of the actual combat where Yoda was "Outmatched?" Or are you just going to hide behind semantics your whole life?


Originally posted by ILS


If that sounds like a stalemate to you I suggest having your head examined at the nearest possible opportunity.
I'm enjoying the ad hominem also, mostly because of the added irony that the one dishing out the unprovoked insults himself generally presents himself as being as slow and cumbersome as the avatar his profile revolves around.


Originally posted by ILS
To argue otherwise, that Yoda is either Sidious' equal or superior, is sheer retardation on your part, to put it bluntly.



Originally posted by Darth Thor

Unprovoked Insults? Are you High? This from the guy who came barging in here calling me a Hypocrite and having the nerve to tell me to stop debating here COMPLETELY Unprovoked?


Ah yes, clearly I'm the one throwing out the Unprovoked insults.

I suggest you actually look up the term Hypocrite before you throw it out at other people.


And then we're on the current page.

So much anger. You've got the wrong Avenger, son. Should be Darth Hulk tbh.

Nah they're the angry ones. Angry at how often I put them in their places.

Your transformation from humble, affable poster to bitter, hostile would-be-conqueror is almost complete. excellent

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So much anger. You've got the wrong Avenger, son. Should be Darth Hulk tbh.
Thor > Hulk, though.



But seriously, what is debate about, really? Neither of them is above the other.

Let's stay with the status quo, namely RotS Yoda = RotS Sidious, which made the most sense tbh.

Originally posted by Stigma
Nah. It's just the proper way of reffering to ILS, really.

It does make sense.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So much anger. You've got the wrong Avenger, son. Should be Darth Hulk tbh.

Every debate he's involved in he foams at the mouth and sees red.

Originally posted by Stigma
Thor > Hulk, though.



But seriously, what is debate about, really? Neither of them is above the other.

Let's stay with the status quo, namely RotS Yoda = RotS Sidious, which made the most sense tbh. Sheev won. Bottom line. Sheev held the higher ground which is extremely important to Jedi battling with their laser swords. He also ko'd Yoda and started cackling and being moronic to even allow him back into the fight. It didn't matter as Yoda was defeated and fled in shame while Palpatine laughed at him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev won. Bottom line. Sheev held the higher ground which is extremely important to Jedi battling with their laser swords. He also ko'd Yoda and started cackling and being moronic to even allow him back into the fight. It didn't matter as Yoda was defeated and fled in shame while Palpatine laughed at him.

Palpatine wouldn't be able to end this fight after he "KO'ed" Yoda with his FL. Somehow confirmed in the other version of their fight from blu-ray as I remember. It wasn't KO at all.

Yoda also was in disadvantage in that fight, becasue Palpatine could run all the time, and wait for Yoda's mistake. It was Yoda who was forced to chase him all the time. As we all know, Palpatine tried to run at the very beginning of that fight.

Originally posted by McP
Palpatine wouldn't be able to end this fight after he "KO'ed" Yoda with his FL. Somehow confirmed in the other version of their fight from blu-ray as I remember. It wasn't KO at all.

Yoda also was in disadvantage in that fight, becasue Palpatine could run all the time, and wait for Yoda's mistake. It was Yoda who was forced to chase him all the time. As we all know, Palpatine tried to run at the very beginning of that fight. He most certainly had time to attack Yoda who was at his complete and utter mercy. He laughed instead because he's stupid.

Sheev created the space so it was Yoda's fault he allowed him to do so. Sheev is a coward but he did prevail against Yoda. Yoda knew he failed and was full of shame as he should be. He had a chance and ultimately failed.

So when Sheev runs from Yoda and makes the mistake of not killing him he's a stupid coward.

But when Khan runs from Spock, then picks up Spock while they're on a flying platform and slams him into something on top of the flying platform instead of throwing him off of the platform to his certain death, he's just amazing?

Am I missing something here?

Quan being inconsistent in his beliefs doesn't actually make sidious *not* a coward running for his life against the most powerful for the darkness had ever known. It just makes quan inconsistent.